FabSwingers.com forum: Consideration

By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

I've always noticed it, but today in work it's been brought to my attention, front and centre.

Consideration for others and their job/role within the workplace. Do you think of these things, conscious or subconscious, when going about your day, in work or at out and about, or even at home?

I'm an on-site facilities manager and have a team of cleaners and maintenance staff under me. Office staff has recently returned to almost full capacity within the building. I've had my staff coming to me with concerns and complaints over the state of the offices and toilets being left by the office staff - men and women. Papers just discarded everywhere, hole punch everywhere, bins overflowing and on the floor (despite them knowing to request a bin swap) - let's not even mention toilet details.

These are things that are of no impact to the office staff roles, so it's not getting in the way of their own job.

Just a little consideration of what your own actions have upon others, and their own workload.

And yes I'm clearly back despite a goodbye post last week. I was talked in to sticking around by some awesome people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh I absolutely think of these things all the time. At work and anywhere in public especially.

Also good to see you’re still here OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've always noticed it, but today in work it's been brought to my attention, front and centre.

Consideration for others and their job/role within the workplace. Do you think of these things, conscious or subconscious, when going about your day, in work or at out and about, or even at home?

These are things that are of no impact to the office staff roles, so it's not getting in the way of their own job.

Just a little consideration of what your own actions have upon others, and their own workload.

And yes I'm clearly back despite a goodbye post last week. I was talked in to sticking around by some awesome people. "

I'm always of the opinion if they'll act like that at work they'll act like that at home , of course consideration should be part n parcel of somebody's day but unfortunately it's not .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those awesome people were right.

Consideration for others is important. Even just leaving a clean table at a busy chain coffee shop for the next customer to sit at without having to wait for the staff to come and clear it. Not that hard.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

I try to be considerate of those people I work with, and those who’s work I may impact.

It takes nothing to clean up after yourself, not leave shit floating in the toilet, not wiping snot on the bathroom walls, being polite to those people around you.

Sadly not everyone does and in my experience the sense of entitlement or that its “someone else's responsibility” is getting worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Consideration is a nice thought but ots not going to happen spontaneously.

Isn't it your job as the manager to demonstrate how theor actions are impacting another group?

Perhaps you already have

Sometimes these things aren't outright obnoxious behaviour rather just lack of awareness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there’s some people who are either ignorant by nature and blind about certain situations or just don’t care. Either way, it’s unacceptable I think

I’m the kind of person who worries tho about how my actions could potentially impact others , but I’m that bitch so

I tend to be considerate in nature , generally speaking

Partially why I couldn’t live with others anymore, and decided to get my own space. I don’t have to think about not feeling well and worrying that my mess would impact another (consider I had surgery and stuff)

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

Back in 2013 the site I was on had a huge problem with tiny black flies in the ladies toilets.

No amount of work on the cleaners part or by pest control could sort it out, couldn't even figure out where they were coming from.

After 3 months of this the company responsible for changing the hygiene bins complained that they were having to deal with infested bins each month.

Some dirty bugger was eating their lunch in the toilets and dumping the leftovers into the hygiene bins, and that's what the flies were feeding on.

Who the bollocks would do any part of that? Bloody grim.

After seeing the email HR had to send out reminding everyone that there was a lunch room so please don't eat your sandwich in a toilet cubicle, but if you must do so then please put leftovers into the bins that are emptied daily rather than the monthly-changed hygiene bins, the filth some people are happy to create and live with no longer surprises me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I’m glad you’re still here, I enjoy your posts

I used to have various cleaning jobs to find my clubbing days when I was in College, back in the day.

One thing I can say with great knowledge and experience is that folk are lazy twits if they know someone else will be cleaning up after them.

I did cleaning in a golf club. The bar areas and the mens locker rooms were bogging. Using them hand rail towels etc to blow their noses in and gods knows what else. Put me off men and golf for a good few months.

Ladies locker rooms just looked like they’d gone a bit wild with the talc! And you had a faint haze of hairspray hanging in the air. Much more reasonable.

So yeah, I feel your pain!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always tidy my desk before I leave, mainly for myself, but if it helps others too then even better

I despise untidy work stations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of who you are you should always have consideration for other people. Everyone has a role to play in a business and they can’t function without the others

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Oh I absolutely think of these things all the time. At work and anywhere in public especially.

Also good to see you’re still here OP"

Thanks

Obviously sometimes things can slip our mind, or we tell ourselves I'll come back to it later but then other things delay that etc but just a general thought of responsibility for a mess or something goes a long way

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Those awesome people were right.

Me too. The only time I don't do that is if the counter is busy and there is no drop off section for used cups etc. Interrupting the staff to take the tray etc while they are overrun on rush hour would be more of a frustration to them I feel.

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I try to be considerate of those people I work with, and those who’s work I may impact.

It takes nothing to clean up after yourself, not leave shit floating in the toilet, not wiping snot on the bathroom walls, being polite to those people around you.

Sadly not everyone does and in my experience the sense of entitlement or that its “someone else's responsibility” is getting worse."

Sometimes I feel its entitlement, sometimes I feel its lazy - and I've already said sometimes it's just their own mind was busy elsewhere with their own issues.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I've always noticed it, but today in work it's been brought to my attention, front and centre.

Consideration for others and their job/role within the workplace. Do you think of these things, conscious or subconscious, when going about your day, in work or at out and about, or even at home?

These are things that are of no impact to the office staff roles, so it's not getting in the way of their own job.

Just a little consideration of what your own actions have upon others, and their own workload.

And yes I'm clearly back despite a goodbye post last week. I was talked in to sticking around by some awesome people. "

Sometimes some people need help in realising what selfish inconsiderate people they are. Sometimes some need a gentle reminder. Sometimes no matter what you do... They are inconsiderate. How many know their office cleaners names?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

Being inconsiderate means not thinking about others - sure this is not a deliberate action but it's nonetheless so being inconsiderate. Doing things on purpose that you know others won't like isn't being inconsiderate - it's being a c@nt.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

"I've always noticed it, but today in work it's been brought to my attention, front and centre.

Consideration for others and their job/role within the workplace. Do you think of these things, conscious or subconscious, when going about your day, in work or at out and about, or even at home?

These are things that are of no impact to the office staff roles, so it's not getting in the way of their own job.

Just a little consideration of what your own actions have upon others, and their own workload.

And yes I'm clearly back despite a goodbye post last week. I was talked in to sticking around by some awesome people.

Afternoon cleaners yes, night time arrive after I've left so no. Ditto security, and occy health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those awesome people were right.

Exactly this. It doesn't take much effort at all. What it does take is a mindset that realises the world doesn't revolve around you. Sadly, this is very rare.

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Consideration is a nice thought but ots not going to happen spontaneously.

Isn't it your job as the manager to demonstrate how theor actions are impacting another group?

Perhaps you already have

Sometimes these things aren't outright obnoxious behaviour rather just lack of awareness "

I'm the manager of the impacted group. The cleaners in this case having to constantly pickup discarded tissue near a bin, or thankfully none used toilet paper just dropped near a toilet. Or as I said in the OP bins overflowing well before a scheduled bin change - when the protocol is to call over and request it. Some of these are open plan floors so plenty of people can see it needs doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These things are always in my mind. I hate to put people out or cause them extra work. It makes me feel too bad.

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

I can understand that to a point. These are things that the same people (not all!) would likely instantly complain about if something were to inconvenience them too. Or if something else was not done, because the cleaner was having to deal with another issue they had caused.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

"Consideration is a nice thought but ots not going to happen spontaneously.

Isn't it your job as the manager to demonstrate how theor actions are impacting another group?

Perhaps you already have

Sometimes these things aren't outright obnoxious behaviour rather just lack of awareness

We had this in work, a few people filed the relevant online forms. Everyone else got used to them doing it. They eventually felt taken advantage of and decided to let others do it for a change. And then it results in chaos.

We asked for a few spare bin bags, apparently we can't be trusted with them. There are some serious nonsensical protocols in place in work sometimes.

Ps welcome back OP, I'm glad to see you back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am always considerate of my staff and work colleagues, but unfortunately so many are not.

Good to see you stuck around OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm more considerate of others than I am myself.

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Back in 2013 the site I was on had a huge problem with tiny black flies in the ladies toilets.

No amount of work on the cleaners part or by pest control could sort it out, couldn't even figure out where they were coming from.

After 3 months of this the company responsible for changing the hygiene bins complained that they were having to deal with infested bins each month.

Some dirty bugger was eating their lunch in the toilets and dumping the leftovers into the hygiene bins, and that's what the flies were feeding on.

Who the bollocks would do any part of that? Bloody grim.

Oh yes my team have had to deal with things like this all the time over the years. Little things like this make a huge difference to somebody else's work life. And these are the things I mean more than just a one off paper on the floor incident.

Another example was in a ladies toilet, there was blood in one cubicle - to this day we are not sure exactly why, but it's likely obvious as nobody had reported any injury or self harm - it was smeared on the cubicle wall and left there. Why not clean it up yourself if you feel embarrassed to report it?

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I’m glad you’re still here, I enjoy your posts

I used to have various cleaning jobs to find my clubbing days when I was in College, back in the day.

One thing I can say with great knowledge and experience is that folk are lazy twits if they know someone else will be cleaning up after them.

Ladies locker rooms just looked like they’d gone a bit wild with the talc! And you had a faint haze of hairspray hanging in the air. Much more reasonable.

So yeah, I feel your pain!

Thank you!

Honestly some of the things I've been told and seen in the ladies is rather shocking at times, beat the men at some questionable and disgusting states left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

Mr"

Perhaps I didn't articulate what I wanted to very well.

What I was trying to say is, people are often inconsiderate, doesn't make them a c*nt.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

It's also that some people don't take much notice of people who are not directly associated with what they do. Throughout my work I built relationships with all those support services a company uses as without them and good relationships with them, nobody can do their job propery. Whether it's the cleaners, the IT people, the security, whatever and whoever they are, I try to show my appreciation of what they do and how important their jobs are. Tbh I have benefitted from that myself as they are only too willing to help if I need anything and that annoys some other colleagues who don't have the same sort of relationship with them as sometimes are not as responsive to them as are to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have signs on the toilet doors with diagrams showing people how to use the toilets. Don't stand on the seat. Don't wipe shit everywhere. If you have an accident clean it up.

The office kitchen is always disgusting too.

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By *aitonel OP Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Consideration is a nice thought but ots not going to happen spontaneously.

Isn't it your job as the manager to demonstrate how theor actions are impacting another group?

Perhaps you already have

Sometimes these things aren't outright obnoxious behaviour rather just lack of awareness

We asked for a few spare bin bags, apparently we can't be trusted with them. There are some serious nonsensical protocols in place in work sometimes.

Ps welcome back OP, I'm glad to see you back "

Yes, I tend to notice this more and more. Or the assumption it will get fine itself eventually.

Haha to be fair the toilets have lockable toilet roll holders. We keep them unlocked incase it breaks off and it allows people access to the paper if it does break.

2020 and 2021 we had to lock them as people were stealing the rolls!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have signs on the toilet doors with diagrams showing people how to use the toilets. Don't stand on the seat. Don't wipe shit everywhere. If you have an accident clean it up.

The office kitchen is always disgusting too.

What does the don't wipe shit diagram look like

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By *eyond PurityCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I live in Leeds which is a very multi-cultural place. In a bank head office I used to work at the cubicles were regularly full of plastic cups of water.

People, before going to pray would wash their feet first by going into a cubicle with plastic cups of water and pouring water over their feet on and around the toilet seat

There were showers there but it wasn’t until an email went round the building asking people to stop washing their feet in the cubicles, did it cease

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Some people are just selfish. I'm very fortunate that I mostly work under clinical staff, the majority of which are very kind, compassionate and grateful. I've been overwhelmed by the appreciation I have received over the years from clinical staff who are far, far more senior than me. Of course there's the occasional dickhead but it's mostly same grade colleagues and middle managers I've found to be the most inconsiderate. I hate people with lack of consideration for the likes of cleaning staff. They're absolutely essential and often deal with things many of us wouldn't with a lot of grace. One of the lessons I always took from working in a hospital was to always be friendly to cleaners, porters, maintenance and IT because they're the people you're most likely to need to help you when you're in a pickle!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have signs on the toilet doors with diagrams showing people how to use the toilets. Don't stand on the seat. Don't wipe shit everywhere. If you have an accident clean it up.

The office kitchen is always disgusting too.

What does the don't wipe shit diagram look like

Thankfully it's just described in words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

Perhaps I didn't articulate what I wanted to very well.

What I was trying to say is, people are often inconsiderate, doesn't make them a c*nt. "

It's borderline though?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Used to have this issue when managing a large warehouse and pickers were leaving empty boxes and wrapping behind on the shelves and floor.

I was instructed by the MD to introduce a system where everyone was responsible for their own section of the warehouse and regardless of who made the mess they had to tidy it up.

I knew what would happen from previous experience in another company.

Everything was ok for a few weeks and then people started to deliberately leave rubbish in other areas either as a joke or to get someone in trouble.

It all kicked off until I reverted to the original clean as you go system and any rubbish found at the end of day could easily be traced to the last person picking that product and they were disciplined.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like most people aren't intentionally inconsiderate, just mainly focused on getting their own work done on time, rather than making sure they are being helpful to others...

Perhaps I didn't articulate what I wanted to very well.

What I was trying to say is, people are often inconsiderate, doesn't make them a c*nt.

It's borderline though?

I'd say there are levels of c*ntery.

Some excusable, some not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My mum always taught me to look after the people that look after you.

I always think of my impact or actions on others.

I don't like the people that think leave it for someone else to do with little or no regard for others.

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

I always been kind and considerate from young and I don’t think it is very hard to be like this but unfortunately not everybody is like this

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I was always taught, be nice to people as you go up the ladder, as you'll need them on the way down.

I consider myself considerate and gentlemanly. Let me know if you think otherwise

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