FabSwingers.com forum: USA POLICE SHOOTING

By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago.

Vid was posted on the net.

Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser.

They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up.

Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head.

Excessive force?

This started out with plates not matching the cars description.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago.

Vid was posted on the net.

Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser.

They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up.

Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head.

Excessive force?

This started out with plates not matching the cars description.

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thats an execution miles passed excessive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range?

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By *agerMorganMan
over a year ago

Canvey Island

"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago.

Vid was posted on the net.

Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser.

They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up.

Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head.

Excessive force?

This started out with plates not matching the cars description.

That’s beyond excessive force, that’s execution and quite frankly disturbing.

Is why I’m glad our officers don’t have guns bar specialist units…

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? "

Black

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? "

I let you guess.

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By *lack4WhiteFemMan
over a year ago

Closer 2 U

No excuse for shooting dead any citizen who is not a threat to the Police's life.

And Suspects in that country should know a little better by now of consequences with police, no matter how trivial can be their last minute.

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

The officers bodycam was turned off before the fatal shot.

A passer by filmed it all though.

Good job there was a person filming it.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? "

Guess.

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

"No excuse for shooting dead any citizen who is not a threat to the Police's life.

And Suspects in that country should know a little better by now of consequences with police, no matter how trivial can be their last minute."

I agree.

How someone can get shot depending on their colour is so messed up.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

It seems another trigger happy police man and it was a black guy that got executed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The officers bodycam was turned off before the fatal shot.

A passer by filmed it all though.

Good job there was a person filming it."

That's incredibly unlucky that the bodycam was turned off.

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By *icassolifelikeMan
over a year ago

Luton

The good ‘ol US of A.

It’ll never change.

I might add that our perspective is a lot different to theirs. For them, the American masses, that’s ultimately the norm and expected. And obviously each demographic will have a completely different opinion on the matter, like everything else.

But hey, it’s America and they’ve the right to bear arms.

Those poor bears though walking about with no arms is a tad off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is because police are hypocrites pussies and bullies hiding behind bats and tasers and guns always have been no matter the country

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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

"The officers bodycam was turned off before the fatal shot.

A passer by filmed it all though.

Good job there was a person filming it."

I wonder what excuse the officer gave for bodycam being turned off

how convenient

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago.

Vid was posted on the net.

Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser.

They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up.

Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head.

Excessive force?

This started out with plates not matching the cars description.

That’s beyond excessive force, that’s execution and quite frankly disturbing.

Is why I’m glad our officers don’t have guns bar specialist units… "

Our officers have a different mindset. The way our officers generally interract with people is different to how American cops do. In fairness we the public are unlikely to be armed, the same can't be said in the US.

However...the way white police interract with black people is frightening. One story: a white murderer is talked down and arrested without police drawing weapons even after he had stabbed a policeman. A black man is stopped for expired tags, is face down and shot execution style in the back of the head...all captured on camera.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is hard to train as a police officer in the UK the background checks are extensive.

In the USA if a local police department you can be given the job because you a good ol' boy with no checks!

Even the city police you do a six week academy course that you pay for and bingo get a job!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. "

He was shot in the back of the head whilst the policeman was on top of him.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. "

Sadly, it's quite easy to judge. If a KNOWN murderer (white) who also stabs a policeman can be arrested without guns being drawn I think the police are able to conduct a traffic stop without killing the motorist execution style.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"It is hard to train as a police officer in the UK the background checks are extensive.

In the USA if a local police department you can be given the job because you a good ol' boy with no checks!

Even the city police you do a six week academy course that you pay for and bingo get a job!"

That's disappointing for an incredibly difficult job. I know I couldn't handle the potential of being shot or stabbed on a daily basis

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. "

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

He was shot in the back of the head whilst the policeman was on top of him. "

Yes.

What about all the other factors? Without access to all the information, necessary experience, and without the ivory tower luxury of remote 20/20 hindsight. It is impossible for any armchair 9 o'clock jury to make an accurate assessment.

I certainly am not in possession of all those facts. So I cannot judge one way or the other.

I can idly speculate, but there's been quite enough of that already, so I pass

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him "

From what you saw.

What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him

From what you saw.

What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?"

What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat.

If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you

But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution

You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him

From what you saw.

What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?

What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat.

If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you

But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution

You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works "

I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons.

It is entirely possible that the force was excessive. It is also possible there were a number of officer and subject factors at play which influenced the decision to pull the trigger. Factors that none of us are yet aware of.

Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why.

This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre.

Let the circus commence ...

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him

From what you saw.

What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?

What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat.

If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you

But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution

You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works

I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons.

Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why.

This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre.

Let the circus commence ..."
I think the police officer was alone and didn’t wait for back up interesting that a post further up has alluded to his colour but that said American police haven’t a very good record when it comes to them killing/murdering black men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the police officer was alone "

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him

From what you saw.

What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?

What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat.

If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you

But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution

You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works

I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons.

Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why.

This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre.

Let the circus commence ..."

I imagine it’ll be a short case. From someone that’s seen the video, a face down, bullet to the back of the head, to an unarmed person posing no threat, it’s a pretty open and closed case. But I can appreciate you wanting to know everything before making a decision, but this video is very clear cut about what happened.

Whether the office will get the sentence I think he deserves is the question. They often manage to wiggle out of it somehow

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Its going to be hard for the officer to claim that was reasonable force.

The officer didnt even attempt to give first aid afterwards and left the guy face down.

That was a kill shot. Execution style.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

He could have shot him in the knee or shoulder to disable him, if he was scared for his life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excessive force?

Possibly not.

What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence?

Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge.

From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him

From what you saw.

What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?

What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat.

If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you

But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution

You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works

I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons.

Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why.

This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre.

Let the circus commence ...

Whether the office will get the sentence I think he deserves is the question. They often manage to wiggle out of it somehow"

This is the rub.

It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen.

I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days.

Someone died. Tragic.

Needs to be fully investigated, of course.

The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless.

The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad.

That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

He could have shot him in the knee or shoulder to disable him, if he was scared for his life. "

Really?

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

He could have shot him in the knee or shoulder to disable him, if he was scared for his life. "

That’s the fucked up thing…USA cops are trained to kill when ‘their life is in danger’ hence why they near empty the mag just to ‘subdue’ a suspect.

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

There was bodycam footage apparently?? Quote from news

"(CNN)Police in Grand Rapids, Michigan, on Wednesday released several videos of an officer's encounter with Patrick Lyoya earlier this month, including two that show the fatal shot during a struggle after a traffic stop.

The department released video from a police body camera, a police unit's dashcam, cell phone and a home surveillance system as officials answered reporters' questions at a news conference about the deadly April 4 incident.

Police said before the news conference that neither the videos nor audio were edited. Some video images were redacted or blurred to ensure privacy."

I'm not saying the officer was in the right, just there is a lot video evidence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the rub.

It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen.

I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days.

Someone died. Tragic.

Needs to be fully investigated, of course.

The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless.

The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad.

That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy."

Jennie, I think to suggest that the majority or a lot of outrage at Black people being murdered by the police is being used disingenuously to further a prejudiced opinion is completely unfair. Most of the outrage at Black people being murdered by the police has always come from Black communities that have genuine and invested interests in protecting Black lives. I think the majority of groups as well that pick up this issue will be genuinely working to tackle this issue. I don’t know but I didn’t like this comment and had to say so.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

'Murica.

Where deescalation is a dirty word. And possibly too many syllables for many to understand.

I have spent a fair amount of time in the US. I will never understand it.

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By *ilianBaldCouple
over a year ago

West Fife

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

I've been in similar situations years ago. You are meant to subdue the suspect what bit of shooting him in the head would subdue. If you shoot someone in the body then there is a likely hood that eventually they will get better. With a head shot there is only one possible outcome and that's a dead guy. Even when fighting for my life I'd never go for a head shot never.

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed "

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him"

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory "

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

Cop will probably lose his job or be placed on desk duty. It’s execution style but there have been occasions where officers have drawn their weapons even without the suspect running away, reaching for a cop’s weapon or just getting out the car. I don’t think cop was displaying arrogance leading up, he was actually calm but a shot to the back of the head by any police officer will take a lot of explaining and it this case I think being on top of him he could’ve shot his legs.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

From the video I just watched now the police officer draws his weapon while on the back of the suspect, brings it towards the suspects head and pulls the trigger

Whether the trigger pull was accidental or not

Dunno why you’d draw your weapon to point it at the back of a suspects body.

There was a struggle, but it would be very hard to justify his actions. Especially in the last moments when the suspect seemed to be resisting but offering little threat

I imagine they will play this off as an accidental misfire and place the blame on bad use of a weapon, instead of murder

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

From the video I just watched now the police officer draws his weapon while on the back of the suspect, brings it towards the suspects head and pulls the trigger

Whether the trigger pull was accidental or not

Dunno why you’d draw your weapon to point it at the back of a suspects body.

There was a struggle, but it would be very hard to justify his actions. Especially in the last moments when the suspect seemed to be resisting but offering little threat

I imagine they will play this off as an accidental misfire and place the blame on bad use of a weapon, instead of murder "

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer "

Ding ding ding.

Black on Black crime.

People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.

But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help."

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

Ding ding ding.

Black on Black crime.

People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.

But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police. "

So what. Of course people are more likely to be killed by members of their own race

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Where has it been reported or shown he went for the gun? All reports and videos I've seen is of Lyoya grabbing the taser after the officer discharges it without making contact with Lyoya.

There is no mention in the statement from the police chief that Lyoya attempted to grab the officers gun.

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Where has it been reported or shown he went for the gun? All reports and videos I've seen is of Lyoya grabbing the taser after the officer discharges it without making contact with Lyoya.

There is no mention in the statement from the police chief that Lyoya attempted to grab the officers gun. "

Exactly.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer "

Bollocks to your second point.

What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

My fave comment on this situation

“ The problem here is simple. It is ego.

Traffic stop. The guy is non-compliant and outweighs you by 40lbs. Easy fix. Call in the plate. Tell him to get back in his vehicle. Call for backup. If he drives off, follow him without flashing lights or sirens. Light him up once backup arrives. Then gang up. Come on, most of these LEOs can't fight worth a shit.

These cops cannot de-escalate for fuck all. And because they take the word "no" so goddamn personally, their inflated fucking egos get people killed. A little bit of critical thinking would solve half these problems but then...they're cops. Critical thinking is not their strong suit.

Now sprinkle some crack on him.”

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer "

Suspect was not fighting the officer. He was trying to lift himself off the ground while the officer was ontop of him on his back.

Head shot to the back of the skull.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop "

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least."

Call for more police?????????????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck him.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least."

Perhaps....perhaps! There's been too many body cams accidentally turned off when people get shot so people have learnt now to get their own footage.

Perhaps they didn't think their loved one would get shot seeing as they were unarmed and posed no threat to life to the officer.

I dunno, just spit balling here.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

Bollocks to your second point.

What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty?"

I didn't mention race until Steve did

Don't fight and then try to grab a police officers weapons. It's really that simple

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

Bollocks to your second point.

What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty?

I didn't mention race until Steve did

Don't fight and then try to grab a police officers weapons. It's really that simple"

Of course it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

Ding ding ding.

Black on Black crime.

People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.

But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police.

So what. Of course people are more likely to be killed by members of their own race"
you brought it up.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least.

Call for more police?????????????????"

Yes...if the officer is struggling to arrest someone on his own either help in some way or let things play out with horrific consequences as on this occasion. Better to be arrested than shot in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him

Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory

So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered.

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

Bollocks to your second point.

What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty?

I didn't mention race until Steve did

Don't fight and then try to grab a police officers weapons. It's really that simple"

All I said was that I don’t watch videos of Black people being murdered? Lmao don’t know why you then made the point you did which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said????

Are you quite alright?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least."

Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it

Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting

As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The police in the USA say they need to carry and use guns to defend themselves because they get shot at.

The people, especially blacks, in the USA say they need to carry guns to protect themselves from the police because they shoot them for no reason.

There is a sad logic there.

Fact. On average the police shoot dead 1,000 people a year in the USA. One third of them are unarmed.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer

The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer

Ding ding ding.

Black on Black crime.

People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.

But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police.

So what. Of course people are more likely to be killed by members of their own race you brought it up."

"So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered."

No, you brought it up

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

From what I seen on the news the video shows 3 officers drawing their guns whilst the guy was close to his vehicle then a little chase guys tried to defend himself from being tasered guys been brought to the ground face down flat with the officer on his back guys tried to push with his arms from the ground and the officer shoots but why the gun and not use the taser suppose he'll say picked in error

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"From what I seen on the news the video shows 3 officers drawing their guns whilst the guy was close to his vehicle then a little chase guys tried to defend himself from being tasered guys been brought to the ground face down flat with the officer on his back guys tried to push with his arms from the ground and the officer shoots but why the gun and not use the taser suppose he'll say picked in error"

You don't use tasers point blank. If they fail, there is insufficient reaction time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago.

Vid was posted on the net.

Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser.

They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up.

Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head.

Excessive force?

This started out with plates not matching the cars description.

"
sounds reasonable force to me, the police have arrested you and your trying to get away.... if the guy just lay there and didn't resist then he wouldn't be dead.

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least.

Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it

Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting

Witness statements magically disappearing is one reason people get their phones out and record rather than help.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

You don't use tasers point blank. If they fail, there is insufficient reaction time."

You don't use a gun either as it would definitely kill at point blank when a person is faced down

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least.

Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it

Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting

No. They use it to provide another angle to what has happened. Their footage didn't 'accidentally' get turned off at the most crucial point, did it?

I'm thinking a lot of privilege is showing in this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the rub.

It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen.

I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days.

Someone died. Tragic.

Needs to be fully investigated, of course.

The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless.

The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad.

That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy.

I respect this, and respect you. The beauty of a well presented and rationally put point of view is a rarity. Thank you.

My use if the word prejudice is merely in its dictionary meaning .... ie, pre-judged. I am very deliberately neither supporting nor condemning. It was an attempt to introduce the concept of holding off on conclusions till all the facts are known. Which I know makes for a boring forum!

Your lived experience is different from mine which is different from anyone else. My lived experience will influence my interpretations as it will for us all.

Some of us will have relevant experience, which make interpretations more potentially valid than others. This will depend on training, occupation, age, geography, culture and yes, sadly, race.

I an sorry if my post caused any upset. It was not my intention, and I hope my explanation above may make be back up to a higher place in your estimations x

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least."

In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!!

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least.

In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!!"

Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the police officer was alone

An important point.

And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites.

What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help.

Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop

So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least.

Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it

Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting

Witness statements magically disappearing is one reason people get their phones out and record rather than help."

But in that moment would they think to film it because of evidence going missing.

Forensic evidence collected afterwards would show what happened surely