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By *nJ_NW_cpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

wirral

Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?"
Agree

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

Totally racist and divisive being sought by a couple of premadonnas at the end of their careers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant."

I'm coming out for or against the idea. But, if the colour of one's skin was irrelevant, there would be no need for a black footballer's union.

Recent event have shown clearly - clearly! - that in football, the colour of one's skin is far from irrelevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only racist if you use the word black lol , like saying you like black girls , oops racist , but ok to say hungblack or blackdong etc lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm *not*, even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's no it is not a racist concept and nor is it playing on tio the hands of the racists.

Football has serious problems which are not being addressed by the FA and campaigns like Kick it Out are seemingly just a cursory nod to appease the cynics who feel that the problems are not being tackled. This proposed organisation is to put pressure on to address the inequalities and is far from a new or unique concept.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?"

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like gay pride marches ... when was the last time you saw a 'hetero pride march'? To be proud do you need to flaunt it in someone's face??

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By *nJ_NW_cpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

wirral


"That's no it is not a racist concept and nor is it playing on tio the hands of the racists.

Football has serious problems which are not being addressed by the FA and campaigns like Kick it Out are seemingly just a cursory nod to appease the cynics who feel that the problems are not being tackled. This proposed organisation is to put pressure on to address the inequalities and is far from a new or unique concept."

I agree that more needs to be done but is splitting black players into their own union the answer. All F.A.s need to come down on the supporters who are racist. One possibility would be to make teams play with no home support for a number of games if racism takes place, im sure people can come up with many more.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?"

let me tell you much story about racism in football...

I was/am a central midfielder, and once while playing I was being abused by an opponent, this went on and on and on, everyone heard it, nothing happened... so right at the game he "ran onto the end of my elbow".... I got a red...

asked why I did it, my response was "I was standing up for myself since no one else was going to do anything about it!"

happiest 3 match ban I received.. and if it stopped he abusing others... job done!...

p.s he never abused me again......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is blatantly evident that the 'Kick it out' and 'Respect' campaigns in football are paying nothing more than lip service to the inherent problems within football. Suarez and Terry should have been kicked out of football - as the campaign name implies - but they are worth millions to their respective clubs and and paltry fine amounting to no more than a couple of weeks wages is all that they have been handed.

On that basis, some of the black footballers were entirely justified in refusing to wear the pointless t-shirts issued by their clubs as they clearly will not support a campaign that doesn't follow up when players have been found guilty of racism.

And so, like Fabio said above, black footballers need to form their own union to protect themselves when the FA clearly doesn't want to but wants to be seen to be doing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's like gay pride marches ... when was the last time you saw a 'hetero pride march'? To be proud do you need to flaunt it in someone's face??"

Do you know anything at all about the concept of Gay Pride? In particular it's political origins?

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By *nJ_NW_cpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

wirral


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't"

Yes there are Fabio but if you replace black with white and Bi/Gay/lesbian with straight the complaints would come flooding in. Hopefully one day there will be no need for any of them.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't"

I was just about to say that.

I work for an organisation that has a common goal for all its members but still has different sections within it namely: women, young people, disabled, LGTS, retired and black!

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago


"It's like gay pride marches ... when was the last time you saw a 'hetero pride march'? To be proud do you need to flaunt it in someone's face??"

this is about equality and if it means flaunting it in peoples faces to make people aware that change is needed then im all for it...........big time

Why is it ever ok for one human being to be treated differently to another and for it to be allowed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, will these 'black footballers' still be part of the more mainstream 'footballers union' once they break away and join it?

Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"Totally racist and divisive being sought by a couple of premadonnas at the end of their careers "

OP. The whole point of unions is to promte the interest and ideas of secularised groups in society.

As whites arent exactly a minority - they dont need representation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's no it is not a racist concept and nor is it playing on tio the hands of the racists.

Football has serious problems which are not being addressed by the FA and campaigns like Kick it Out are seemingly just a cursory nod to appease the cynics who feel that the problems are not being tackled. This proposed organisation is to put pressure on to address the inequalities and is far from a new or unique concept.

I agree that more needs to be done but is splitting black players into their own union the answer. All F.A.s need to come down on the supporters who are racist. One possibility would be to make teams play with no home support for a number of games if racism takes place, im sure people can come up with many more."

You are missing the point. This would be as well as, not instead of the current players union.

And as Wishy says this is abouut players on the pitch and the culture of the sport and clubs not just fans behaviour.

And the simplest thing would be to dock points for poor discipline, an extreme reaction but let's face it Chelsea would have been hit much harder by a docking of points.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

(might have given the wrong thumbs up - dont know)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't

Yes there are Fabio but if you replace black with white and Bi/Gay/lesbian with straight the complaints would come flooding in. Hopefully one day there will be no need for any of them."

And how do you propose reaching a time when they aren't needed? Because without groups campaigning to force the equality it is unlikely to happen...

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't

Yes there are Fabio but if you replace black with white and Bi/Gay/lesbian with straight the complaints would come flooding in. Hopefully one day there will be no need for any of them."

To be simplistic, white and heterosexual is the "norm" and have rights and protection as "standard", if you see what I mean.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"It is blatantly evident that the 'Kick it out' and 'Respect' campaigns in football are paying nothing more than lip service to the inherent problems within football. Suarez and Terry should have been kicked out of football - as the campaign name implies - but they are worth millions to their respective clubs and and paltry fine amounting to no more than a couple of weeks wages is all that they have been handed.

On that basis, some of the black footballers were entirely justified in refusing to wear the pointless t-shirts issued by their clubs as they clearly will not support a campaign that doesn't follow up when players have been found guilty of racism.

And so, like Fabio said above, black footballers need to form their own union to protect themselves when the FA clearly doesn't want to but wants to be seen to be doing it."

Agree totally..a simple knowledge of the history of Trade Unions will tell you that they were formed to protect the specific interests of the members of various trades..the notion of solidarity between Unions isn't born out by history.

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By *nJ_NW_cpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

wirral


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't

Yes there are Fabio but if you replace black with white and Bi/Gay/lesbian with straight the complaints would come flooding in. Hopefully one day there will be no need for any of them.

And how do you propose reaching a time when they aren't needed? Because without groups campaigning to force the equality it is unlikely to happen..."

No idea crystal but do you think a union that only let white people in would be seen as racist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor? "

Please give an example.

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

Suarez was unaware of the language he used meaning in this country naive and misguided but why was evra never charged for the abuse he used.

As for terry he knew what he said and what it meant and should of got a 12 match ban but again ferdinand escaped any sanction for the abuse he dished out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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No idea crystal but do you think a union that only let white people in would be seen as racist? "

Are you even reading the responses on the thread? The answer to this question and the very reason why this isn;t racist has already been addressed several times...

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By *nJ_NW_cpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

wirral


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No idea crystal but do you think a union that only let white people in would be seen as racist?

Are you even reading the responses on the thread? The answer to this question and the very reason why this isn;t racist has already been addressed several times...

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You didnt answer this question

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

No, it's not racist. Do people really not understand how society is? White/straight people have the world set up to favour them already. That's why straight pride is not needed, and why any 'white-only' organisation is not needed.

Black people are clearly still the victims of racism, and if they want to form their own organisation to deal with that then that's their prerogative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

Please give an example."

For example, a white player and a black player come to blows on pitch for whatever reason, the black player then says he reacted to a racist comment, brings in the 'black union' and there is uproar! Eeven tho the white player was maybe innocent, he would be hounded!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't

Yes there are Fabio but if you replace black with white and Bi/Gay/lesbian with straight the complaints would come flooding in. Hopefully one day there will be no need for any of them.

And how do you propose reaching a time when they aren't needed? Because without groups campaigning to force the equality it is unlikely to happen...

No idea crystal but do you think a union that only let white people in would be seen as racist? "

Trade unions have various sub groups namely women, young people, disabled, LGTS, retired and black. All under the one union, but it's recognised certain groups have differing concerns.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

Please give an example.

For example, a white player and a black player come to blows on pitch for whatever reason, the black player then says he reacted to a racist comment, brings in the 'black union' and there is uproar! Eeven tho the white player was maybe innocent, he would be hounded!"

Assuming the black player is going to cry foul and the white player innocent? Why be negative about the black player?

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By *nJ_NW_cpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

wirral

I hope however they go forward it puts an end to it as there is no place in todays world for it, I just think this may be playing into the hands of certain them and us groups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

Please give an example.

For example, a white player and a black player come to blows on pitch for whatever reason, the black player then says he reacted to a racist comment, brings in the 'black union' and there is uproar! Eeven tho the white player was maybe innocent, he would be hounded!

Assuming the black player is going to cry foul and the white player innocent? Why be negative about the black player?"

The op asked for an example, i gave him one! All footballers will use every trick in the book to dodge game bans and fines, whether they be black, yellow, pink or white!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

Please give an example.

For example, a white player and a black player come to blows on pitch for whatever reason, the black player then says he reacted to a racist comment, brings in the 'black union' and there is uproar! Eeven tho the white player was maybe innocent, he would be hounded!"

Allegations of racism are already possible. A 'black union' isn't going to magically get the power to have players punished without the legal process being adhered to. If black players made up racist abuse, as you seem to be suggesting they will, they'd soon be caught out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

Please give an example.

For example, a white player and a black player come to blows on pitch for whatever reason, the black player then says he reacted to a racist comment, brings in the 'black union' and there is uproar! Eeven tho the white player was maybe innocent, he would be hounded!

Allegations of racism are already possible. A 'black union' isn't going to magically get the power to have players punished without the legal process being adhered to. If black players made up racist abuse, as you seem to be suggesting they will, they'd soon be caught out.

"

I'm not saying its being done by players, all i'm saying is it would make it a lot easier to do so!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Or will they just use the 'racist' card every time a decision doesn't go in their favor?

Please give an example.

For example, a white player and a black player come to blows on pitch for whatever reason, the black player then says he reacted to a racist comment, brings in the 'black union' and there is uproar! Eeven tho the white player was maybe innocent, he would be hounded!

Assuming the black player is going to cry foul and the white player innocent? Why be negative about the black player?

The op asked for an example, i gave him one! All footballers will use every trick in the book to dodge game bans and fines, whether they be black, yellow, pink or white!"

That's a fairer comment, and I agree. Your previously one made it sound (to me) that you were implying only the black player would call foul.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its a shame that in this day and age, we are still discussing racism and its not been eradicated.

I dont think there should be a break away union as it will water processes down. What i think should be done is have a menu of fines that would be metered out if an indivdual, club or country is found guilty of a racism charg. These should be extrememly punitive and a deterent. eg 20 match ban a 3 month wages fine for an individual, 12 games behind closed doors for a club, expulsion from the next 2 major national touraments for national sides.

Sad as it may seem, I think that with the big money in the game, measures like this would force the clubs to address their players and fans.

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By *he Original TTMan
over a year ago

Brackley, Northants

In answer to the OP's first question, strictly speaking, yes, it would be racist. i.e. if a white player asked to join, he would be turned down on the grounds of race. Ergo, it is a racist organisation in the strictest definition of the word.

However, as many have already pointed out, it is an organisation being proposed to reperesent a minority group, and these are seen and accepted as morally upright and legally acceptable.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"In answer to the OP's first question, strictly speaking, yes, it would be racist. i.e. if a white player asked to join, he would be turned down on the grounds of race. Ergo, it is a racist organisation in the strictest definition of the word.

However, as many have already pointed out, it is an organisation being proposed to reperesent a minority group, and these are seen and accepted as morally upright and legally acceptable.

"

At 52 I couldn't join the young peoples section of my trade union say, doesn't make them ageist. Likewise, a white footballer not being a member doesn't make the organisation racist.

I'm sure if you were in a trade union say, you wouldn't accuse them of being sexist if they didn't allow you to join the womens section within the movement.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

not at all, there are various other examples of this , the Black police officers association is a great example, as there are associations for bi/gay/lesbian groups as well... where they don't work as a completely separate entity, but can deal with areas that a much larger and general association can't"

If its a minority then it's not a racist organisation as pointed out by the gay bi lesbian organisations.

eg if there was a shortage of short people in the police force you could advertise specifically for short people, it's classed as positive Discrimination...

However, we still have sex discrimination in the pricing policies in swinging clubs!!

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By *he Original TTMan
over a year ago

Brackley, Northants


"In answer to the OP's first question, strictly speaking, yes, it would be racist. i.e. if a white player asked to join, he would be turned down on the grounds of race. Ergo, it is a racist organisation in the strictest definition of the word.

However, as many have already pointed out, it is an organisation being proposed to reperesent a minority group, and these are seen and accepted as morally upright and legally acceptable.

At 52 I couldn't join the young peoples section of my trade union say, doesn't make them ageist. Likewise, a white footballer not being a member doesn't make the organisation racist.

I'm sure if you were in a trade union say, you wouldn't accuse them of being sexist if they didn't allow you to join the womens section within the movement. "

Agreed (and I was actually a Union rep many years ago in one of the biggest Unions - And I was a 'young members' rep in addition to being the departmental rep!).

BUT, what I said was a) strictly speaking by dictionary definiton; and b) that it is an organisation in it's own right, NOT a section of a larger organisation.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

This is far from job done but, for once, I think the players are being very astute. The suggestion that they are thinking of setting up a separate union has given the press something to write about. It has given football fans something to talk about. It has highlighted the tokenism the Kick It Out campaign has become.

If this is what is required to make real changes that eliminate racism then I am all for it. Of course I would rather that we as a society had reached a point where racism is not an issue but we're not there yet.

OP - your question has been answered many, many times on this thread.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"This is far from job done but, for once, I think the players are being very astute. The suggestion that they are thinking of setting up a separate union has given the press something to write about. It has given football fans something to talk about. It has highlighted the tokenism the Kick It Out campaign has become.

If this is what is required to make real changes that eliminate racism then I am all for it. Of course I would rather that we as a society had reached a point where racism is not an issue but we're not there yet.

"

tend to agree..

all 'minority sections' within unions have been set up because there was a need for them by the individuals..

many of those individuals would love there to be no need for such like but as you rightly say we are a long way off that point as a society..

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By *aturasqCouple
over a year ago

Hertfordshire

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By *aturasqCouple
over a year ago

Hertfordshire


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

let me tell you much story about racism in football...

I was/am a central midfielder, and once while playing I was being abused by an opponent, this went on and on and on, everyone heard it, nothing happened... so right at the game he "ran onto the end of my elbow".... I got a red...

asked why I did it, my response was "I was standing up for myself since no one else was going to do anything about it!"

happiest 3 match ban I received.. and if it stopped he abusing others... job done!...

p.s he never abused me again......"

Really cannot condone this sort of behaviour - you could have hurt your elbow

Well done !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No in the slightest bit on the actual discussion, but if as a result of any such union being established, it means that Clark Carlisle gets more TV time then what are we waiting for ?

Know fuck all about football (or Unions) but my pupils did widen last week when he was on BBC Breakfast.

Nowt like a good perve whilst ur enjoying ur morning brew

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they want to set up a separate union there is nothing stopping them. However its segregation and promotes what they are trying to stop and may have the opposite effect on what that want.

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By *idsmixedcplCouple
over a year ago

West Midlands


"That's no it is not a racist concept and nor is it playing on tio the hands of the racists.

Football has serious problems which are not being addressed by the FA and campaigns like Kick it Out are seemingly just a cursory nod to appease the cynics who feel that the problems are not being tackled. This proposed organisation is to put pressure on to address the inequalities and is far from a new or unique concept."

Agree, and I presume any player could join as long as they were committed to eradicating racism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's no it is not a racist concept and nor is it playing on tio the hands of the racists.

Football has serious problems which are not being addressed by the FA and campaigns like Kick it Out are seemingly just a cursory nod to appease the cynics who feel that the problems are not being tackled. This proposed organisation is to put pressure on to address the inequalities and is far from a new or unique concept.

Agree, and I presume any player could join as long as they were committed to eradicating racism. "

I wouldn't presume it but you would hope so - to me that would be the way forward. It is clear from some of the responses on here that many still believe that those who are the victims of prejudice and bigotry should just put up with it and that they shouldn't be seen to be complaining. The strongest signal to idiots like that would undoutedly be a multi-cultural breakaway union fighting for equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

John Terry is still the captain of Chelsea after admitting using words on a football pitch that black people find very offensive, that's the bottom line.

Black footballers must wonder how that has been allowed to be the outcome of a disgraceful saga in an environment that appears to be committed to kicking out all forms of racism. Appearing to be committed to a cause is not enough. In most jobs other than football Terry would have faced dismissal.

The problem inherent in the status quo is that it suits the majority or those in control, these people will naturally resist change because it's inconvenient and sometimes uncomfortable, but most of the time that change ends up benefitting society as a whole.

To those who ask the fair question of why some players are considering starting a black union, I ask you this equally fair question.

Why is John Terry still captain of Chelsea Football Club?

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

I ve typed this post several times, and considered wether to post on an emotive subject, so for my tuppence worth...

I have no interest in wether they form a bllack players union or not, ,.. im from a generation that attended football grounds when racist chants were hesrd on a werkly basis, given various factors, including and thanks to campaigns from many different organisations the taunts, racist sometimes religious and others from the terraces towards players and other fans in england has been, nearly eradicated.... If other countries had started campaigns at the same time as the uk the disgraceful scenes in serbia may not have happened, ....

these campaigning organisations have no legislative powers, the disciplinary organisations have to operate within the framework of the laws. The pfa and legal eagles would strenuously defend a player or club who wasnt disciplined accordingly,,

Posters have mentioned john terry, dont forget he was found not guilty in court and yet the f.a. sought to bring action against him, the panel that imposed his ban was an independent panel not an f.a. panel, the action that was handed to him may seem lenient, i d agree, however given the judgement of the panel how can the fa increase the punishment... As i understand his club have also undertaken internal disciplinary proceedings, im not sure if that sanction has been made public...

If theres on thing that these events have shown its that theres more work for the campaign to achieve, but please dont forget its a rare occurance these days..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

If you haven't seen it watch the Clark Carlisle programme that was on BBC3 - Is Football Racist?

Balanced, reasonable and it illustrates really well what people are feeling and why.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I ve typed this post several times, and considered wether to post on an emotive subject, so for my tuppence worth...

I have no interest in wether they form a bllack players union or not, ,.. im from a generation that attended football grounds when racist chants were hesrd on a werkly basis, given various factors, including and thanks to campaigns from many different organisations the taunts, racist sometimes religious and others from the terraces towards players and other fans in england has been, nearly eradicated.... If other countries had started campaigns at the same time as the uk the disgraceful scenes in serbia may not have happened, ....

these campaigning organisations have no legislative powers, the disciplinary organisations have to operate within the framework of the laws. The pfa and legal eagles would strenuously defend a player or club who wasnt disciplined accordingly,,

Posters have mentioned john terry, dont forget he was found not guilty in court and yet the f.a. sought to bring action against him, the panel that imposed his ban was an independent panel not an f.a. panel, the action that was handed to him may seem lenient, i d agree, however given the judgement of the panel how can the fa increase the punishment... As i understand his club have also undertaken internal disciplinary proceedings, im not sure if that sanction has been made public...

If theres on thing that these events have shown its that theres more work for the campaign to achieve, but please dont forget its a rare occurance these days..

"

What's a rare occurrence?

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over a year ago


"If you haven't seen it watch the Clark Carlisle programme that was on BBC3 - Is Football Racist?

Balanced, reasonable and it illustrates really well what people are feeling and why."

I shall watch that but I dare say the words will just be blah, blah, blah and I shall be found shortly afterwards in a pool of my own dribble

(even managed to get a footballing pun in at the end there lol)

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over a year ago


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?"

It should be the football players union.

People are making too many waves about the colour of skin.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

let me tell you much story about racism in football...

I was/am a central midfielder, and once while playing I was being abused by an opponent, this went on and on and on, everyone heard it, nothing happened... so right at the game he "ran onto the end of my elbow".... I got a red...

asked why I did it, my response was "I was standing up for myself since no one else was going to do anything about it!"

happiest 3 match ban I received.. and if it stopped he abusing others... job done!...

p.s he never abused me again......"

Which is worse ? name calling or violence ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"If you haven't seen it watch the Clark Carlisle programme that was on BBC3 - Is Football Racist?

Balanced, reasonable and it illustrates really well what people are feeling and why.

I shall watch that but I dare say the words will just be blah, blah, blah and I shall be found shortly afterwards in a pool of my own dribble

(even managed to get a footballing pun in at the end there lol)"

I almost didn't watch it because it had football in the title! I didn't know I would have the pleasant surprise of CC on my screen before falling asleep.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

It should be the football players union.

People are making too many waves about the colour of skin."

I can't let that lie... what and how many waves are acceptable?

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)


"I ve typed this post several times, and considered wether to post on an emotive subject, so for my tuppence worth...

I have no interest in wether they form a bllack players union or not, ,.. im from a generation that attended football grounds when racist chants were hesrd on a werkly basis, given various factors, including and thanks to campaigns from many different organisations the taunts, racist sometimes religious and others from the terraces towards players and other fans in england has been, nearly eradicated.... If other countries had started campaigns at the same time as the uk the disgraceful scenes in serbia may not have happened, ....

these campaigning organisations have no legislative powers, the disciplinary organisations have to operate within the framework of the laws. The pfa and legal eagles would strenuously defend a player or club who wasnt disciplined accordingly,,

Posters have mentioned john terry, dont forget he was found not guilty in court and yet the f.a. sought to bring action against him, the panel that imposed his ban was an independent panel not an f.a. panel, the action that was handed to him may seem lenient, i d agree, however given the judgement of the panel how can the fa increase the punishment... As i understand his club have also undertaken internal disciplinary proceedings, im not sure if that sanction has been made public...

If theres on thing that these events have shown its that theres more work for the campaign to achieve, but please dont forget its a rare occurance these days..

What's a rare occurrence? "

My definition is not a common occurance, whats yours.?

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By *pple10Man
over a year ago

Retford

I play semi professional football at conference prem standard, their is very little racism which we hear on the pitch but the bit we do hear tends to be a 50/50 split of who's saying the comments. I think throughout the full tiers of football we are trying to get the message across to unite as 1. Taking that into consideration I think we should stick to a football union not to a 'black' or 'white' union all grow up a little and just support our individuals, team and country!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it the same as the Black Police Federation I dont understand why its segregation to me.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

As a young lad I was lucky enough to see three great players with West Bromwich Albion shirts. Regis, Cunningham and Batson all black and all great players. The home fans used to throw bananas on the pitch at them, I asked my father and Greandfather why people were doing that, the answer off both was because they were stupid and not educated in the ways of the world.

I've been talking to my father about some black players not wearing the kick it out t-shirts and the answer I got off him was if they think it is not working then they need to do something about it, change it and help make it work. The three degrees as they were known stopped a fair bit of the abuse by scoring and playing their hearts out. As a foot note Jason Roberts is Regis's nephew.

It up to all people, black white, pink or blue to stand up to racism not just in football but everywhere it occurs

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Is it the same as the Black Police Federation I dont understand why its segregation to me."

I am never going to deny that as people we segregate ourselves in many ways. However, do you understand the societal and power issues of segregation? We use the word segregated when what actually happens is a group is ostracised and excluded, legally deemed significantly different to not be considered or treated in the same way and to infer one is inferior to the other.

Creating an interest group to fight an injustice, deal with specific issues is not segregation. Just speak to some of those that experienced segregation and you will get some idea of how much this casual use of the word is so inaccurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

It should be the football players union.

People are making too many waves about the colour of skin.

I can't let that lie... what and how many waves are acceptable?"

People are people, irrelevent of any race, creed, religion and so on.

A comment made in jest can be made into a serious accusation.

If someone calls someone a name these days such as, pikey, mick, jock, taff etc. It isn't really classed as racist unless the do-gooders who have nothing better to do step in to make a rod for other peoples back.

This was quoted to me by my friend, Mr Singh, he is fed up of people making his mind for him about what he thinks is right or wrong for him.

If someone calls him because of his colour, HE wantst sort it out, not the do-gooders.

If he wants to join a club, be it cricket, football, bowls or whatever, there is a word at the end of these clubs, TEAM.

Where has team spirit gone?

Why should there be an exlusive team, within a team?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

It should be the football players union.

People are making too many waves about the colour of skin.

I can't let that lie... what and how many waves are acceptable?

People are people, irrelevent of any race, creed, religion and so on.

A comment made in jest can be made into a serious accusation.

If someone calls someone a name these days such as, pikey, mick, jock, taff etc. It isn't really classed as racist unless the do-gooders who have nothing better to do step in to make a rod for other peoples back.

This was quoted to me by my friend, Mr Singh, he is fed up of people making his mind for him about what he thinks is right or wrong for him.

If someone calls him because of his colour, HE wantst sort it out, not the do-gooders.

If he wants to join a club, be it cricket, football, bowls or whatever, there is a word at the end of these clubs, TEAM.

Where has team spirit gone?

Why should there be an exlusive team, within a team?"

A black footballer's union has a requirement for it's members to be black, it isn't a requirement for black footballers to join it though. That part is optional.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I ve typed this post several times, and considered wether to post on an emotive subject, so for my tuppence worth...

I have no interest in wether they form a bllack players union or not, ,.. im from a generation that attended football grounds when racist chants were hesrd on a werkly basis, given various factors, including and thanks to campaigns from many different organisations the taunts, racist sometimes religious and others from the terraces towards players and other fans in england has been, nearly eradicated.... If other countries had started campaigns at the same time as the uk the disgraceful scenes in serbia may not have happened, ....

these campaigning organisations have no legislative powers, the disciplinary organisations have to operate within the framework of the laws. The pfa and legal eagles would strenuously defend a player or club who wasnt disciplined accordingly,,

Posters have mentioned john terry, dont forget he was found not guilty in court and yet the f.a. sought to bring action against him, the panel that imposed his ban was an independent panel not an f.a. panel, the action that was handed to him may seem lenient, i d agree, however given the judgement of the panel how can the fa increase the punishment... As i understand his club have also undertaken internal disciplinary proceedings, im not sure if that sanction has been made public...

If theres on thing that these events have shown its that theres more work for the campaign to achieve, but please dont forget its a rare occurance these days..

What's a rare occurrence?

My definition is not a common occurance, whats yours.?"

I was unsure what the rare occurrence in your post referred to, I didn't want to assume. But thanks for your response, my assumption about you would have been correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe they class themselves as a minority so need to form a union

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"maybe they class themselves as a minority so need to form a union"

It's a footballers union primarily and they're already in one of those

Professional footballers are a minority

Joey Barton had to interesting thins to say on twitter today.By and large I agree with him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would this not be a racist organisation? If there was a white footballers union that would be classed as racist so why not the other way around? If you are a footballer and wish to be in a union surely it should be a footballers union and the colour of your skin should be irrelevant. Would this not just play into the hands of the racists?

It should be the football players union.

People are making too many waves about the colour of skin.

I can't let that lie... what and how many waves are acceptable?

People are people, irrelevent of any race, creed, religion and so on.

A comment made in jest can be made into a serious accusation.

If someone calls someone a name these days such as, pikey, mick, jock, taff etc. It isn't really classed as racist unless the do-gooders who have nothing better to do step in to make a rod for other peoples back.

This was quoted to me by my friend, Mr Singh, he is fed up of people making his mind for him about what he thinks is right or wrong for him.

If someone calls him because of his colour, HE wantst sort it out, not the do-gooders.

If he wants to join a club, be it cricket, football, bowls or whatever, there is a word at the end of these clubs, TEAM.

Where has team spirit gone?

Why should there be an exlusive team, within a team?

A black footballer's union has a requirement for it's members to be black, it isn't a requirement for black footballers to join it though. That part is optional."

It seems like they want to segregate themselves.

If segregation was forced upon them there would be an uproar.

The world seems to be heading backwards.

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)


"I ve typed this post several times, and considered wether to post on an emotive subject, so for my tuppence worth...

I have no interest in wether they form a bllack players union or not, ,.. im from a generation that attended football grounds when racist chants were hesrd on a werkly basis, given various factors, including and thanks to campaigns from many different organisations the taunts, racist sometimes religious and others from the terraces towards players and other fans in england has been, nearly eradicated.... If other countries had started campaigns at the same time as the uk the disgraceful scenes in serbia may not have happened, ....

these campaigning organisations have no legislative powers, the disciplinary organisations have to operate within the framework of the laws. The pfa and legal eagles would strenuously defend a player or club who wasnt disciplined accordingly,,

Posters have mentioned john terry, dont forget he was found not guilty in court and yet the f.a. sought to bring action against him, the panel that imposed his ban was an independent panel not an f.a. panel, the action that was handed to him may seem lenient, i d agree, however given the judgement of the panel how can the fa increase the punishment... As i understand his club have also undertaken internal disciplinary proceedings, im not sure if that sanction has been made public...

If theres on thing that these events have shown its that theres more work for the campaign to achieve, but please dont forget its a rare occurance these days..

What's a rare occurrence?

My definition is not a common occurance, whats yours.?

I was unsure what the rare occurrence in your post referred to, I didn't want to assume. But thanks for your response, my assumption about you would have been correct."

And what assumption would that be..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A black footballer's union has a requirement for it's members to be black, it isn't a requirement for black footballers to join it though. That part is optional.

It seems like they want to segregate themselves.

If segregation was forced upon them there would be an uproar.

The world seems to be heading backwards."

I disagree, and I applaud the actions of some black footballers recently who have refused to wear the t-shirt of a campaign that has proven itself to be a toothless tiger. If the FA/FIFA/UEFA do not take punitive action against those found guilty of racism then it makes anything they say regarding the issue and nothing more than lip service, and ultimately, pointless.

It's very much a question of: We've tried it your way and your way hasn't worked, now we'll try it our own way.

It will be interesting to see if football governing bodies take a black player's federation seriously though, and what action black players will take if they aren't taken seriously.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"A black footballer's union has a requirement for it's members to be black, it isn't a requirement for black footballers to join it though. That part is optional.

It seems like they want to segregate themselves.

If segregation was forced upon them there would be an uproar.

The world seems to be heading backwards.

I disagree, and I applaud the actions of some black footballers recently who have refused to wear the t-shirt of a campaign that has proven itself to be a toothless tiger. If the FA/FIFA/UEFA do not take punitive action against those found guilty of racism then it makes anything they say regarding the issue and nothing more than lip service, and ultimately, pointless.

It's very much a question of: We've tried it your way and your way hasn't worked, now we'll try it our own way.

It will be interesting to see if football governing bodies take a black player's federation seriously though, and what action black players will take if they aren't taken seriously. "

That will be the central issue. I am not convinced they will go ahead but as a campaign to raise the discussion it's doing well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A black footballer's union has a requirement for it's members to be black, it isn't a requirement for black footballers to join it though. That part is optional.

It seems like they want to segregate themselves.

If segregation was forced upon them there would be an uproar.

The world seems to be heading backwards.

I disagree, and I applaud the actions of some black footballers recently who have refused to wear the t-shirt of a campaign that has proven itself to be a toothless tiger. If the FA/FIFA/UEFA do not take punitive action against those found guilty of racism then it makes anything they say regarding the issue and nothing more than lip service, and ultimately, pointless.

It's very much a question of: We've tried it your way and your way hasn't worked, now we'll try it our own way.

It will be interesting to see if football governing bodies take a black player's federation seriously though, and what action black players will take if they aren't taken seriously. "

Fair play.

I don't even begin to try and understand football or its politics.

My point was about teamship and why just black people? Its just a colour, the same as Italian, chinese, greek, etc all having different coloured skin.

Surely a team should play and stay together on such matters.

ALL players get abuse on and off the pitch, all the more reason to stick together.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"That's no it is not a racist concept and nor is it playing on tio the hands of the racists.

Football has serious problems which are not being addressed by the FA and campaigns like Kick it Out are seemingly just a cursory nod to appease the cynics who feel that the problems are not being tackled. This proposed organisation is to put pressure on to address the inequalities and is far from a new or unique concept.

Agree, and I presume any player could join as long as they were committed to eradicating racism. "

The lawyer acting on their behalf said on the radio yesterday that the term black meant non-whites and that whites would not be able to join. Then later he said that whites would be able to join if they agreed with the objectives of the union. Funny really, I'm sure I've heard Nick Griffin say something similar about membership of the (racist) BNP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as the old saying goes .. there is strength in numbers.

incidents like the ones mentioned in the media recently while unfortunate illustrate they occur within the sport .

Personally don't see anything negative in those who are likely to experience a certain form of discrimination having a support network of other similarly predisposed persons to glean support from and unite together should further action be required.

although it is unfortunate when team spirit within sport is undermined by that type of divisive culture.

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