FabSwingers.com forum: Only wanting to meet people who don't want to meet me

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

Obviously I don't want to meet people I don't fancy. However, I sometimes go off people I do fancy when they express an interest in meeting me. Also, sometimes, I get messages from people I ought to, on the face of it, want to meet, but feel that I don't want to.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)"

Don't we all want what we can't have...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In that case I don't want to meet you

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)"

I kinda get where you're coming from. There are people I fancy on fabs but if they expressed an interest (and if we were meeting - which we're not atm) I'd probably think I wasn't 'good enough' to meet them so maybe it's an issue of self-esteem as much as anything.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)

Don't we all want what we can't have...

To the exclusion of all else? Should being able to have it make us no longer want it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"In that case I don't want to meet you

lol You know very little about me. I think my profile has been hidden longer than you've been around here.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I tend to fancy men , that don't fancy me.. I am a pretty confident person but sometimes it does knock my confidence...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you feel like this just towards new people or do you feel the same with people you have already met?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)

Don't we all want what we can't have...

To the exclusion of all else? Should being able to have it make us no longer want it?"

I recall being in the same situation just recently.... Had a woman completely love me... And another who couldn't be bothered I existed.... Guess for a million pounds which I was into....

... It's been that way for me as long as recall.... Even now.... However doesn't apply to meets in my case just relationships

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you feel like this just towards new people or do you feel the same with people you have already met?"

It's just new people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't we all want what we can't have...

we sure do, i find im always attracted to met who have no interest in me

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"I'd probably think I wasn't 'good enough' to meet them "

Sometimes we think that when looking at certain profile pics

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

This is pure, hedonistic pleasure for me. I'm looking for temporary playmates not life partners.

The day I start feeling anyone is too good for me would mean I didn't think I was good enough for them. At that point I'd walk away and rediscover myself.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Kinky - I sometimes find that while I may have fancied them before... once we made contact they look , sound and feel different and thats before we even meet.

Thats what you are saying isnt it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you feel like this just towards new people or do you feel the same with people you have already met?

It's just new people."

Same here!!

If anyone I know get's in touch I'm off to buff bronze and get summer ready...If someone new says let's meet, I'm suddenly shampooing the dog (which I don't have) or visiting my son, or anything else I can come up with to talk myself out of it!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't overtly think anyone is too good for me (and if they thought they were that would turn me off right away) but it could be a subconscious thing I suppose.

I do tend to wonder why, say, an athletic person would want to meet a lardarse, but it's up to them.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)

Don't we all want what we can't have...

To the exclusion of all else? Should being able to have it make us no longer want it?

I recall being in the same situation just recently.... Had a woman completely love me... And another who couldn't be bothered I existed.... Guess for a million pounds which I was into....

... It's been that way for me as long as recall.... Even now.... However doesn't apply to meets in my case just relationships"

I am the women that loves and get walked over more times than a welcome mat...

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By *ont Ask Dont GetWoman
over a year ago

amersham

The fantasy of someone is possibly more attractive than what they may be like in reality. Maybe you are subconsciously trying to avoid the let down?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Kinky - I sometimes find that while I may have fancied them before... once we made contact they look , sound and feel different and thats before we even meet.

Thats what you are saying isnt it? "

No, not really.

Examples:

I get a message from someone. It's a good message, they match my preferences, their profile appeals and their photos aren't unattractive (I rarely think pwooar over photos and can't judge if I fancy someone from them. Not unattractive is as good as it gets, usually, from a photo). But I don't want to meet.

I see someone on the forum. They are funny and again, good profile and photos. I'll joke with them but if they contact me, I wouldn't want to meet.

I message someone who I like. They reply with interest. I lose interest.

It got to the stage that I wanted meets but I didn't want to meet anyone. I hid my profile at that point!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Kinky - I sometimes find that while I may have fancied them before... once we made contact they look , sound and feel different and thats before we even meet.

Thats what you are saying isnt it?

No, not really.

Examples:

I see someone on the forum. They are funny and again, good profile and photos. I'll joke with them but if they contact me, I wouldn't want to meet.

I message someone who I like. They reply with interest. I lose interest.

It got to the stage that I wanted meets but I didn't want to meet anyone. I hid my profile at that point!"

So are you saying that for you a good part of the fun is about the chase but not the kill?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Kinky - I sometimes find that while I may have fancied them before... once we made contact they look , sound and feel different and thats before we even meet.

Thats what you are saying isnt it?

No, not really.

Examples:

I see someone on the forum. They are funny and again, good profile and photos. I'll joke with them but if they contact me, I wouldn't want to meet.

I message someone who I like. They reply with interest. I lose interest.

It got to the stage that I wanted meets but I didn't want to meet anyone. I hid my profile at that point!

So are you saying that for you a good part of the fun is about the chase but not the kill? "

I honestly don't know. V. confused at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The fantasy of someone is possibly more attractive than what they may be like in reality. Maybe you are subconsciously trying to avoid the let down?"

Maybe. I had two meets last year which were dreadful and I've had relatively few since. Perhaps that's it. If they're interested in meeting I subconsciously think they'll behave the same way.

Logically I know that's stupid, of course. Subconsciously though, possible.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Kinky - I sometimes find that while I may have fancied them before... once we made contact they look , sound and feel different and thats before we even meet.

Thats what you are saying isnt it?

No, not really.

Examples:

I see someone on the forum. They are funny and again, good profile and photos. I'll joke with them but if they contact me, I wouldn't want to meet.

I message someone who I like. They reply with interest. I lose interest.

It got to the stage that I wanted meets but I didn't want to meet anyone. I hid my profile at that point!

So are you saying that for you a good part of the fun is about the chase but not the kill?

I honestly don't know. V. confused at the moment."

I dont know whether the following makes sense but I feel quite enthusiastic about the scene, meeting people socially and for play times but every now and again I have a moment of "reflection" in want of a better word and then I ask myself why I am doing this, what I am looking for and I sometimes struggle to find a satisfactory answer. Usually, that moment of reflection passes quickly though, if it did not I would hide my profile and take a break as I have done a couple of times. Does that resonate with you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can relate to what you say here, I have been on and off the site for the last three years, this is the first time I have actually felt totally relaxed about being here, I'm taking life in the slow lane at the mo as I'm struggling with meeting new people, I'm inundated with requests but doing a good job of talking myself out of meeting people I don't know!...I don't know why I feel like that, I hope it will change in time

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Kinky - I sometimes find that while I may have fancied them before... once we made contact they look , sound and feel different and thats before we even meet.

Thats what you are saying isnt it?

No, not really.

Examples:

I see someone on the forum. They are funny and again, good profile and photos. I'll joke with them but if they contact me, I wouldn't want to meet.

I message someone who I like. They reply with interest. I lose interest.

It got to the stage that I wanted meets but I didn't want to meet anyone. I hid my profile at that point!

So are you saying that for you a good part of the fun is about the chase but not the kill?

I honestly don't know. V. confused at the moment.

Yes, to an extent. I'm thinking of trying a club to see if it's different, and how.

I think perhaps it's the anonymous nature of the meets that is bothering me. I'm sure it's just a temporary thing.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I am quite a decisive person - not always a good thing. I can make snap decisions and regret them later. But just put that down to experience. So when I decided to go online to basically find partners for sex the decision was made and I've not regretted it so far. It's been 18months though I started on a few other sites before I found this one. Apart from illness or being away I have had meets pretty much every weekend and also now have an fb. I never talk myself out of a meet and always look forward to meeting new people.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

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Do you sometimes feel positive about meeting ina club only to then think that perhaps parties are better to maybe meeting one to one might be an option? I know I have done - almost like never beeing 100 percent sure of what one wants? Maybe it is the nature of the scene but more importantly, some of us have a low boredome threshold and I include myself here. It takes quite a bit for something/ sombody to hold my attention. Does that play a part in your thinking?

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

We always want what we can't have

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"We always want what we can't have

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I can relate to that also.

And I was just thinking that I find myself more attracted to reflective or silly/ banter type threads than the "Fancy/ shag/ etc" type threads. Nothing wrong with the latter but I get bored quickly as I said above. So maybe the choice of what we are attracted to, in terms of posting, meeting, playing....all life choices really reflects a little bit on how much new stimualation we need and conversely how much we like an element of security/ repetition.

Like I said, nothing wrong with either.. just different strokes for different folks?

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I will also say from a single female, I haven't had that many meets, especially in the last two years, sometimes I try and put myself out there and things seem to being going well, until they maybe get a bit too pushy to meet and just puts me off.

Then there are times, when I get a complete influx of email on here, ie I can log in and within 30 minutes, I've got a deluge of over another 30 messages and I'm not even going to say, how many current unread I have.....that I just feel overwhelmed and stops me from emailing anyone back!

So I will admit, sometimes I am my own worst enemy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am quite a decisive person - not always a good thing. I can make snap decisions and regret them later. But just put that down to experience. So when I decided to go online to basically find partners for sex the decision was made and I've not regretted it so far. It's been 18months though I started on a few other sites before I found this one. Apart from illness or being away I have had meets pretty much every weekend and also now have an fb. I never talk myself out of a meet and always look forward to meeting new people."

The odd thing for me is I've had lots of fun on the site and apart from a couple of occasions when meets haven't gone to plan, there has been nothing that I regret. On the whole I enjoy meeting new people, but for some reason something is stopping me at the moment even though I want too! I hate messing people about so may be it's easier to talk myself out of meeting than making arrangements and backing out further down the line, something which I have never done...I think I need a swift kick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In that case I don't want to meet you

lol You know very little about me. I think my profile has been hidden longer than you've been around here."

I feel you get a better understanding of someone from talking through the forums than you really do form a profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fantasy of someone is possibly more attractive than what they may be like in reality. Maybe you are subconsciously trying to avoid the let down?

Maybe. I had two meets last year which were dreadful and I've had relatively few since. Perhaps that's it. If they're interested in meeting I subconsciously think they'll behave the same way.

Logically I know that's stupid, of course. Subconsciously though, possible."

Is there anyone you're friends with off here that you could meet up with for just a coffee? It would still be a 'meet' but totally safe as you'd know they were a decent person and nothing 'bad' would happen. You could do that a few tmes and slowly convince your subconscious that meeting was fun again.

I sometimes feel that way (as per your OP). I don't worry about it too much, I just lay low for a bit. I think there's no harm in taking a break for a while. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)"
always the case ! When it is hot wont it to be cold and when cold please be hot

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Maybe it is just nerves. I just imagine that they will be just as nervous as me, maybe more so since I meet at mine mostly and feel comfortable on home ground as it were. It helps that I am quite a gregarious individual as well, and have lots of confidence (which is most likely down to age but I always did have a fair bit of confidence).

I guess, at my age, and with numerous experiences behind me I have a lot of self-knowledge and care very little about people's opinions of me as they really have no important impact on my life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you sometimes feel positive about meeting ina club only to then think that perhaps parties are better to maybe meeting one to one might be an option? I know I have done - almost like never beeing 100 percent sure of what one wants? Maybe it is the nature of the scene but more importantly, some of us have a low boredome threshold and I include myself here. It takes quite a bit for something/ sombody to hold my attention. Does that play a part in your thinking? "

The low boredom threshold is certainly me, so yes I need someone or something to hold my attention. I recently walked away from a FB relationship or whatever you wish to call it simply because he did very very little to keep me interested.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I will also say from a single female, I haven't had that many meets, especially in the last two years, sometimes I try and put myself out there and things seem to being going well, until they maybe get a bit too pushy to meet and just puts me off.

So I will admit, sometimes I am my own worst enemy

Ah yes, the feeling of being overwhelmed and not wanting to reply to anyone I can definitely relate to.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Having given this more thought, I think part of the problem comes down to being cynical of late. I find myself wondering if they're being sincere or if they just want a shag and they don't much care who with.

Maybe that shouldn't bother me on this sort of site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry Kinks - only just spotted this one!

There's many a person on site i'll banter away with for hours that I'd never imagine meeting for fun - and i'm sure that works both ways! There's also many that I view and think (probably as guilty as many - singles and couples alike) that I sound ideal for them and meet all their needs and wants. Then of course, as everyone will have experienced - there's those that for whatever reason aren't your cupof tea and who just don't like rejection and feel the need for an explanation as to why!

Life - even Fab life - is never easy in terms of any kind of relationship - social, sexual or the inbetween FB scenario.

Guess it's just a 'try or you'll never know' situation - which is probably why although I previously focussed more on the straightforward fun meets, I now tend to indulge in more socials too - whether that's just an added means of getting better aquainted with people or just because I enjoy the chat and banter.

But i've always been a great believer in 'if you're not comfortable - don't go there', be that any form of interaction, virtual or in person. And also while it's good to have rules and stick to them - a little bending and the occasional bout of spontaneity is healthy too!

I'm sure you'll work the situation out for yourself - and there's no rush, when you feel comfortable doing something you'll do it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's just been pointed out to me (by someone who knows me well and has done for a very long time) that I go through this sort of phase every year in October, approaching the time the clocks change. It manifests in a number of ways, including affecting confidence and motivation and making me doubt and question more.

I hadn't realised, but this observation is absolutely accurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the same vein as the Groucho Marx quote, I sometimes don't want to meet people who want to meet me.

At times it feels like I only want to meet people if they don't want to meet me.

Fear of meeting? Knowing I tend to like gits and arseholes, so not wanting to meet anyone I like in case they are a git or an arsehole?

Thoughts?

I've stopped meeting for the time being and this is part of the reason why.

(This is my amateur psychoanalysis question from early this morning, for those of you that saw the thread)"

Lacking in confidence?

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By *he Original TTMan
over a year ago

Brackley, Northants

"Do you feel like this just towards new people or do you feel the same with people you have already met?

It's just new people."

I feel much better about you turning me down some time ago now!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bumped for Lickety

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

She told me she didn't like being bummed 'cos she might split

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

shockarooney,a woman who cant make up her mind what she wants.

next you'll be telling us snow is white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What the living fuck is this op on about??? beats me ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"shockarooney,a woman who cant make up her mind what she wants.

next you'll be telling us snow is white.

Brilliant. Great thread.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bumping this for Lickety and those seeking to understand Grouchoitis.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Bumping this for Lickety and those seeking to understand Grouchoitis."

Lickety all caught up now. I have suffered from this condition. it is possible to get better and it's not terminal. It can feel interminable whence in its midst!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have been forsaken by Mr Whack for fear of it being contagious.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I have been forsaken by Mr Whack for fear of it being contagious.

He's an eager pup. Dangle a doggy treat in front of him and he'll come back with his tail waggling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a case of not wanting to meet anyone but yet still being happy to waste the time of those that are interested based purely on the selfish reason of enjoying the attention gained from it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sounds like a case of not wanting to meet anyone but yet still being happy to waste the time of those that are interested based purely on the selfish reason of enjoying the attention gained from it."

Excuse me? My profile quite clearly says I'm not meeting at the moment.

How am I wasting anyone's time. Except me own, when I reply to the messages I am STILL getting about meets?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Oh, and just to add, I actually hid my profile for several weeks, as an initial response to the problem. Now I've unhidden it but it is very clear I am not meeting, and I've also removed my all the "looking for" ticks so I don't show on searches.

Wasting anyone's time? Yeah, right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't actually read your profile. If you've stated that you're not meeting then fair enough. That's their fault for not reading then!

I'd just read the post and figured you'd not even given them any idea that you weren't meeting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hiya kinky hants maybe the whle thing and the whole forum has a touch of truth for you ? maybe the whle thing stems back to cnfidence or lack of it who knows ,but maybe if too much on here hide your profile for as long as you feel you need maybe never re open it ,perhapes try just a bog standard datng site ? although saying that sum of the people on there have less manners and a re more crude. perhapes just concentrate on your frends around you at momnet ? I have no answer for you sorry just maybe,s and ideas.xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I haven't actually read your profile. If you've stated that you're not meeting then fair enough. That's their fault for not reading then!

I'd just read the post and figured you'd not even given them any idea that you weren't meeting."

At the time I wrote this my profile was hidden and had been for a while.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"hiya kinky hants maybe the whle thing and the whole forum has a touch of truth for you ? maybe the whle thing stems back to cnfidence or lack of it who knows ,but maybe if too much on here hide your profile for as long as you feel you need maybe never re open it ,perhapes try just a bog standard datng site ? although saying that sum of the people on there have less manners and a re more crude. perhapes just concentrate on your frends around you at momnet ? I have no answer for you sorry just maybe,s and ideas.xx"

Dating? What on earth makes you think I'd want a dating site?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I pushed a couch down the road for 3 weeks I would give up leave it and move on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I pushed a couch down the road for 3 weeks I would give up leave it and move on."

The thread or the site?

The thread has only been bumped for someone who missed it, to save having to try and explain it all again.

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over a year ago

"I haven't actually read your profile. If you've stated that you're not meeting then fair enough. That's their fault for not reading then!

I'd just read the post and figured you'd not even given them any idea that you weren't meeting.

At the time I wrote this my profile was hidden and had been for a while."

Fair play. I was commenting on the thread topic. I don't own a crystal ball and I can't read minds! :p

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over a year ago

"I haven't actually read your profile. If you've stated that you're not meeting then fair enough. That's their fault for not reading then!

I'd just read the post and figured you'd not even given them any idea that you weren't meeting.

At the time I wrote this my profile was hidden and had been for a while.

Fair play. I was commenting on the thread topic. I don't own a crystal ball and I can't read minds! :p"

But you're happy to jump to the conclusion I'd mess people about?

Fifth post in the thread states my profile is hidden and suggests it had been for a while.

You may not have a crystal ball but a quick read of the thread would have shown that, as would a look at the first few lines of my profile.

Strangely I don't appreciate being accused of wilfully wasting people's time.

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over a year ago

"If I pushed a couch down the road for 3 weeks I would give up leave it and move on.

The thread or the site?

The thread has only been bumped for someone who missed it, to save having to try and explain it all again."

Ah right and there is me using the Search forum subjects: box I must be going wrong.

Shoot the couch, make do with what is available to sit on and bury the carcass.

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over a year ago

"I haven't actually read your profile. If you've stated that you're not meeting then fair enough. That's their fault for not reading then!

I'd just read the post and figured you'd not even given them any idea that you weren't meeting.

At the time I wrote this my profile was hidden and had been for a while.

Fair play. I was commenting on the thread topic. I don't own a crystal ball and I can't read minds! :p

But you're happy to jump to the conclusion I'd mess people about?

Fifth post in the thread states my profile is hidden and suggests it had been for a while.

You may not have a crystal ball but a quick read of the thread would have shown that, as would a look at the first few lines of my profile.

Strangely I don't appreciate being accused of wilfully wasting people's time."

You are VERY quick to jump on the defensive. Clearly you're getting overly sensitive on every little thing when there's no need. If you open up a forum thread you are openly inviting everyone to comment so don't start complaining when people do.

If you are trying to start an arguement out of nothing then clearly this site isn't the ideal place to be.