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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Anyone else refusing to pay anymore, after this JS pedo stuff, I don't think they can be trusted with Tax payers money.....

Which brings me to the government... must be enough members of the Forces on here so we could start a coup...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Christ I've heard of some quacky reasons for trying to defraud people out of money but that takes the proverbial cracker!

The T.V licence is to receive signals / programmes.

It is not to identify and report pedophiles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christ I've heard of some quacky reasons for trying to defraud people out of money but that takes the proverbial cracker!

The T.V licence is to receive signals / programmes.

It is not to identify and report pedophiles.

"

Personally, I think the BBC has lost it's mandate for providing state-funded impartial news and as such it should no longer be funded by the taxpayer. Let it sink or swim on it's own and good riddance to it as far as I'm concerned.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I was premature the other day in announcing I'd seen it all on here. A wise man said there would be opportunities for others to astound me...he wasn't kidding!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Christ I've heard of some quacky reasons for trying to defraud people out of money but that takes the proverbial cracker!

The T.V licence is to receive signals / programmes.

It is not to identify and report pedophiles.

Personally, I think the BBC has lost it's mandate for providing state-funded impartial news and as such it should no longer be funded by the taxpayer. Let it sink or swim on it's own and good riddance to it as far as I'm concerned."

I agree but I prefer my own quackery cos it's worth the licence money to NOT have bloody ads.

Come to think of it Wishy ....they've got quite a few of the own 'ads' ..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I was premature the other day in announcing I'd seen it all on here. A wise man said there would be opportunities for others to astound me...he wasn't kidding! "

Okay. I'll stop tit typing sos ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I will not be paying as I beleive that the abuse carried out by JS was know about and kept secret by those who have benefited from License Fees. If the BBC cannot be trusted with such basic duties of care....

I don't think thats particulary mad.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I will not be paying as I beleive that the abuse carried out by JS was know about and kept secret by those who have benefited from License Fees. If the BBC cannot be trusted with such basic duties of care....

I don't think thats particulary mad.

"

It's illogical.

So you won't be turning your t.v on then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will not be paying as I beleive that the abuse carried out by JS was know about and kept secret by those who have benefited from License Fees. If the BBC cannot be trusted with such basic duties of care....

I don't think thats particulary mad.

"

Whilst I respect your right to protest I feel you should realise that the Savile case and your legal requirement to pay a licence fee are not related to each other. You may feel that you'd love a day in court to put your points across but you'll be going up against the might of the government and that's a battle you can ill afford to lose. Not to mention being tossed in jail for refusing to pay the taxman his dues.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I will not be paying as I beleive that the abuse carried out by JS was know about and kept secret by those who have benefited from License Fees. If the BBC cannot be trusted with such basic duties of care....

I don't think thats particulary mad.

Whilst I respect your right to protest I feel you should realise that the Savile case and your legal requirement to pay a licence fee are not related to each other. You may feel that you'd love a day in court to put your points across but you'll be going up against the might of the government and that's a battle you can ill afford to lose. Not to mention being tossed in jail for refusing to pay the taxman his dues."

Besides if he doesn't pay his licence....How the Fugg are we going to fund getting rid of all the other pedo's ......... like Tinky Winky n Po ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

LOL go to court.....

You should read up on the methods used by the TV licensing people. Not very effective and really only succeed in intimidating vunerable people into paying. The vans are only sent to low income areas where there are records of numerous people without licenses.

Glad that you are so concerned for my well being....

Perhaps we are different in how we choose to spend our money, I have never stepped foot in a Starbucks, I do not use Tescos.... It used to be called Voting with your feet.....

I also run my own business and do so ethically and with good morals behind them.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Sorry Lord M but nothing you say ( and lots of it is good sentiment ) is good reason for witholding your licence fee.

By all means don't pay but then you mustn't watch.

NOT watching is voting with your feet. So ...... time to get rid of your t.v now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I will do as I have always done... I will do as I wish....

I rarely watch the TV, too much Trashy shows, censored and politically motivated news stories to brainwash the sheep...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I will do as I have always done... I will do as I wish....

I rarely watch the TV, too much Trashy shows, censored and politically motivated news stories to brainwash the sheep...

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especially those sheep that are in denial ..... those are the worst kind of sheep.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Baa baa baa.

Got that??"

That's a noise that sheep make isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You should know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ooooo a scrap on the forums this early! Granny watch ur blood pressure, don't want these men making ur blood boil this early on a Saturday! Be happy people

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"You should know."

Well I do watch t.v. and I have heard sheep so .... yes you are right. I DO know..... Thank GOD for the B.B.C.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Ooooo a scrap on the forums this early! Granny watch ur blood pressure, don't want these men making ur blood boil this early on a Saturday! Be happy people "

I never scrap deary :P

I am being my polite self.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ooooo a scrap on the forums this early! Granny watch ur blood pressure, don't want these men making ur blood boil this early on a Saturday! Be happy people

I never scrap deary :P

I am being my polite self. "

Damn where is the like button when u need it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if you threw your TV's away you need to pay the licence fee. It now covers ownership of anything that can possibly receive a TV signal so that means PC's, Mac's, laptop's, smartphones etc. Basically you'd need to live in a cave to avoid paying it.

Refusing to pay because of JS is noble, but flawed. Personally I'm sick of the BBC's left wing agenda but still pay it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair I think the TV license should be an opt out thing now we have so many channels we should be able to opt out of the bbc and there for not have to pay for the license fee x

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Anyone else refusing to pay anymore, after this JS pedo stuff, I don't think they can be trusted with Tax payers money.....

Which brings me to the government... must be enough members of the Forces on here so we could start a coup..."

In spite of what is said of the BBC, it is the finest broadcasting company in the world. I begrudge not a single penny of my fee. Any company which pissed off every government (notice how both Labour and Tories complain of its bias) is doing something right.

And it is not under pressure from advertisers affecting the quality and content of programmes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, for something which occurred 30 - 50 years ago, you are now going to withhold your licence fee ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The uk... The only place you can get locked up for not paying a tv station..

The tv licence was ok 20 years ago but not now as we pay sky, virgin and so on plus free _iew

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"The uk... The only place you can get locked up for not paying a tv station..

The tv licence was ok 20 years ago but not now as we pay sky, virgin and so on plus free _iew "

I don't pay for those. Crap telly. I like the quality of the BBC. Get rid of it and you're in danger of getting the shit they have in the US. Ever watched it there? I don't mean just US shows here but watching in America. The adverts go on longer than the actual segments of programmes. Dire. I could not watch it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The uk... The only place you can get locked up for not paying a tv station..

The tv licence was ok 20 years ago but not now as we pay sky, virgin and so on plus free _iew

I don't pay for those. Crap telly. I like the quality of the BBC. Get rid of it and you're in danger of getting the shit they have in the US. Ever watched it there? I don't mean just US shows here but watching in America. The adverts go on longer than the actual segments of programmes. Dire. I could not watch it."

I hate the tv in the states for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I avoid it wherever possible.

Someone mentioned opting out, that won't work either, have you any idea how many stations rely on shows made either in part or fully by the BBC? For starters Dave would be only showing Man vs Food!...lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wwhy cant they use advertising like all the other channels now with all the sky + boxes and things can fast forward the adverts why do they need to rely on license fees to pay for the shows etc x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And without the technical developments that the bbc develops and invests in ...... tv on demand, free_iew, freesat, hdtv, and so on just wouldn't happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"LOL go to court.....

You should read up on the methods used by the TV licensing people. Not very effective and really only succeed in intimidating vunerable people into paying. The vans are only sent to low income areas where there are records of numerous people without licenses.

Glad that you are so concerned for my well being....

Perhaps we are different in how we choose to spend our money, I have never stepped foot in a Starbucks, I do not use Tescos.... It used to be called Voting with your feet.....

I also run my own business and do so ethically and with good morals behind them."

You may see more detector vans in low income areas but there is a reason for that. Rich people have more to lose by flouting the law and frankly they don't need the headache for a measly £100+ a year that the licence fee costs. Some poorer people on tight budgets _iew the licence fee as something to be paid when they can pay it but it's not on the top of their list of priorities.

It is impossible to fight the system as the system has it loaded in it's favour and whilst one can attempt to protest by not paying it all one will be doing is gaining a criminal record - for the sake of a £100. It's not worth it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But Surely ……if everyone in a country adopted an attitude whereby they won’t pay for public services that employ people who’s personal behaviour fall below acceptable standards, that country would pretty much grind to a halt………

Unless of course that country is called lala land… !

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The uk... The only place you can get locked up for not paying a tv station..

The tv licence was ok 20 years ago but not now as we pay sky, virgin and so on plus free _iew

I don't pay for those. Crap telly. I like the quality of the BBC. Get rid of it and you're in danger of getting the shit they have in the US. Ever watched it there? I don't mean just US shows here but watching in America. The adverts go on longer than the actual segments of programmes. Dire. I could not watch it."

It really has influenced how programmes start everywhere though. The American start segment, then a long ad followed by the opening credits followed by another long ad drives me mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But Surely ……if everyone in a country ...

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The problem is... everyone won't.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Both Labour and Tories claim the BBC is biased towards them.

Which can only mean one thing they are impartial, paranoid parties and supporters?

One thing I do hate is the huge salaries given to the non talented presenters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Even if you threw your TV's away you need to pay the licence fee. It now covers ownership of anything that can possibly receive a TV signal so that means PC's, Mac's, laptop's, smartphones etc. Basically you'd need to live in a cave to avoid paying it."

That doesn't actually seem to be the case anymore. The wording on the license site and on their letters has changed.

The license fee is only payable if you watch tv at the time it is broadcast.

If you have a TV but only use it for watching DVDs, or you download all the TV you watch, you don't seem to need a license.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

licence*

Blasted 'phone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard the BBC are dropping Bob the Builder because they can't trust anyone who claims to be able to fix it for kids.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"But Surely ……if everyone in a country adopted an attitude whereby they won’t pay for public services that employ people who’s personal behaviour fall below acceptable standards, that country would pretty much grind to a halt………

Unless of course that country is called lala land… !

"

I think you'll find the inhabitants of Cloud Cuckoo Land share a similar _iew!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another one busts to dust.

Oh dear, we have not been too supportive again to a newbie obviously!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Even if you threw your TV's away you need to pay the licence fee. It now covers ownership of anything that can possibly receive a TV signal so that means PC's, Mac's, laptop's, smartphones etc. Basically you'd need to live in a cave to avoid paying it.

That doesn't actually seem to be the case anymore. The wording on the license site and on their letters has changed.

The license fee is only payable if you watch tv at the time it is broadcast.

If you have a TV but only use it for watching DVDs, or you download all the TV you watch, you don't seem to need a license."

Yep, thats what I've been told. iPlayer, DVDs and suchlike are fine without a licence. Its a bugger to prove to them though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But Surely ……if everyone in a country adopted an attitude whereby they won’t pay for public services that employ people who’s personal behaviour fall below acceptable standards, that country would pretty much grind to a halt………

Unless of course that country is called lala land… !

I think you'll find the inhabitants of Cloud Cuckoo Land share a similar _iew! "

Yes I’m sure your right,,,,,

It just seems such an ill conceived protest for people to refuse paying towards the running costs of an entire public service just because of the criminal activity of a few individuals in its employment,,,,,,,

Its that sort of inappropriate retribution which would end up financially damaging the public service leaving it unable to function efficiently which would ultimately hurt everyone who enjoys using it instead focusing rightful punishment solely on the behaviour of the real criminals….!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Even if you threw your TV's away you need to pay the licence fee. It now covers ownership of anything that can possibly receive a TV signal so that means PC's, Mac's, laptop's, smartphones etc. Basically you'd need to live in a cave to avoid paying it.

That doesn't actually seem to be the case anymore. The wording on the license site and on their letters has changed.

The license fee is only payable if you watch tv at the time it is broadcast.

If you have a TV but only use it for watching DVDs, or you download all the TV you watch, you don't seem to need a license.

Yep, thats what I've been told. iPlayer, DVDs and suchlike are fine without a licence. Its a bugger to prove to them though! "

It's not up to you to prove it. If you tell them you don't watch TV as it is being broadcast, it's up to them to prove otherwise.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Of course you can always pay the rip off fees of $---- per month to sky etc for shit repeats and as much time watching ads as the programme you tuned in to see at 2 pound and a few pennies per week I know which one I would call value for money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tv license should be abolished, it's outdated, we are one of a few countries that still charge it.

Id rather watch a few adverts that spend 100+ on tv licence for a channel I only watch one programme on.

Plus, without written permission from your tv licensing cannot come on your property (this includes path leading from your gate to house), they have to catch you watching bbc to fine you

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i'll stop paying when someone can tell me what the JS scandal has to do with for example.. the bbc natural history dept, or science,or the sport, or the international dept, or the radio network.. 2,3,4,5,.. or their digital output.... or their local output

see... easy to slag off the bbc... but remember the money goes to the entire BBC.. not just the bits that are decided to be uber-popular....

remember the remit is there for the BBC to be a public service provider..... and I think they do that job well....

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"remember the remit is there for the BBC to be a public service provider..... and I think they do that job well.... "

But it's full of lefties and media types! Surely we know how to produce TV better than them!

/sarcasm

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

you do not need a tv license. They do not have detector vans or equipment that can detect a signal in your home. They have a data base, when you buy a tv or get sky the retailer and sky inform the database. You will receive letters that are threatening, in itself an offence, threatening a fine of £1000 this is also an offence.If they do call, highly unlikely, they do not have right of access to your home, you do not have to let them in. They will ask your name, you are not obliged to give them your name.They will ask you questions, you are not obliged to answer any of their questions. Legally this is a matter of contract. Do you have a contact with the BBC ? No , no one does. Any questions feel free to ask.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Personally i am more than happy to pay the licence fee, the range it provides across all media is by and large streets ahead of the 'competition'..

it has a proven track record of exposing wrong doing, human rights abuse etc etc over many decades..

to use what has emerged about the vile exploits of one named individual as the basis for a point of _iew as stated is totally illogical..

bit like shooting all the birds in ones vicinity cos one crapped on the washing ffs..

hey ho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Even if you threw your TV's away you need to pay the licence fee. It now covers ownership of anything that can possibly receive a TV signal so that means PC's, Mac's, laptop's, smartphones etc. Basically you'd need to live in a cave to avoid paying it.

That doesn't actually seem to be the case anymore. The wording on the license site and on their letters has changed.

The license fee is only payable if you watch tv at the time it is broadcast.

If you have a TV but only use it for watching DVDs, or you download all the TV you watch, you don't seem to need a license.

Yep, thats what I've been told. iPlayer, DVDs and suchlike are fine without a licence. Its a bugger to prove to them though!

It's not up to you to prove it. If you tell them you don't watch TV as it is being broadcast, it's up to them to prove otherwise."

From what I was told. If you have a TV (or laptop/pc) and it is capable of receiving a signal then you need a licence. It doesn't matter if you don't watch TV on it, you have the capacity to do so and it must be licensed. So simply using it to watch DVDs isn't an excuse, unless you have removed the receiver from your TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Even if you threw your TV's away you need to pay the licence fee. It now covers ownership of anything that can possibly receive a TV signal so that means PC's, Mac's, laptop's, smartphones etc. Basically you'd need to live in a cave to avoid paying it.

That doesn't actually seem to be the case anymore. The wording on the license site and on their letters has changed.

The license fee is only payable if you watch tv at the time it is broadcast.

If you have a TV but only use it for watching DVDs, or you download all the TV you watch, you don't seem to need a license.

Yep, thats what I've been told. iPlayer, DVDs and suchlike are fine without a licence. Its a bugger to prove to them though!

It's not up to you to prove it. If you tell them you don't watch TV as it is being broadcast, it's up to them to prove otherwise.

From what I was told. If you have a TV (or laptop/pc) and it is capable of receiving a signal then you need a licence. It doesn't matter if you don't watch TV on it, you have the capacity to do so and it must be licensed. So simply using it to watch DVDs isn't an excuse, unless you have removed the receiver from your TV.

"

That used to be the case. It isn't now. Take a look at the tv licensing web site.

If you only download TV you do not need a licence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think all this furore about Jimmy Saville and the BBC is a bit much. By all means have an enquiry to improve due process and reporting but it has been sensationalised by the press and the public grilling of the BBC Director George Entwistle that descended almost into farce / humiliation was over the top too.

Because the Police did not root out this evil man despite preying on young people for over thirty years are you going to stop paying your taxes to keep the police going?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christ I've heard of some quacky reasons for trying to defraud people out of money but that takes the proverbial cracker!

The T.V licence is to receive signals / programmes.

It is not to identify and report pedophiles.

Personally, I think the BBC has lost it's mandate for providing state-funded impartial news and as such it should no longer be funded by the taxpayer. Let it sink or swim on it's own and good riddance to it as far as I'm concerned."

A predictable comment from the exponent of New Right free market capitalism. But does he also think that those somewhat more well-known exponents of free market capitalism, News International ,should be banned from selling their newspapers (such as the ones he reads) in _iew of their shocking behaviour regarding Milly Dowler? If not, I would suggest that like most of his ilk he is guilty of double standards

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By *toneblueMan
over a year ago

Southampton


"The uk... The only place you can get locked up for not paying a tv station..

The tv licence was ok 20 years ago but not now as we pay sky, virgin and so on plus free _iew

I don't pay for those. Crap telly. I like the quality of the BBC. Get rid of it and you're in danger of getting the shit they have in the US. Ever watched it there? I don't mean just US shows here but watching in America. The adverts go on longer than the actual segments of programmes. Dire. I could not watch it."

Yes I had exactly the same experience, I found it utterly unwatchable due to the commercial breaks and Fox News just turned my stomach. I am very grateful however, as I was there so long I got out of the habit of watching TV and I don't think I'll ever regain it. British TV seems to be getting ever closer to US TV in content (or lack thereof) - BBC4 excepted. If it ever got to be as good as it was when we only had 3 or 4 channels I might reconsider, but that isn't likely to happen. I am perfectly happy to pick and choose what I watch from DVD or online content and rarely watch broadcasts at all.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay. "

Well go you!

IMO if you use the service, you should pay for it.

The fact you don't have a contract is irrelevant as TV licensing is covered by law. You don't have a contract with your local council but you have to pay council tax.

You obviously think you're doing something clever though.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay.

Well go you!

IMO if you use the service, you should pay for it.

The fact you don't have a contract is irrelevant as TV licensing is covered by law. You don't have a contract with your local council but you have to pay council tax.

You obviously think you're doing something clever though."
Actually there is also a case for council tax. However i am not breaking the law. Which law am i breaking ? besides the matter would be a civil one and not a criminal one.Im also 49, im not hiding and i'll happily answer the door if the license peeps ever show up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay.

Well go you!

IMO if you use the service, you should pay for it.

The fact you don't have a contract is irrelevant as TV licensing is covered by law. You don't have a contract with your local council but you have to pay council tax.

You obviously think you're doing something clever though. Actually there is also a case for council tax. However i am not breaking the law. Which law am i breaking ? besides the matter would be a civil one and not a criminal one.Im also 49, im not hiding and i'll happily answer the door if the license peeps ever show up. "

If you’re a 49 yers old British citizen who was educated in this country you have undoubtedly benefited from the many educational services the BBC provides.

However anyone choosing not to contribute toward the cost of providing similar privilege for present and future generations is in my humble opinion presenting an unimpressive and disappointing attitude...

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over a year ago


"i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay.

Well go you!

IMO if you use the service, you should pay for it.

The fact you don't have a contract is irrelevant as TV licensing is covered by law. You don't have a contract with your local council but you have to pay council tax.

You obviously think you're doing something clever though.

However i am not breaking the law. Which law am i breaking ?"

You are kidding me?

Section 363  of the Communications Act 2003 makes it an offence to install or use a television receiver to watch or record any television programmes as they’re being shown on television without a TV Licence.

Section 365  of that Act requires that a person to whom a TV Licence is issued must pay a fee to the BBC. The nature and quantity of this fee is set out in the Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (as amended).

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay.

Well go you!

IMO if you use the service, you should pay for it.

The fact you don't have a contract is irrelevant as TV licensing is covered by law. You don't have a contract with your local council but you have to pay council tax.

You obviously think you're doing something clever though. Actually there is also a case for council tax. However i am not breaking the law. Which law am i breaking ? besides the matter would be a civil one and not a criminal one.Im also 49, im not hiding and i'll happily answer the door if the license peeps ever show up.

If you’re a 49 yers old British citizen who was educated in this country you have undoubtedly benefited from the many educational services the BBC provides.

However anyone choosing not to contribute toward the cost of providing similar privilege for present and future generations is in my humble opinion presenting an unimpressive and disappointing attitude... "
i think you posted earlier saying something about the license and police doing their job. license revenue does not go to the police. The bbc has had nothing to do with my education so i have no idea what your point is ? please people pay your license fees unecessarily if you want to. i am a freeman and my conscience is clear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By the way, it IS a criminal offence to watch TV without a licence, not a civil matter.

You can get a criminal record for it. More than 140 people did last year.

You seem very poorly informed.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"By the way, it IS a criminal offence to watch TV without a licence, not a civil matter.

You can get a criminal record for it. More than 140 people did last year.

You seem very poorly informed."
They should appeal, but seeing as they dont have a basic understanding of law or contact law i dont hold out much hope for them. Can you tell me which law i am breaking ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By the way, it IS a criminal offence to watch TV without a licence, not a civil matter.

You can get a criminal record for it. More than 140 people did last year.

You seem very poorly informed. They should appeal, but seeing as they dont have a basic understanding of law or contact law i dont hold out much hope for them. Can you tell me which law i am breaking ? "

I already did, in a post above.

It's nothing to do with contract law. It's UK legislation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i dont pay my license fee, i never have. ive lived at the same address for 14 years. They send me threatening letters, which is unlawful. I dont pay because the bbc is nothing more than the media arm of the govt and i do not have a contract with the BBC which requires me to pay.

Well go you!

IMO if you use the service, you should pay for it.

The fact you don't have a contract is irrelevant as TV licensing is covered by law. You don't have a contract with your local council but you have to pay council tax.

You obviously think you're doing something clever though. Actually there is also a case for council tax. However i am not breaking the law. Which law am i breaking ? besides the matter would be a civil one and not a criminal one.Im also 49, im not hiding and i'll happily answer the door if the license peeps ever show up.

If you’re a 49 yers old British citizen who was educated in this country you have undoubtedly benefited from the many educational services the BBC provides.

However anyone choosing not to contribute toward the cost of providing similar privilege for present and future generations is in my humble opinion presenting an unimpressive and disappointing attitude... i think you posted earlier saying something about the license and police doing their job. license revenue does not go to the police. The bbc has had nothing to do with my education so i have no idea what your point is ? please people pay your license fees unecessarily if you want to. i am a freeman and my conscience is clear "

Would you like to qualify where you’ve seen me post anything about the police being funded by TV licensing fees….. Because I haven’t got a clue what you on about with that,,,!!!

I’d also suggest you re-examine the validity of your statement declaiming you have ever benefited educationally from BBC service….

However I do believe your conscience is clear ….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm astounded that anyone could think this is a contract matter covered by civil law

It's not April is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"However I do believe your conscience is clear ….

"

Unfortunately, should the licensing authority catch up with him, neither a clear conscience nor ignorance are good defences in court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mods, are posts in which people openly brag about breaking the law not against the forum rules?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

any boycott of the BBC, would you be as kind as to wait till after Strictly finishes this run... am really enjoying it

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"By the way, it IS a criminal offence to watch TV without a licence, not a civil matter.

You can get a criminal record for it. More than 140 people did last year.

You seem very poorly informed. They should appeal, but seeing as they dont have a basic understanding of law or contact law i dont hold out much hope for them. Can you tell me which law i am breaking ?

I already did, in a post above.

It's nothing to do with contract law. It's UK legislation."
The uk is governed by common law and the law of the land. legislative rules aka acts and statutes by their own legal definition are not law. For something to be a criminal act there has to be a victim. Tv licensing has no legal or lawfull authority over me. I am not obliged to answer any of their questions nor am i obliged to give them access to my home.And they have no authority to gain access by force. I suggest if you are intersted you look into this matter, try starting with Tpuc.org. And try not to be to bitter about me not paying just cos you feel you have to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"However I do believe your conscience is clear ….

Unfortunately, should the licensing authority catch up with him, neither a clear conscience nor ignorance are good defences in court.

"

I totally agree...... however,,,, I'm starting to suspect my chains are being playfully yanked,,,,

So I'm gonna leave this to those who get off on that sort of thing .... cuz I'd hate to get myself in a position where my mind was swayed and become a convert to the selfish attitude of the non payer brigade , because then I'd be wrong too.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus if you dont pay it will get taken to court and it will affect your credit rating too just a thought x

A few years a go when I was struggling I paid essential bills ie gas electric and water and did not pay licence non essential and believe me they do track you down and you do have to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No bitterness here. I don't pay for a TV licence because I don't need one. If I did, I would, because those are the terms of the service.

Cliff you're either a troll or woefully ill-informed.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"any boycott of the BBC, would you be as kind as to wait till after Strictly finishes this run... am really enjoying it"

Do you know, reading all the comments my first thought was no license fee no Strictly...I didn't realise my depths had such shallows!

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"any boycott of the BBC, would you be as kind as to wait till after Strictly finishes this run... am really enjoying it

Do you know, reading all the comments my first thought was no license fee no Strictly...I didn't realise my depths had such shallows! "

I love being shallow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone else refusing to pay anymore, after this JS pedo stuff, I don't think they can be trusted with Tax payers money.....

Which brings me to the government... must be enough members of the Forces on here so we could start a coup..."

Not surprised he's fu#ked off, I've read the thread and everyone got lost in the TV licence rant......yep not getting one is a grand I think , me I was more bothered that in his last paragraph he was on about starting a coup lol, now thats jail time !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually don't watch anything on the BBC and if you read FAQ on the tv licence website you can own a TV and not pay.

If you watch DVDs, play video games, use a monitor, watch youtube and even catch up stuff like 4OD etc you dont have to pay.

Paying is for live transmission of a program so if you watched the NEWS as its being broadcast on tv, you have to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I actually don't watch anything on the BBC and if you read FAQ on the tv licence website you can own a TV and not pay.

If you watch DVDs, play video games, use a monitor, watch youtube and even catch up stuff like 4OD etc you dont have to pay.

Paying is for live transmission of a program so if you watched the NEWS as its being broadcast on tv, you have to pay."

Correct. Or if you record it as it is being broadcast.

I said that above somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry, didn't want to read the whole thing as people were arguing.

I don't feel i missing out anyway, can read the news online, can download all the tv stuff i watch, 100s of DVDs, xbox and most the stuff on live is usually all this reality tv crap.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"No bitterness here. I don't pay for a TV licence because I don't need one. If I did, I would, because those are the terms of the service.

Cliff you're either a troll or woefully ill-informed."

Can I suggest you watch this little clip and then investigate the claims made in it to see if my arguament has any merit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyM89iwMhR8&feature=related

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thanks for the video. I still live with the parents and even trying to convince my Dad not pay won't work but I'm moving out next year so I will not give the BBC a penny.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"thanks for the video. I still live with the parents and even trying to convince my Dad not pay won't work but I'm moving out next year so I will not give the BBC a penny."

My pleasure m8. Make sure you understand your rights properly though.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

wow call me either dumb or a troll and i put some hard facts up for you to look into and silence. WTF !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a tax on the poor. Id rather hav the money to pay for and watch sky sports. No other country has to pay tax just to own a tv. Ridiculous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to say Cliff that if you are using that film as 'Hard evidence' then you are clearly far too easily led and influenced. It is clearly intended as anti BBC propaganda and presented as such. The presenter clearly has a grudge against paying for the BBC and as he already claims to have a youtube radio show it's easy to see why.

Firstly, The TV license covers the receiving equipment, which is not necessarily a telly. So if you own a laptop or computer that is not capable of receiving the live tv signal it's fine.

If you have a free_iew box but no tv, then you are still liable as it is for the receiving equipment.

Secondly, the film is correct about one thing. You don't have to speak to these people from TV licensing as you are not under caution. However, if there is suspicion that you have receiving equipment at your address then they can pursue you through the criminal courts as you are breaking the TV Licensing act and you could end up with a criminal conviction. The whole contract thing is just pants, lord knows where he has got that from. The BBC is a corporation yes, but we/the government are its only shareholders, it makes no profit as such. The arm of the BBC that sells dvd's of shows does make profit which goes straight back into what we watch. That is why they are registered as a company. They are still state owned and are protected by the TV Licensing act.

Thirdly, He states that you can't possibly be fined after they have threatened you with one. Quoting some old law from the 1600's. As if lawyers haven't had time to find a way round that already!! And bugger me if they have, the wording is "you MAY be fined up to £1000" which is not a threat. The word MAY means that you MAY well not be fined up to £1000.

Fourthly, I don't see why people have a downer on paying a yearly fee for what is a great public service broadcaster. Should the license fee be abolished and the BBC collapse then our TV will be entirely at the mercy of commercial interests just as it is in the US. There it is the sole driving force behind any decision to make a TV programme or keep one on the air. Advertisers pay for the programmes and should any programme not be _iewed by enough people, therefore not enough people watching the ads, then it is dropped. As a consequence there is little incentive to try any new ideas or take any risks. I mean, have you watched ITV lately? Imagine that, all channels, all day. All programmes become the same populist rubbish for the lowest common denominator. Do you really want all our TV to come from News International, or Richard Desmond?

While you and others who refuse to pay the license fee may think you are getting one over on the man, you are actually hurting the people who would hate to see the death of one of the best things still left in this country. Any news service that has managed to piss off consecutive governments by NOT running puff pieces for them has got to be a good thing.

So stop being a cock there's a good chap and pay your fucking license.

Just because something is on youtube doesn't make it gospel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?"

Nicely said Jodie, on both threads

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

dont agree with anything bout bbc but sooner pay licence than have a fine lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to say Cliff that if you are using that film as 'Hard evidence' then you are clearly far too easily led and influenced. It is clearly intended as anti BBC propaganda and presented as such. The presenter clearly has a grudge against paying for the BBC and as he already claims to have a youtube radio show it's easy to see why.

Firstly, The TV license covers the receiving equipment, which is not necessarily a telly. So if you own a laptop or computer that is not capable of receiving the live tv signal it's fine.

If you have a free_iew box but no tv, then you are still liable as it is for the receiving equipment.

Secondly, the film is correct about one thing. You don't have to speak to these people from TV licensing as you are not under caution. However, if there is suspicion that you have receiving equipment at your address then they can pursue you through the criminal courts as you are breaking the TV Licensing act and you could end up with a criminal conviction. The whole contract thing is just pants, lord knows where he has got that from. The BBC is a corporation yes, but we/the government are its only shareholders, it makes no profit as such. The arm of the BBC that sells dvd's of shows does make profit which goes straight back into what we watch. That is why they are registered as a company. They are still state owned and are protected by the TV Licensing act.

Thirdly, He states that you can't possibly be fined after they have threatened you with one. Quoting some old law from the 1600's. As if lawyers haven't had time to find a way round that already!! And bugger me if they have, the wording is "you MAY be fined up to £1000" which is not a threat. The word MAY means that you MAY well not be fined up to £1000.

Fourthly, I don't see why people have a downer on paying a yearly fee for what is a great public service broadcaster. Should the license fee be abolished and the BBC collapse then our TV will be entirely at the mercy of commercial interests just as it is in the US. There it is the sole driving force behind any decision to make a TV programme or keep one on the air. Advertisers pay for the programmes and should any programme not be _iewed by enough people, therefore not enough people watching the ads, then it is dropped. As a consequence there is little incentive to try any new ideas or take any risks. I mean, have you watched ITV lately? Imagine that, all channels, all day. All programmes become the same populist rubbish for the lowest common denominator. Do you really want all our TV to come from News International, or Richard Desmond?

While you and others who refuse to pay the license fee may think you are getting one over on the man, you are actually hurting the people who would hate to see the death of one of the best things still left in this country. Any news service that has managed to piss off consecutive governments by NOT running puff pieces for them has got to be a good thing.

So stop being a cock there's a good chap and pay your fucking license.

Just because something is on youtube doesn't make it gospel.

"

Bravo, brilliant post.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"I have to say Cliff that if you are using that film as 'Hard evidence' then you are clearly far too easily led and influenced. It is clearly intended as anti BBC propaganda and presented as such. The presenter clearly has a grudge against paying for the BBC and as he already claims to have a youtube radio show it's easy to see why.

Firstly, The TV license covers the receiving equipment, which is not necessarily a telly. So if you own a laptop or computer that is not capable of receiving the live tv signal it's fine.

If you have a free_iew box but no tv, then you are still liable as it is for the receiving equipment.

Secondly, the film is correct about one thing. You don't have to speak to these people from TV licensing as you are not under caution. However, if there is suspicion that you have receiving equipment at your address then they can pursue you through the criminal courts as you are breaking the TV Licensing act and you could end up with a criminal conviction. The whole contract thing is just pants, lord knows where he has got that from. The BBC is a corporation yes, but we/the government are its only shareholders, it makes no profit as such. The arm of the BBC that sells dvd's of shows does make profit which goes straight back into what we watch. That is why they are registered as a company. They are still state owned and are protected by the TV Licensing act.

Thirdly, He states that you can't possibly be fined after they have threatened you with one. Quoting some old law from the 1600's. As if lawyers haven't had time to find a way round that already!! And bugger me if they have, the wording is "you MAY be fined up to £1000" which is not a threat. The word MAY means that you MAY well not be fined up to £1000.

Fourthly, I don't see why people have a downer on paying a yearly fee for what is a great public service broadcaster. Should the license fee be abolished and the BBC collapse then our TV will be entirely at the mercy of commercial interests just as it is in the US. There it is the sole driving force behind any decision to make a TV programme or keep one on the air. Advertisers pay for the programmes and should any programme not be _iewed by enough people, therefore not enough people watching the ads, then it is dropped. As a consequence there is little incentive to try any new ideas or take any risks. I mean, have you watched ITV lately? Imagine that, all channels, all day. All programmes become the same populist rubbish for the lowest common denominator. Do you really want all our TV to come from News International, or Richard Desmond?

While you and others who refuse to pay the license fee may think you are getting one over on the man, you are actually hurting the people who would hate to see the death of one of the best things still left in this country. Any news service that has managed to piss off consecutive governments by NOT running puff pieces for them has got to be a good thing.

So stop being a cock there's a good chap and pay your fucking license.

Just because something is on youtube doesn't make it gospel.

Bravo, brilliant post."

Err i stopped reading your post a few sentences becuase of your condecension. I am not an idiot and i never take anything i watch on you tube as being factual. I investigate things to the death before i make an opinion as to whether it has merit.I have studied certain areas of law for 2 years. I am happy to vouch for all the info in that film as being correct because i have investigated it. Before you rubbish something i suggest you do the same. And btw it is all about contract

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?"

the logic is its my CHOICE to pay sky of course. Duh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you stopped reading then you are in no position to rebuff any of my points.

If you've researched it so thoroughly then I seriously doubt your 'hard evidence' would be a YouTube film. It would be case histories where the tv licensing authority has had prosecutions thrown out of court due to abuse of process. Examples of 'Crown vs Smith" where Smith has walked free unpunished.

And I guarantee you that if it was possibly to just not pay your tv license and have no fear of prosecution then SKY would be extolling people to do that and every NI paper would be advising people what to say in court.

Your argument is utter bunk.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london


"If you stopped reading then you are in no position to rebuff any of my points.

If you've researched it so thoroughly then I seriously doubt your 'hard evidence' would be a YouTube film. It would be case histories where the tv licensing authority has had prosecutions thrown out of court due to abuse of process. Examples of 'Crown vs Smith" where Smith has walked free unpunished.

And I guarantee you that if it was possibly to just not pay your tv license and have no fear of prosecution then SKY would be extolling people to do that and every NI paper would be advising people what to say in court.

Your argument is utter bunk."

Maybe you should try and read a small post which doesnt mention "hard evidence" it says watch the film then investigate the claims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?

the logic is its my CHOICE to pay sky of course. Duh"

Yet you claim the TV license is a tax on the poor? So in your world everyone would have the choice of paying £30 a month for a sky package or not being able to watch tv at all.

That's what you are saying, and that is completely contradictory if you think its a tax on the poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, people can have a tv set in their house for free. Does that not seem reasonable? They may then pay for whatever services and channels they wish or dont wish, afford or cant afford. That £12- what if people cant afford it- they r criminals. There shud be an opt out where sky block all bbc shows then we dont have to pay license. Id sign up tmrw and get my sports back that ive had to cancel as i cant afford it any more. Seems sensible someone back me up please? Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?

the logic is its my CHOICE to pay sky of course. Duh"

It's your choice to pay for a TV licence because nobody forces you to watch TV.

If you use it, you should pay for it according to the terms. That includes having a TV licence.

Don't want to pay for it? Don't use it. Simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That £12- what if people cant afford it- they r criminals. "

You're not a criminal for not having a TV licence.

You're committing a criminal act watching or recording TV without a licence.

Can't, or won't, pay, don't watch TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?

the logic is its my CHOICE to pay sky of course. Duh

It's your choice to pay for a TV licence because nobody forces you to watch TV.

If you use it, you should pay for it according to the terms. That includes having a TV licence.

Don't want to pay for it? Don't use it. Simple."

I understand what you've said previously, but, why do you have to prove that you have a TV license when you buy a new TV?

If you don't have one you can't buy one.

If the terms on the website are correct then surely you shouldn't have to prove you have a licence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and to the last poster, you are happy to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch SKY, but not a £12 a month for the BBC?

Wheres the logic in that?

the logic is its my CHOICE to pay sky of course. Duh

It's your choice to pay for a TV licence because nobody forces you to watch TV.

If you use it, you should pay for it according to the terms. That includes having a TV licence.

Don't want to pay for it? Don't use it. Simple.

I understand what you've said previously, but, why do you have to prove that you have a TV license when you buy a new TV?

If you don't have one you can't buy one.

If the terms on the website are correct then surely you shouldn't have to prove you have a licence."

I have no idea. I've not bought a new TV since 2004. Mine's a 28" CRT and it's only been switched on (to watch DVDs) a handful of times in 18 months.

I watch a few things on Sky channels at a friend's place but I have little interest in TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well i really only watch motd on bbc and i wud happily give it up for 144 nicker a year. Why shud ppl who dont watch bbc subsidise it for ppl who do? Im happy with the commercial channels yet have to cough up the cash for bbc channels i dont want. Thats what gets me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I apologise Cliff, you never said 'hard evidence'. Buy you said 'hard facts', of which that film has none.

And you never answered my post with any evidence from your years of research.

Bunk.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

The last time I bought a TV which was not too long ago I was never asked to prove I had a license so when did this come to be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last time I bought a TV which was not too long ago I was never asked to prove I had a license so when did this come to be?"

I've bought at least 4 in the past 2 years and been asked on every occasion. They entered my details into their computer/till and checked before processing the transaction.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

We bought one around 5 months ago so maybe they checked our address and just did not say.

The old way was they sold you the TV but were obliged by law to inform the licensing dept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is correct. They don't check you have a license when you buy. They just take your details and pass them onto the dreaded TV licensing authority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is correct. They don't check you have a license when you buy. They just take your details and pass them onto the dreaded TV licensing authority. "

Aaah, it all becomes clear now. I assumed they were checking because they asked for my personal details and if I had a license.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last time I bought a TV which was not too long ago I was never asked to prove I had a license so when did this come to be?

I've bought at least 4 in the past 2 years and been asked on every occasion. They entered my details into their computer/till and checked before processing the transaction. "

Nobody asks for anything but the cash when you buy a 2nd hand TV.

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By *damandeve4funCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Anyone else refusing to pay anymore, after this JS pedo stuff, I don't think they can be trusted with Tax payers money.....

Which brings me to the government... must be enough members of the Forces on here so we could start a coup...

In spite of what is said of the BBC, it is the finest broadcasting company in the world. I begrudge not a single penny of my fee. Any company which pissed off every government (notice how both Labour and Tories complain of its bias) is doing something right.

And it is not under pressure from advertisers affecting the quality and content of programmes."

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