FabSwingers.com forum: Two-tier road tax

By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I am bewildered that the government are even giving this idea an airing. How would you ensure that only small roads are used for the lower tax without installing telematics in every car?

Although, with insurance companies pushing telematics at us that may be inevitable anyway.

More big brother...

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

I'd be buggered then, use motorways on a daily basis

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'd be buggered then, use motorways on a daily basis "

But, it could mean they would be less congested.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"I'd be buggered then, use motorways on a daily basis

But, it could mean they would be less congested."

I live a few miles away from M6, we all got promised that the M6 toll would be the answer to not sitting in traffic everyday, no one hardly uses it as too expensive. Now the hard shoulder is used for traffic and yet people are still sitting in traffic. Great idea lets move all the traffic onto A and B roads so everyone can sit on them. It just another form of taxation so that mansion tax can be avoided. Drivers already pay more than any other country as far I am aware( sure wishy will correct me), in road fund and fuel duty and also vat. I'll sit and wait on the U turn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An fairer way would be to use ANPR systems at fuel pumps. So when you fill up your license plate is scanned and you get charged tax at a rate dependent on the CO2 emmissions of your engine.

That way you'll be paying tax on the miles you do AND how polluting your car is. No need for a telemetry box in your car either.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"An fairer way would be to use ANPR systems at fuel pumps. So when you fill up your license plate is scanned and you get charged tax at a rate dependent on the CO2 emmissions of your engine.

That way you'll be paying tax on the miles you do AND how polluting your car is. No need for a telemetry box in your car either. "

That's a very good idea stand for parliament and see if you can make them see sense. They all just seem to want to club the motorist down there

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"I'd be buggered then, use motorways on a daily basis

But, it could mean they would be less congested."

I don't offen use them at peak hours so wouldn't really affect me.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

"An fairer way would be to use ANPR systems at fuel pumps. So when you fill up your license plate is scanned and you get charged tax at a rate dependent on the CO2 emmissions of your engine.

That way you'll be paying tax on the miles you do AND how polluting your car is. No need for a telemetry box in your car either. "

Totally agree and a fair system the ones that use the road most pay the higher tax.

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By *ricky_DickyMan
over a year ago

Mirfield

There is currently tech available that could be used to charge you for the roads you use they are automatic number plate readers. They are currently used to charge people entering the London congestion zones where the car is not fitted with the necessary black box. They are also used on motorway speed cameras and the average speed check cameras on the motorway road works.

I'm not sure about charging less for small roads is a good idea. I can see it causing congestion on the A an B roads because people try to reduce costs of motoring. Having said that I am of the opinion the more you use the roads the more you should pay.

The current multi tier system is based on a number of factors vehicle age is one, I have a 50 yr old series 2 Landrover at home which is exempt from road tax yet I still drive it on the roads I also have a newer Landrover Defender again the road tax I pay is based on when the vehicle was registered. With newer vehicles factors like emission levels, engine size and fuel type determine the level of tax you pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

See my post above Tricky.

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By *ricky_DickyMan
over a year ago

Mirfield

"See my post above Tricky. "

I was busy composing my post an you beat me to it. But how does cameras at filling stations determine how many miles you've done?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once again, the government and politicians get the gold mine, and the people get the shaft.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

"An fairer way would be to use ANPR systems at fuel pumps. So when you fill up your license plate is scanned and you get charged tax at a rate dependent on the CO2 emmissions of your engine.

That way you'll be paying tax on the miles you do AND how polluting your car is. No need for a telemetry box in your car either.

Totally agree and a fair system the ones that use the road most pay the higher tax.

Well how about getting rid of car tax altogther! Just tax fuel more, that way if you do more miles you pay more, if you have an ecomonical car you pay less than a 5ltr Jag. Also people who are car tax doggers couldn't get away it!

This is an easy system not requiring any technology such as numberplate readers etc...very easy to administer too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once again, the government and politicians get the gold mine, and the people get the shaft."

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

If you believe any government they levy fuel duty to encourage you to use your motors less yet they do not invest the duty gained in other forms of transport I.e. trains, bus or other source motor (electric). Funny that just tax by another name, all governments are has bad as one another and another rise on the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not scrap road tax and put a levy on fuel. Those who use more fuel will either be using the road more, or have more inefficient engines.... and these pay more. Seems fair to me.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"I am bewildered that the government are even giving this idea an airing. How would you ensure that only small roads are used for the lower tax without installing telematics in every car?

The same way they know who drives in and out of London everyday.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Why not scrap road tax and put a levy on fuel. Those who use more fuel will either be using the road more, or have more inefficient engines.... and these pay more. Seems fair to me. "

Which then puts the cost of the higher mileage back on everyone else... if you think about it.

Unless hauliers and the like can reclaim for the extra they pay on fuel........ otherwise it just puts the cost back onto the consumer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not scrap road tax and put a levy on fuel. Those who use more fuel will either be using the road more, or have more inefficient engines.... and these pay more. Seems fair to me.

Which then puts the cost of the higher mileage back on everyone else... if you think about it.

Unless hauliers and the like can reclaim for the extra they pay on fuel........ otherwise it just puts the cost back onto the consumer."

True, and a nice solution to it.

BTW. Loving your Avatar Polo

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I am bewildered that the government are even giving this idea an airing. How would you ensure that only small roads are used for the lower tax without installing telematics in every car?

The same way they know who drives in and out of London everyday."

The congestion charging system was contentiously expensive to set up. We do take it for granted now but the Americans still ignore it and refuse to pay their charge.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

Bloody hell, would make my sex life even more expensive - I've gotta go on the motorway to get to the clubs...diesel, lingerie, halvesies on hotel, club entry etc AND extra tax for gan on M6/M61...ruddy government wants to stop me having fun...

**slopes off to the what makes you cranky thread**

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's be done with it and make Boris Minister for Transport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An fairer way would be to use ANPR systems at fuel pumps. So when you fill up your license plate is scanned and you get charged tax at a rate dependent on the CO2 emmissions of your engine.

That way you'll be paying tax on the miles you do AND how polluting your car is. No need for a telemetry box in your car either.

Totally agree and a fair system the ones that use the road most pay the higher tax.

This is an easy system not requiring any technology such as numberplate readers etc...very easy to administer too."

Car tax doggers???

What wont they tax

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is the government does take a lot of money in road tax fuel tax etc.....but all that money isn't spent improving our roads , if it was we'd have the best road system in the world!

Does anyone actually believe that if we had a two tier tax system that the extra money generated would be spent on our roads ! Me I don't trust a god damn word this shower say!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything is moved by road, who do you think pays when the VAT or road taxes go up ?......Answer its the customer at the till !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as its been mentioned the real reason this two tier system is being discussed is because the government are looking to recover funds as many have chosen a car which is exempt from tax.

they underestimate how many would go for a smaller car to avoid paying road tax.

but instead of going after the public how are not responsible for the mess we are in. why not go after vodafone,starbucks,costa,ebay and many others who do not pay enough tax in the first place.

start using force to shutdown stores until these companies pay up.

it would happen in other countries so why not here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An fairer way would be to use ANPR systems at fuel pumps. So when you fill up your license plate is scanned and you get charged tax at a rate dependent on the CO2 emmissions of your engine.

That way you'll be paying tax on the miles you do AND how polluting your car is. No need for a telemetry box in your car either. "

A simple way is to get rid of the Tax Disc entirely, and then load the duty on to fuel.

The worse performing/ more gas guzzling your car is the more you pay; the same with the more miles you do.

That would either make you consider a vehicle with a much better economy, and drive manufacturers to greater efficiency;

Or to encourage people to use their vehicles less, car-share, or use alternative methods of transport

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