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"similar question rased in "snobbery" thread posted i think it same questions and same answers to some extent ishhh "why cant people just be who thay are ? | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. " Amen to that Wolf 
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"similar question rased in "snobbery" thread posted i think it same questions and same answers to some extent ishhh why cant people just be who thay are ?"possibly because for some reason they may think people will think more of them if they are,this or that or what ever,and try to be what they percieve people like,or impresses | |||
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"similar question rased in "snobbery" thread posted i think it same questions and same answers to some extent ishhh why cant people just be who thay are ? possibly because for some reason they may think people will think more of them if they are,this or that or what ever,and try to be what they percieve people like,or impresses"people are who they are no matter what thay have or dont . In hospital yesterday it bring thing to new levels when you see old and young so ill ... | |||
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"similar question rased in "snobbery" thread posted i think it same questions and same answers to some extent ishhh why cant people just be who thay are ? possibly because for some reason they may think people will think more of them if they are,this or that or what ever,and try to be what they percieve people like,or impresses people are who they are no matter what thay have or dont . In hospital yesterday it bring thing to new levels when you see old and young so ill ... "Some people live in a bubble Jo, some people like people to think they are educated when they are not, some people are the other end of the spectrum and say they are not educated when they are, some do it so they get better thought of, some people play for the sympathy vote. Some people battle with tragedy, illness, and life experiences that change them as a person, some people say they do. Its not rocket science, its human nature it seems. | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. " yes _iew best post of year for me here on fab. x | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. " The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to. | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to." I don't work in order to survive, if you do personally then that's your life and you are living it the way you want to. I work to enjoy a better life, to be able to afford the lifestyle that I personally enjoy. We are not all the same.....well worth remembering the power and rights of the individual. | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to. I don't work in order to survive, if you do personally then that's your life and you are living it the way you want to. I work to enjoy a better life, to be able to afford the lifestyle that I personally enjoy. We are not all the same.....well worth remembering the power and rights of the individual." Well you have clearly failed to understand my point. Incidentally, do you know what the Protestant work ethic is or what its origins are? | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to." Use my words in any way you wish, all the best | |||
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"Gosh, isn't it a lovely day?? "What right have you got to say that ? Just leave the day to be what it wants to be. What about all the other days? Are you saying that they were not lovely ? | |||
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"isnt it the role of a sponger and a scrounger to keep the strivers in fear that one day it might be them workless ? The truth is we have never had full employment in this country and we never will. Apparently there are 8 peeps chasing every job. So are the 7 that dont get the job spongers and scroungers ? Do the strivers moan about spongers and scroungers because they are jealous or is it an attempt to raise self esteem ?" | |||
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"Hi, just to answer your rant about spongers. I worked hard all my life, had a bike accident so can't do so now but my wife works to support us. STILL PEOPLE STILL LOOK AT ME AS A SCROUNGER JUST BECAUSE I'M IN A WHEELCHAIR. stop picking on people less fortunate than yourselves and remember IT COULD BE YOUR TURN if some idiot on the road does to you what they did to me lol!" the people who are my neighbours consist of very young single mothers who knock out kid after kid and have never worked, lowlifes who have just been released from prison and they spend their days and evenings drinking and arguing and generally making my life a misery. Nowhere in my thread did I mention people with disabilities who are unable to work. My dad has been unable to work for the last 25 years due to a disability and I have a severely disabled nephew. So before tou judge me for my judgements maybe you should have asked me to clarify who I was referring to. I understand that it isn't easy with the recession and people have been made unemployed. I wasn't referring to those people, I was referring to the lazy, long term unemployed who could work but cant be arsed to. And before I get shot down again by any single moms, I am a single mom, worked since I was 16, had 6 months maternity leave and have worked ever since so it can be done! If I'm a snob for despising the lazy arsed scroungers who just think they are entitled to benefits then yes I am! | |||
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"Gosh, isn't it a lovely day??
What right have you got to say that ?
Just leave the day to be what it wants to be.
What about all the other days? Are you saying that they were not lovely ?"Oh, every day is equally lovely and has the right to be so!  | |||
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"I will always knock a scumbag chav and spongers. Should we just accept them? Unfortunately I live next to a fair few who make the rest of our lives a misery so I am far from accepting " This...
Ok some so called 'chavs' dont deserve the lable..some young people are jobless through no fault of their own..many want to work but cant get jobs because half of Eastern Europe have them...you will always have the 'haves and the have nots'...not everyone is educated or capable of being educated enough to land a top job..they have to take what they are capable of doing..
But some young people do themselves no favours at all and deserve the shit existence they live..they seem to think 'chav' is a compliment..no ambition, crap morals, junkies, work shy..so yeh I reserve the right to look down at them..
That said..the government dont help..insisting a lot of these people get off their ares and find work..yeh its as easy as that is it???...WHAT BLOODY WORK?????
Perhaps if we stop selling out to foreign investors we might actually have a sound commercial platform to create jobs, instead of being a franchise for the rest of the world.
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to." Oddly many a large sum prize winners under the age of 50 claim the sercet to a happy life is to continue working... in some form or another. In its simplest terms it relates to Maslow. | |||
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"I will always knock a scumbag chav and spongers. Should we just accept them? Unfortunately I live next to a fair few who make the rest of our lives a misery so I am far from accepting " | |||
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"ROLMFAO at "spongers" ." whats ROLMFAO?  | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to. Oddly many a large sum prize winners under the age of 50 claim the sercet to a happy life is to continue working... in some form or another. In its simplest terms it relates to Maslow." How does that relate to Maslow? Big prize winners (etc) have surely moved up the hierarchy of needs due to their win? Not sure what you mean.  | |||
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"ROLMFAO at "spongers" .whats ROLMFAO? "Rolling Over Laughing My Fucking Ass Off (I had to google it ) | |||
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"I will always knock a scumbag chav and spongers. Should we just accept them? Unfortunately I live next to a fair few who make the rest of our lives a misery so I am far from accepting This...
Ok some so called 'chavs' dont deserve the lable..some young people are jobless through no fault of their own..many want to work but cant get jobs because half of Eastern Europe have them...you will always have the 'haves and the have nots'...not everyone is educated or capable of being educated enough to land a top job..they have to take what they are capable of doing..
But some young people do themselves no favours at all and deserve the shit existence they live..they seem to think 'chav' is a compliment..no ambition, crap morals, junkies, work shy..so yeh I reserve the right to look down at them..
That said..the government dont help..insisting a lot of these people get off their ares and find work..yeh its as easy as that is it???...WHAT BLOODY WORK?????
Perhaps if we stop selling out to foreign investors we might actually have a sound commercial platform to create jobs, instead of being a franchise for the rest of the world.
"Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better" ..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back. | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back." | |||
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"this world delivers the cruelest of blows to people from all walks of life, we never know what the years ahead will bring......... people may have things one day, gone the next. work hard, be proud, help others who may need a hand up to go on and achieve great things & celebrate what you have achieved with the ones you love. The Protestant work ethic rears its head again.... there is nothing virtuous about working. It is simply what we do in order to survive. Personally I wouldn't work if I didn't need to. I don't work in order to survive, if you do personally then that's your life and you are living it the way you want to. I work to enjoy a better life, to be able to afford the lifestyle that I personally enjoy. We are not all the same.....well worth remembering the power and rights of the individual." What I believe you are saying is that you've chosen to work at a certain level that allows you to enjoy more than what you perceive as working to just survive, unless you've inherited great wealth, discovered the location of the pot at the end of the rainbow, or are TOTALLY self sufficient then we all work to survive, I suggest you still have to work when being self sufficient and its probably tougher than a 9-5... | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back." If you go back far enough this island would be virtually empty as we are all immigrants! We are a mix of many peoples' And that's what many fail to acknowledge or are ignorant of! | |||
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"I couldn't care less for protestant work ethics or any other sociologists theories, I live my life by my own values and beliefs and not by those of any other person. As I said before, my (our) work ethic and it's subsequent rewards in life are an individual choice and have very little impact upon anyone else apart from me and mine.... I relate to my (our) own actions and not to theories of scholars." Arrogance born of ignorance........ | |||
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"isnt it the role of a sponger and a scrounger to keep the strivers in fear that one day it might be them workless ? The truth is we have never had full employment in this country and we never will. Apparently there are 8 peeps chasing every job. So are the 7 that dont get the job spongers and scroungers ? Do the strivers moan about spongers and scroungers because they are jealous or is it an attempt to raise self esteem ?" Of course it is. Unemployment, as Sir Humphrey Appleby once told Jim Hacker, could be got rid of by any government very easily. The fact is though that capitalism needs a pool of unemployed people for precisely the reason you have said. In a planned economy on the other hand that pool is not necessary and that is why there was no unemployment in the Soviet bloc. There are other reasons why unemployed people are needed in our capitalist economy too. Where would all the civil servants who work for the DWP be without them. And the companies who provide the computers, the software, do the building and maintenance? the companies who run the various schemes? And why are they unemployed in the first place? Would not most people work if working was worth their while? Where we live, the average rent for a one bedroomed flat is £650 pcm and many people work in the hospitality and catering industry for the minimum wage. To me these people are being grossly exploited and if I were one of them I would jack in my job, go on benefits and work cash in hand. Fortunately I am well paid for what I do, and if some of my tax goes on benefits for people like that then fine, and good luck to them! | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back. If you go back far enough this island would be virtually empty as we are all immigrants! We are a mix of many peoples' And that's what many fail to acknowledge or are ignorant of! " In the nicest possible way I am afraid that in this it is you who are ignorant. Leaving aside the very small amount of blood contributed to the modern English by immigrants (and it is very small, whatever Nick Puffin and the BNP would have us believe) we are, as one historian puts it, "a largely germanic people speaking a largely germanic language". However I agree with your _iew. To blame immigrants and other ethnic minorities for our ills is very easy, as Hitler realised,but wrong. It is unregulated capitalism which is responsible for the mess we and most of the rest of the world is in. It capitalism too which wants lots of immigrants partly so they can buy their products and partly for cheap labour. And to those who go on about East Europeans, i would suggest you forego your two weeks gorging and guzzling in Lanzagrotty and travel around the Continent to see how many British people live and work there. A million in Spain to start with not to mention the hundreds of thousands in France and Germany. And what about the good old greedy, grasping British property speculators who are pushing the price of property purchase and rentals in Bulgaria and Romania, Greece and Portugal? | |||
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"Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better" See, I'm a bit mixed on this as, lets face it, we've all seen "British citizens" who quite frankly just don't want to work. And the problem is that the government has made it more worth their while to stay unemployed than to get a job. - Let's see, you get money, a house/rent paid for you, free prescriptions and dental treatment, (I don't know if it ever came into effect but I remember talks of giving people on benefits half-price travel at some point), you can get help towards college courses, have your childcare paid for you... I'm sure there are some I've missed but you get the general jist of it. And I think the first thing that needs tackling is taking some of those things and making it more worthwhile for people who work (ergo, more people who don't want to work will see more reason to get a job). - And before people jump on my back, I'm not including disabilities or people with illness there. As for immigration I have also seen first-hand how ethnic minorities jump the housing queue, and yes, this also needs to change! And my problem is not with the people who come here to work, but the ones who come here and sit on their arses. I think there should be a new rule introduced that anyone who wishes to come here should prove that they've made an effort to learn the language, they should be put in a hostel so that they have the basic living utilities they need, and if they don't have a job within 6 months, they get sent back (I know it sounds harsh, but we have to do SOMETHING for our own good for once). If they then manage to get a job, support them in finding somewhere to rent (but don't pay for it) and let them get on with it. To be honest it's a bit easier to get a job now because a lot of the Polish workers have gone home. I'll admit that I was once fuming because I lost out to a £350pw scaffolding trade receptionist job (here!) because I couldn't speak Polish and my opinion was "why should I lose out because I can't speak THEIR language? If they're coming to work here they should have to learn to speak English!". I'm not gonna lie that that caused a lot of hate/discrimination in me but that is now in the past and I have come to appreciate how hard some people work to come here and get jobs. But yeah, if you're still alive after reading my essay, that's my 2 pennies worth (or £200). Off to buy a bullet-proof vest now! - Amy. x | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back. If you go back far enough this island would be virtually empty as we are all immigrants! We are a mix of many peoples' And that's what many fail to acknowledge or are ignorant of! In the nicest possible way I am afraid that in this it is you who are ignorant. Leaving aside the very small amount of blood contributed to the modern English by immigrants (and it is very small, whatever Nick Puffin and the BNP would have us believe) we are, as one historian puts it, "a largely germanic people speaking a largely germanic language". However I agree with your _iew. To blame immigrants and other ethnic minorities for our ills is very easy, as Hitler realised,but wrong. It is unregulated capitalism which is responsible for the mess we and most of the rest of the world is in. It capitalism too which wants lots of immigrants partly so they can buy their products and partly for cheap labour. And to those who go on about East Europeans, i would suggest you forego your two weeks gorging and guzzling in Lanzagrotty and travel around the Continent to see how many British people live and work there. A million in Spain to start with not to mention the hundreds of thousands in France and Germany. And what about the good old greedy, grasping British property speculators who are pushing the price of property purchase and rentals in Bulgaria and Romania, Greece and Portugal? " The Beeb are running a prog tonight 3rd and final part about mans origins.... Neandathol first night and one of the other 5 species last night.., As far as being Germanic I take it your are ref to Saxons, well don't forget we had angles (as far as we know the original peoples that settled here on the journey across mainland Europe out of Africa) celts and various others that travelled with the Romans, Nordic tribes also settled here and around the various coasts including Ireland. | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back. If you go back far enough this island would be virtually empty as we are all immigrants! We are a mix of many peoples' And that's what many fail to acknowledge or are ignorant of! In the nicest possible way I am afraid that in this it is you who are ignorant. Leaving aside the very small amount of blood contributed to the modern English by immigrants (and it is very small, whatever Nick Puffin and the BNP would have us believe) we are, as one historian puts it, "a largely germanic people speaking a largely germanic language". However I agree with your _iew. To blame immigrants and other ethnic minorities for our ills is very easy, as Hitler realised,but wrong. It is unregulated capitalism which is responsible for the mess we and most of the rest of the world is in. It capitalism too which wants lots of immigrants partly so they can buy their products and partly for cheap labour. And to those who go on about East Europeans, i would suggest you forego your two weeks gorging and guzzling in Lanzagrotty and travel around the Continent to see how many British people live and work there. A million in Spain to start with not to mention the hundreds of thousands in France and Germany. And what about the good old greedy, grasping British property speculators who are pushing the price of property purchase and rentals in Bulgaria and Romania, Greece and Portugal? The Beeb are running a prog tonight 3rd and final part about mans origins.... Neandathol first night and one of the other 5 species last night.., As far as being Germanic I take it your are ref to Saxons, well don't forget we had angles (as far as we know the original peoples that settled here on the journey across mainland Europe out of Africa) celts and various others that travelled with the Romans, Nordic tribes also settled here and around the various coasts including Ireland." Well without wishing to sound as if I am bragging, I am an historian, and my area of expertise is precisely the area to which you are referring. Bede is our main source for what historians refer to as 'the coming of the English". He tells us that the three main peoples were the Angles, Saxons and Jutes (all Germanic). Precopious of )Ceasaria adds Frisians (another Germanic people) and that is borne out by linguistic evidence (Frisian is the language most closely related to English) and place name evidence (Friston, which means settlement of the Frisians, for example).Archaeological evidence also indicates a Frankish element (the Franks were also a Germanic people). All these people referred to the language they spoke as 'Englisc' (pronounced English). The Vikings who came between the late eighth century and the eleventh were of course Scandianavians mainly Danes and Norwegians. The Scandinavians belong to the Germanic family of races and languages and speakers of Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) and speakers of Old Norse could understand each other. With reference to Celts well, leaving aside the question debated by scholars as to whether or not there was such a thing as the Celtic race in the first place, the question of how many of the "Celtic' people who inhabited what is now England survived after the coming of the English tribes has been much debated by historians and still is.But the historical evidence ie documentary, the archaeological evidence, the place name evidence (English place names are overwhelmingly Germanic) , the anthropological evidence and most formidably of all the linguistic evidence all strongly indicate that very few of them survived (There are only thirteen words of Celtic origin in the English language. Had substantial numbers of Celts survived the coming of the English we should expect to have seen this reflected in the language. And if it is to be argued that a small group of Germanic warriors imposed their language on a larger group of conquered Celts, then en explanation needs to be provided as to why there are no parallels for this. In cases where we know that the conquerors of a people were numerically inferior to them, as in the cases of the Franks in Gaul, the Vikings in Normandy, and the Normans in England, the conquerors ended up speaking the language of their subject peoples. | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back. If you go back far enough this island would be virtually empty as we are all immigrants! We are a mix of many peoples' And that's what many fail to acknowledge or are ignorant of! In the nicest possible way I am afraid that in this it is you who are ignorant. Leaving aside the very small amount of blood contributed to the modern English by immigrants (and it is very small, whatever Nick Puffin and the BNP would have us believe) we are, as one historian puts it, "a largely germanic people speaking a largely germanic language". However I agree with your _iew. To blame immigrants and other ethnic minorities for our ills is very easy, as Hitler realised,but wrong. It is unregulated capitalism which is responsible for the mess we and most of the rest of the world is in. It capitalism too which wants lots of immigrants partly so they can buy their products and partly for cheap labour. And to those who go on about East Europeans, i would suggest you forego your two weeks gorging and guzzling in Lanzagrotty and travel around the Continent to see how many British people live and work there. A million in Spain to start with not to mention the hundreds of thousands in France and Germany. And what about the good old greedy, grasping British property speculators who are pushing the price of property purchase and rentals in Bulgaria and Romania, Greece and Portugal? The Beeb are running a prog tonight 3rd and final part about mans origins.... Neandathol first night and one of the other 5 species last night.., As far as being Germanic I take it your are ref to Saxons, well don't forget we had angles (as far as we know the original peoples that settled here on the journey across mainland Europe out of Africa) celts and various others that travelled with the Romans, Nordic tribes also settled here and around the various coasts including Ireland. Well without wishing to sound as if I am bragging, I am an historian, and my area of expertise is precisely the area to which you are referring. Bede is our main source for what historians refer to as 'the coming of the English". He tells us that the three main peoples were the Angles, Saxons and Jutes (all Germanic). Precopious of )Ceasaria adds Frisians (another Germanic people) and that is borne out by linguistic evidence (Frisian is the language most closely related to English) and place name evidence (Friston, which means settlement of the Frisians, for example).Archaeological evidence also indicates a Frankish element (the Franks were also a Germanic people). All these people referred to the language they spoke as 'Englisc' (pronounced English). The Vikings who came between the late eighth century and the eleventh were of course Scandianavians mainly Danes and Norwegians. The Scandinavians belong to the Germanic family of races and languages and speakers of Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) and speakers of Old Norse could understand each other. With reference to Celts well, leaving aside the question debated by scholars as to whether or not there was such a thing as the Celtic race in the first place, the question of how many of the "Celtic' people who inhabited what is now England survived after the coming of the English tribes has been much debated by historians and still is.But the historical evidence ie documentary, the archaeological evidence, the place name evidence (English place names are overwhelmingly Germanic) , the anthropological evidence and most formidably of all the linguistic evidence all strongly indicate that very few of them survived (There are only thirteen words of Celtic origin in the English language. Had substantial numbers of Celts survived the coming of the English we should expect to have seen this reflected in the language. And if it is to be argued that a small group of Germanic warriors imposed their language on a larger group of conquered Celts, then en explanation needs to be provided as to why there are no parallels for this. In cases where we know that the conquerors of a people were numerically inferior to them, as in the cases of the Franks in Gaul, the Vikings in Normandy, and the Normans in England, the conquerors ended up speaking the language of their subject peoples. " I shall regard Historians in an entirely different light now!! | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back. If you go back far enough this island would be virtually empty as we are all immigrants! We are a mix of many peoples' And that's what many fail to acknowledge or are ignorant of! In the nicest possible way I am afraid that in this it is you who are ignorant. Leaving aside the very small amount of blood contributed to the modern English by immigrants (and it is very small, whatever Nick Puffin and the BNP would have us believe) we are, as one historian puts it, "a largely germanic people speaking a largely germanic language". However I agree with your _iew. To blame immigrants and other ethnic minorities for our ills is very easy, as Hitler realised,but wrong. It is unregulated capitalism which is responsible for the mess we and most of the rest of the world is in. It capitalism too which wants lots of immigrants partly so they can buy their products and partly for cheap labour. And to those who go on about East Europeans, i would suggest you forego your two weeks gorging and guzzling in Lanzagrotty and travel around the Continent to see how many British people live and work there. A million in Spain to start with not to mention the hundreds of thousands in France and Germany. And what about the good old greedy, grasping British property speculators who are pushing the price of property purchase and rentals in Bulgaria and Romania, Greece and Portugal? The Beeb are running a prog tonight 3rd and final part about mans origins.... Neandathol first night and one of the other 5 species last night.., As far as being Germanic I take it your are ref to Saxons, well don't forget we had angles (as far as we know the original peoples that settled here on the journey across mainland Europe out of Africa) celts and various others that travelled with the Romans, Nordic tribes also settled here and around the various coasts including Ireland. Well without wishing to sound as if I am bragging, I am an historian, and my area of expertise is precisely the area to which you are referring. Bede is our main source for what historians refer to as 'the coming of the English". He tells us that the three main peoples were the Angles, Saxons and Jutes (all Germanic). Precopious of )Ceasaria adds Frisians (another Germanic people) and that is borne out by linguistic evidence (Frisian is the language most closely related to English) and place name evidence (Friston, which means settlement of the Frisians, for example).Archaeological evidence also indicates a Frankish element (the Franks were also a Germanic people). All these people referred to the language they spoke as 'Englisc' (pronounced English). The Vikings who came between the late eighth century and the eleventh were of course Scandianavians mainly Danes and Norwegians. The Scandinavians belong to the Germanic family of races and languages and speakers of Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) and speakers of Old Norse could understand each other. With reference to Celts well, leaving aside the question debated by scholars as to whether or not there was such a thing as the Celtic race in the first place, the question of how many of the "Celtic' people who inhabited what is now England survived after the coming of the English tribes has been much debated by historians and still is.But the historical evidence ie documentary, the archaeological evidence, the place name evidence (English place names are overwhelmingly Germanic) , the anthropological evidence and most formidably of all the linguistic evidence all strongly indicate that very few of them survived (There are only thirteen words of Celtic origin in the English language. Had substantial numbers of Celts survived the coming of the English we should expect to have seen this reflected in the language. And if it is to be argued that a small group of Germanic warriors imposed their language on a larger group of conquered Celts, then en explanation needs to be provided as to why there are no parallels for this. In cases where we know that the conquerors of a people were numerically inferior to them, as in the cases of the Franks in Gaul, the Vikings in Normandy, and the Normans in England, the conquerors ended up speaking the language of their subject peoples. I shall regard Historians in an entirely different light now!! "ALIENS!!! Well despite the Germanic reference we all came out of Africa!! Top that! Watch tonight's last episode on bbc2 9pm With Prof Alice Roberts and George McGavin And don't mention the Germans!! They bombed our chip shop! lol | |||
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"I couldn't care less for protestant work ethics or any other sociologists theories, I live my life by my own values and beliefs and not by those of any other person. As I said before, my (our) work ethic and it's subsequent rewards in life are an individual choice and have very little impact upon anyone else apart from me and mine.... I relate to my (our) own actions and not to theories of scholars. Arrogance born of ignorance........" Why arrogance?....we have come from nothing, literally nothing. We have both studied hard, then worked extremely hard for the last 23 years, we lived on my wage alone for several years while my husband started at the VERY bottom in his chosen career. I then left a very lucrative career to start not One but Two businesses from scratch, I have had to put up with my husband working away for five or six days a week for the last Fifteen years, in exchange for our endeavours we now enjoy the benefits of such a work ethic. We therefore reserve the right to live our life and spend our hard earned money as we wish....that's the trouble with you academics, you are not satisfied with living your own life, you want to enforce your own 'lovey' lifestyle on everyone else. Feel free to pull me up on any spelling mistakes I may have made..... | |||
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"I just dont understand why, that many just ignore the earth playing a central part in the development in humans( and it will always do so with core being 'alive'(and the other aspects of planetary evolution of course) Its not about man coming from africa...its about spreading genes(in whatever way u like to look at it negatively or positively),its what has made us all who we are.Hominid species basically destroyed and created eachother, which eventually brings us, to well.. US! well thats my understanding " And mine....we are all so very different in so many ways....but we are all human. | |||
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"I couldn't care less for protestant work ethics or any other sociologists theories, I live my life by my own values and beliefs and not by those of any other person. As I said before, my (our) work ethic and it's subsequent rewards in life are an individual choice and have very little impact upon anyone else apart from me and mine.... I relate to my (our) own actions and not to theories of scholars. Arrogance born of ignorance........ Why arrogance?....we have come from nothing, literally nothing. We have both studied hard, then worked extremely hard for the last 23 years, we lived on my wage alone for several years while my husband started at the VERY bottom in his chosen career. I then left a very lucrative career to start not One but Two businesses from scratch, I have had to put up with my husband working away for five or six days a week for the last Fifteen years, in exchange for our endeavours we now enjoy the benefits of such a work ethic. We therefore reserve the right to live our life and spend our hard earned money as we wish....that's the trouble with you academics, you are not satisfied with living your own life, you want to enforce your own 'lovey' lifestyle on everyone else. Feel free to pull me up on any spelling mistakes I may have made....." Good post.. | |||
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"...... Definitely with you on this, if the idiotic government we have wouldn't keep letting all the foreigners in, there would be more jobs going and more homes for British people, and I do get fed up with the local authority letting them jump the housing queue, I know this as I work for a housing association. Sooner they get sent back to where they came from the better..... Who are you going to send back to where? Are you talking about the Eastern Europeans who arrived to do the hard working jobs that were (and are0 readily available? During this time homegrown layabouts moaned consistently that there were/are no jobs? Or perhaps you are talking about Asian migrants? Which generation whould you send back? You could go back as far as the Ugandan Asians - 20,000 or so who arrived in our country with no money and one suitcase. Or shall we go further back and send the West Indians back to the Carribbean? We could of course send the displaced Jews, Poles and Germans back - those who stayed here after the 2nd World war. Just wondering how far back we should go sending "them" back." Yeh quite right..in fact why dont we do away with border controls completely and let everyone who wants to come and leave here in...the only people unemployed are lazy British. Everyone else to comes here is honest, harder working than any work shy lazy Brit..and they wont cause us a bit of trouble either..having people who work for half the money must be a good thing for the economy...immigration both legal and illegal is no problem, its a myth..let em all in!! | |||
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"I think actually posh ppl p jealous of chavs as we hav better closer more friendly communities. Also we value our life and family more than career success and material wealth. I had a professional well paid job afta i graduated but i soon jacked it in. The work life balance sucked and the stress - i thought i cant liv like this. I went bak to my old (minimum wage) job. The only problem is like everyone else on min wage im being exploited but i can live with it doing a job i love" well thats one of the main faults with the maslow's hierarchy of needs theory, and of course why we see people gain success act out in ways that are 'detrimental' to themselves...they were never self-actualized' were they?...some of us find our place and can be quite happy with it...not causing others harm. Sorry of the pessimistic _iew, but there will be a time in the future, when MANY types of jobs will be obsolete, both working class and middle class jobs. | |||
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half of the jobs now dont really need to exist if u ask me. Off to look up manslow... | |||
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"...... In the nicest possible way I am afraid that in this it is you who are ignorant. Leaving aside the very small amount of blood contributed to the modern English by immigrants (and it is very small, whatever Nick Puffin and the BNP would have us believe) we are, as one historian puts it, "a largely germanic people speaking a largely germanic language". However I agree with your _iew. To blame immigrants and other ethnic minorities for our ills is very easy, as Hitler realised,but wrong. It is unregulated capitalism which is responsible for the mess we and most of the rest of the world is in. It capitalism too which wants lots of immigrants partly so they can buy their products and partly for cheap labour. And to those who go on about East Europeans, i would suggest you forego your two weeks gorging and guzzling in Lanzagrotty and travel around the Continent to see how many British people live and work there. A million in Spain to start with not to mention the hundreds of thousands in France and Germany. And what about the good old greedy, grasping British property speculators who are pushing the price of property purchase and rentals in Bulgaria and Romania, Greece and Portugal? The Beeb are running a prog tonight 3rd and final part about mans origins.... Neandathol first night and one of the other 5 species last night.., As far as being Germanic I take it your are ref to Saxons, well don't forget we had angles (as far as we know the original peoples that settled here on the journey across mainland Europe out of Africa) celts and various others that travelled with the Romans, Nordic tribes also settled here and around the various coasts including Ireland. Well without wishing to sound as if I am bragging, I am an historian, and my area of expertise is precisely the area to which you are referring. Bede is our main source for what historians refer to as 'the coming of the English". He tells us that the three main peoples were the Angles, Saxons and Jutes (all Germanic). Precopious of )Ceasaria adds Frisians (another Germanic people) and that is borne out by linguistic evidence (Frisian is the language most closely related to English) and place name evidence (Friston, which means settlement of the Frisians, for example).Archaeological evidence also indicates a Frankish element (the Franks were also a Germanic people). All these people referred to the language they spoke as 'Englisc' (pronounced English). The Vikings who came between the late eighth century and the eleventh were of course Scandianavians mainly Danes and Norwegians. The Scandinavians belong to the Germanic family of races and languages and speakers of Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) and speakers of Old Norse could understand each other. With reference to Celts well, leaving aside the question debated by scholars as to whether or not there was such a thing as the Celtic race in the first place, the question of how many of the "Celtic' people who inhabited what is now England survived after the coming of the English tribes has been much debated by historians and still is.But the historical evidence ie documentary, the archaeological evidence, the place name evidence (English place names are overwhelmingly Germanic) , the anthropological evidence and most formidably of all the linguistic evidence all strongly indicate that very few of them survived (There are only thirteen words of Celtic origin in the English language. Had substantial numbers of Celts survived the coming of the English we should expect to have seen this reflected in the language. And if it is to be argued that a small group of Germanic warriors imposed their language on a larger group of conquered Celts, then en explanation needs to be provided as to why there are no parallels for this. In cases where we know that the conquerors of a people were numerically inferior to them, as in the cases of the Franks in Gaul, the Vikings in Normandy, and the Normans in England, the conquerors ended up speaking the language of their subject peoples. " Not wishing to pick holes in your clear knowledge but..... I always understood the Romans to have pre-dated the Ango Saxons and at the time the Roman armies left (and left behind many of their genetic offsprings there was a population of about 2,000,000 combined of Romans, Celts and the earlier Beakers (all immigrants). The Ango Saxons were Germanic but remember that by todays definition Germanic means, Belgium, Holland, Germany and Denmark. By 800 AD the Vikings arrived and colonised in a big way and stuck around for about 250 years meaning that by 1100 AD the population of 3,000,000 was made up of ancient Beakers, Celts, Romans, Anglo Saxons and Vikings. In anyones book a bit of a cocktail! Once the Norman (French but I accept Danish heritage) genes were spread around a little, the 3,000,000 population had organically increased to 8,000,000 at the time of the first census in 1801 (an increase of 5,000,000 in 700 years but over the next 100 years the population shot up to 30,000,000 by the industrial revolution and is today approximately 55,000,000 (England). Organic population on that scale was impossible up to recent years because of limited lifespans meaning that immigration continued on a huge scale from the Norman invasion until the 19th century and continues to this day. Nothing new. I stand to be corrected as this is from memory (35 years ago!) | |||
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"...... Yeh quite right..in fact why dont we do away with border controls completely and let everyone who wants to come and leave here in...the only people unemployed are lazy British. Everyone else to comes here is honest, harder working than any work shy lazy Brit..and they wont cause us a bit of trouble either..having people who work for half the money must be a good thing for the economy...immigration both legal and illegal is no problem, its a myth..let em all in!!" Immigration created the best of British and regrettably without it the gene pool stagnates. It has been part of this country for 3,000 years and is just not new. Your rant is a little myopic and not based on an understanding of the country and its demographic cocktail. having said that, I don't think anyone - apart from you - is suggesting a migrant free for all. | |||
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"I think actually posh ppl p jealous of chavs as we hav better closer more friendly communities. Also we value our life and family more than career success and material wealth. I had a professional well paid job afta i graduated but i soon jacked it in. The work life balance sucked and the stress - i thought i cant liv like this. I went bak to my old (minimum wage) job. The only problem is like everyone else on min wage im being exploited but i can live with it doing a job i love well thats one of the main faults with the maslow's hierarchy of needs theory, and of course why we see people gain success act out in ways that are 'detrimental' to themselves...they were never self-actualized' were they?...some of us find our place and can be quite happy with it...not causing others harm. Sorry of the pessimistic _iew, but there will be a time in the future, when MANY types of jobs will be obsolete, both working class and middle class jobs." Is anyone ever truly happy? Most people seem to strive for more and more. Perhaps those that feel the need to keep up with the neighbours will never be happy even if they are billionaires. I don't think it's pessimistic. This whole world thing isn't going to end well. | |||
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