FabSwingers.com forum: Electric cars

By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

Is there more support now or are a lot of people still not convinced.

Are there any electric car owners out there, or people who are adamant they will never go EV

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By *agerMorganMan
over a year ago

Canvey Island

There is more support & the technology is getting there in terms of useful mileage.

But

The infrastructure is badly letting it all down, to give an example in my town of 40,000 people, there’s only 1 charger so unless you’re able to charge from home & have a wall charger, you’re forced to go either Diesel or Petrol.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Is there more support now or are a lot of people still not convinced.

Are there any electric car owners out there, or people who are adamant they will never go EV"

I'm not "convinced" by many of the arguments. But if and when they become affordable, they will get me from a to b which is all it needs to do.

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

Until the price becomes more realistic then im keeping my car as the price of something of comparable spec is ridiculous.

Plus the fact that just as we are told to go electric the price of electric is sky rocketing.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Convinced alright, just want one that can do about a 1000 miles on a charge but more importantly the prices need to come down. £28,500 for a mini, no thanks and it's not even a mini we want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The prices of the cars are coming down, the range is going up on them and if you are able to get home charger installed I'd say go for it.

I still think electric is a stepping stone to get to hydrogen power though.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"There is more support & the technology is getting there in terms of useful mileage.

But

I don’t know exactly where you live but I know that within 5 miles of southend on-sea there are roughly 35 chargers with about 5-10 of them being fast chargers. Most tescos have free podpoint chargers and a lot of Morrisons have GeniePoint. A lot of Aldi and Lidl are getting chargers. My local Lidl has one, so actually there are more than you think

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

They're not electric as such' they are battery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until the price becomes more realistic then im keeping my car as the price of something of comparable spec is ridiculous.

Plus the fact that just as we are told to go electric the price of electric is sky rocketing.

If you have a car charger installed at home you get given a cheaper electricity rate/tariff than what you have as standard now.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Convinced alright, just want one that can do about a 1000 miles on a charge but more importantly the prices need to come down. £28,500 for a mini, no thanks and it's not even a mini we want. "

Well they ain’t cheap that’s for sure, but every major manufacturer now has something in their line up. 5 years time the second hand market will be flooded.

Not sure why you need a 1000 mile range, do you drive a 1000 miles without stopping?

I think 300-350 is the sweet spot it’s the charging times that are the problem. My car on a fast charger can take enough charge to carry on in the time it takes me to get a brew and have a wee.

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

"Until the price becomes more realistic then im keeping my car as the price of something of comparable spec is ridiculous.

Plus the fact that just as we are told to go electric the price of electric is sky rocketing.

If you have a car charger installed at home you get given a cheaper electricity rate/tariff than what you have as standard now. "

Now thats got me thinking, maybe i could wire the hot tub upto a ev charger?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t even have any disposable cash to run the car we have currently, as much as we’d like/need. So we can forget about any any designs of changing it for the foreseeable future. And having seen the price of new EV’s, it’ll be some time before I’ll consider that with any seriousness. I reckon I’ll be walking and cycling everywhere first.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Until the price becomes more realistic then im keeping my car as the price of something of comparable spec is ridiculous.

Plus the fact that just as we are told to go electric the price of electric is sky rocketing.

If you have a car charger installed at home you get given a cheaper electricity rate/tariff than what you have as standard now.

Now thats got me thinking, maybe i could wire the hot tub upto a ev charger?

To be fair you have to apply for one and they normally give you a cheaper rate per KWh in off peak times midnight to 4 am problem is it’s dearer outside of those times.

But you can run your dishwasher tumble dryer and washer over night as well as charge your car to take advantage of it

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By *rightonfranceMan
over a year ago

brighton - chalais france

what you're not told is that an 80Kw car needs about 60kw or more per night to charge it if your doing the range.. Say the range is 400 miles and you use 80 kw to do that and 1kw of electricity to charge it is 30p.. so thats around £24 per charge.. Which relates to 16p per mile and you have to have it charged over night normally.. Plus where does 400 miles get you if you do travel regularly..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d get one plus a home charge point in a heart beat at the right price, but too expensive right now.

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By *entBarryUKMan
over a year ago

Ashford

Check out Aptera motors. 1,000 miles on a full battery

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"Convinced alright, just want one that can do about a 1000 miles on a charge but more importantly the prices need to come down. £28,500 for a mini, no thanks and it's not even a mini we want.

Well they ain’t cheap that’s for sure, but every major manufacturer now has something in their line up. 5 years time the second hand market will be flooded.

Not sure why you need a 1000 mile range, do you drive a 1000 miles without stopping?

I think 300-350 is the sweet spot it’s the charging times that are the problem. My car on a fast charger can take enough charge to carry on in the time it takes me to get a brew and have a wee. "

Yeah maybe pushing it with the 1000 mile range however, we do a 2000 mile round trip a few times a year and ideally don't want to be hanging around for three charges each way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there more support now or are a lot of people still not convinced.

Are there any electric car owners out there, or people who are adamant they will never go EV"

The MacE is a wicked car

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

I’m not interested in changing to electric, working from home & don’t do anywhere near as much mileage anyway. Mr has a van & we’ve weighed up the pros & cons of changing it. There are zero pros (that we can come up with anyway).

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"what you're not told is that an 80Kw car needs about 60kw or more per night to charge it if your doing the range.. Say the range is 400 miles and you use 80 kw to do that and 1kw of electricity to charge it is 30p.. so thats around £24 per charge.. Which relates to 16p per mile and you have to have it charged over night normally.. Plus where does 400 miles get you if you do travel regularly.. "

Not far enough if you drive a van!! It’s not cost effective - especially if you consider the initial outlay

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

My car has a 60kw battery and that gets me 250 miles at currently 28p per kWh so that’s 16 quid

Although if I shop at tescos and plug it in to a podpoint charger which is free that price comes down considerably.

400 miles would get me a fair way into France. Or up to Scotland or to London and back.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Convinced alright, just want one that can do about a 1000 miles on a charge but more importantly the prices need to come down. £28,500 for a mini, no thanks and it's not even a mini we want.

Well they ain’t cheap that’s for sure, but every major manufacturer now has something in their line up. 5 years time the second hand market will be flooded.

Not sure why you need a 1000 mile range, do you drive a 1000 miles without stopping?

I think 300-350 is the sweet spot it’s the charging times that are the problem. My car on a fast charger can take enough charge to carry on in the time it takes me to get a brew and have a wee.

Yeah maybe pushing it with the 1000 mile range however, we do a 2000 mile round trip a few times a year and ideally don't want to be hanging around for three charges each way. "

I bet you stop more than 3 times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here in Norway we are drowning in charging points, within the next 5 years there will be no new petrol/diesel cars built

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

My car has a 60kw battery and that gets me 250 miles at currently 28p per kWh so that’s 16 quid

Although if I shop at tescos and plug it in to a podpoint charger which is free that price comes down considerably.

400 miles would get me a fair way into France. Or up to Scotland or to London and back. "

How long does it take to charge? Do you encounter any queuing usually? Asking as these are the main issues for us other than cost. Also finding somewhere!

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

I drive an electric (or battery, if you’re being a bit pedantic) car and would never change back.

Granted they aren’t for everyone at the moment and depends on your circumstances as to whether they are for you or not.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Convinced and not convinced.

We do a lot of driving around the country and so would like one that can do say 300 miles on a single charge and that includes us having the radio on and air con/heaters.

The charging also is a problem, on our recent trip to Manchester we stopped at a service station for a drink. It had two charging points both of which were occupied when we arrived. Now I don't know how long the cars take to charge but when we left 30 minutes or so later the same two cars were in those bays. If we had wanted to charge our car that would have seen us waiting upwards of an hour to get a slot it appears.

The infrastructure needs to improve.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

Not far enough if you drive a van!! It’s not cost effective - especially if you consider the initial outlay "

Depends what sort of van, I had a mate who was a plumber and another who fixed washers both had vans and neither of them did more than 100 miles a day. Plus one of them works in London and it costs to drive into the clean air zone in a normal van. Manchester is also getting a clean air zone.

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

We had an electric Mini was told would get 220 miles from a full charge only getting 100 thinking of taking it back

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

Not far enough if you drive a van!! It’s not cost effective - especially if you consider the initial outlay

Yes, it always depends on where you live etc one size doesn’t fit all

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By *entBarryUKMan
over a year ago

Ashford

"Is there more support now or are a lot of people still not convinced.

Are there any electric car owners out there, or people who are adamant they will never go EV

The MacE is a wicked car "

Is that made by Apple?

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By *herryEatersCouple
over a year ago

East Cheshire

"Is there more support now or are a lot of people still not convinced.

Are there any electric car owners out there, or people who are adamant they will never go EV"

No where near practical enough yet and the high power battery production is very bad for the environment !

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-environmental-impact-of-electric-cars-dzz77hdds?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=paid_social&utm_campaign=FY22_Q4_Times-Earth_Articles_Traffic&utm_content=Environment-interests_Electric-cars&fbclid=IwAR1zwKEwrVg-bKI8GOyIZOr5GAEEyCDbl9BiFR-Zbpgn4AiQspA6GwJJmUk

All those electric cars sat in the sun too but only one has solar panels and they are not that impressive ? (a rare Tesla)

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully"

I'm not sure the government are the organ grinder in this matter, I think they are more likely to be the monkey and manufacturers are using it to "refresh" the entire car fleet of the world.... Sell loads of after market stuff...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

Still a stupid idea whoever it was.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

My car has a 60kw battery and that gets me 250 miles at currently 28p per kWh so that’s 16 quid

Although if I shop at tescos and plug it in to a podpoint charger which is free that price comes down considerably.

400 miles would get me a fair way into France. Or up to Scotland or to London and back. "

Out of interest, is your "range" really your range? Ie have you 400 miles out of a single full charge?

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

My car has a 60kw battery and that gets me 250 miles at currently 28p per kWh so that’s 16 quid

Although if I shop at tescos and plug it in to a podpoint charger which is free that price comes down considerably.

400 miles would get me a fair way into France. Or up to Scotland or to London and back.

How long does it take to charge? Do you encounter any queuing usually? Asking as these are the main issues for us other than cost. Also finding somewhere! "

Charging at home with a wall charger about 5 hours

Charging at Morrisons GeniePoint charger 50kw about an hour

Charging at a Tesla super charger or any of the super fast chargers about 30/40 minutes

I’ve not seen a queue at a supercharger

I do see people using the 50kw chargers but I just go to another one.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"They're not electric as such' they are battery."

I fail to see your point.

The car doesn't run on batteries, you don't add more batteries to it to make it go further. The car runs on electricity, the battery is just where that electricity is stored.

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over a year ago

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

My car has a 60kw battery and that gets me 250 miles at currently 28p per kWh so that’s 16 quid

Although if I shop at tescos and plug it in to a podpoint charger which is free that price comes down considerably.

400 miles would get me a fair way into France. Or up to Scotland or to London and back.

Out of interest, is your "range" really your range? Ie have you 400 miles out of a single full charge? "

I had a Mini Cooper that said it would do 40 mpg I never got it about 35.

Your range is a theoretical maximum my Tesla says it can do 305 on a charge but 250 is more realistic if your looking at a car that says it can do 150 then your more likely to get 100

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until the price becomes more realistic then im keeping my car as the price of something of comparable spec is ridiculous.

Plus the fact that just as we are told to go electric the price of electric is sky rocketing.

If you have a car charger installed at home you get given a cheaper electricity rate/tariff than what you have as standard now. "

I have a car charger and home plus get free charging at work. Best decision I made is going to electric. Up front costs are more than a traditional car but you make up for it in zero maintenance costs and electric cars last much longer than combustion engines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My car has a 60kw battery and that gets me 250 miles at currently 28p per kWh so that’s 16 quid

Although if I shop at tescos and plug it in to a podpoint charger which is free that price comes down considerably.

400 miles would get me a fair way into France. Or up to Scotland or to London and back.

Out of interest, is your "range" really your range? Ie have you 400 miles out of a single full charge?

I had a Mini Cooper that said it would do 40 mpg I never got it about 35.

Your range is a theoretical maximum my Tesla says it can do 305 on a charge but 250 is more realistic if your looking at a car that says it can do 150 then your more likely to get 100 "

Range is also based on how you drive, what car amenities you are using (ac, heater, radio, etc.), outside conditions like blistering heat or freezing cold. In theory the range is based on traveling on a flat road with no wind resistance going at a certain speed and using no accessories. So you will never reach the maximum range. Always take at least 10% off what ever your milage says and you will get an accurate range.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have one and it is a ballache to charge on a long journey..

Yes the supermarket have free ones, but they are so slow you do not get a usable charge even if there for a couple of hours

The challenge with motorway fast charges is that there just aren't enough, so you have to queue to wait for one... But some carparks are limited to time.

If i visit my folks there is only one public, slow charger in her town (15k people/tourist destination) so i have to take a granny cable with me to charge via a standard 3-pin socket overnight

You get more charge in warmer weather than cold, which i wasn't aware /prepared for.. On a warm day i can get to 350 mile range

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is the crack with the batteries as I have read some brands you have to rent the battery?

Also what price is a new battery if you have a fault out of warranty?

And have the manufactures said how long they will sell batteries for those cars as everyone knows how quick the market changes and if you buy a electric car now and want to keep it say 5-7 years will you be bike to get a new battery then or are they just saying no the car as new tech will be better which then doesn’t make electric that sustainable

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"... and electric cars last much longer than combustion engines. "

Where do you get that idea?

Lithium battery based electric cars haven't been around for long enough to make a comparison yet, but so far the evidence is that the battery will die before the ICE does.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

Still a stupid idea whoever it was.

Our government like many others around the planet signed up to an initiative that has vowed to cut pollution one of these forms of pollution is CO2 which comes out of cars airplanes ships and a lot of domestic boilers.

It’s basically scientifically accepted that we need to do something about this pollution.

So the government has put in place legislation to stop car makers from making and selling cars that have tail pipe emissions.

The manufacturers didn’t want to change, designing and building a new technology is very costly where as flogging things that have barely changed in the last 100 years is cheap.

The upshot is initially it will be costly to change but eventually it will be cheaper, electric cars are mechanically simpler require less maintenance and a lot less servicing. Plus they are genuinely more pleasant to be around, they are quieter and if you have ever walked through a busy town you won’t be stunk out by fumes

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I was on the original Tesla model 3 waiting list… when they were claiming it would be 35000 pounds.. then with the ev discount it would have been 30 and that was enough to tempt me….

But by the time it came out it would have been closer to 50k and out of ev discount range

For me the range isn’t an issue (300 miles is enough for most people) it’s the price…

I do like the new Toyota ev that’s coming… but even that is around 42k … the Tesla model Y I love is 55k…just can’t justify it at the moment

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"I have one and it is a ballache to charge on a long journey..

Yes the supermarket have free ones, but they are so slow you do not get a usable charge even if there for a couple of hours

The challenge with motorway fast charges is that there just aren't enough, so you have to queue to wait for one... But some carparks are limited to time.

If i visit my folks there is only one public, slow charger in her town (15k people/tourist destination) so i have to take a granny cable with me to charge via a standard 3-pin socket overnight

You get more charge in warmer weather than cold, which i wasn't aware /prepared for.. On a warm day i can get to 350 mile range"

You’ve convinced us not to bother !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and electric cars last much longer than combustion engines.

Where do you get that idea?

Lithium battery based electric cars haven't been around for long enough to make a comparison yet, but so far the evidence is that the battery will die before the ICE does."

First Tesla cars are still on the road with some of them having close to 500,000 miles. The most I’ve gotten out of an ICE is 182,000 with all highway miles and keeping up with maintenance. After that it was all downhill. Too many moving parts with in ICE which leads to more wear and tear and more risk for breakage in some form.

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By *imply_SensualMan
over a year ago

warrington

Again, its the prices for me, they are pricing themselves out of people's pockets. Also the range, probably ok for running around but if doing a long journey, I am not sure I could cope with the anxiety of having to plan stops and then think about whether the car will make it that stop before it runs out.

I currently have a plug-in Hybrid, so get about 30-35 miles on a charge. Great for small journeys. But, and a big but, so many factors impact on the range. Put the heater up 1c, and the range drops, add headlights, wipers etc as it gets dark and weather is rubbish, the range drops even further. I am glad I have the petrol engine as a back up.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"What is the crack with the batteries as I have read some brands you have to rent the battery?

Also what price is a new battery if you have a fault out of warranty?"

Tesla in the US quote $26,000 for a new battery.

Some manufacturers have a scheme to rent the battery. It seems to me that this is just a way to take several thousand pounds off the sales price, and get you to pay it monthly instead.

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By *entBarryUKMan
over a year ago

Ashford

I like the thought of filling my car with dinosaur juice.

Plus i can't afford an EV unless I sell my internal organs.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"I have one and it is a ballache to charge on a long journey..

Yes the supermarket have free ones, but they are so slow you do not get a usable charge even if there for a couple of hours

The challenge with motorway fast charges is that there just aren't enough, so you have to queue to wait for one... But some carparks are limited to time.

If i visit my folks there is only one public, slow charger in her town (15k people/tourist destination) so i have to take a granny cable with me to charge via a standard 3-pin socket overnight

You get more charge in warmer weather than cold, which i wasn't aware /prepared for.. On a warm day i can get to 350 mile range

You’ve convinced us not to bother !!

Depends on what sort of car, I have a Tesla and have never had to wait to charge at a supercharger (teslas own chargers)

Some supermarkets have free ones and these are slow, Morrisons and Lidl have fast ones and these can give you a decent charge in the time it takes to shop. I know this cos that’s what I do.

Tesla chargers will be opened up to other types of car soon so things will get better for anyone that doesn’t own a tesla

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The prices of the cars are coming down, the range is going up on them and if you are able to get home charger installed I'd say go for it.

I still think electric is a stepping stone to get to hydrogen power though."

Why hydrogen? It is a very inefficient use of electrical power - as in it needs more energy to produce that can be obtained using it. The only advantages it has is that its fast to refill and its light. There are some sectors where these factors are big enough to offset the energy cost to produce it - the arguments put forward by JCB for instance for heavy plant machinery. For almost everywhere else why would you choose to develop a technology that the laws of thermodynamics mean can never be efficient? There are serious technical challenges to overcome in using hydrogen that are going to require a lot of investment and risk - something that so far very very few companies seem prepared to make.

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

I'm not convinced at all about them. The mileage is dire especially if you have a long journey .For example if I wanted to visit my mother it's a 5 hour journey for me driving electric it would take at least 6 or more hours as it wouldn't do the journey on one charge. And if there was a family emergency like we had a while ago I don't want to be wasting time waiting for a car to charge when I want to be with a family.

Plus from what I've been told finding charging points that work is an issue as well .

I rent so I'm not paying to put in a charging point I can't afford to be doing that anytime I move and most landlords won't.And what about people with on street parking how are they meant to manage.

And they are too expensive and batteries too expensive to replace.When you take into account what goes into making them etc they are not more environmentally friendly especially when scrapping the batteries.

So all in all no I'm nowhere near convinced they are a better option at all.

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

The new Dacia Sandero bi-fuel has a 50 ltr petrol tank and a 40 ltr LPG tank. Combined that will get you almost 900 miles. LPG currently 72p per ltr.

Just saying.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"... and electric cars last much longer than combustion engines.

Where do you get that idea?

Lithium battery based electric cars haven't been around for long enough to make a comparison yet, but so far the evidence is that the battery will die before the ICE does.

First Tesla cars are still on the road with some of them having close to 500,000 miles."

Ah, if by "last much longer" you mean "will do more mileage", then yes. For heavy users an electric car will cover way more mileage than an ICE car. For lighter users it's not so clear. The batteries will degrade over time, and so far we don't have enough data to work out whether that time is long enough or not.

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I lease my electric car and love it. I've got a home charger and most of my journeys are fairly local, so I can charge overnight 12.30 to 4am as needed. If I was going to do a long journey I'd have a break after a couple of hours anyway. I just check the zapmap app for a convenient place to stop and pull in there to take a break. Half an hour later and I'm back on the road.

McDonald's with Instavolts are my current favourite *pun intended.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

As and when the charging infrastructure is properly disability accessible. As and when the range of cars includes ones that stow a fixed frame wheelchair without having to take it to bits. As and when I wouldn't need to bankrupt myself to afford one.

Then I might trade in my adapted diesel estate car (Renault Sport Tourer).

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"I'm not convinced at all about them. The mileage is dire especially if you have a long journey .For example if I wanted to visit my mother it's a 5 hour journey for me driving electric it would take at least 6 or more hours as it wouldn't do the journey on one charge. And if there was a family emergency like we had a while ago I don't want to be wasting time waiting for a car to charge when I want to be with a family.

Plus from what I've been told finding charging points that work is an issue as well .

I rent so I'm not paying to put in a charging point I can't afford to be doing that anytime I move and most landlords won't.And what about people with on street parking how are they meant to manage.

So all in all no I'm nowhere near convinced they are a better option at all."

Your 5 hour journey, do you do that without stopping?

Charging points arnt that difficult to find, I have an app that tells me where they are if they are broke and if someone is using it.

They arnt cheap that’s true but if you knacker the engine in a petrol car it costs about the same as a replacement battery and as we know petrol and diesel cars never break.

Interestingly enough they don’t scrap the old batteries, cos like you mentioned they are worth a lot of money what they do is strap them to the side of someone’s house and plug solar panels into them.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

Still a stupid idea whoever it was.

It’s basically scientifically accepted that we need to do something about this pollution.

So the government has put in place legislation to stop car makers from making and selling cars that have tail pipe emissions.

The manufacturers didn’t want to change, designing and building a new technology is very costly where as flogging things that have barely changed in the last 100 years is cheap.

Meh, I ve heard that argument.

Across the lifetime of a vehicle ftkm raw material, manufacture, driving, etc... How much improvement will there be in terms of reducing co2 in scrapping a car that is serviceable and replacing it with a new one.... And how much of the world's co2 comes from cars, when compared to say... Industry, concrete production, air travel.... Well any other offenders.

Not suggesting cars dont have a part to play and eVehicles may be helpful for some.. But aren't we hitting consumers when the main culprits are industry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and electric cars last much longer than combustion engines.

Where do you get that idea?

Lithium battery based electric cars haven't been around for long enough to make a comparison yet, but so far the evidence is that the battery will die before the ICE does.

First Tesla cars are still on the road with some of them having close to 500,000 miles.

Newest batteries are designed to last 10 years before the degradation STARTS to become impactful. As the technology advances mileage per charge will increase along with the estimated lifespan of the battery….your turn to move the goalposts

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"What is the crack with the batteries as I have read some brands you have to rent the battery?

Also what price is a new battery if you have a fault out of warranty?

Tesla in the US quote $26,000 for a new battery.

Some manufacturers have a scheme to rent the battery. It seems to me that this is just a way to take several thousand pounds off the sales price, and get you to pay it monthly instead."

Well exactly, Companies would much rather shift you into a committed stream of repeatable revenue.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

Still a stupid idea whoever it was.

It’s basically scientifically accepted that we need to do something about this pollution.

So the government has put in place legislation to stop car makers from making and selling cars that have tail pipe emissions.

The manufacturers didn’t want to change, designing and building a new technology is very costly where as flogging things that have barely changed in the last 100 years is cheap.

Meh, I ve heard that argument.

Not suggesting cars dont have a part to play and eVehicles may be helpful for some.. But aren't we hitting consumers when the main culprits are industry? "

I never said scrap ice cars, run them till you plan to get something else, then get electric. My last car was a 14 year old Mini Cooper S I hung on to it until I could get an electric car. Some one else will have to deal with the 900 quids worth of stuff it needed to pass it’s MOT

You are right about personal transport only being a fraction of the culprit but as anyone who as lived next to a busy main road industrial concreate production isn’t what makes things smelly and it doesn’t wake you up in the early hours with a brappp brapp pop pop pop sound

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"As and when the charging infrastructure is properly disability accessible. As and when the range of cars includes ones that stow a fixed frame wheelchair without having to take it to bits. As and when I wouldn't need to bankrupt myself to afford one.

Then I might trade in my adapted diesel estate car (Renault Sport Tourer). "

This is interesting, charging infrastructure I would argue is as accessible as going to a petrol station with out all the sticky petrol and deisel

A lot of electric cars are pretty big so might fit your needs, unfortunately that also makes them not cheap.

What I would say tho is electric cars are a lot easier to drive, no gears no clutch and one pedal driving so don’t even need the foot brake a lot of the time.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

Still a stupid idea whoever it was.

It’s basically scientifically accepted that we need to do something about this pollution.

So the government has put in place legislation to stop car makers from making and selling cars that have tail pipe emissions.

The manufacturers didn’t want to change, designing and building a new technology is very costly where as flogging things that have barely changed in the last 100 years is cheap.

Meh, I ve heard that argument.

Not suggesting cars dont have a part to play and eVehicles may be helpful for some.. But aren't we hitting consumers when the main culprits are industry?

Yes it works for some people. Just don't think the carbon messages are convincing.

If the problem is too much pollution, and too many cars, I can't see how the solution is to sell more cars to people that have a carbon footprint (even if its lifetime footprint is 10 or 20 percent lower) There is very little readily available and truthful data out there on carbon footprint of the things we buy and use (see comments on range above). Sorry for taking the op a bit off piste.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"No, until they can increase the mileage on them and make the batteries more sustainable and affordable I'm out

Seems like another stupid idea the Government haven't thought through fully

Still a stupid idea whoever it was.

It’s basically scientifically accepted that we need to do something about this pollution.

So the government has put in place legislation to stop car makers from making and selling cars that have tail pipe emissions.

The manufacturers didn’t want to change, designing and building a new technology is very costly where as flogging things that have barely changed in the last 100 years is cheap.

Meh, I ve heard that argument.

Not suggesting cars dont have a part to play and eVehicles may be helpful for some.. But aren't we hitting consumers when the main culprits are industry?

Yes it works for some people. Just don't think the carbon messages are convincing.

Conspicuous consumption is wrong, mend and make do or find alternatives. I saw an article on replacing polystyrene packaging with of all things mushroom roots. That’s amazing.

But most people have a car or access to one and if you have ever been in a closed space when an engine is running you must know that what comes out of it isn’t good.

For me they need to sort busses out, I cycle in town and it’s dreadful being near a bus

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Then I might trade in my adapted diesel estate car (Renault Sport Tourer).

This is interesting, charging infrastructure I would argue is as accessible as going to a petrol station with out all the sticky petrol and deisel

A lot of electric cars are pretty big so might fit your needs, unfortunately that also makes them not cheap.

What I would say tho is electric cars are a lot easier to drive, no gears no clutch and one pedal driving so don’t even need the foot brake a lot of the time. "

The charging infrastructure is definitely not disability accessible. I can use an app to summon assistance at the diesel pump at a limited selection of fuel stations (I did it this morning) but there's no app to summon assistance to use an electric charging post. There's more often than not no staff responsible for them at all. Many petrol caps can be pinged open by pressing a button inside the car, it's not fiddly to insert a petrol pump into the tank (if you can lift it) but it IS much more fiddly to connect an electric plug.

Most charging points are touch screen. The screens are based on raised concrete platforms with the no wheelchair access. They are up kerbs with no dropped area. They are too high for a seated person to touch the screen. They are in the open air so your wheelchair becomes saturated with rainwater and you have to sit in that soaking wet chair for the rest of the day.

There is currently not one single 100% EV I have found with the same boot capacity as my Renault. Not only the capacity, but the shape, the width to accommodate my chair etc.

Why should I have to pay tens of thousands of pounds more than a non disabled person?

I'm quite happy with my adapted clutch, I'm not that desperate for automatic. Most of my disabled friends need FAR more complex adaptation than gears/clutch - things like hand operated acceleration, adapted steering columns etc. It's irrelevant what the transmission is, mostly. It's easy to adapt manuals, actually. Can these EVs be easily adapted for the hand acceleration, the steering column changes? I don't know.

It's an awful lot more complicated than you think.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

Then I might trade in my adapted diesel estate car (Renault Sport Tourer).

This is interesting, charging infrastructure I would argue is as accessible as going to a petrol station with out all the sticky petrol and deisel

A lot of electric cars are pretty big so might fit your needs, unfortunately that also makes them not cheap.

What I would say tho is electric cars are a lot easier to drive, no gears no clutch and one pedal driving so don’t even need the foot brake a lot of the time.

There is currently not one single 100% EV I have found with the same boot capacity as my Renault. Not only the capacity, but the shape, the width to accommodate my chair etc.

Why should I have to pay tens of thousands of pounds more than a non disabled person?

It's an awful lot more complicated than you think. "

You do make some very good points and I didn’t mean to be dismissive in my comments

MG make an estate car that’s a fair size and quite cheap for an electric car.

As for converting, I don’t know but the accelerator isn’t mechanical it’s just a variable switch so could easily be column mounted. The steering is just the same as any other car.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Then I might trade in my adapted diesel estate car (Renault Sport Tourer).

This is interesting, charging infrastructure I would argue is as accessible as going to a petrol station with out all the sticky petrol and deisel

A lot of electric cars are pretty big so might fit your needs, unfortunately that also makes them not cheap.

What I would say tho is electric cars are a lot easier to drive, no gears no clutch and one pedal driving so don’t even need the foot brake a lot of the time.

There is currently not one single 100% EV I have found with the same boot capacity as my Renault. Not only the capacity, but the shape, the width to accommodate my chair etc.

Why should I have to pay tens of thousands of pounds more than a non disabled person?

It's an awful lot more complicated than you think.

You do make some very good points and I didn’t mean to be dismissive in my comments

MG make an estate car that’s a fair size and quite cheap for an electric car.

As for converting, I don’t know but the accelerator isn’t mechanical it’s just a variable switch so could easily be column mounted. The steering is just the same as any other car. "

Thank you re: the MG5-EV, which launched only a few weeks ago, is that right? So, one whole EV car that might (subject to the dimensions, roof height, sill height etc) be suitable.

That still leaves me sitting in the rain at Keele Services* in the peeing down rain, trying to use a touchscreen charging point that I can't reach. I'll get trench-bottom! Yes, I could ask a kindly random member of the public to take pity, but that's not what should be happening in the 21st century.

*Random example, picked out of thin air!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Everyone should try using the self service tills at Tesco in a wheelchair - gives you an idea of the issue with touchscreen charging points (minus the rain and issues with the ground). It's nigh on impossible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have one and it is a ballache to charge on a long journey..

Yes the supermarket have free ones, but they are so slow you do not get a usable charge even if there for a couple of hours

The challenge with motorway fast charges is that there just aren't enough, so you have to queue to wait for one... But some carparks are limited to time.

If i visit my folks there is only one public, slow charger in her town (15k people/tourist destination) so i have to take a granny cable with me to charge via a standard 3-pin socket overnight

You get more charge in warmer weather than cold, which i wasn't aware /prepared for.. On a warm day i can get to 350 mile range

You’ve convinced us not to bother !!

Depends on what sort of car, I have a Tesla and have never had to wait to charge at a supercharger (teslas own chargers)

Some supermarkets have free ones and these are slow, Morrisons and Lidl have fast ones and these can give you a decent charge in the time it takes to shop. I know this cos that’s what I do.

Tesla chargers will be opened up to other types of car soon so things will get better for anyone that doesn’t own a tesla"

Yes tesla are definitely ahead of the curve.. Mine is a skoda/vw

I have lots of fast chargers in supermarkets where i live and they take around 1-1.5 hours to charge .. But none in the places where relatives live

so i have to plan very carefully where /when to recharge.. I had to recharge at my bros house on xmas day to get home on boxing day.. As it was cold my range was limited

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

Then I might trade in my adapted diesel estate car (Renault Sport Tourer).

This is interesting, charging infrastructure I would argue is as accessible as going to a petrol station with out all the sticky petrol and deisel

A lot of electric cars are pretty big so might fit your needs, unfortunately that also makes them not cheap.

What I would say tho is electric cars are a lot easier to drive, no gears no clutch and one pedal driving so don’t even need the foot brake a lot of the time.

There is currently not one single 100% EV I have found with the same boot capacity as my Renault. Not only the capacity, but the shape, the width to accommodate my chair etc.

Why should I have to pay tens of thousands of pounds more than a non disabled person?

It's an awful lot more complicated than you think.

You do make some very good points and I didn’t mean to be dismissive in my comments

MG make an estate car that’s a fair size and quite cheap for an electric car.

As for converting, I don’t know but the accelerator isn’t mechanical it’s just a variable switch so could easily be column mounted. The steering is just the same as any other car.

Thank you re: the MG5-EV, which launched only a few weeks ago, is that right? So, one whole EV car that might (subject to the dimensions, roof height, sill height etc) be suitable.

*Random example, picked out of thin air! "

Well if you can charge at home then you might not actually have to charge at a public charger for 95% of your charging. That’s little help if you can’t I know, I’m not saying you should change but actually there might be benifits you hadn’t considered then again it might not work at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The prices of the cars are coming down, the range is going up on them and if you are able to get home charger installed I'd say go for it.

I still think electric is a stepping stone to get to hydrogen power though.

Mr"

I think it depends on the market segment.. There are several bridging technologies and of course there will be multiple strategies to achieve the end result... But in the larger segments hydrogen is certainly one of the solutions that will be delivered

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"I have one and it is a ballache to charge on a long journey..

Yes the supermarket have free ones, but they are so slow you do not get a usable charge even if there for a couple of hours

The challenge with motorway fast charges is that there just aren't enough, so you have to queue to wait for one... But some carparks are limited to time.

If i visit my folks there is only one public, slow charger in her town (15k people/tourist destination) so i have to take a granny cable with me to charge via a standard 3-pin socket overnight

You get more charge in warmer weather than cold, which i wasn't aware /prepared for.. On a warm day i can get to 350 mile range

You’ve convinced us not to bother !!

Depends on what sort of car, I have a Tesla and have never had to wait to charge at a supercharger (teslas own chargers)

Some supermarkets have free ones and these are slow, Morrisons and Lidl have fast ones and these can give you a decent charge in the time it takes to shop. I know this cos that’s what I do.

Tesla chargers will be opened up to other types of car soon so things will get better for anyone that doesn’t own a tesla

Yes tesla are definitely ahead of the curve.. Mine is a skoda/vw

I have lots of fast chargers in supermarkets where i live and they take around 1-1.5 hours to charge .. But none in the places where relatives live

so i have to plan very carefully where /when to recharge.. I had to recharge at my bros house on xmas day to get home on boxing day.. As it was cold my range was limited

I’m lucky I live in Manchester so there are plenty of places, all my family live within half a charge round trip to me. I have done London and wales a couple of times and it’s pretty easy with the supercharger network. I’m in Cornwall during the summer that will be interesting

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"The prices of the cars are coming down, the range is going up on them and if you are able to get home charger installed I'd say go for it.

I still think electric is a stepping stone to get to hydrogen power though.

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it could work for boats and trains and possibly lorries. Not great for cars tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As and when the charging infrastructure is properly disability accessible.

The charging infrastructure is definitely not disability accessible"

I completely agree with this - even as an able bodied person it is a huge challenge in the dark, rain, wind and unfamiliar locations wrestling heavy cables and trying to locate nozzles... And then pratting about trying to get the charging set up.. Especially when its pouring down

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Newest batteries are designed to last 10 years before the degradation STARTS to become impactful. As the technology advances mileage per charge will increase along with the estimated lifespan of the battery….your turn to move the goalposts

You misunderstand me. I'd love to believe that the batteries would last 10 years. I just have experience of lithium technologies, and I doubt that it's possible. If I'm proved wrong, I'll be a happy man.

I'd love to have an electric car. Cleaner, quieter, less maintenance, lower running costs, and better acceleration. The reason I don't have one is mostly on cost. I also fairly regularly do a 400m journey, which I do in one go. I don't want to have to add an hour of sitting around waiting in the middle of that journey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The prices of the cars are coming down, the range is going up on them and if you are able to get home charger installed I'd say go for it.

I still think electric is a stepping stone to get to hydrogen power though.

it could work for boats and trains and possibly lorries. Not great for cars tho "

Yes, think big

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"As and when the charging infrastructure is properly disability accessible.

The charging infrastructure is definitely not disability accessible

Yeah being able to charge at home is definitely a winner for this situation.

But I totally agree chargers should have rain protection like petrol stations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have one and it is a ballache to charge on a long journey..

Yes the supermarket have free ones, but they are so slow you do not get a usable charge even if there for a couple of hours

The challenge with motorway fast charges is that there just aren't enough, so you have to queue to wait for one... But some carparks are limited to time.

If i visit my folks there is only one public, slow charger in her town (15k people/tourist destination) so i have to take a granny cable with me to charge via a standard 3-pin socket overnight

You get more charge in warmer weather than cold, which i wasn't aware /prepared for.. On a warm day i can get to 350 mile range

You’ve convinced us not to bother !!

If you are doing lots of local journeys and have charging pod at home, or live close to fast chargers, then they are great.. But if you travel any distance regularly its a little more inconvenient

(I don't disagree with others points ef price, mine is a company car, so not something i had to contemplate)

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

And when I go to my away wheelchair basketball matches over a weekend? Do I have to take a carer with me to charge while I'm hundreds of miles away? I don't actually have a carer, because I don't need one. It's crazy expensive to install charging points at home, even with Govt subsidy and there's still the fiddly problem of how my mate J, with upper limb deficit, attaches his EV at home? At the conventional fuel station, he summons a person to do it for him via an app. It took me all of about 5 minutes to three-quarters fill my diesel vehicle this morning, and I didn't leave the driver's seat once.

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

Plus from what I've been told finding charging points that work is an issue as well .

I rent so I'm not paying to put in a charging point I can't afford to be doing that anytime I move and most landlords won't.And what about people with on street parking how are they meant to manage.

So all in all no I'm nowhere near convinced they are a better option at all.

Your 5 hour journey, do you do that without stopping?

Charging points arnt that difficult to find, I have an app that tells me where they are if they are broke and if someone is using it.

They arnt cheap that’s true but if you knacker the engine in a petrol car it costs about the same as a replacement battery and as we know petrol and diesel cars never break.

I have done the journey without stopping like the night we were told a family member collasped and was likely not to survive.the night. Other times if I stop it's for a quick 15 minute break halfway.

If I blew an engine in a car I'd replace it for a lot cheaper than a electric car anyhow.

Where I live I actually don't know of any charging points in any of the local towns and like I said I rent so I'm not paying to install one in any place I rent.

Anyhow it is pointless as there is no way I could afford an electric car anyhow they are way outside my price range so until they become more affordable and better mileage I'll stick to petrol or diesel cars.

Interesting fact about the batteries after they are no longer used in cars. But I can't see it being a solution full time after a while .

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

Plus from what I've been told finding charging points that work is an issue as well .

I rent so I'm not paying to put in a charging point I can't afford to be doing that anytime I move and most landlords won't.And what about people with on street parking how are they meant to manage.

So all in all no I'm nowhere near convinced they are a better option at all.

Your 5 hour journey, do you do that without stopping?

Charging points arnt that difficult to find, I have an app that tells me where they are if they are broke and if someone is using it.

They arnt cheap that’s true but if you knacker the engine in a petrol car it costs about the same as a replacement battery and as we know petrol and diesel cars never break.

I have done the journey without stopping like the night we were told a family member collasped and was likely not to survive.the night. Other times if I stop it's for a quick 15 minute break halfway.

If I blew an engine in a car I'd replace it for a lot cheaper than a electric car anyhow.

Where I live I actually don't know of any charging points in any of the local towns and like I said I rent so I'm not paying to install one in any place I rent.

Interesting fact about the batteries after they are no longer used in cars. But I can't see it being a solution full time after a while ."

It’s not quite there for everyone definitely but it is for more people than realise, for me price was the biggest factor then once I had decided I picked one that could handle most of the driving I normally do. I don’t think there is a situation that would require me to drive urgently 200 miles plus in one go. Although I did sometimes drive back from the south coast without stopping admittedly that was a journey that I would do well above the speed limit so arguably I shouldn’t have.

It’s likely that there will be more chargers around your local area than your aware of. But like you say if you haven’t got the money you haven’t got the money.

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over a year ago

"Until the price becomes more realistic then im keeping my car as the price of something of comparable spec is ridiculous.

Plus the fact that just as we are told to go electric the price of electric is sky rocketing.

If you have a car charger installed at home you get given a cheaper electricity rate/tariff than what you have as standard now.

Now thats got me thinking, maybe i could wire the hot tub upto a ev charger?

Ha ha ha good luck

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly "

I think teslas are 7th and 8th best selling cars in the uk this year so by 2030 there I’ll be at least 14000 8 year old teslas on the second hand market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly "

It’s not that I need to get my head around around it.

It’s a financial issue for me, plain and simple. They’re prohibitively expensive, and without a massive drop in price, I’ll never afford to have one.

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

I think teslas are 7th and 8th best selling cars in the uk this year so by 2030 there I’ll be at least 14000 8 year old teslas on the second hand market"

And petrol and diesel cars will still be in use for 20 years or more

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By *ooBulMan
over a year ago

Missin’ Yo’ Kissin’

I saw a program a couple of nights ago about electric cars & charging points. Think it was on the one show.... But I could be wrong. Don't electrocute me (LOL)!!!

They said that all electric charging plugs differ according to make & model & manufacturer. So why not a Universal plug? Cost differs also. Should that not be universal too?

From what I've seen I can't afford to buy an electric car. How much does an electric 2nd hand car cost? A 2nd hand petrol car with a low tax emission seems to be far more attractive to me (meaning me, not for everyone necessarily).....

An electric car still has to have an MOT. Breaks; suspension; steering; windscreens & wipers surely are still going to be scrutinised by an MOT station? What's the cost of parts like? Is it more than petrol/cars? Less?

Another point that was highlighted a charging stations was the lighting & CCTV at these points. One lady commented that she had to charge near a dark alley with poor lighting. If I was a female I would want to feel safe. Will places provide security for all women wishing to charge cars? Who will provide it Councils/retail superstores?

In Nottingham public bus transport is owned by a French company I think as well as trams. Should we be nationalising these private companies (ie. buying back), making the service brilliant, reliable, free or cheaper for the public? Looking at electric versions (bus wise.)

How serious are political parties about this? It seems just a tick box exercise to me so that they can say they are doing something about/for the environment!

At the moment I'd have to be like a "Dragons Den" person and say "sorry, I'm not investing my time in this & I'm out!"

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

I think teslas are 7th and 8th best selling cars in the uk this year so by 2030 there I’ll be at least 14000 8 year old teslas on the second hand market

And petrol and diesel cars will still be in use for 20 years or more"

They will but by the time 2030 comes around who’s going to be buying petrol cars

Already the amount of electric cars being sold each year is increasing. Also how many 20 year old cars do you see on the road now. Just watch out for how many 51 plate cars you normally see

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

It's new technology and very expensive probably okay for the new market but sec hand market not sure

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By *heekyfromhertsMan
over a year ago

Letchworth

Well i think everyone agrees that we need a massive injection of both money and charging points. How would residents in a tower block or a terraced house be able to charge one from home?

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

So what happens to a 7 year old electric car with a battery at say 50% capacity??

Really not convinced by them.

If more people start buying them the government will add an extra tax to electricity you use to charge you car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They will but by the time 2030 comes around who’s going to be buying petrol cars"

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly "

Well, they'd better come up with better ways to facilitate EVs then, otherwise huge parts of the community will be cut off from private transport. Don't tell me I can use public transport because I can't even get onto the train platform at any railway station within six miles of my house and even if I go to a major mainline station, I am at the mercy of the person who has been tasked with getting the ramp out. Sometimes, they just can't be arsed, or the booking wasn't phoned through, or they're too busy. Heaven forbid you should want to travel today, now?!

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By *agan_PairCouple
over a year ago

portchester

Not convinced at all, the technology is not there yet for mass market take up. The batteries are my biggest concern you are getting at best an 8 year 70% cover from the dealers, which is great on a new car, but for the next owner down the line that’s not so great. And replacement is going to cost a lot at the moment. I think that’s going to cripple resale prices. I think battery tech is a stop gap, it’ll be the beta max of the car world.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"So what happens to a 7 year old electric car with a battery at say 50% capacity??

Really not convinced by them.

If more people start buying them the government will add an extra tax to electricity you use to charge you car"

Same thing that happens to a 7 year old Ford Fiesta that’s got a blowing cylinder head and a horrid oil leak. Or the Vauxhall vectra that has faulty swirl valves. You look at it say nah mate this is fucked and go and buy a 7 year old Tesla which has lost 10% battery. Everyone goes on about the batteries. Bloody petrol and Diesel engines have hundreds of parts that can fuck up and cost you thousands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your over 55 buy petrol.

In 2030 you will be 63

You will get a cheaper petrol car that :

1.Will cost you less now.

2.Save thousands of pounds now.

3. In 2032 you can buy a 2 year old car at high spec bargain price.

4.you may have given up driving for public transport.

If you in your 40s or less go electric.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Not convinced at all, the technology is not there yet for mass market take up. The batteries are my biggest concern you are getting at best an 8 year 70% cover from the dealers, which is great on a new car, but for the next owner down the line that’s not so great. And replacement is going to cost a lot at the moment. I think that’s going to cripple resale prices. I think battery tech is a stop gap, it’ll be the beta max of the car world. "

Isn't an 8 year warranty the gold standard in the automotive world?

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"If your over 55 buy petrol.

In 2030 you will be 63

You will get a cheaper petrol car that :

1.Will cost you less now.

2.Save thousands of pounds now.

3. In 2032 you can buy a 2 year old car at high spec bargain price.

4.you may have given up driving for public transport.

If you in your 40s or less go electric. "

It will just gradually make more and more sense to go electric, tax will be higher you will be prohibited from driving in different places and there will be less and less petrol cars around plus petrol stations will start to shut down as there is less need, it will be the opposite of what it is today there will be charging points everywhere there is a parking spot, because why wouldn’t car parks want to make a bit more money

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Reading your post, I assume you have a petrol or diesel car now? In 2030, if you need to change your existing car, you will either buy a second hand petrol or diesel car, or if you want a new one, it will need to be electric.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

Isn't an 8 year warranty the gold standard in the automotive world?

Who knows what the future is like, but currently if you buy a brand new Tesla you can sell it and actually make money on it.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

I think teslas are 7th and 8th best selling cars in the uk this year so by 2030 there I’ll be at least 14000 8 year old teslas on the second hand market

And petrol and diesel cars will still be in use for 20 years or more"

True but the government will tax car fuel so high they’ll force you to buy an electric vehicle.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

I think teslas are 7th and 8th best selling cars in the uk this year so by 2030 there I’ll be at least 14000 8 year old teslas on the second hand market

And petrol and diesel cars will still be in use for 20 years or more

True but the government will tax car fuel so high they’ll force you to buy an electric vehicle. "

Yeah electric is happening it’s just a fact, but it needn't be a horrible future

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

I'm well aware, thank you, but as things stand, the infrastructure is completely inaccessible to me and to many thousands of people like me, so the "powers that be" are going to have to start coming up with solutions.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

Do you have to plan every single journey to the minutae of telling Northern rail exactly which train you're getting and if you miss it (because someone can't be arsed getting a ramp out), you no longer actually qualify for assistance because it's only booked on that specific service?

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Isn't an 8 year warranty the gold standard in the automotive world?

Who knows what the future is like, but currently if you buy a brand new Tesla you can sell it and actually make money on it. "

The original post was saying that the battery is only covered for 8 years, I think that is pretty good, hence the gold standard.

I'm all for the change, sooner the better and this is just the first step on the journey. I think charging will not be always needed and reading here seems to be the biggest hurdle.

I have read the future could be more towards battery replacement rather than charging. Drive onto a pad, the battery will be removed from your car and replaced with a fully charged battery in seconds.

Could be a long way off, but the boffins are on it.

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

To be fair this sounds like a general problem of services not being disabled accessible and public EV is just another example of this.

It’s a few years away and probably won’t come to be of use to you but eventually cars will be charged by induction in the same way phones are. You will rock up at the supermarket or wherever and there will be a induction coil in the parking spot. You will come back to the car to a full battery

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By *oly Fuck Sticks BatmanCouple
over a year ago

here & there

We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it. "

Part of blame is on the users.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

To be fair this sounds like a general problem of services not being disabled accessible and public EV is just another example of this.

Is that xanadu when black and white people get along in perfect harmony as well..?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

The infrastructure is changing to be more accessible for people with disabilities. It hasn't happened in line with the roll out of existing charging points but is now being prioritised, is what I have read. Apps on phones and charging points that lower and rise in height are now starting to be introduced.

It wont be perfected yet I guess, but it must be for 2030

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

Part of blame is on the users. "

How is the blame on the user for a non-functional charger?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

To be fair this sounds like a general problem of services not being disabled accessible and public EV is just another example of this.

But to fuel my conventional fuel vehicle, I drive my adapted charabanc to a branch of Shell, Sainsbury's, Morrisons or Texaco. Not Tesco, they don't participate. I park (under cover) at a pump. I turn off the engine. I pick up my phone and open the FuelService app. A few clicks later, an attendant comes to my driver's door and I ask for £50 of diesel. The attendant fills up my car with diesel, while I answer work emails or contemplate the meaning of life. A few short minutes later, I hand over a sheaf of notes (pre drawn out the day before, because I have to plan) OR I give my contactless card to the attendant and hope they don't skim it.

I drive off, mere minutes after arriving and get to work on time, dry and calm.

The current corresponding EV experience would be a disaster, frankly. How many public EV charging stations have staff who come to help? Are under cover? Etc.

So, all this needs ironing out before clobbering people with needing to go electric.

The issues with public transport are separate, but related, because how does one travel, if not by private or public transport, when one cannot ride a bike?

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

To be fair this sounds like a general problem of services not being disabled accessible and public EV is just another example of this.

Is that xanadu when black and white people get along in perfect harmony as well..? "

You say that like black and white people don’t already get along in perfect harmony.

Maybe you should have chosen a better example

Nothing like a little bit of casual racism for a Friday afternoon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

Part of blame is on the users.

How is the blame on the user for a non-functional charger? "

I have an electric vehicle. If I’m going anywhere that I’ve not been before and have no idea the charging situation at my destination I’m either not going or finding another mode of transportation. There is a multitude of apps available that will show you how many chargers are in a specific location and if they are in use or out of service. I dont just blindly go on a trip without doing a little bit of research knowing the charging risks.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

Part of blame is on the users. "

Which users? How do you mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

Part of blame is on the users.

Which users? How do you mean?"

See my previous response.

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By *oly Fuck Sticks BatmanCouple
over a year ago

here & there

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

Part of blame is on the users.

How is the blame on the user for a non-functional charger? "

Van range is 65-110 miles depending on conditions, drivers have an app that maps their route via chargers to optimise performance.

Said chargers were out of service, now they are to far away to chance a safe return to the depot so are directed to the next closet charge point.

These were also out of service. Driver is now stuck & needs recovery.

Fail to see how that’s driver error!

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By *aptainhornpipe OP Man
over a year ago

manchester

"Every new car from 2030 will be electric so you need to get your head around the idea very quickly

Diesel.

You can't have a situation where disabled people can neither independently use a private vehicle nor public transport.

I conversed with a few restaurants/hostelries yesterday and had to ask friends to cancel a booking and go elsewhere because people like me can't get in and there's no toilets I could access.

Welcome to disability life. 2030 will need to include we incapacitated ones

To be fair this sounds like a general problem of services not being disabled accessible and public EV is just another example of this.

I drive off, mere minutes after arriving and get to work on time, dry and calm.

The current corresponding EV experience would be a disaster, frankly. How many public EV charging stations have staff who come to help? Are under cover? Etc.

So, all this needs ironing out before clobbering people with needing to go electric.

The issues with public transport are separate, but related, because how does one travel, if not by private or public transport, when one cannot ride a bike? "

To be fair that could easily be a service that you get at charging stations especially some of these new charging forecourt things that are springing up. I follow some of the charging companies on twitter I’ll ask about it.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"We’ve had 15 vehicles recovered this week as they were sent out of area… you guessed it no working chargers anywhere near site.

It’s utterly ridiculous pushing the electric mantra without the infrastructure in place to support it.

Part of blame is on the users.

Which users? How do you mean?

See my previous response. "

And if there's zero infrastructure for a particular type of user, what then? Is it the fault of the person for having the audacity to be unable to reach or manipulate a heavy cable? For example...