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"Obviously today is Mother's Day, & yesterday as I work in retail during conversations Mother's Day cropped up & I was asked if I was been treated or getting anything nice...when I said I didn't have children the response was of surprise (Obviously they were only making conversation ) It's also cropped up whilst out socialising... also with some guys I talk to on Fab with the same reaction more so as obviously due to my age Grand children too. I don't mind explaining it was my choice, but some seem to find it weird.. Do any of you have similar experiences? or had any strange reactions?..the strangest one I had was that I was "selfish " for not having had any I replied it would be more selfish to have them when I didn't want them." People are idiots aren't they and I guess it's seen as a societal norm because we are conditioned as we grow to study, get a job, settle have kids. You do life your way, stuff people. My Daughter in law has Ehlers Danlos and Dr's have told her getting pregnant isn't an issue but carrying and giving birth would be so her and my son decided no, the comments people make are awful then she gets upset As for me, yes being a Grandma would be amazing but not at the cost of her health for sure, she comes first | |||
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"All the time…I’ve had several ‘you just haven’t met the right person’ ‘you will change your mind’ comments over the years and frankly it’s patronising at the very least, I choose not to have children because I don’t desire them, the responsibility they bring or the challenges. Whilst I adore kids there not on my agenda and just because I am woman that doesn’t warrant the need for them to be, everyone has the freedom of choice and people would do well to remember that x" It's not as if there is a lack of people having kids and the future of the human race is at risk. People should just accept that you're allowed to decide for yourself. Cal | |||
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"Obviously today is Mother's Day, & yesterday as I work in retail during conversations Mother's Day cropped up & I was asked if I was been treated or getting anything nice...when I said I didn't have children the response was of surprise (Obviously they were only making conversation ) It's also cropped up whilst out socialising... also with some guys I talk to on Fab with the same reaction more so as obviously due to my age Grand children too. I don't mind explaining it was my choice, but some seem to find it weird.. Do any of you have similar experiences? or had any strange reactions?..the strangest one I had was that I was "selfish " for not having had any I replied it would be more selfish to have them when I didn't want them." I get this all the time I get asked if there something wrong with me I get told I need to hurry up because I don't have much time left I get told that I'll regret it when I'm older Why I worked in my old department I used to constantly be expected to work Mother's days as everyone else had kids and it was seen as being difficult if I said I wouldn't Blah blah blah Nice to know it will only get worse as I get older | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. " Wow | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. " Good point. My female friends all make flapping noises when they move around because their vaginas are so loose from having kids. | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. " Double wow. 40 odd years old and still doesn’t know how a vagina works. | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. " errrrrrr wrong ! It’s sometimes the opposite ! | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. " My kids have exceeded my expectations....And my kids were a joy to raise. Children are like sponges, what you put in they absorb and put back out. Self fulfilling prophecy....Always getting told you won't amount to much may lead you to believe that....And you might not I Hope your children don't pick up your resentment | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. Double wow. 40 odd years old and still doesn’t know how a vagina works. " some folks still say the earth is flat so are you really surprised | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. Double wow. 40 odd years old and still doesn’t know how a vagina works. some folks still say the earth is flat so are you really surprised " Some people should have been a wank. | |||
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"Not exactly the same thing, but I've the snip. If it comes up in conversation, the first thing they ask is almost always "can you get it reversed?" As if regret is inevitable. I mean, not once has someone said "Oooh I've never tasted spermless cum, can I try some?" Pretty rude if you ask me. " Great to get a mans viewpoint. | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. Double wow. 40 odd years old and still doesn’t know how a vagina works. some folks still say the earth is flat so are you really surprised Some people should have been a wank." harsh | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. Double wow. 40 odd years old and still doesn’t know how a vagina works. " | |||
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"All the time…I’ve had several ‘you just haven’t met the right person’ ‘you will change your mind’ comments over the years and frankly it’s patronising at the very least, I choose not to have children because I don’t desire them, the responsibility they bring or the challenges. Whilst I adore kids there not on my agenda and just because I am woman that doesn’t warrant the need for them to be, everyone has the freedom of choice and people would do well to remember that x" Totally agree! I think it’s totally okay not to want them, I have this discussion with a few friends of mine, who are around my age and don’t seem To desire them particularly. and I think that’s okay I thought about it loads, and I understand the total commitment it takes to raise a child, and I believe in giving him/her the best start in life . And meaning they become the first priority in your life. And I’m just fair to admit that I am too selfish to have a kid and that’s okay. Also I can make a choice, and I’m okay with being the step mother if it’s meant to be x | |||
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"Tell them you had 16 miscarriages. That should shut them up. People can be such knobs. I don't know why anyone would feel the need to explain their private life." Why should someone have to use miscarriage to shut people up? I would never claim to be infertile or have miscarriages to explain away why i don't have children. I feel that's massively disrespectful to those who have gone through such traumatic events. Mine isn't by choose though, just can't find anyone to stick around long enough to get me up the duff | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. Wow" Don't take the bait.....the faceless one is trying to get a rise out of you | |||
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"As someone who has gone through the emotionally draining and spectre of IVF/fertility treatment, I have learned not to pry, question or judge those who don't have children. It's a topic which is difficult to broach." | |||
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"Tell them you had 16 miscarriages. That should shut them up. People can be such knobs. I don't know why anyone would feel the need to explain their private life. Why should someone have to use miscarriage to shut people up? I would never claim to be infertile or have miscarriages to explain away why i don't have children. I feel that's massively disrespectful to those who have gone through such traumatic events. Mine isn't by choose though, just can't find anyone to stick around long enough to get me up the duff " If it shut the person up and made them *think* then it would be worth it. They are the disrespectful person. | |||
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"Yes all the time! In fact, just last week I had a hospital appointment because I’m having loads of problems with my ovaries and cervix etc, my last surgeon referred me to have them removed. The new doctor gave me a lecture and told me why she is trying to consider other ways to keep them so I can still have children. (Long term medication, fuck that!) She even wrote me a letter expressing her concern and the first line was “you are a 37 year old woman who has had no pregnancies” Yeah I’m fully aware " I feel uncomfortable for you just reading that x | |||
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"Yes all the time! In fact, just last week I had a hospital appointment because I’m having loads of problems with my ovaries and cervix etc, my last surgeon referred me to have them removed. The new doctor gave me a lecture and told me why she is trying to consider other ways to keep them so I can still have children. (Long term medication, fuck that!) She even wrote me a letter expressing her concern and the first line was “you are a 37 year old woman who has had no pregnancies” Yeah I’m fully aware " Punch her in the tit. LvM | |||
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"Yes all the time! In fact, just last week I had a hospital appointment because I’m having loads of problems with my ovaries and cervix etc, my last surgeon referred me to have them removed. The new doctor gave me a lecture and told me why she is trying to consider other ways to keep them so I can still have children. (Long term medication, fuck that!) She even wrote me a letter expressing her concern and the first line was “you are a 37 year old woman who has had no pregnancies” Yeah I’m fully aware " I feel you. I was diagnosed with endometriosis at 21. I was lucky to have a diagnosis so early but it doesn't really help me as they basically refuse to do anything more than hormones and painkillers because of "protecting my fertility". Even though untreated endometriosis fucks your fertility anyway . | |||
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"Yes all the time! In fact, just last week I had a hospital appointment because I’m having loads of problems with my ovaries and cervix etc, my last surgeon referred me to have them removed. The new doctor gave me a lecture and told me why she is trying to consider other ways to keep them so I can still have children. (Long term medication, fuck that!) She even wrote me a letter expressing her concern and the first line was “you are a 37 year old woman who has had no pregnancies” Yeah I’m fully aware I feel you. I was diagnosed with endometriosis at 21. I was lucky to have a diagnosis so early but it doesn't really help me as they basically refuse to do anything more than hormones and painkillers because of "protecting my fertility". Even though untreated endometriosis fucks your fertility anyway . " I was going to the G.P for 6yrs before they finally referred me to my gynaecologist, then I was diagnosed with endometriosis which is the reason I don’t have children, I have been through IVF which is very stressful and I wouldn’t go through it again. There could be a small chance I could get pregnant so my gynaecologist tells me but my mind set has changed and personally I don’t want children I’m happy without them, but I would not judge anyone who doesn’t want them. Woman that annoy me are the ones that have kids and neglect them because they never wanted them in the first place and blame the poor kids for there behaviour | |||
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"Yes all the time! In fact, just last week I had a hospital appointment because I’m having loads of problems with my ovaries and cervix etc, my last surgeon referred me to have them removed. The new doctor gave me a lecture and told me why she is trying to consider other ways to keep them so I can still have children. (Long term medication, fuck that!) She even wrote me a letter expressing her concern and the first line was “you are a 37 year old woman who has had no pregnancies” Yeah I’m fully aware I feel you. I was diagnosed with endometriosis at 21. I was lucky to have a diagnosis so early but it doesn't really help me as they basically refuse to do anything more than hormones and painkillers because of "protecting my fertility". Even though untreated endometriosis fucks your fertility anyway . I was going to the G.P for 6yrs before they finally referred me to my gynaecologist, then I was diagnosed with endometriosis which is the reason I don’t have children, I have been through IVF which is very stressful and I wouldn’t go through it again. There could be a small chance I could get pregnant so my gynaecologist tells me but my mind set has changed and personally I don’t want children I’m happy without them, but I would not judge anyone who doesn’t want them. Woman that annoy me are the ones that have kids and neglect them because they never wanted them in the first place and blame the poor kids for there behaviour " | |||
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"Yes all the time! In fact, just last week I had a hospital appointment because I’m having loads of problems with my ovaries and cervix etc, my last surgeon referred me to have them removed. The new doctor gave me a lecture and told me why she is trying to consider other ways to keep them so I can still have children. (Long term medication, fuck that!) She even wrote me a letter expressing her concern and the first line was “you are a 37 year old woman who has had no pregnancies” Yeah I’m fully aware I feel you. I was diagnosed with endometriosis at 21. I was lucky to have a diagnosis so early but it doesn't really help me as they basically refuse to do anything more than hormones and painkillers because of "protecting my fertility". Even though untreated endometriosis fucks your fertility anyway . I was going to the G.P for 6yrs before they finally referred me to my gynaecologist, then I was diagnosed with endometriosis which is the reason I don’t have children, I have been through IVF which is very stressful and I wouldn’t go through it again. There could be a small chance I could get pregnant so my gynaecologist tells me but my mind set has changed and personally I don’t want children I’m happy without them, but I would not judge anyone who doesn’t want them. Woman that annoy me are the ones that have kids and neglect them because they never wanted them in the first place and blame the poor kids for there behaviour " I was just really lucky that I saw a GP who had previously trained in O&G and later retrained as a GP. | |||
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"Typical questions I get asked as well Have you ever smoked/tried drûgs/got married/had kids/changed nappie shad a tatoo/been to a football match? No Really? Yes What's wrong with you? Nothing: I just don't like them Well, how do yu know if you've never tried? Because I have learnt from hindsight, not soley from my own experiences Some people just don't understand how I haven't succumbed to peer pressure. Free thinking is alien to these sheeple. This sort of numpty logic is filling empty heads and needs to stop. I have made up my mind from a very early age about some of these things, say about 5 years old. You ain't gonna change my mind, ever! " Several years ago, when I was having a query gynae emergency, the gynaecologist asked how many pregnancies, miscarriages and births I'd had. 0/0/0. "How? Are you a virgin?" There are so many things I wish I'd thought of if I hadn't been in agony | |||
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"Typical questions I get asked as well Have you ever smoked/tried drûgs/got married/had kids/changed nappie shad a tatoo/been to a football match? No Really? Yes What's wrong with you? Nothing: I just don't like them Well, how do yu know if you've never tried? Because I have learnt from hindsight, not soley from my own experiences Some people just don't understand how I haven't succumbed to peer pressure. Free thinking is alien to these sheeple. This sort of numpty logic is filling empty heads and needs to stop. I have made up my mind from a very early age about some of these things, say about 5 years old. You ain't gonna change my mind, ever! Several years ago, when I was having a query gynae emergency, the gynaecologist asked how many pregnancies, miscarriages and births I'd had. 0/0/0. "How? Are you a virgin?" There are so many things I wish I'd thought of if I hadn't been in agony " In French: single=simple: when it comes to things like ice cream single+celebataire/celibate: when it comes to relationships. False logic at it's most crass. Blame the church for the second one. | |||
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"Typical questions I get asked as well Have you ever smoked/tried drûgs/got married/had kids/changed nappie shad a tatoo/been to a football match? No Really? Yes What's wrong with you? Nothing: I just don't like them Well, how do yu know if you've never tried? Because I have learnt from hindsight, not soley from my own experiences Some people just don't understand how I haven't succumbed to peer pressure. Free thinking is alien to these sheeple. This sort of numpty logic is filling empty heads and needs to stop. I have made up my mind from a very early age about some of these things, say about 5 years old. You ain't gonna change my mind, ever! Several years ago, when I was having a query gynae emergency, the gynaecologist asked how many pregnancies, miscarriages and births I'd had. 0/0/0. "How? Are you a virgin?" There are so many things I wish I'd thought of if I hadn't been in agony In French: single=simple: when it comes to things like ice cream single+celebataire/celibate: when it comes to relationships. False logic at it's most crass. Blame the church for the second one." The response I most wish I'd said was "you taught me how to use birth control, and I listened" Unfortunately, agony, so I just let him think whatever he wanted. (Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience) | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. " You sound a bitter parent because you've had kids. Although everyone's entitled to their opinion i don't agree with yours.I value my kids and appreciate the fact I was fortunate enough to have them, not everyone gets that choice. | |||
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"If it wasn't for us childless people who are so selfish, who would cover your time off over the school holidays? No one has mentioned that being childless is the most greenest thing that you can ever do for the planet. Pop that one in your pipe!" haha well said | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. You sound a bitter parent because you've had kids. Although everyone's entitled to their opinion i don't agree with yours.I value my kids and appreciate the fact I was fortunate enough to have them, not everyone gets that choice." I was heard a nurse say on telly many moons ago, about bing on a children's ward. "Lend them your shoulders to cry own, never give them your heart, as the buggers will run away with it and never return". It might have be a drama of some sort...I'm not sure. Good advice though. | |||
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"If it wasn't for us childless people who are so selfish, who would cover your time off over the school holidays? No one has mentioned that being childless is the most greenest thing that you can ever do for the planet. Pop that one in your pipe! haha well said " Not read through the thread yet but yes if everyone stayed childless just think how climate change would stop in a generation... | |||
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" (Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience)" "Think Gyno: think twats!" I can see the Catherine Tate memes just now. | |||
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"If it wasn't for us childless people who are so selfish, who would cover your time off over the school holidays? No one has mentioned that being childless is the most greenest thing that you can ever do for the planet. Pop that one in your pipe! haha well said Not read through the thread yet but yes if everyone stayed childless just think how climate change would stop in a generation... " China tried to do that, by force. It didn't work. People want carrots (don't like 'em personally) not stick. Imagine being told "If you don't have kids you can can work and never pay income tax". There's already been married tax allowances and CT credits, so it's not that ridiculous. | |||
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" (Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience) "Think Gyno: think twats!" I can see the Catherine Tate memes just now." | |||
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"You made a decision that is right for you OP, so **** those that make comments like these to you. " Yeah, bet these numpties would never ever say that to a nun...yet some of them are mothers. On Fathers' Day, just copy and paste all of this thread. | |||
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" (Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience) "Think Gyno: think twats!" I can see the Catherine Tate memes just now. " Can you picture the speculums being pulled out of the freezer too? | |||
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" (Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience) "Think Gyno: think twats!" I can see the Catherine Tate memes just now. Can you picture the speculums being pulled out of the freezer too?" I'd rather not Although for me it's the pinching rather than the temperature that gets me | |||
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"(Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience)" I think part of the problem is obstetrics and gynaecology being combined into one profession. Of course you get Consultants who specialise in more the gynaecology side of things but when they're junior doctors and choose to specialise it's both and I feel many go into it more for the glory of obstetrics. Its like that "this is going to hurt" programme. It was all about labour ward and the parts where he had to go to the gynae ward or do gynae consults in A&E were seen as begrudging or almost like a punishment to be assigned those tasks by the Consultant. I know the programme wasn't totally accurate to the book and I haven't read it so I really hope that wasn't the actual attitudes held. | |||
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"We all have or had a mother and father, whether or not they were the ones we wanted is another matter but we would not be here without them. However, whether or not one wants to become a parent is another thing and is of no one else's business. Personally I think my birthday is the day I quietly remember my parents and my life since birth. I don't need a commercially inspired mothers day / fathers day and all the stuff that goes with it. I would rather my children spend their earnings on themselves and their children as I know we all care about each other 365 days of the year and that is more than enough for me." | |||
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"(Side note - gynaecologists are the absolute worst for this kind of shit. In my unfortunately not limited experience) I think part of the problem is obstetrics and gynaecology being combined into one profession. Of course you get Consultants who specialise in more the gynaecology side of things but when they're junior doctors and choose to specialise it's both and I feel many go into it more for the glory of obstetrics. Its like that "this is going to hurt" programme. It was all about labour ward and the parts where he had to go to the gynae ward or do gynae consults in A&E were seen as begrudging or almost like a punishment to be assigned those tasks by the Consultant. I know the programme wasn't totally accurate to the book and I haven't read it so I really hope that wasn't the actual attitudes held. " Oh it's absolutely the issue. I'm sorry that my reproductive organs are trying to murder me (twice) in circumstances where I'm not trying to procreate, but I'd like some help and not a lecture, please and thank you | |||
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"Wether you don’t want them or can’t have them it’s no fuckers business and you don’t have to explain either way. I’ve been so pissed off with this constant question since my mid twenties usually from super smug earth mother types. More recently had one in the office who kept pushing me to consider fostering. You can’t tell someone you need to work with to fuck off and mind their beeswax so I just avoided her at all times. I’ve never heard anyone asking the men without children the same questions though. " That's just so rude. I love being a mother but I totally and utterly get that it isn't for everyone. | |||
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"Yes it's been queried with me also. My response is that I am close to nieces and nephews which has been enough for me. Also looked after them from when they were little. Never met anyone where I could have made that life choice." Beter to be a brilliant Uncle than a shitty dad. | |||
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"An alternative way to look at it is, its just as selfish to want kids as it is to not want kids. It's selfish to want children, because you're doing it for yourself, not for the children because they don't exist yet. I realise this is not the normal viewpoint. " That's a great viewpoint in my opinion | |||
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"If it wasn't for us childless people who are so selfish, who would cover your time off over the school holidays? No one has mentioned that being childless is the most greenest thing that you can ever do for the planet. Pop that one in your pipe! haha well said Not read through the thread yet but yes if everyone stayed childless just think how climate change would stop in a generation... China tried to do that, by force. It didn't work. People want carrots (don't like 'em personally) not stick. Imagine being told "If you don't have kids you can can work and never pay income tax". There's already been married tax allowances and CT credits, so it's not that ridiculous. " Sure.. I was being tongue in cheek. If everyone stopped mating the population would clearly reduce to 0. Which would in theory make the planet very green indeed. | |||
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"If it wasn't for us childless people who are so selfish, who would cover your time off over the school holidays? No one has mentioned that being childless is the most greenest thing that you can ever do for the planet. Pop that one in your pipe!" Bit of a judgement there. I don't take time off at Christmas. My ex has her as he has shut down. If we were together I'd probably try to get a day. I book my holidays at beginning of year as we all have equal rights to the rota and I'm in a 18 person team. I heard one mother scream once that people should have priority for Christmas. I said no, that's a life choice and sometimes not, there are people who can't have kids, why would they or anyone else be penalised for someone else's life choices. Not all ppl are the same. Or so my rose tintedness would hope. | |||
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"If it wasn't for us childless people who are so selfish, who would cover your time off over the school holidays? No one has mentioned that being childless is the most greenest thing that you can ever do for the planet. Pop that one in your pipe! Bit of a judgement there. I don't take time off at Christmas. My ex has her as he has shut down. If we were together I'd probably try to get a day. I book my holidays at beginning of year as we all have equal rights to the rota and I'm in a 18 person team. I heard one mother scream once that people should have priority for Christmas. I said no, that's a life choice and sometimes not, there are people who can't have kids, why would they or anyone else be penalised for someone else's life choices. Not all ppl are the same. Or so my rose tintedness would hope. " My partner's work alternates their rota so they do Christmas Eve and Boxing Day or new year's eve and new year's day every other year then it's up to individuals to swap if they want. Seems a fair way to me. | |||
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"I want kids. Can’t. I'm sorry" It’s ok I have four little angels and their dna will stay with me forever so I’m still a mum. My arms are empty but heart isn’t xx | |||
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" Bit of a judgement there. Not all ppl are the same. Or so my rose tintedness would hope. " Of course there is judgement, just look at the title of this thread.: it';s the judging of those who judge them without kids. Just look at the two words are how they mean the same thing on the surface, but are polar opposites in backstory and attitude. Childless: Sad because they don't have kids or can't have them Child free: Happy not to have them. Perception counts for a lot. | |||
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"I used to get it a lot more when I was younger...I think most people just think I'm a lonely old spinster now, soon to be a cat lady It's never bothered me because not having children was a personal choice. My usual response is that children are okay for doing fiddly jobs, but they're not much use for heavy labour! That usually shuts people up, especially if you say it with a serious face. " Hahaha "If I had a dirty chimney, I'd borrow one of yours" | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. " Mine are without doubt the best thing that ever happened to me. Yes they’re hard work and expensive but life is so much richer with them. The version of me without kids would have been much more selfish, unfulfilled and hedonistic. | |||
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"Obviously today is Mother's Day, & yesterday as I work in retail during conversations Mother's Day cropped up & I was asked if I was been treated or getting anything nice...when I said I didn't have children the response was of surprise (Obviously they were only making conversation ) It's also cropped up whilst out socialising... also with some guys I talk to on Fab with the same reaction more so as obviously due to my age Grand children too. I don't mind explaining it was my choice, but some seem to find it weird.. Do any of you have similar experiences? or had any strange reactions?..the strangest one I had was that I was "selfish " for not having had any I replied it would be more selfish to have them when I didn't want them." I have the utmost respect for people who choose not to have children. Having children to confirm to societal norms or family expectations can be disastrous. My ex had children because his family expected it of him (had I known this I obviously wouldn’t have wanted children with him). He welcomed our son but made it very clear that he didn’t want our daughter when she came along. After years of counselling and self harm she still struggles to except that she has a right to be here and to enjoy life. He’s not a terrible person - he should just never have had children. Being a ‘good’ parent is incredibly difficult, expensive and often heartbreaking. In my opinion, with today’s choices, nobody should have children unless they can’t imagine life without them. | |||
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"Obviously today is Mother's Day, & yesterday as I work in retail during conversations Mother's Day cropped up & I was asked if I was been treated or getting anything nice...when I said I didn't have children the response was of surprise (Obviously they were only making conversation ) It's also cropped up whilst out socialising... also with some guys I talk to on Fab with the same reaction more so as obviously due to my age Grand children too. I don't mind explaining it was my choice, but some seem to find it weird.. Do any of you have similar experiences? or had any strange reactions?..the strangest one I had was that I was "selfish " for not having had any I replied it would be more selfish to have them when I didn't want them. I have the utmost respect for people who choose not to have children. Having children to confirm to societal norms or family expectations can be disastrous. My ex had children because his family expected it of him (had I known this I obviously wouldn’t have wanted children with him). He welcomed our son but made it very clear that he didn’t want our daughter when she came along. After years of counselling and self harm she still struggles to except that she has a right to be here and to enjoy life. He’s not a terrible person - he should just never have had children. Being a ‘good’ parent is incredibly difficult, expensive and often heartbreaking. In my opinion, with today’s choices, nobody should have children unless they can’t imagine life without them. " Awee that's so sad.. (((Hugs))) | |||
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"For people who are happy with their choices there seems to be a lot of aggression in the thread. " Some people really like to make your life miserable for not having kids. Or try to. I was once denied medical treatment - in an emergency - because of it. I'm delighted with my choice. Roll on menopause so it's final. What's aggravating - and yes, can bring on an aggressive response - is being told I don't know what I want, I'm inferior, I don't understand love, I'm not a complete person, etc. No one else gets a vote on my reproduction. And if they think they do, or can insult me into having children, then they're welcome to go jump | |||
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"Wow. Kids are horrible. Most people wouldn't choose their own kids. They make noise, mess take all your money. The only people that say kids are the best thing in the world are people that got stuck with them. Bitter parents who's kids will never meet up to their expectations. Yes I have kids and love them but they still not an easy life. Plenty of my friends not got them and enjoy life a lot more. Mine are without doubt the best thing that ever happened to me. Yes they’re hard work and expensive but life is so much richer with them. The version of me without kids would have been much more selfish, unfulfilled and hedonistic. Couldn’t agree more. You have a lot of talents though. Being a mum is probably the only thing I’m really good at - but it’s the thing that matters most to me. X " | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. " Have they ruined yours? | |||
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"And they ruin your hole so stay kid free and tight as a wistle. " What an unpleasant and untrue comment. | |||
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"Tell them you had 16 miscarriages. That should shut them up. People can be such knobs. I don't know why anyone would feel the need to explain their private life. Why should someone have to use miscarriage to shut people up? I would never claim to be infertile or have miscarriages to explain away why i don't have children. I feel that's massively disrespectful to those who have gone through such traumatic events. Mine isn't by choose though, just can't find anyone to stick around long enough to get me up the duff " Totally agree with this and actually no explanation other than i don't have children is needed or should be asked for. | |||
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"Wow, are there still people like that out there!!!. Choice it's your life and body if yo don't want children that's fine, there's enough unwanted and abused children out there as it is " There are there are also people out there who feel the needs to tell others that they shouldn't have children. A Friend of mine is in her late forties and has a disability, She doesn't have children but when people ask the question several times random strangers have felt the need to say something along the lines of "oh yes probably best given your disability". A as I said above no explanation is ever needed when someone says they don't have children no further questions should be asked, I just don't understand why some people feel the need. | |||
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"Wow, are there still people like that out there!!!. Choice it's your life and body if yo don't want children that's fine, there's enough unwanted and abused children out there as it is There are there are also people out there who feel the needs to tell others that they shouldn't have children. A Friend of mine is in her late forties and has a disability, She doesn't have children but when people ask the question several times random strangers have felt the need to say something along the lines of "oh yes probably best given your disability". A as I said above no explanation is ever needed when someone says they don't have children no further questions should be asked, I just don't understand why some people feel the need. " People should mind there own business | |||
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"Obviously today is Mother's Day, & yesterday as I work in retail during conversations Mother's Day cropped up & I was asked if I was been treated or getting anything nice...when I said I didn't have children the response was of surprise (Obviously they were only making conversation ) It's also cropped up whilst out socialising... also with some guys I talk to on Fab with the same reaction more so as obviously due to my age Grand children too. I don't mind explaining it was my choice, but some seem to find it weird.. Do any of you have similar experiences? or had any strange reactions?..the strangest one I had was that I was "selfish " for not having had any I replied it would be more selfish to have them when I didn't want them." It’s not compulsory to have children, and I do think that some people have children because they think it is expected of them, it’s what they’re supposed to do etc. One of my neighbours has a load of kids and nags the shit out of them that she wants more and more grandchildren. I find that really odd, not letting her children decide for themselves. | |||
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"It's bizarre. If a man never has children nothing is said, yet people are surprised and negative towards women not wanting them. Even other women! Makes no sense. Other than those people being stereo typical and thinking all women must want children! Besides dogs and puppies are so much better than kids!" Not true. As a man, I have been asked many times about not having kids. I have one particular brother in law who has asked about a dozen times over the years. Last time I told him that if he asks one more then then he is no longer welcome in our house. | |||
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"I struggle to ask people if they have children. I know very well that they don’t come easily & would hate to have to explain my situation. I do have one & am extremely lucky but never judge anyone or question if they don’t have any " I have been questioned, pitied, told I’m wrong, told I should have kids etc, and subjected to condescending sneers. | |||
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"I was at a dinner party where a few couples were banging on endlessly about their kids. At the end of the meal, one of the ladies came over to me to “apologise”, with lines like “you must have felt so embarrassed, as you don’t have children”. No. Not really. I don’t feel like I’m some sort of failure because i don’t have kids. " I've witnessed many friends becoming parents and they seem to go one way or the other. It either becomes everything they talk about and their entire identity or they stay who they always were plus being a parent. I've had some friendships drift apart because of having nothing in common anymore because I'm not a parent and they seem to have become nothing but a parent. I totally understand that your children are of course a massive part of your life and I'm more than happy to talk about them but there's often not a lot I can say in response. My best friend is a parent now and her little girl is lovely and of course she talks about her but she also talks about her husband, her dog, work, her friends, her family, all sorts of other subjects. | |||
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