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"If anything it'll just cause havoc with the grid system and hopefully piss off the share holders lol" No as you be putting more money in to they pocket This must have been dreamed up by people who don’t know how electronics work | |||
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"Basically a silent protest tonight at 10pm, everyone turns the power off for 10 minutes. I like this idea and will take part, unfortunately our government doesn't care about us like the Spanish Government does, so I doubt it will have any effect, but its worth a shot." why does the spanish govenment care about us??  | |||
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"If anything it'll just cause havoc with the grid system and hopefully piss off the share holders lol" And why would causing havoc achieve anything? Sorry, don't get it. Am I dissatisfied with paying more? Yes. Do I think it's far more complex than the media report? Definitely. But if its what you feel you should do,good luck in your goal. | |||
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"Basically a silent protest tonight at 10pm, everyone turns the power off for 10 minutes. I like this idea and will take part, unfortunately our government doesn't care about us like the Spanish Government does, so I doubt it will have any effect, but its worth a shot. why does the spanish govenment care about us?? "The Spanish people did the same protest and got there energy bills reduced | |||
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"Nope as it cost more to shut the power off than it will to keep it running " What's the mechanism that means it'll be more expensive to turn off than to keep on? | |||
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"Nope as it cost more to shut the power off than it will to keep it running What's the mechanism that means it'll be more expensive to turn off than to keep on?" You de charge the capacitors in everything take them all out off trickle charge low power mode And in to high power draw restarting back up to full charge the capacitors | |||
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"No took me an age to work out the oven clock" And that. | |||
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LED dog collar "Dammit, I thought that excuse would swing it | |||
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"Total waste of time.....only people who will suffer will be ourselves. "It worked in Spain. But you're right, we should wait until October when it goes up another 50% | |||
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"Turn off the power will completely de charge them resulting in very high power draw when started back up agein Resulting in higher cost than it would have to just keep it running for 10 minutes " Electronics do use capacitors, and capacitors do discharge over time. This does indeed mean that there will be a large power draw when you turn the item back on again, but that (relatively) large current only lasts for a few milliseconds, and is equivalent to just a few seconds of use when the circuit is on. "For people who don’t know most eclectics run on capacitors witch are basically mini batteries that can’t hold a charge" Capacitors do in fact hold charge very well, and can be quite dangerous for the untrained person poking about in the back of mains powered appliances. For this reason capacitors often have a resistor wired across them to bleed off the power and make the capacitor safe. This resistor will be using a very small amount of power all the time the appliance is on. Leaving household appliances on will definitely use more power than turning them off. | |||
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"For people who don’t know most eclectics run on capacitors witch are basically mini batteries that can’t hold a charge What happens power gose in charges the capacitors then gets distribute though the itume It’s a trickle effect ones they full the itume will consume low power as it only needs to keep toping them up Turn off the power will completely de charge them resulting in very high power draw when started back up agein Resulting in higher cost than it would have to just keep it running for 10 minutes " And this is how they balance the national grid to ensure that the system is in equilibrium between demand, generation, distribution load and wastage and supply? Is it really? | |||
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, 10pm on a Sunday night… yeah that’ll show em  | |||
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"Turn off the power will completely de charge them resulting in very high power draw when started back up agein Resulting in higher cost than it would have to just keep it running for 10 minutes Electronics do use capacitors, and capacitors do discharge over time. This does indeed mean that there will be a large power draw when you turn the item back on again, but that (relatively) large current only lasts for a few milliseconds, and is equivalent to just a few seconds of use when the circuit is on. For people who don’t know most eclectics run on capacitors witch are basically mini batteries that can’t hold a charge Capacitors do in fact hold charge very well, and can be quite dangerous for the untrained person poking about in the back of mains powered appliances. For this reason capacitors often have a resistor wired across them to bleed off the power and make the capacitor safe. This resistor will be using a very small amount of power all the time the appliance is on. Leaving household appliances on will definitely use more power than turning them off." Most house hold itumes are 30 seconds Hence why in the manual for likes off modems and stuff it when restarting it tells you to turn them off for 30s to let them fully power down | |||
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"I get up at 4am so mines all switched off already , 10pm on a Sunday night… yeah that’ll show em "Get your candles and torches ready  | |||
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"Nope as it cost more to shut the power off than it will to keep it running What's the mechanism that means it'll be more expensive to turn off than to keep on? You de charge the capacitors in everything take them all out off trickle charge low power mode And in to high power draw restarting back up to full charge the capacitors " Interesting take, but unwittingly you are highlighting a not unfamiliar problem with modern consumer equipment using switched mode power supplies instead of transformers. Many will function happily while left switched on indefinitely but won't restart after being switched off. This is because the capacitors dry out with heat and time. So, there is quite a possibility that some switch off protesters will end up wishing they hadn't switched off when their entertainment system goes phut. There is also a potential problem of grid overload if everyone switches back on at exactly the same time. However, that might not happen if most people ignore this call to action. Let's see! | |||
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"Nope as it cost more to shut the power off than it will to keep it running What's the mechanism that means it'll be more expensive to turn off than to keep on? You de charge the capacitors in everything take them all out off trickle charge low power mode And in to high power draw restarting back up to full charge the capacitors Interesting take, but unwittingly you are highlighting a not unfamiliar problem with modern consumer equipment using switched mode power supplies instead of transformers. Many will function happily while left switched on indefinitely but won't restart after being switched off. This is because the capacitors dry out with heat and time. So, there is quite a possibility that some switch off protesters will end up wishing they hadn't switched off when their entertainment system goes phut. There is also a potential problem of grid overload if everyone switches back on at exactly the same time. However, that might not happen if most people ignore this call to action. Let's see!" With the time of night, most will switch off and just go to bed. | |||
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"Basically a silent protest tonight at 10pm, everyone turns the power off for 10 minutes. I like this idea and will take part, unfortunately our government doesn't care about us like the Spanish Government does, so I doubt it will have any effect, but its worth a shot." Probably have a bigger effect if everyone boiled their kettles, stuck the electric hob on for 10 minutes and plugged their electric cars in to charge... | |||
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"The BigPowerOff will cost energy companies £9 million if everybody in the UK switches off. Let’s assume only 50% (which is still generous) do, that’s £3.5 million. Energy companies won’t be hurt by such a figure. The only way to win is at the ballot box" | |||
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"The BigPowerOff will cost energy companies £9 million if everybody in the UK switches off. Let’s assume only 50% (which is still generous) do, that’s £3.5 million. Energy companies won’t be hurt by such a figure. The only way to win is at the ballot box" We vote for power companies? Who knew...? | |||
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"The BigPowerOff will cost energy companies £9 million if everybody in the UK switches off. Let’s assume only 50% (which is still generous) do, that’s £3.5 million. Energy companies won’t be hurt by such a figure. The only way to win is at the ballot box" Fantastic. I look forward to making up the deficit on my next bill. | |||
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"The BigPowerOff will cost energy companies £9 million if everybody in the UK switches off. Let’s assume only 50% (which is still generous) do, that’s £3.5 million. Energy companies won’t be hurt by such a figure. The only way to win is at the ballot box Fantastic. I look forward to making up the deficit on my next bill. " | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money" Great. Can't wait for my daily 3hr20min commuting time. | |||
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"Total waste of time.....only people who will suffer will be ourselves.
It worked in Spain. But you're right, we should wait until October when it goes up another 50%"We took part,, it can't actually hurt to try something | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money" How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. | |||
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"Did I miss it? What happened, I can hear sirens outside? "Wind powered ones I hope.? | |||
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"The BigPowerOff will cost energy companies £9 million if everybody in the UK switches off. Let’s assume only 50% (which is still generous) do, that’s £3.5 million. Energy companies won’t be hurt by such a figure. The only way to win is at the ballot box Fantastic. I look forward to making up the deficit on my next bill. " | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA." Use an electric car (taxis) | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money Great. Can't wait for my daily 3hr20min commuting time. " Just think of all the fitness you might even beat your best time record | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money" bugger that i go all bambi legged | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA." I used to cycle but it Hertz now. | |||
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"The BigPowerOff will cost energy companies £9 million if everybody in the UK switches off. Let’s assume only 50% (which is still generous) do, that’s £3.5 million. Energy companies won’t be hurt by such a figure. The only way to win is at the ballot box" I hope the engineers at the national grid don't use your calculator | |||
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"Basically a silent protest tonight at 10pm, everyone turns the power off for 10 minutes. I like this idea and will take part, unfortunately our government doesn't care about us like the Spanish Government does, so I doubt it will have any effect, but its worth a shot." Wooden spoons and pots and pans ringing out at 10 pm would be a better 10 minute protest. | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis)" You mean like Toyota Prius ones that don't fit my wheelchair in the boot? Do you mean via the likes of Uber when the driver drives off and cancels the fare when they see the wheelchair, because they don't want to take (waste) the time to help you? Yeah, my boss will definitely understand | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis)" When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned.  Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis) When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned. Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride "Well think about the fitness plus I'm sure everyone has these e-scooters | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis) When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned. Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride
Well think about the fitness plus I'm sure everyone has these e-scooters "Do they allow e-scooters on the M 20 ? | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis) When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned. Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride
Well think about the fitness plus I'm sure everyone has these e-scooters "E-scooters = standing up. Not everyone can do that either (or can't do it for very long, lack balance etc). | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis) When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned. Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride
Well think about the fitness plus I'm sure everyone has these e-scooters
Do they allow e-scooters on the M 20 ? "This goes back to people working closer to home so people whom live where the other person is going stealing their jobs | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis) When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned. Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride
Well think about the fitness plus I'm sure everyone has these e-scooters
E-scooters = standing up. Not everyone can do that either (or can't do it for very long, lack balance etc). "I'm sure it's in the pipeline an invention with seats X3 wheels 4 if lucky | |||
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"If everyone used a bike to work would be useful not only the ozone layer but oxygen levels less pollution and saves money How does this work if you can't* cycle? *As in, physically unable. Not CBA. Use an electric car (taxis) When I worked taking a taxi every day would have cost more than I earned. Public transport wasn't available to that destination.
Mr N used to sometimes do 500 to 1000 miles a week. That's some bike ride
Well think about the fitness plus I'm sure everyone has these e-scooters
E-scooters = standing up. Not everyone can do that either (or can't do it for very long, lack balance etc).
I'm sure it's in the pipeline an invention with seats X3 wheels 4 if lucky"Isn't that just a mobility scooter? You try commuting to work on one of those! You have a battery range just about enough to get around Sainsbury's. | |||
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"Lol like this is going to make the slightest bit of difference we should all rip our smart meters out put our own metres in and charge Transco direct " What is there to stop someone from becoming an energy supplier themself and buying direct from Transco? | |||
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"And at 10.01 pm everyone pops there kettle on..." Lol that happens when commercial breaks appear in Coronation Street. The hydro power station at Dinorwig (Wales) very quickly kicks in to absorb the sudden drain on the grid. It then effectively uses economy7 electricity at night to pump the water back up to the lake above  | |||
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"Basically a silent protest tonight at 10pm, everyone turns the power off for 10 minutes. I like this idea and will take part, unfortunately our government doesn't care about us like the Spanish Government does, so I doubt it will have any effect, but its worth a shot." What does the Spanish government do for us? | |||
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"If anything it'll just cause havoc with the grid system and hopefully piss off the share holders lol No as you be putting more money in to they pocket This must have been dreamed up by people who don’t know how electronics work " Of course it is. Probably dreamed up by the same people who protest dairy farming by going into super markets and buying all the milk ?? | |||
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"Did it actually achieve anything?" It's hard to say. There was definitely a drop in demand from 26GW to 23GW at 22:00 last night, but that's about the same drop that happens every day. If I was a cynic I'd wonder why they chose 22:00 instead of, say, 19:00. Could it be that they knew there was a drop at 22:00 every day, so they chose 22:00 so that they could claim success to the press? | |||
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"Wasn't it yesterday? Just seen a post for the protest on another social site, 10 minute blackout,, at 10pm on the 10th. "Sorry, just seen the time of the original post  | |||
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"Wasn't it yesterday? Just seen a post for the protest on another social site, 10 minute blackout,, at 10pm on the 10th. "Why not have a rerun tonight for eleven minutes at 11 pm? Then we will see if there is always a drop in demand at 10 pm. | |||
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