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" It depends if you lean out the window across the street, in order to slap someone on the other side of the road." 
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" It depends if you lean out the window across the street, in order to slap someone on the other side of the road.
I'm imaging kids running to one side of the border thumbing their nose at angry parents."Haha Epitome of 'wait until you get home' | |||
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"Personally, I agree with it. Corporal punishment has a place in the home ..but only when consenting adults are involved. "Yep  | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children "Very true. There seems to be a contingent of people who believe it's just parental chastisement,and context is needed for the severity of the smack. Maybe? But if everytime you messed up in work, someone slapped you lightly across the head or on the buttocks ( Forrest Gump accent optional), how would you feel? Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated. | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children
Very true. There seems to be a contingent of people who believe it's just parental chastisement,and context is needed for the severity of the smack.
Maybe? But if everytime you messed up in work, someone slapped you lightly across the head or on the buttocks ( Forrest Gump accent optional), how would you feel?
Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated."There's always the "never did me any harm" brigade. | |||
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"Oh and it's been illegal for an adult to hit another adult for a long time. Seems pretty messed up priorities to me" | |||
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"Oh and it's been illegal for an adult to hit another adult for a long time. Seems pretty messed up priorities to me" exactly | |||
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"Oh and it's been illegal for an adult to hit another adult for a long time. Seems pretty messed up priorities to me" Absolutely. It's even recognised that chastisement of dogs in Training is ineffective these days. Praise of positive behaviour, boundaries and consistency. A child's brain isn't fully developed, smacking has adverse impacts. To be quite honest it's some of the parents who need support with parenting skills. | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children "I was just going to post exactly this! | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children
I was just going to post exactly this!"Naughty step, taking away privileges or consoles etc always worked. Physical punishment is just another term for abuse. | |||
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"Oh and it's been illegal for an adult to hit another adult for a long time. Seems pretty messed up priorities to me Absolutely. It's even recognised that chastisement of dogs in Training is ineffective these days." In some cases. Not all. Positive only training does fuck all for true aggression cases. Thousands of agreasive dogs are put to sleep needlessly because positive reinforced training has failed them, and balanced training has been turned away because of ignorance for what it is. A friend of mine has saved the lives of many aggressive dogs by using balanced methods. Dogs that are now cared for in loving family homes. Far better behaved than 99% of the "fur babies" running around out there. Corrections are critical for dog training, especially specific breeds that are strong willed and breed for very specific purposes. Don't confuse balanced training with abuse training though. Balanced is corrections and rewards. Problem is "self taught" trainers assume they know what they are doing and mess it up, being more abusive than the training is. | |||
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"It is now illegal to smack a child in Wales. What about the small settlements in Wales/England border where one pub on one side of town was shut because of Covid lockdown and another on the other side of town was open. Will this lead to confusion? " Does this include ddlg relationships because no spanking could be a real issue | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children "Because my kids are absolute twats sometimes. | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children "The outrage over the law and how it will apparently lead to a society of reprobates is kind of disturbing. | |||
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" Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated. There's always the "never did me any harm" brigade. " Not sure you can dismiss all previous generations as a 'brigade'. | |||
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"I had a few short sharp shocks as a youngester (smack bottom). As I got older it was sent to bed and being grounded which hurt the most though. Specially when mates called round for me." Absolutely. I hated being grounded. | |||
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" Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated. There's always the "never did me any harm" brigade. Not sure you can dismiss all previous generations as a 'brigade'." I don't believe that all previous generations feel it didn't do them any harm. My grandparents and parents are very critical of the physical abuse they received at the hands of step parents and teachers when they were young. My dad went to a school where most of the teachers were ex military and they were vicious. Apparently a group came back and beat up one of the teachers who was particularly violent after they finished school. Doesn't sound like a healthy environment at all. | |||
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"Oh and it's been illegal for an adult to hit another adult for a long time. Seems pretty messed up priorities to me" But due to the police doing not a lot about it, people take things too far to get revenge on them. | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children
Very true. There seems to be a contingent of people who believe it's just parental chastisement,and context is needed for the severity of the smack.
Maybe? But if everytime you messed up in work, someone slapped you lightly across the head or on the buttocks ( Forrest Gump accent optional), how would you feel?
Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated."I totally agree that there is no place for smacking kids but this argument is illogical. You wouldn't expect your boss to make aeroplane noises with a spoon to encourage you to eat if you said you didn't feel like dinner either. The way we treat adults and children is very different for a variety of reasons and in many many circumstances. The argument that we don't do x with adults so shouldn't with children is inconsistent and irrelevant. Not smacking kids is an argument that stands on its own merits and needs no comparisons to justify it. Mr | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children "Quite so. I never laid a hand on mine and it was not negotiable that my husband of the time could either. | |||
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" Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated. There's always the "never did me any harm" brigade. Not sure you can dismiss all previous generations as a 'brigade'." I don't think I have. Not all previous generations believe that being physically punished as a child did them no harm. | |||
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"It is now illegal to smack a child in Wales. What about the small settlements in Wales/England border where one pub on one side of town was shut because of Covid lockdown and another on the other side of town was open. Will this lead to confusion? " What's happened on the Scottish English border, where this is not a new thing? This is effectively an "old news" thread really. Gbat | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children
Very true. There seems to be a contingent of people who believe it's just parental chastisement,and context is needed for the severity of the smack.
Maybe? But if everytime you messed up in work, someone slapped you lightly across the head or on the buttocks ( Forrest Gump accent optional), how would you feel?
Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated."Yeah and so are respect and manners of course | |||
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" Why teach children that this is acceptable. It's heavily outdated. There's always the "never did me any harm" brigade. Not sure you can dismiss all previous generations as a 'brigade'. I don't think I have. Not all previous generations believe that being physically punished as a child did them no harm." The problem is that there was a big difference in the bad old days between a caring mum giving a child a relatively light but nevertheless alerting smack on the bottom and a whipping or caning from some lying sadist who said "This hurts me far more tan it will hurt you". I endured the latter during my schooldays and it didn't do me a lot of good (luckily it didn't encourage me to join their ranks subsequently). However, I can't say that a well deserved smacked bottom from my mother didn't teach me quickly where the behavioural boundaries in the home were. Behavioural boundaries at school were confused by the profusion of confusing cultures which existed including the influence of an interest or not in sport, gangs, bullying, cliques, peer pressure to misbehave versus the desire to learn or be considered a swot. This a complex subject with no easy solutions. Steps in the right direction are likely to be welcomed by all reasonable people but nevertheless need thinking through very carefully. | |||
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"It is now illegal to smack a child in Wales. What about the small settlements in Wales/England border where one pub on one side of town was shut because of Covid lockdown and another on the other side of town was open. Will this lead to confusion? What's happened on the Scottish English border, where this is not a new thing? This is effectively an "old news" thread really. Gbat " The old border was Hadrians Wall. Does that divide Newcastle ? | |||
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"Why would there be massive confusion Tom? Do most English people want to dish out beatings as punishment? " No | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me" Same, hugs | |||
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"I wonder why we need legislation to tell adults not to physically harm their own children "Agree, and those that do will probably still do it anyway  | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me Same, hugs " Big hugs for you | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me" Do you think it would have stopped him if it was illegal? My grandad was a violent man I don't think it would have stopped him. | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me Do you think it would have stopped him if it was illegal? My grandad was a violent man I don't think it would have stopped him." Probably not in my case, but he wouldn't have been able to hide behind the fact he was "discipling" me. So people could turn a blind eye easier. | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me Do you think it would have stopped him if it was illegal? My grandad was a violent man I don't think it would have stopped him." No it probably wouldn't have as he knew I'd just take it but it would have stopped some other kids getting beaten by their parents I think | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me Do you think it would have stopped him if it was illegal? My grandad was a violent man I don't think it would have stopped him. Probably not in my case, but he wouldn't have been able to hide behind the fact he was "discipling" me. So people could turn a blind eye easier. " And it would have actually made it easier for me as a child to understand what he was doing was wrong. It's hard to understand that a smack is very different to a beating when you are little. | |||
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"Think this should have been law a long time ago, my dad kicked the crap out of me Do you think it would have stopped him if it was illegal? My grandad was a violent man I don't think it would have stopped him. Probably not in my case, but he wouldn't have been able to hide behind the fact he was "discipling" me. So people could turn a blind eye easier. And it would have actually made it easier for me as a child to understand what he was doing was wrong. It's hard to understand that a smack is very different to a beating when you are little. " Definitely agree with you | |||
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"Been banned in Scotland for years " I was a regular attender at the front of the class for the belt. There is no way it should ever be brought back. It wasn't even of it's time, it was just violence advocated by the school, local council and the government. | |||
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"What's happened on the Scottish English border, where this is not a new thing? This is effectively an "old news" thread really. Gbat The old border was Hadrians Wall. Does that divide Newcastle ?" Classic deflection. Have you thought about standing for a political position? Gbat | |||
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"What's happened on the Scottish English border, where this is not a new thing? This is effectively an "old news" thread really. Gbat The old border was Hadrians Wall. Does that divide Newcastle ? Classic deflection. Have you thought about standing for a political position? Gbat " Don't give him ideas | |||
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"My Grandad was hit often as a child. He was beasted in the Army later on. He never advocated any form of physical chastisement on children because he knew it was completely inappropriate and counterintuitive. The more my Grandad was caned for skipping school, the more he skipped school and the less he learned. He joined the Army at 14 instead. Plenty of older people were traumatised by the way they were hit, smacked, beaten as children. It's completely unnecessary and unacceptable to hit a child, no matter the reason or how "hard" you do it. " I agree and I've never understood how if I slapped the back of an adults legs because I didn't like what they said or did, or someone else's child it's assault but if I did it to my own child it isn't. | |||
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"What's happened on the Scottish English border, where this is not a new thing? This is effectively an "old news" thread really. Gbat The old border was Hadrians Wall. Does that divide Newcastle ? Classic deflection. Have you thought about standing for a political position? Gbat Don't give him ideas "Now that's an idea...  | |||
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"It is now illegal to smack a child in Wales. What about the small settlements in Wales/England border where one pub on one side of town was shut because of Covid lockdown and another on the other side of town was open. Will this lead to confusion? " Overall, they’ll probably figure it out, just as settlements on/straddling borders manage the world over. We couldn’t really have a situation where a law seen as beneficial to a country couldn’t be brought in because it might cause a bit of head-scratching along a border. | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!! "Scotland only banned outright in 2020. I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though. And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never. | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never."Reasonable punishment  . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never.
Reasonable punishment . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
"I dread to think. I mean you’d like to hope there wouldn’t be a list somewhere, but these days nothing would surprise me when it comes to the law. | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never.
Reasonable punishment . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
I dread to think. I mean you’d like to hope there wouldn’t be a list somewhere, but these days nothing would surprise me when it comes to the law."I find it surreal and bizarre that people would actually think that it's ok to use the word reasonable when talking about physically punishing a child. "Ok Fred that's you've hit him a reasonable amount you can stop now" . It's bonkers. | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never.
Reasonable punishment . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
I dread to think. I mean you’d like to hope there wouldn’t be a list somewhere, but these days nothing would surprise me when it comes to the law."Think when it came into Wales, it was something along the lines of the kind of mark that was left after the hit. I mean seriously what on earth | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never.
Reasonable punishment . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
I dread to think. I mean you’d like to hope there wouldn’t be a list somewhere, but these days nothing would surprise me when it comes to the law.
Think when it came into Wales, it was something along the lines of the kind of mark that was left after the hit. I mean seriously what on earth "Jesus Christ! | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never.
Reasonable punishment . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
I dread to think. I mean you’d like to hope there wouldn’t be a list somewhere, but these days nothing would surprise me when it comes to the law.
Think when it came into Wales, it was something along the lines of the kind of mark that was left after the hit. I mean seriously what on earth
Jesus Christ! "Whilst absolutely against corporal punishment, there has to be *some* definition. If a child reaches for a cup of tea on a table, stick a fork in a plug socket or run into a road you may act fast to push their hand/body away with your hand. A smack to me is leaving a mark or intending the action to cause pain or distress. The purpose and intent are more important than the action, but they could look identical | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!!
Scotland only banned outright in 2020.
I believe in England and Northern Ireland it is illegal for a parent or carer to smack their own child unless it amounts to “reasonable punishment”, so they’ve not banned it outright (yet). I may be wrong though.
And whilst Wales may be late in getting on board, it’s better late than never.
Reasonable punishment . I wonder if some people sat in a room and listed these reasonable punishments and the misdemeanours they should be applied to or are they leaving it up to individual courts to decide. Maybe there's a handy guide somewhere so that unwary parents don't dish out one more hit than is legally allowed.
I dread to think. I mean you’d like to hope there wouldn’t be a list somewhere, but these days nothing would surprise me when it comes to the law.
Think when it came into Wales, it was something along the lines of the kind of mark that was left after the hit. I mean seriously what on earth
Jesus Christ!
Whilst absolutely against corporal punishment, there has to be *some* definition. If a child reaches for a cup of tea on a table, stick a fork in a plug socket or run into a road you may act fast to push their hand/body away with your hand. A smack to me is leaving a mark or intending the action to cause pain or distress. The purpose and intent are more important than the action, but they could look identical "That's not punishment though. I had occasion to tap my children's hands when they reached for a hot cup of tea for instance but not frequently and I never needed to do more than tap their hand away. | |||
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"Its 2022 and its took them this long to decide its wrong!!!!! "Yes, slow! But not as slow as the English government, who still think it's okay. Gbat | |||
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"Would a guide book be useful here as someone suggested? Also it could have a pull out map so that parents should be in no doubt which technique to use. There could be an app but in my expery mobile phone coverage is very poor along Offa's Dyke which is the true Welsh border. Or even at Hadrian's wall to the north " Kind of like a karma sutra but for smacking? I think you're onto something. Obviously it would need to be a download, not a website, so those living in desolation can nip to their local piece of civilisation to grab some free wifi to get it. It could be a whole series, like a Dummies Guide. Could have one for wife beating, where to punch that the bruises don't show so much etc. Honestly Tom, I underestimated you... | |||
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"Does this law stop you hitting other peoples kids?" It's always an assault when you beat someone. However, some assaults are lawful, for instance, self defence, or arresting an offender, as long as only reasonable force is used. For common assault (essentially an assault that leaves no injury) there used to be a defence that the assault was a reasonable chastisement of your child. It was never legal to hit them and leave marks, but now the defence of lawful chastisement has also been removed. It was never a defence to chastise someone else's child. For anyone getting mixed up with kids grabbing for a hot cuppa or running into the road, it's still very legal to grab them to stop them and protect them. So to answer your question, you can hit other people's kids, but it better be for a fucking good reason! (and you will probably have to explain that reason either to their angry parent, the police, a court, or possibly all of them!). Gbat | |||
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"Does this law stop you hitting other peoples kids? It's always an assault when you beat someone. However, some assaults are lawful, for instance, self defence, or arresting an offender, as long as only reasonable force is used. For common assault (essentially an assault that leaves no injury) there used to be a defence that the assault was a reasonable chastisement of your child. It was never legal to hit them and leave marks, but now the defence of lawful chastisement has also been removed. It was never a defence to chastise someone else's child. For anyone getting mixed up with kids grabbing for a hot cuppa or running into the road, it's still very legal to grab them to stop them and protect them. So to answer your question, you can hit other people's kids, but it better be for a fucking good reason! (and you will probably have to explain that reason either to their angry parent, the police, a court, or possibly all of them!). Gbat " What if they have a weapon? | |||
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"What if they have a weapon? Other people's kids or the ones grabbing a hot cuppa? Gbat " :Tongue in cheek alert: When my kids had an automatic rifle in one hand a hunting knife between their teeth and reached for a hot cup of tea I used to ground them and take their teddy away. | |||
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"What if they have a weapon? Other people's kids or the ones grabbing a hot cuppa? Gbat :Tongue in cheek alert: When my kids had an automatic rifle in one hand a hunting knife between their teeth and reached for a hot cup of tea I used to ground them and take their teddy away. " When we were kids then everyone carried a knife to cut wood, make bows and arrows and cut rope, played split the kipper... No one stabbed | |||
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" I totally agree that there is no place for smacking kids but this argument is illogical. You wouldn't expect your boss to make aeroplane noises with a spoon to encourage you to eat if you said you didn't feel like dinner either. The way we treat adults and children is very different for a variety of reasons and in many many circumstances. The argument that we don't do x with adults so shouldn't with children is inconsistent and irrelevant. Not smacking kids is an argument that stands on its own merits and needs no comparisons to justify it. Mr" Over a day later after reading the above post, my mind is still confused. I've tried every spoon in my cutlery drawer and I can't seem to get any of them to make an aeroplane noise! Are we talking piston, turboprop or jet? | |||
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"Personally, I agree with it. Corporal punishment has a place in the home ..but only when consenting adults are involved. "This | |||
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"Totally agree with the new law though I thought it was already in place to be honest. Don't understand why we are always the first for the laws though paying for carrier bags, 50p a unit for alcohol and now the smacking ban are we the UK guinea pigs . "Been that way since they drowned a village to water the scum and the scousers. No international sanctions back then though. | |||
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"We used to play split the knife. You had to hit it just right with a frozen Kipper. Those were the days. Of course, if you got it wrong, you'd get a beating when you got home, but that was expected then, wasn't it? The hot summers lasted for nine months, every winter had huge snowdrifts, you could call at any house to get a cup of tea and often they would give you lashings of apple pie to take with you. Only occasionally would they murdr children and even then they wouldn't put the images online. Gbat " Were you in the Famous Five (except for the murder bit)? | |||
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"I think the law as it stands in England is sufficient. I remember when I was in school in Scotland during the 1950s & 60s, the law allowed corporal punishment and the school also allowed written punishment lines. Teachers used to give the boys the belt (strap across the hand) or line but the girl could only be given lines. This caused complaints, the girl wanted to be given the belt because the belt lasted about 5 minutes at the most but writing 50 or 100 lines took between half an hour to an hour or longer and also induced very painful writer’s cramp in the hand. I should also add we used to have a teacher who would use lines as punishment, however he insisted that each alternate letter was in a different colour of ink (e.g. blue, red, blue, red) you can imagine how long that took to write out. Also I have a personal memory of my own experience of corporal punishment in the home, my brothers, sister and I were brought up by my mother, we all respected her and she never used to smack us except for one day when I was about 13 or 14, I was doing something I cannot remember what but I persisted doing it after repeated warning to stop doing what I was doing. My mother final said if you do not stop, I will whip you (we used to ride and had a number of riding crops and a whip. I could tell she was serious about her threat, even though I had not been hit before but I knew my mother would keep her word. I repeated what I was doing and she took the whip from the hall and struck me across the back of my legs. Did this have a lasting effect on me, yes, but not what many may think, rather than feeling abused or hard done by, I felt very ashamed that I had forced my mother to punish me in this way. I knew doing it hurt her more than it hurt me and that was my fault and it made me value my mother more. I understand there is a time and a place for corporal punishment and nothing will convince me otherwise. What I do think is wrong is when a parent or anyone hits out in temper because they have lost control, that is when harm is done. " Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? | |||
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"I think the law as it stands in England is sufficient. I remember when I was in school in Scotland during the 1950s & 60s, the law allowed corporal punishment and the school also allowed written punishment lines. Teachers used to give the boys the belt (strap across the hand) or line but the girl could only be given lines. This caused complaints, the girl wanted to be given the belt because the belt lasted about 5 minutes at the most but writing 50 or 100 lines took between half an hour to an hour or longer and also induced very painful writer’s cramp in the hand. I should also add we used to have a teacher who would use lines as punishment, however he insisted that each alternate letter was in a different colour of ink (e.g. blue, red, blue, red) you can imagine how long that took to write out. Also I have a personal memory of my own experience of corporal punishment in the home, my brothers, sister and I were brought up by my mother, we all respected her and she never used to smack us except for one day when I was about 13 or 14, I was doing something I cannot remember what but I persisted doing it after repeated warning to stop doing what I was doing. My mother final said if you do not stop, I will whip you (we used to ride and had a number of riding crops and a whip. I could tell she was serious about her threat, even though I had not been hit before but I knew my mother would keep her word. I repeated what I was doing and she took the whip from the hall and struck me across the back of my legs. Did this have a lasting effect on me, yes, but not what many may think, rather than feeling abused or hard done by, I felt very ashamed that I had forced my mother to punish me in this way. I knew doing it hurt her more than it hurt me and that was my fault and it made me value my mother more. I understand there is a time and a place for corporal punishment and nothing will convince me otherwise. What I do think is wrong is when a parent or anyone hits out in temper because they have lost control, that is when harm is done. " Do you genuinely believe its ok to be completely rational, calm and reasonable and hit a child? | |||
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"I think the law as it stands in England is sufficient. I remember when I was in school in Scotland during the 1950s & 60s, the law allowed corporal punishment and the school also allowed written punishment lines. Teachers used to give the boys the belt (strap across the hand) or line but the girl could only be given lines. This caused complaints, the girl wanted to be given the belt because the belt lasted about 5 minutes at the most but writing 50 or 100 lines took between half an hour to an hour or longer and also induced very painful writer’s cramp in the hand. I should also add we used to have a teacher who would use lines as punishment, however he insisted that each alternate letter was in a different colour of ink (e.g. blue, red, blue, red) you can imagine how long that took to write out. Also I have a personal memory of my own experience of corporal punishment in the home, my brothers, sister and I were brought up by my mother, we all respected her and she never used to smack us except for one day when I was about 13 or 14, I was doing something I cannot remember what but I persisted doing it after repeated warning to stop doing what I was doing. My mother final said if you do not stop, I will whip you (we used to ride and had a number of riding crops and a whip. I could tell she was serious about her threat, even though I had not been hit before but I knew my mother would keep her word. I repeated what I was doing and she took the whip from the hall and struck me across the back of my legs. Did this have a lasting effect on me, yes, but not what many may think, rather than feeling abused or hard done by, I felt very ashamed that I had forced my mother to punish me in this way. I knew doing it hurt her more than it hurt me and that was my fault and it made me value my mother more. I understand there is a time and a place for corporal punishment and nothing will convince me otherwise. What I do think is wrong is when a parent or anyone hits out in temper because they have lost control, that is when harm is done. Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different?" I struggle with this too | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different?" Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love" How do you hit a child out of love?? What a load of old cobblers (and that's the polite version). Perhaps violent spouses should be forgiven, if they beat their partner "out of love"? | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love" Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them? | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love" Any form of physical attack that is not consensual cannot be described as through love… | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them?" Wife beaters used to say that. You only do it cause you love 'em. | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them? Wife beaters used to say that. You only do it cause you love 'em." A lot of abuse is carried out in the name of love apparently | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them? Wife beaters used to say that. You only do it cause you love 'em. A lot of abuse is carried out in the name of love apparently" Like U2 records you mean? | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them? Wife beaters used to say that. You only do it cause you love 'em. A lot of abuse is carried out in the name of love apparently Like U2 records you mean?" . Yep | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them? Wife beaters used to say that. You only do it cause you love 'em. A lot of abuse is carried out in the name of love apparently Like U2 records you mean? . Yep"I thought you were meant to Stop! in the name of love. Maybe it's one of those misheard lyrics? | |||
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" Hitting an adult is assault… why should hitting a child be any different? Read what I wrote then perhaps you may comprehend the difference. One is done through anger one is done through love Is it ok to hit an adult if you love them? Wife beaters used to say that. You only do it cause you love 'em. A lot of abuse is carried out in the name of love apparently Like U2 records you mean? . Yep
I thought you were meant to Stop! in the name of love. Maybe it's one of those misheard lyrics?"Now that's a tune. No, I meant U2's "In the naaaaaame of love, one more in the name of love" | |||
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"Going off at a slight tangent. I was watching Good Karma Hospital recently, a male doctor had dumped a female doctor and left. On his return a female nurse punched him in the nose as did his ex. Everyone including him said he deserved it. I was horrified that this was seen as ok. Imagine if it had been a woman who'd been punched on the nose for dumping a guy then told she deserved it. There are some seriously mucked up ideas when it comes to physical violence" There's a lot of hypocrisy like that. I do not agree with it at all! | |||
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"Going off at a slight tangent. I was watching Good Karma Hospital recently, a male doctor had dumped a female doctor and left. On his return a female nurse punched him in the nose as did his ex. Everyone including him said he deserved it. I was horrified that this was seen as ok. Imagine if it had been a woman who'd been punched on the nose for dumping a guy then told she deserved it. There are some seriously mucked up ideas when it comes to physical violence There's a lot of hypocrisy like that. I do not agree with it at all!" I think it ties in with the idea that there are certain types of people that it is ok to physically assault because they've done something wrong or hurt your feelings. | |||
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"Meanwhile, back on the Welsh borders... What would happen if the hospital was bang, smack on the border. It's a bit like the plane which crashes into Offa,s Dyke. Where do they bury the survivors? England or Wales?" I’d imagine the survivors would be a bit miffed if you tried burying them | |||
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"Wales is a lovely place to be buried. We have something for everyone. Sunshine and seashores. Rain and mountains. Castles, pubs, pubs and Castles. "Pubs called The Castle.. | |||
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"Totally agree with the new law though I thought it was already in place to be honest. Don't understand why we are always the first for the laws though paying for carrier bags, 50p a unit for alcohol and now the smacking ban are we the UK guinea pigs " I'm not so sure about the alcohol unit pricing, but the others are good things. Why wait for other less progressive Governments to catch up? We're not guinea pigs, we're leaders. These laws are brought in by the Welsh Government for people in Wales. It's got nothing to do with any other UK Government and is part of Welsh self determination. Gbat | |||
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"Meanwhile, back on the Welsh borders... What would happen if the hospital was bang, smack on the border. It's a bit like the plane which crashes into Offa,s Dyke. Where do they bury the survivors? England or Wales? I’d imagine the survivors would be a bit miffed if you tried burying them" 
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