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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life " Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? | |||
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"I'm sure the Williams sisters have more testosterone than most men. Always wondered if they were originally men lol" “Lol” indeed, rude. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? " Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level " So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then  | |||
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"Oh god. Can't we have a break from this subject for a week or so? Since when does anyone care what boris' views are on this anyway?" lol definitely stale | |||
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"Oh god. Can't we have a break from this subject for a week or so? Since when does anyone care what boris' views are on this anyway?" Feel free to take a break and not join in  | |||
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"Oh god. Can't we have a break from this subject for a week or so? Since when does anyone care what boris' views are on this anyway? Feel free to take a break and not join in "Thanks for the advice much appreciated  | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then "arh you’re gender critical too what a surprise x lol | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then arh you’re gender critical too what a surprise x lol "You’d have to explain on that one. I don’t speak crazy | |||
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"I'm sure the Williams sisters have more testosterone than most men. Always wondered if they were originally men lol" Why say that, do they make you feel insecure ? | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then "Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports And a woman who’s been on the gear At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then arh you’re gender critical too what a surprise x lol "why is that gender critical  | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same "Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same "Are you qualified (medically) to back that statement? | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then arh you’re gender critical too what a surprise x lol why is that gender critical "Don’t feed the troll | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
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At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same "that’s a good point | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol"No cris cyborg is standing poor | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor "Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then arh you’re gender critical too what a surprise x lol why is that gender critical
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
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"I'm sure the Williams sisters have more testosterone than most men. Always wondered if they were originally men lol Why say that, do they make you feel insecure ?"  burn!  | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree. "we’d get on like a Tory party piss up | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree. "So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
"I’d like to not have the conversation because I don’t think you know what your on about and I don’t think your the type of person to realise it. That’s why I agreed to disagree | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
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"Isn't Grant Shapps involved? He's the current transport minister isn't he? "Lolol A fucking comedian lol | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Go back to school or at least educate yourself in basic biology jeez"Ha ha wow did you just say that lol no idear My info comes for top level labs and the golden snitch him self awesome can I ask is some paying you million a year to be they head off athletic steroids policy if not I don’t think your in a position to criticise | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
I’d like to not have the conversation because I don’t think you know what your on about and I don’t think your the type of person to realise it. That’s why I agreed to disagree "LoL what a big head | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?…."Yes I am very high mma media | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?….
Yes I am very high mma media "You do seem high to be fair. Glad that’s cleared up. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Go back to school or at least educate yourself in basic biology jeez
Ha ha wow did you just say that lol no idear
My info comes for top level labs and the golden snitch him self awesome can I ask is some paying you million a year to be they head off athletic steroids policy if not I don’t think your in a position to criticise "Steroids affect the physical nature pf someone. Genetics a completely separate entity. Moronic ideas you have | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?….
Yes I am very high mma media
You do seem high to be fair.
Glad that’s cleared up."So what your tell me is Jeff Novitzky the golden snitch aka the guy who busted lance Armstrong is wrong Is am just referring to his research that was done in to a mma fighter called cris cyborg | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Go back to school or at least educate yourself in basic biology jeez
Ha ha wow did you just say that lol no idear
My info comes for top level labs and the golden snitch him self awesome can I ask is some paying you million a year to be they head off athletic steroids policy if not I don’t think your in a position to criticise
Steroids affect the physical nature pf someone. Genetics a completely separate entity. Moronic ideas you have"Tell that to Jeff Novitzky then  | |||
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised " Copy and paste from Google as per normal Would not have a clue if he was part of the discussion. he is clearly lacking self worth/! | |||
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"Never take medical science info from someone that says their media and can barely string a paragraph together Maybe leave it to the doctors " I maybe on be able to spell but that doesn’t mean I don’t have a hand in change ranks off a spot ever week I did I am just referring to Jeff Novitzky words they not mine | |||
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"Never take medical science info from someone that says their media and can barely string a paragraph together Maybe leave it to the doctors " oh doctors I know a German poem about them What takes away the doctors bread you’re gaining health or falling dead so Doctors tend to act quite mean they like to keep you in between | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Go back to school or at least educate yourself in basic biology jeez
Ha ha wow did you just say that lol no idear
My info comes for top level labs and the golden snitch him self awesome can I ask is some paying you million a year to be they head off athletic steroids policy if not I don’t think your in a position to criticise
Steroids affect the physical nature pf someone. Genetics a completely separate entity. Moronic ideas you have
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised " To be fair, once upon a time I felt the same but the thing with grenades is, people don't have to bite (on this or any topic). Tom presents the "news" it is everyone else that replies to his threads and is hit by the grenade blast that are truely at fault. Grenades walk the line of trolling, its a difficult balance but the result is the same, don't bite and don't feed. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Go back to school or at least educate yourself in basic biology jeez
Ha ha wow did you just say that lol no idear
My info comes for top level labs and the golden snitch him self awesome can I ask is some paying you million a year to be they head off athletic steroids policy if not I don’t think your in a position to criticise
Steroids affect the physical nature pf someone. Genetics a completely separate entity. Moronic ideas you have
Tell that to Jeff Novitzky then
WOW
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Go back to school or at least educate yourself in basic biology jeez
Ha ha wow did you just say that lol no idear
My info comes for top level labs and the golden snitch him self awesome can I ask is some paying you million a year to be they head off athletic steroids policy if not I don’t think your in a position to criticise
Steroids affect the physical nature pf someone. Genetics a completely separate entity. Moronic ideas you have
Tell that to Jeff Novitzky then
WOW
Education is dead. Its offical folks "How is it dead Ok so someone on fab knows better than the guy who busted Lance Armstrong Who is not the head off the ufc athlete development And at the leading for fort off detection off new way to detect steroids | |||
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised To be fair, once upon a time I felt the same but the thing with grenades is, people don't have to bite (on this or any topic). Tom presents the "news" it is everyone else that replies to his threads and is hit by the grenade blast that are truely at fault. Grenades walk the line of trolling, its a difficult balance but the result is the same, don't bite and don't feed. " that’s so pedantically sarcastic | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. " Or maybe there’s overlap between people that care about womens sports and fairness, and people that just want to push down on a minority group. As they say, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water | |||
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised To be fair, once upon a time I felt the same but the thing with grenades is, people don't have to bite (on this or any topic). Tom presents the "news" it is everyone else that replies to his threads and is hit by the grenade blast that are truely at fault. Grenades walk the line of trolling, its a difficult balance but the result is the same, don't bite and don't feed. " True - sometimes difficult Over and out and thankful i dont know certain people on real life | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. Or maybe there’s overlap between people that care about womens sports and fairness, and people that just want to push down on a minority group. As they say, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water " we can clearly see your overlap x | |||
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised To be fair, once upon a time I felt the same but the thing with grenades is, people don't have to bite (on this or any topic). Tom presents the "news" it is everyone else that replies to his threads and is hit by the grenade blast that are truely at fault. Grenades walk the line of trolling, its a difficult balance but the result is the same, don't bite and don't feed. that’s so pedantically sarcastic " See! Point proven. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. " The situation has changed. That's why the response has changed. | |||
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"Erm... I maybe missing something and don't know loads about the subject or science behind it, but can't some sports just introduce a Trans only division similar to Men's and Women's divisions in sport? They can, but there’s issue even there Some say there won’t be enough trans people to make a league, I disagree but it’s a concern Others say it’s unfair to make someone compete as trans, they want to be the gender they feel they are, plus compete at that level Then there’s a bunch of other issues that come up naturally when people want to take drugs to transition and also compete in sports where such drugs are usually banned I’d just make a trans league. Let’s start racing them. Town over told me they have the fastest ones apparently. I bet they don’t " I did think about the first point about not being enough trans people but always thought that it has to start somewhere. Even if the standard wouldn't be great today, doesn't mean they can't set it for future generations. I didn't consider the other two points but can understand they want to compete as the gender they feel. It feels lie people are going to be upset or not fully happy regardless of the decisions made  | |||
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised To be fair, once upon a time I felt the same but the thing with grenades is, people don't have to bite (on this or any topic). Tom presents the "news" it is everyone else that replies to his threads and is hit by the grenade blast that are truely at fault. Grenades walk the line of trolling, its a difficult balance but the result is the same, don't bite and don't feed. " Tom does not present the news. He presents click bait half news. He never cites his sources (only that's it's 'all over the news') and often deliberately excludes key points. But it's what he does and most people have cottoned on. Just one of the forum characters. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. " But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x  | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x "The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure? | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x "I think maybe tom writes for the daily mail? Perhaps threads like this give him sound bites as I'm sure I've read that argument be made on one of the numerous anti trans sports threads | |||
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"Tom throwing a “ sensitive topic grenade” and then disappearing, how am I NOT surprised To be fair, once upon a time I felt the same but the thing with grenades is, people don't have to bite (on this or any topic). Tom presents the "news" it is everyone else that replies to his threads and is hit by the grenade blast that are truely at fault. Grenades walk the line of trolling, its a difficult balance but the result is the same, don't bite and don't feed. Tom does not present the news. He presents click bait half news. He never cites his sources (only that's it's 'all over the news') and often deliberately excludes key points. But it's what he does and most people have cottoned on. Just one of the forum characters. " To be fair, he does present the news, well the headlines. You Google his topics and they come up. This topic was a legit headline from today. He presents the headline and the rest takes care of itself. It all started with covid and god damn it the man was right! The man has a catch phrase, a tagline. A calling card. He is like Zorro delivering the news. Mark my words, you will see him with Mr Chips as a catchphrase to be guessed soon enough. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?"And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X It’s so disheartening … x | |||
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"Maybe it would just be easier to allow anyone, irrespective of gender, to compete together. That would avoid the issues. Can't imagine any problems. Complete equality! " It's a difficult problem with no obvious solution on a topic that too many people like to have an opinion. | |||
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"Maybe it would just be easier to allow anyone, irrespective of gender, to compete together. That would avoid the issues. Can't imagine any problems. Complete equality! It's a difficult problem with no obvious solution on a topic that too many people like to have an opinion." This | |||
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"Erm... I maybe missing something and don't know loads about the subject or science behind it, but can't some sports just introduce a Trans only division similar to Men's and Women's divisions in sport? They can, but there’s issue even there Some say there won’t be enough trans people to make a league, I disagree but it’s a concern Others say it’s unfair to make someone compete as trans, they want to be the gender they feel they are, plus compete at that level Then there’s a bunch of other issues that come up naturally when people want to take drugs to transition and also compete in sports where such drugs are usually banned I’d just make a trans league. Let’s start racing them. Town over told me they have the fastest ones apparently. I bet they don’t I did think about the first point about not being enough trans people but always thought that it has to start somewhere. Even if the standard wouldn't be great today, doesn't mean they can't set it for future generations. I didn't consider the other two points but can understand they want to compete as the gender they feel. It feels lie people are going to be upset or not fully happy regardless of the decisions made "Yes, I think that's accurate. Sport can't be fully inclusive and fully fair at the same time. | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury"They are a wheelchair user which is why they are offering I believe | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury"Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level " Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. " That's because they've been shite mediocre male "athletes". (Laurel Hubbard for example). They've taken the place of a female athlete, the winning or not is irrelevant. | |||
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Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. " If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?….
Yes I am very high mma media
You do seem high to be fair.
Glad that’s cleared up.
So what your tell me is Jeff Novitzky the golden snitch aka the guy who busted lance Armstrong is wrong
Is am just referring to his research that was done in to a mma fighter called cris cyborg
"So your theory is that half of all sportswomen are taking steroids, and that this makes them identical to men? If so, then you are partly right, in that half of the women in sport should be banned … for taking steroids. Male-born athletes have inherent physical advantages over women for power-based sports, and simply pumping women full of steroids does not completely nullify that. I don’t accept the suggestion they steroids are as prevalent as you suggest though | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. " It reverts to a degree. You can’t take testosterone for 10 years (as a female) and expect to have reversible effects. Some might be irreversible That’s what they also say when you get put on cross sex hormones (not the blockers) but hey, you must know better! | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble " Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDs | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?….
Yes I am very high mma media
You do seem high to be fair.
Glad that’s cleared up.
So what your tell me is Jeff Novitzky the golden snitch aka the guy who busted lance Armstrong is wrong
Is am just referring to his research that was done in to a mma fighter called cris cyborg
So your theory is that half of all sportswomen are taking steroids, and that this makes them identical to men?
If so, then you are partly right, in that half of the women in sport should be banned … for taking steroids.
Male-born athletes have inherent physical advantages over women for power-based sports, and simply pumping women full of steroids does not completely nullify that.
I don’t accept the suggestion they steroids are as prevalent as you suggest though "Not my theory belco labs bust in 2013 should have been the wake up call when they pulled a mixed gender athlete list off 5 million | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?….
Yes I am very high mma media
You do seem high to be fair.
Glad that’s cleared up.
So what your tell me is Jeff Novitzky the golden snitch aka the guy who busted lance Armstrong is wrong
Is am just referring to his research that was done in to a mma fighter called cris cyborg
So your theory is that half of all sportswomen are taking steroids, and that this makes them identical to men?
If so, then you are partly right, in that half of the women in sport should be banned … for taking steroids.
Male-born athletes have inherent physical advantages over women for power-based sports, and simply pumping women full of steroids does not completely nullify that.
I don’t accept the suggestion they steroids are as prevalent as you suggest though
Not my theory belco labs bust in 2013 should have been the wake up call when they pulled a mixed gender athlete list off 5 million "Sorry but that didn’t answer anything I asked? | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDs" i thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing | |||
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The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x "There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDs" gabi garcia | |||
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Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me "Obviously you're aware then that able bodied people can and do participate in wheelchair sports, alongside disabled people. The use of the wheelchair is a leveller - it doesn't particularly matter how well your legs work, if you're sat on your bum. I play wheelchair basketball in a mixed gender, mixed disability/able bodied team - it's the most inclusive sports "thing" I've ever come across. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing " absolutely but your ligaments and muscles can change it’s not unusual for a trans-woman to lose a little bit of height and maybe drop a shoe size | |||
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"Erm... I maybe missing something and don't know loads about the subject or science behind it, but can't some sports just introduce a Trans only division similar to Men's and Women's divisions in sport? They can, but there’s issue even there Some say there won’t be enough trans people to make a league, I disagree but it’s a concern Others say it’s unfair to make someone compete as trans, they want to be the gender they feel they are, plus compete at that level Then there’s a bunch of other issues that come up naturally when people want to take drugs to transition and also compete in sports where such drugs are usually banned I’d just make a trans league. Let’s start racing them. Town over told me they have the fastest ones apparently. I bet they don’t I did think about the first point about not being enough trans people but always thought that it has to start somewhere. Even if the standard wouldn't be great today, doesn't mean they can't set it for future generations. I didn't consider the other two points but can understand they want to compete as the gender they feel. It feels lie people are going to be upset or not fully happy regardless of the decisions made
Yes, I think that's accurate. Sport can't be fully inclusive and fully fair at the same time. "Yes. It’s a complex issue, and when individual sports implement the frameworks that they feel are fair, there will be someone who just missed out, who feels hard done by. Or may be someone who just made it through and some of their fellow competitors feel hard done by. Can’t please everybody. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing " I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything | |||
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Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
Obviously you're aware then that able bodied people can and do participate in wheelchair sports, alongside disabled people. The use of the wheelchair is a leveller - it doesn't particularly matter how well your legs work, if you're sat on your bum.
I play wheelchair basketball in a mixed gender, mixed disability/able bodied team - it's the most inclusive sports "thing" I've ever come across. "That’s actually pretty cool. Out of interest, how do able bodied people get into wheelchair sports? What makes them want to do it? | |||
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Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
Obviously you're aware then that able bodied people can and do participate in wheelchair sports, alongside disabled people. The use of the wheelchair is a leveller - it doesn't particularly matter how well your legs work, if you're sat on your bum.
I play wheelchair basketball in a mixed gender, mixed disability/able bodied team - it's the most inclusive sports "thing" I've ever come across.
That’s actually pretty cool. Out of interest, how do able bodied people get into wheelchair sports? What makes them want to do it? "It varies. Coach got into it because someone came and did a taster wheelchair sports session when he was at school and he's been playing ever since. One player tagged along with a disabled parent and got involved. Others are physically able bodied but maybe have a learning difference or something similar and have been members of some kind of support service for people with various disabilities, so again, tag along with physically disabled friends. That's just my lot. I'm sure there's lots of other reasons. It's good fun, we're a very mixed group (ages as well as everything else), it's honestly brilliant fun. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then
Can I ask what’s the difference from a man going though pubty and then become a woman and entering sports
And a woman who’s been on the gear
At a gentacl level in terms off bone density and muscle fibres they the exact same
Id imagine a lot. Like, really a lot. Lol
No cris cyborg is standing poor
Hmmm. Guess we can agreed to disagree.
So please tell me how a woman jack to the hills on test isn’t going to go though a man’s pubty
Or don’t you understand how steroids work on a genetic level if you don’t then should even be have this conversation
You know they drug test right?….
Yes I am very high mma media
You do seem high to be fair.
Glad that’s cleared up.
So what your tell me is Jeff Novitzky the golden snitch aka the guy who busted lance Armstrong is wrong
Is am just referring to his research that was done in to a mma fighter called cris cyborg
So your theory is that half of all sportswomen are taking steroids, and that this makes them identical to men?
If so, then you are partly right, in that half of the women in sport should be banned … for taking steroids.
Male-born athletes have inherent physical advantages over women for power-based sports, and simply pumping women full of steroids does not completely nullify that.
I don’t accept the suggestion they steroids are as prevalent as you suggest though
Not my theory belco labs bust in 2013 should have been the wake up call when they pulled a mixed gender athlete list off 5 million "Belco proved that 50 per cent of sportswomen are taking steroids? Which sports? All sports? Professionals? Amateurs? I have been involved in a power-based (power plus stamina) sport for decades, and the number of women in the sport woo take steroids is zero. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDs gabi garcia" Prime example of why you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. Gabi Garcia isn’t trans. https://empireboobookitty.com/is-gabi-garcia-transgender/?amp | |||
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"It’s an easy fix really a minimum transition period and the requirement to have reassignment surgery" What will reassignment change or is it that a commitment to it would show they are a 'true' trans woman and it just trying to win medals? Are trans women who choose not to have reassignment surgery not trans women? Not having a dig and I don't believe that they are any less than fully transitioned women, just asking a question. In the case if Lia Thompson there is a 3 year period that they have to be on hrt for before competing as a woman. She was 6 months short of this but the organising body decided to waiver that. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDs" Dude, some women out there have broader shoulders, big Feet, are tall, have big hands . If we go with that attitude, then are we gonna categorise athletes by their measurements and race? That’d be fairer … I’m sure some white minute tennis players might have been very discouraged by how Serena Williams was built compared to them But it’s okay because Serena is born female even if she’s got very masculine features And guys, I get the argument totally. But at least let’s be honest here and say the real truth. | |||
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"As an aside...will they do away with weight categories in boxing say? I mean if men identifying as women can compete in women's sports then i want to see a man built like Mo Farah take on a man like Evander Holyfield. Fair's fair!" How is that comparable? | |||
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"My granny had a hairy chin after taking androgynous hormones to support her in old age… advantages of keeping her going for a few more years outweighing the stubble. Hormones in sport do provide competitive advantage… no ones disputing this. Those who choose to compete as female when born male will have similar advantage. Stop with the Emperor's New Clothes!" How did her MMA career go in her later years? | |||
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Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me "As it may very well be to the poster. Who routinely discusses things about how being in a wheelchair impacts her daily life. If you seek out the negative in everything, that is all you'll ever see. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level So half of females in sports weren’t born boys? Worried for a minute then arh you’re gender critical too what a surprise x lol "Don't feed the troll! loving your new profile pic by the way xx | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything " I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury
Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
Obviously you're aware then that able bodied people can and do participate in wheelchair sports, alongside disabled people. The use of the wheelchair is a leveller - it doesn't particularly matter how well your legs work, if you're sat on your bum.
I play wheelchair basketball in a mixed gender, mixed disability/able bodied team - it's the most inclusive sports "thing" I've ever come across.
That’s actually pretty cool. Out of interest, how do able bodied people get into wheelchair sports? What makes them want to do it?
It varies. Coach got into it because someone came and did a taster wheelchair sports session when he was at school and he's been playing ever since. One player tagged along with a disabled parent and got involved. Others are physically able bodied but maybe have a learning difference or something similar and have been members of some kind of support service for people with various disabilities, so again, tag along with physically disabled friends. That's just my lot. I'm sure there's lots of other reasons.
It's good fun, we're a very mixed group (ages as well as everything else), it's honestly brilliant fun. "They should do this more in schools. My friend's primary school did something similar and the kids had a new appreciation (not sure that's the right word sorry) for wheelchairs after they'd tried moving around in them. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years " You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x
There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly."It really grinds me because it’s signalling like.. now everyone will suddenly become trans, and there will be a trans take over. In every region of society and will push out everyone.. When that’s not the freaking case. | |||
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"My granny had a hairy chin after taking androgynous hormones to support her in old age… advantages of keeping her going for a few more years outweighing the stubble. Hormones in sport do provide competitive advantage… no ones disputing this. Those who choose to compete as female when born male will have similar advantage. Stop with the Emperor's New Clothes! How did her MMA career go in her later years? "My dad was a big guy and she always kept him in his place! ?? | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDs Dude, some women out there have broader shoulders, big Feet, are tall, have big hands . If we go with that attitude, then are we gonna categorise athletes by their measurements and race? That’d be fairer … I’m sure some white minute tennis players might have been very discouraged by how Serena Williams was built compared to them But it’s okay because Serena is born female even if she’s got very masculine features And guys, I get the argument totally. But at least let’s be honest here and say the real truth. " We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury
Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
Obviously you're aware then that able bodied people can and do participate in wheelchair sports, alongside disabled people. The use of the wheelchair is a leveller - it doesn't particularly matter how well your legs work, if you're sat on your bum.
I play wheelchair basketball in a mixed gender, mixed disability/able bodied team - it's the most inclusive sports "thing" I've ever come across.
That’s actually pretty cool. Out of interest, how do able bodied people get into wheelchair sports? What makes them want to do it?
It varies. Coach got into it because someone came and did a taster wheelchair sports session when he was at school and he's been playing ever since. One player tagged along with a disabled parent and got involved. Others are physically able bodied but maybe have a learning difference or something similar and have been members of some kind of support service for people with various disabilities, so again, tag along with physically disabled friends. That's just my lot. I'm sure there's lots of other reasons.
It's good fun, we're a very mixed group (ages as well as everything else), it's honestly brilliant fun.
They should do this more in schools. My friend's primary school did something similar and the kids had a new appreciation (not sure that's the right word sorry) for wheelchairs after they'd tried moving around in them. "It's something my team are hoping to start being able to do, we had plans pre pandemic. Issue is transporting and having enough chairs to do it and the fact all the adult members also work and so we have to fit in around that. We'd like to do more awareness raising though. Sports chairs are dead easy to manouvre compared to day chairs | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x
There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly.
It really grinds me because it’s signalling like.. now everyone will suddenly become trans, and there will be a trans take over. In every region of society and will push out everyone..
When that’s not the freaking case. "Omg a trans takeover!! That would be so cool. xx | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury
Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
As it may very well be to the poster. Who routinely discusses things about how being in a wheelchair impacts her daily life.
If you seek out the negative in everything, that is all you'll ever see. "I had no idea x and try to sway the group conformality in attacking me at any opportunity for some reason | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury
Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
As it may very well be to the poster. Who routinely discusses things about how being in a wheelchair impacts her daily life.
If you seek out the negative in everything, that is all you'll ever see. "like I said I had no idea her perspective came for my wheelchair | |||
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"I'm still offering mixed gender wheelchair sports as the most inclusive option, but no one is ever interested That’s a horrible thing to say could happen to anyone of us are spinal injury
Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
Obviously you're aware then that able bodied people can and do participate in wheelchair sports, alongside disabled people. The use of the wheelchair is a leveller - it doesn't particularly matter how well your legs work, if you're sat on your bum.
I play wheelchair basketball in a mixed gender, mixed disability/able bodied team - it's the most inclusive sports "thing" I've ever come across.
That’s actually pretty cool. Out of interest, how do able bodied people get into wheelchair sports? What makes them want to do it?
It varies. Coach got into it because someone came and did a taster wheelchair sports session when he was at school and he's been playing ever since. One player tagged along with a disabled parent and got involved. Others are physically able bodied but maybe have a learning difference or something similar and have been members of some kind of support service for people with various disabilities, so again, tag along with physically disabled friends. That's just my lot. I'm sure there's lots of other reasons.
It's good fun, we're a very mixed group (ages as well as everything else), it's honestly brilliant fun.
They should do this more in schools. My friend's primary school did something similar and the kids had a new appreciation (not sure that's the right word sorry) for wheelchairs after they'd tried moving around in them.
It's something my team are hoping to start being able to do, we had plans pre pandemic. Issue is transporting and having enough chairs to do it and the fact all the adult members also work and so we have to fit in around that. We'd like to do more awareness raising though. Sports chairs are dead easy to manouvre compared to day chairs "Good point about transport. I think they used day chairs at the school. No idea how they got them there.  | |||
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Sorry but why are you so negatively reactive constantly? You've been using the forum enough, to see that this forumite uses a wheelchair and plays wheelchair sports. She's blinking amazing and I've learnt lots about the struggles of wheelchair sports due to her.
no I was completely unaware I’ve suffered a huge spinal injury paragliding a decade ago and I’m lucky to be able to walk x so it’s a sensitive subject for me
As it may very well be to the poster. Who routinely discusses things about how being in a wheelchair impacts her daily life.
If you seek out the negative in everything, that is all you'll ever see. like I said I had no idea her perspective came for my wheelchair "Check out the pics
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. " Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x
There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly.
It really grinds me because it’s signalling like.. now everyone will suddenly become trans, and there will be a trans take over. In every region of society and will push out everyone..
When that’s not the freaking case.
Omg a trans takeover!! That would be so cool. xx"You don’t think that is what has happened already? | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology " Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. | |||
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" Omg a trans takeover!! That would be so cool. xx
You don’t think that is what has happened already?"Literally no. 0.6% of the population is considered trans. And that’s including people who maybe didn’t transition for whatever reason (social or pressure) Because people are born trans - you don’t just choose to have gender dysphoria So absolutely where is this trans take over? Its like when people used to say the same shit but about the gays. Thank god, we don’t live in the ice age (in some countries tho, they are still behind on that regards, and they won’t allow two gay/lesbian parents to be parents because they think it’s inappropriate and people think they’d make their kids gay - like …what?!) | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text " Even if 50 per cent of belco customers were women, that does not prove that 50 per cent of sportswomen are using steroids. Do you have any proof, for example, that 50 percent of female rowers are taking steroids? That’s a sport in which lower is hugely important. Or sailing? Badminton? Squash? Drug use in women’s sports tends to be hugely concentrated in outright power events like throwing and lifting. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Even if 50 per cent of belco customers were women, that does not prove that 50 per cent of sportswomen are using steroids. Do you have any proof, for example, that 50 percent of female rowers are taking steroids? That’s a sport in which lower is hugely important. Or sailing? Badminton? Squash? Drug use in women’s sports tends to be hugely concentrated in outright power events like throwing and lifting. " Shelby Houlihan, the middle-distance runner who currently holds two U.S. records, says she's been banned from the Tokyo Olympics after testing positive for the steroid nandrolone. Houlihan says she's clean and is blaming the test result on a pork burrito she got from a food truck. Anti-doping officials don't agree with the runner. They've handed Houlihan a four-year ban, just before U.S. Olympic trials for the track and field team will begin in Eugene, Ore., this weekend. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x
There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly.
It really grinds me because it’s signalling like.. now everyone will suddenly become trans, and there will be a trans take over. In every region of society and will push out everyone..
When that’s not the freaking case. "The media love pushing trans related shock need much like lots of the YouTube influencer channels They just see it as a win win for eyes in content to make bank .. they probably give zero fucks most of the time on the matter other than is it current popular and guaranteed to fire up comments
People forget or simply have no clue at just how the likelihood of bumping with a trans person really is. Under 1% of the population in each country .
Trans / binary has just become the new “fight homosexuality “ subject since that has been moved in from.
I started transition in 2008 and remember from then to around -2014/5 you barely heard anything major in news about trans people . Then all of a sudden bammm after the Catilyn Jenner media circus it all blew the fuck up .
Personally I feel good positive trans popularity in the media has peaked and we are now in decline . This is from my lived in experience the last decade + of my life internationally working / travelling and here in UK .
It’s going to be an issue like religion where you are for it or against it .
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Even if 50 per cent of belco customers were women, that does not prove that 50 per cent of sportswomen are using steroids. Do you have any proof, for example, that 50 percent of female rowers are taking steroids? That’s a sport in which lower is hugely important. Or sailing? Badminton? Squash? Drug use in women’s sports tends to be hugely concentrated in outright power events like throwing and lifting. Shelby Houlihan, the middle-distance runner who currently holds two U.S. records, says she's been banned from the Tokyo Olympics after testing positive for the steroid nandrolone. Houlihan says she's clean and is blaming the test result on a pork burrito she got from a food truck. Anti-doping officials don't agree with the runner. They've handed Houlihan a four-year ban, just before U.S. Olympic trials for the track and field team will begin in Eugene, Ore., this weekend. " Nandrolone is a type of anabolic steroid. Anabolic steroids include testosterone and lab-grown (synthetic) forms of testosterone. Doctors prescribe anabolic steroids, including nandrolone, to treat some illnesses and injuries. Some athletes -- professionals as well as everyday athletes and even adolescents -- misuse steroids like nandrolone to build muscle and boost performance | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text " Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. " I don’t care how many trans athletes there are or what position they finish in. When it comes to sports I treat trans athletes like steroid users and cheaters. I don’t care how there are. I don’t care what position you come in. I don’t want to see them in fair competition. If someone wants to boil that down to “they shouldn’t be in our toilets either” they are wrong. There’s no element of competition or fair play in going to the toilet I’m sorry you feel that that’s how it’s gonna end up, but that thought is kinda insulting to life time female athletes that just want their sport to be fair. Don’t lump transphobic people and sportsmen and women together please. I understand there’s overlap. But they aren’t the same | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Even if 50 per cent of belco customers were women, that does not prove that 50 per cent of sportswomen are using steroids. Do you have any proof, for example, that 50 percent of female rowers are taking steroids? That’s a sport in which lower is hugely important. Or sailing? Badminton? Squash? Drug use in women’s sports tends to be hugely concentrated in outright power events like throwing and lifting. Shelby Houlihan, the middle-distance runner who currently holds two U.S. records, says she's been banned from the Tokyo Olympics after testing positive for the steroid nandrolone. Houlihan says she's clean and is blaming the test result on a pork burrito she got from a food truck. Anti-doping officials don't agree with the runner. They've handed Houlihan a four-year ban, just before U.S. Olympic trials for the track and field team will begin in Eugene, Ore., this weekend. " That proves that 50 per cent of all sportswomen are taking steroids? Why not just admit that that figure is a wild, unsubstantiated exaggeration? Posting details of a few more failed drugs test will change nothing. As I said, drug issue is rampant in some power sports, but saying 50 per cent of all sportswomen are taking drugs needs to be backed up. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers " I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x
There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly.
It really grinds me because it’s signalling like.. now everyone will suddenly become trans, and there will be a trans take over. In every region of society and will push out everyone..
When that’s not the freaking case. "The new Axis of evil right? As if.. It seems like there is negative sentiment from the Tories (top down PM, Truss), and well as large swathes of the media, as they are known to be a mouthpiece for this party. (Especially the DMail.) There are points both sides to raised/discussed, not just related to sports. However the papers do whip things up into a frenzy. It’s what they do. | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. " That's your interpretation, Kylie. There may well be some who object to trans women in female sports because they're transphobic. But you're dismissing all the other valid reasons that people object by just assigning it to transphobia and I think that's unfair. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc " Please - enough about steroids. It is derailing the thread. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc Please - enough about steroids. It is derailing the thread. " How is it derailing just because I can pick apart the agrments against why they should compete By saying if you want to base in on X Y Z then any woman athlete that’s failed for steroids Needs to be banned for life because When they took steroids they also developed X Y and Z | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc Please - enough about steroids. It is derailing the thread. How is it derailing just because I can pick apart the agrments against why they should compete By saying if you want to base in on X Y Z then any woman athlete that’s failed for steroids Needs to be banned for life because When they took steroids they also developed X Y and Z " So any cis woman that takes performance enhancing drugs becomes transgender? Ridiculous. And given that Gabi Garcia isn’t a transgender yet you openly stated she is, leads me to believe that you’ll believe anything you hear/see online without any actual evidence. | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc Please - enough about steroids. It is derailing the thread. How is it derailing just because I can pick apart the agrments against why they should compete By saying if you want to base in on X Y Z then any woman athlete that’s failed for steroids Needs to be banned for life because When they took steroids they also developed X Y and Z " Because trans women are a completely different issue to female athletes who decide to dope. Totally different ethical situation. And all that's happening is you and others bickering about steroids. But whatever I am the only person saying anything so I am out. | |||
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"Trans people have been able to compete on the Olympics for 20 years, and have won zero medals. Maybe, just maybe, the fuss about trans women in female sports is more about pushing down on a minority group than it is actual genuine concern for women's sport. But apparently here’s what the daily Mail WROTE: “Women and girls across Britain are dropping out of recreational sport because they are being pressured to compete against transgender women who are biologically male, campaigners have claimed” Literally making it sound like every biological male is about to transition… 0.6% of the population would be considered trans. And that means they might not have transitioned yet. What are we even debating??! Why write stuff that sounds so ALARMING! How many actual people who transitioned do you guys know? Cos I personally only know of 2! And I live in London x
The Daily Mail exaggerating the truth while leaving out key details to push their own narrative and cause panic? Are you sure?
And people read that garbage and believe it. That’s the sad part on why people are paranoid of a trans take over ! X
It’s so disheartening … x
There is far too much in the way of negative undertones against trans folk these days in the media. I’m not surprised by the Daily Mail view sadly.
It really grinds me because it’s signalling like.. now everyone will suddenly become trans, and there will be a trans take over. In every region of society and will push out everyone..
When that’s not the freaking case.
The media love pushing trans related shock need much like lots of the YouTube influencer channels They just see it as a win win for eyes in content to make bank .. they probably give zero fucks most of the time on the matter other than is it current popular and guaranteed to fire up comments
People forget or simply have no clue at just how the likelihood of bumping with a trans person really is. Under 1% of the population in each country .
Trans / binary has just become the new “fight homosexuality “ subject since that has been moved in from.
I started transition in 2008 and remember from then to around -2014/5 you barely heard anything major in news about trans people . Then all of a sudden bammm after the Catilyn Jenner media circus it all blew the fuck up .
Personally I feel good positive trans popularity in the media has peaked and we are now in decline . This is from my lived in experience the last decade + of my life internationally working / travelling and here in UK .
It’s going to be an issue like religion where you are for it or against it .
"I totally agree with what you say, also I love the stats on likelihood on meeting a trans person. So many probably have no clue And now they blow things out of proportion… | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc Please - enough about steroids. It is derailing the thread. How is it derailing just because I can pick apart the agrments against why they should compete By saying if you want to base in on X Y Z then any woman athlete that’s failed for steroids Needs to be banned for life because When they took steroids they also developed X Y and Z So any cis woman that takes performance enhancing drugs becomes transgender? Ridiculous. And given that Gabi Garcia isn’t a transgender yet you openly stated she is, leads me to believe that you’ll believe anything you hear/see online without any actual evidence. " If your base it on bone structure and muscle fiber density yes because they develop that just like a man would going though pubty And no I never sed gabi was tarns but it’s clear as day HGH | |||
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"Then 50% off female in female sports need to be banned for life Half of females in sports were born male? Can anyone confirm? Hafe the female is sports are on test Basically turned them selfs in to trans athlete At a genetic level Not at a genetic level!!! XX and XY ( or indeed any of the very limited triple chromosome anomalies) remain constant and when people stop using hormones cosmetically, the body largely reverts to type. Sorry but that is biology. If it then so if a man on woman’s hormones then will have the bone density and muscle fiber stuckses off a woman then Ooooo no wait that’s the big point as to why they don’t want them to compete Just like what happenes to a woman when she hops on gear She developes a man’s bone structure and muscle Fabre descent with isn’t reverseble Do women who take steroids get taller? Do they get broader shoulders? Do they get smaller hips? Bigger hands? Bigger heart and lungs? Genuine question Because these are all things a MtF athlete will have due to puberty as a male I can’t say I’ve seen women get any of this stuff from taking PEDsi thought your growth plates had to be open to get taller as far as im aware once they fuse your done growing I’m pretty certain on that too. But Natalie is the expert and she’s failing to actually answer anything I have answer them I would post links directly to the article if it was allowed but you seem to skip those Just google cris cyborg jeff novitzky Just google gabi garcia joe rogen I never claimed to be a expert What I am doing is take experts words for it who are being paid millions to do research in to steroids in spots and the effects on the body In fact jeff is single hand respsble for finding out T-ball and stay in the system for years and leak out give a failed test even though it hasn’t been take Jon Jones case But here I am on fab have agreements with people who think they know better than the people At the leading cutting edge off steroids detection Don’t worry next time I have a word with Dana I mentioned you name and he can contact you Don’t worry I got you set up for the new head off the ufc athletic department in supplement You be on forbs Fortune 500 list in 3 years You stated that 50 per cent of sportswomen are jacked up on steroids, and cited belco as proof. Belco does not prove such prevalence of steroid use. Oooo do a list with 5 million customers names on it split bween men and woman isn’t proof anuff Jessica Penne will miss most of 2018 due to a UFC anti-doping policy violation. The women’s mixed martial arts veteran tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid of exogenous origin following an out-of-competition test in relation to a sample taken March 20, 2017, USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, announced Friday. An anabolic steroid positive usually leads to a two-year suspension, but Penne was able to explain that she was taking a substance that contained the steroid under the care of a physician Sarah Frota suspended two years by USADA for positive steroid test, released from UFC Sarah Frota is not a member of the UFC roster any more following a two-year suspension issued by USADA for a failed drug test in-competition for steroids around UFC 240. Frota, who was stopped by Gillian Robertson at the Edmonton event, had her fate announced in a release by the US Anti-Doping Agency yesterday: “Frota Lima, 32, tested positive for multiple stanozolol metabolites, including 16a-hydroxystanozolol, 3’,16-dihydroxystanozolol, and 4ß,16-dihydroxystanozolol, as the result of an in-competition urine sample she provided on July 27, 2019 at UFC 240 Edmonton, where she lost by Want me to keep going can’t post links to the arctic put can post the text Balco (not belco), did not have 5 million customers I herd different for a lab tech who previously worked there and now works for usdad in a testing lab for the ufc Please - enough about steroids. It is derailing the thread. How is it derailing just because I can pick apart the agrments against why they should compete By saying if you want to base in on X Y Z then any woman athlete that’s failed for steroids Needs to be banned for life because When they took steroids they also developed X Y and Z Because trans women are a completely different issue to female athletes who decide to dope. Totally different ethical situation. And all that's happening is you and others bickering about steroids. But whatever I am the only person saying anything so I am out. "How is it different is X Y Z are the same | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. That's your interpretation, Kylie. There may well be some who object to trans women in female sports because they're transphobic. But you're dismissing all the other valid reasons that people object by just assigning it to transphobia and I think that's unfair. " Im not saying there’s necessarily transphobia underlying in it. I see it more like “I see a man - man shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women” Take it as you will. Some of the comments from news people (especially in America) really would make your skin crawl if they changed the wording to say. Black people. I’m just saying. Im not saying your concerns are from transphobia. On another note, this debate remains, will be interesting to see how this develops over the years. Whether there will be bans, inclusions, new leagues or new rules. I guess there’s not much my opinion or your opinion could do to change in either direction. | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. That's your interpretation, Kylie. There may well be some who object to trans women in female sports because they're transphobic. But you're dismissing all the other valid reasons that people object by just assigning it to transphobia and I think that's unfair. Im not saying there’s necessarily transphobia underlying in it. I see it more like “I see a man - man shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women” Take it as you will. Some of the comments from news people (especially in America) really would make your skin crawl if they changed the wording to say. Black people. I’m just saying. Im not saying your concerns are from transphobia. On another note, this debate remains, will be interesting to see how this develops over the years. Whether there will be bans, inclusions, new leagues or new rules. I guess there’s not much my opinion or your opinion could do to change in either direction. " If I was to guess I’d say that a big portion of women will just refuse to compete against them Then leagues will separate. All the best female athletes will compete in leagues where trans are banned, and the rest will compete in leagues that decided to keep it mixed. Then, because all the best talent is in leagues where trans are banned, there will be literally zero money or media in the other leagues. So trans sports women will be forced to either give up the idea of competing at a professional level, or push for trans only leagues and hope there’s money/media in that | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. That's your interpretation, Kylie. There may well be some who object to trans women in female sports because they're transphobic. But you're dismissing all the other valid reasons that people object by just assigning it to transphobia and I think that's unfair. Im not saying there’s necessarily transphobia underlying in it. I see it more like “I see a man - man shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women” Take it as you will. Some of the comments from news people (especially in America) really would make your skin crawl if they changed the wording to say. Black people. I’m just saying. Im not saying your concerns are from transphobia. On another note, this debate remains, will be interesting to see how this develops over the years. Whether there will be bans, inclusions, new leagues or new rules. I guess there’s not much my opinion or your opinion could do to change in either direction. If I was to guess I’d say that a big portion of women will just refuse to compete against them Then leagues will separate. All the best female athletes will compete in leagues where trans are banned, and the rest will compete in leagues that decided to keep it mixed. Then, because all the best talent is in leagues where trans are banned, there will be literally zero money or media in the other leagues. So trans sports women will be forced to either give up the idea of competing at a professional level, or push for trans only leagues and hope there’s money/media in that " While ultimately the main focus and money will still be primarily on cisgender (omg can I say the word?) male athletes .
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. That's your interpretation, Kylie. There may well be some who object to trans women in female sports because they're transphobic. But you're dismissing all the other valid reasons that people object by just assigning it to transphobia and I think that's unfair. Im not saying there’s necessarily transphobia underlying in it. I see it more like “I see a man - man shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women” Take it as you will. Some of the comments from news people (especially in America) really would make your skin crawl if they changed the wording to say. Black people. I’m just saying. Im not saying your concerns are from transphobia. On another note, this debate remains, will be interesting to see how this develops over the years. Whether there will be bans, inclusions, new leagues or new rules. I guess there’s not much my opinion or your opinion could do to change in either direction. If I was to guess I’d say that a big portion of women will just refuse to compete against them Then leagues will separate. All the best female athletes will compete in leagues where trans are banned, and the rest will compete in leagues that decided to keep it mixed. Then, because all the best talent is in leagues where trans are banned, there will be literally zero money or media in the other leagues. So trans sports women will be forced to either give up the idea of competing at a professional level, or push for trans only leagues and hope there’s money/media in that While ultimately the main focus and money will still be primarily on cisgender (omg can I say the word?) male athletes .
Hmmmm … anyway, we will see. I doubt the trans league will happen because of actual lack of individuals but that’s just my guess "As usual, the focus will be on the athletes that perform the best. If a woman’s football team suddenly joined the mens premier league and won, they’d be getting paid as such. But sadly sports is about popularity and performance. So as long as men are the primary consumers of sports media, and also the top performers in sports, the focus will always be on them. Believe it or not, my local football team doesn’t get much media. And they’re all cis male. And none of them get paid to play. How strange. It’s almost like being better at something dictates the outcomes | |||
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" If a woman’s football team suddenly joined the mens premier league and won, they’d be getting paid as such. But sadly sports is about popularity and performance. So as long as men are the primary consumers of sports media, and also the top performers in sports, the focus will always be on them. Believe it or not, my local football team doesn’t get much media. And they’re all cis male. And none of them get paid to play. How strange. It’s almost like being better at something dictates the outcomes " But why would we expect a women's football team to compete with the guys and beat them? We know that's setting up to fail. The women who play in the Women's Super League ARE top performers in the sport. You have to remember that as a paid, professional sport, women's football is pretty new. Men have had paid pro leagues since the 1880s. Women's pro football started in 2018. How the fuck can anyone expect parity?? | |||
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" If a woman’s football team suddenly joined the mens premier league and won, they’d be getting paid as such. But sadly sports is about popularity and performance. So as long as men are the primary consumers of sports media, and also the top performers in sports, the focus will always be on them. Believe it or not, my local football team doesn’t get much media. And they’re all cis male. And none of them get paid to play. How strange. It’s almost like being better at something dictates the outcomes But why would we expect a women's football team to compete with the guys and beat them? We know that's setting up to fail. The women who play in the Women's Super League ARE top performers in the sport. You have to remember that as a paid, professional sport, women's football is pretty new. Men have had paid pro leagues since the 1880s. Women's pro football started in 2018. How the fuck can anyone expect parity??" hypothetical
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" If a woman’s football team suddenly joined the mens premier league and won, they’d be getting paid as such. But sadly sports is about popularity and performance. So as long as men are the primary consumers of sports media, and also the top performers in sports, the focus will always be on them. Believe it or not, my local football team doesn’t get much media. And they’re all cis male. And none of them get paid to play. How strange. It’s almost like being better at something dictates the outcomes But why would we expect a women's football team to compete with the guys and beat them? We know that's setting up to fail. The women who play in the Women's Super League ARE top performers in the sport. You have to remember that as a paid, professional sport, women's football is pretty new. Men have had paid pro leagues since the 1880s. Women's pro football started in 2018. How the fuck can anyone expect parity?? hypothetical
Just pointing out how the market works. Not actually suggesting women need to beat the mens team "I do my level best to beat the blokes I play against. I genuinely do. I hate it if a guy wrestles the ball off me or beats me in a quick push. But I fucking well try
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"You are absolutely on point about the difference between men and womens football starting. And it’s true in many sports. I completely get why men get paid more than woman. But I fucking hate how there’s much less funding available for womens sports. And I know that’s just a supply demand thing. But I still hate it. I feel pretty passionately about sports, they literally saved my life from drug addiction, so I hate thinking people have to go without due to their gender specific sport not having funding. Especially at younger ages. " you should talk less you embarrass yourself | |||
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"You are absolutely on point about the difference between men and womens football starting. And it’s true in many sports. I completely get why men get paid more than woman. But I fucking hate how there’s much less funding available for womens sports. And I know that’s just a supply demand thing. But I still hate it. I feel pretty passionately about sports, they literally saved my life from drug addiction, so I hate thinking people have to go without due to their gender specific sport not having funding. Especially at younger ages. you should talk less you embarrass yourself " How exactly is he doing that? The drop out of teenage girls out of sports is massive. And it's not about elite athletes it's about grassroots level sport. This does need to be addressed and finding does need to go into it to help retain females in sport. It helps so much with mental health and feeling part of a community. | |||
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" We’re talking generally here Generally, men are bigger, faster and stronger then women Just because the strongest woman at the gym is stronger then the weakest man doesn’t mean we should ignore the facts. As you said. The truth. Men are, in general, physically more capable than women. That’s biology Yes but again, you won’t have every man now switching gender to compete with women. So, my point was. If you have women who have some physical pronounced advantages. Whether they are a volleyball player who’s 6’2” or a Serena Williams. Obviously those women would be in the odds. (Maybe at some point in time, people had the same arguments of fairness for black people - let that simmer!) Just like those 1-2 trans athletes (cos let’s face it the numbers are like that . We aren’t talking hundreds here) who are seen to have anatomical big frames. If you got someone say …small like myself(I’m 5’5”) as an athlete. I guarantee that people would still be MAD over it. And the truth is that people don’t want trans in their lane. Period. Which translates to “ I don’t want you in my bathroom” “and I don’t want you in my spaces” It boils down to that. That's your interpretation, Kylie. There may well be some who object to trans women in female sports because they're transphobic. But you're dismissing all the other valid reasons that people object by just assigning it to transphobia and I think that's unfair. Im not saying there’s necessarily transphobia underlying in it. I see it more like “I see a man - man shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women” Take it as you will. Some of the comments from news people (especially in America) really would make your skin crawl if they changed the wording to say. Black people. I’m just saying. Im not saying your concerns are from transphobia. On another note, this debate remains, will be interesting to see how this develops over the years. Whether there will be bans, inclusions, new leagues or new rules. I guess there’s not much my opinion or your opinion could do to change in either direction. " Hi Kylie. I think they people look at things differently when it comes to sport, compared with other areas of their lives. They may be completely supportive in other areas of their lives, when it comes to their neighbours, friends, work colleagues etc. with a complete live and let live attitude. But sport brings other dynamics into play, whether it is supporting their national team, their local team or an individual competitor, and any hint that their team or individual does not stand a fair chance, they react. The underlying fear is that their favourite athlete or team will do their absolute best, but be beaten by someone that they stood no chance against. For example, Jess Ennis had huge support in the 2012 Olympics. If she was up against a younger Caitlyn Jenner, and got trounced, then some people would have been upset, feeling that Caitlyn had physical advantages from years of training and competing pre-reassignment. I think that’s the fear, that an absolutely top class male athlete will transition and wipe the floor with other competitors. But people are more comfortable with trans participation of there is no threat of them actually winning. For example, when Renee RIchards pushed to be allowed to compete in the US Open, she was already in her 40’s and had been a decent amateur and college player. But if she was a top class male pro in her 20’s, transitioned, and then started winning 3 or 4 grand slam events each year for the next 10-15 years, then I think the reception would have been a lot different. I think that fear, that the team or individual they support will lose out unfairly, is at the heart of the matter, and that doesn’t apply to anywhere near the same extent in other areas of our daily lives. Hope that doesn’t come across as me justifying any stances / views, just trying to say what I think is happening | |||
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"There is so much woke crap on here. It is simple biological fact. If you were born with a Y chromosome you are male! End of. You can identify as whatever you want, have operations and present as whatever you want but the bottom line is chromosomes dictate a persons gender NO a person should only be allowed in sport, toilets, changing rooms as defined by their birth. " this is illuminating
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"There is so much woke crap on here. It is simple biological fact. If you were born with a Y chromosome you are male! End of. You can identify as whatever you want, have operations and present as whatever you want but the bottom line is chromosomes dictate a persons gender NO a person should only be allowed in sport, toilets, changing rooms as defined by their birth. " You don't know the difference between gender and sex - maybe figure that out before you post again? | |||
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"There is so much woke crap on here. It is simple biological fact. If you were born with a Y chromosome you are male! End of. You can identify as whatever you want, have operations and present as whatever you want but the bottom line is chromosomes dictate a persons gender NO a person should only be allowed in sport, toilets, changing rooms as defined by their birth. this is illuminating
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"Maybe it would just be easier to allow anyone, irrespective of gender, to compete together. That would avoid the issues. Can't imagine any problems. Complete equality! " It seems the feminist cyclists are afraid of loosing their privilege. Much like the patriarchy in the early 1900s. Perhaps a trans woman will throw herself in front of a cyclist and galvanise public opinion. | |||
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"Boris says, and please tell me if Tom is wrong, says that people born male should not participate in female sports.. Has Tom misread this ?" What he actually said was... "I don't think biological males should be competing in female sporting events. Maybe that's a controversial thing to say, but it just seems to me to be sensible. "I also happen to think that women should have spaces - whether it's in hospitals, prison or changing rooms - which are dedicated to women. That's as far as my thinking has developed on this issue. "If that puts me in conflict with some others, then we have got to work it all out. It doesn't mean I'm not immensely sympathetic to people who want to change gender, to transition and it's vital we give people the maximum love and support in making those decisions. "These are complex issues and they can't be solved with one swift, easy piece of legislation. It takes a lot of thought to get this right." | |||
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"It's a dead cat. Get us squabbling over culture war issues while they get on with whatever the hell they like while we're not looking." So much. So, so much. | |||
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"Maybe it would just be easier to allow anyone, irrespective of gender, to compete together. That would avoid the issues. Can't imagine any problems. Complete equality! It seems the feminist cyclists are afraid of loosing their privilege. Much like the patriarchy in the early 1900s. Perhaps a trans woman will throw herself in front of a cyclist and galvanise public opinion. " Say what? | |||
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"Maybe it would just be easier to allow anyone, irrespective of gender, to compete together. That would avoid the issues. Can't imagine any problems. Complete equality! It seems the feminist cyclists are afraid of loosing their privilege. Much like the patriarchy in the early 1900s. Perhaps a trans woman will throw herself in front of a cyclist and galvanise public opinion. " Wtf | |||
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"It's a dead cat. Get us squabbling over culture war issues while they get on with whatever the hell they like while we're not looking." The cynic in me totally agrees. | |||
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"Why is it always male to female transgender people appear to have a problem and want to dominate womens spaces and sport whilst, we hear very little from female to male people ? " You know, I was thinking that myself...it's almost as if...there is a fundamental difference between the two....but I wonder what it could be... | |||
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