FabSwingers.com forum: How far are we from WW3?

By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

All these sanctions having zero effect on this war for Putin.

Poland getting more involved due to borders and the huge increase of people crossing over.

Huge increases in the price of oil and food etc

Saudi refusing to bring the price of oil down as requested by America.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Close. The US is losing its lead and Russia and friends knows this.

Also could be considered a war over fossil fuels. Maybe after we’ve cleared the rubble a world council will rule no more gas or oil. Renewable only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i dont see it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No idea and I don’t wanna know. I can’t control it.

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By *ncubus XMan
over a year ago

midlands - glasgow - islands

It’s happening either Cold War 2 or WW3 is playing out now - we are starving them of money and hacking the shit out of Russia as they are to us - next he will cut the gas supply one way or another this is already playing out.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Close. The US is losing its lead and Russia and friends knows this.

Also could be considered a war over fossil fuels. Maybe after we’ve cleared the rubble a world council will rule no more gas or oil. Renewable only."
so what about cars etc... can hardly get rid of all the proper cars

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"Close. The US is losing its lead and Russia and friends knows this.

Also could be considered a war over fossil fuels. Maybe after we’ve cleared the rubble a world council will rule no more gas or oil. Renewable only. so what about cars etc... can hardly get rid of all the proper cars "

Wars are accelerators for change so who knows?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We won't go to war unless he attacks us

There is no appetite for it

However, if we keep poking, we may get bit

I think if we send the Polish planes in, that'd be enough...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Different kind of warfare now. I think it’s more like Cold War 2.0.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

It's a test. Putin is seeing how far he can push the West. He likely gambled that Covid had weakened our resolve, but looks like he miscalculated. Anyway as Munich, The Edge of War reminds us, you cannot afford to appease dictators.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No there will be no war,Just a lot if posturing and trying to look strong.Also trying to reassure allies on both sides

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Russia has been buzzing our airspace more frequently for a while, their submarines have been more aggressive plus staging fancy assassinations. Russia is ready and wants a confrontation.

They’ll take Moldova, the Baltic states and try to get favourable governments across the east.

They’ll grow in strength in Africa and the Middle East.

It’s the biggest nation on the earth right at the heart of the Eurasian land mass.

I’m not into scare mongering but a war has been brewing for years unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No where near,

neighbouring countries fighting isnt a world war,it will be if other countries armys are called up.

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

I’m a WV postcode

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Russia will not back down whilst Putin is in charge it's not in their nature.

If he's taken out it will be seen as an attack on mother Russia and he will become a martyr.

This is going to go on for a really long time I fear.

He's holding all the card's and he knows it.

Or only hope is China distances themselves from Russia but if he's backed into a corner it could be worse.

The USA might sit back and let Europe fight it out if there is no direct threat to them but can't see that happening.

Sadly as someone had already pointed out the Ukrainian might be a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter for the greater good of the world.

But will it end there??

I fear WW3 had begun already it's a matter of time to see how it escalates.

But what the fuck do I know I'm just a carpenter and only know from various news channels,radio and TV broadcast.

An uneducated guess at best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most likely he should stop at the Dneiper river. It's a natural border across Ukraine and Belarus.

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By *appycouple300Couple
over a year ago

North Dorset

"Russia will not back down whilst Putin is in charge it's not in their nature.

If he's taken out it will be seen as an attack on mother Russia and he will become a martyr.

This is going to go on for a really long time I fear.

He's holding all the card's and he knows it.

Or only hope is China distances themselves from Russia but if he's backed into a corner it could be worse.

The USA might sit back and let Europe fight it out if there is no direct threat to them but can't see that happening.

Sadly as someone had already pointed out the Ukrainian might be a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter for the greater good of the world.

But will it end there??

I fear WW3 had begun already it's a matter of time to see how it escalates.

But what the fuck do I know I'm just a carpenter and only know from various news channels,radio and TV broadcast.

An uneducated guess at best."

Putin has totally misjudged the strategic context of what he has done. Not only that, Russia have got it so wrong on the Operational and Tactical level too.

Russia CANNOT take and hold Ukraine. He cannot even take half of Ukraine, let alone hold it. He will be ousted from within in time.

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By *onlywishiMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Russia will not back down whilst Putin is in charge it's not in their nature.

If he's taken out it will be seen as an attack on mother Russia and he will become a martyr.

This is going to go on for a really long time I fear.

He's holding all the card's and he knows it.

Or only hope is China distances themselves from Russia but if he's backed into a corner it could be worse.

The USA might sit back and let Europe fight it out if there is no direct threat to them but can't see that happening.

Sadly as someone had already pointed out the Ukrainian might be a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter for the greater good of the world.

But will it end there??

I fear WW3 had begun already it's a matter of time to see how it escalates.

But what the fuck do I know I'm just a carpenter and only know from various news channels,radio and TV broadcast.

An uneducated guess at best.

Putin has totally misjudged the strategic context of what he has done. Not only that, Russia have got it so wrong on the Operational and Tactical level too.

Russia CANNOT take and hold Ukraine. He cannot even take half of Ukraine, let alone hold it. He will be ousted from within in time. "

With his loyal mates who are losing money everyday and looks likely they struggle to get the power they once had ?

The only way they can come out of this with anything is to stop putin from pushing the nuclear button!!

Pull out the troops and help with their own money to rebuild the country?

Think it needs NATO to push a little bit harder for the guys near putin to put and end to his rule !

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Russia has been buzzing our airspace more frequently for a while, their submarines have been more aggressive plus staging fancy assassinations. Russia is ready and wants a confrontation.

They’ll take Moldova, the Baltic states and try to get favourable governments across the east.

They’ll grow in strength in Africa and the Middle East.

It’s the biggest nation on the earth right at the heart of the Eurasian land mass.

I’m not into scare mongering but a war has been brewing for years unfortunately."

They have to take Ukraine first and the Baltic States are members of NATO so that a whole different prospect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All these sanctions having zero effect on this war for Putin.

Poland getting more involved due to borders and the huge increase of people crossing over.

Huge increases in the price of oil and food etc

Saudi refusing to bring the price of oil down as requested by America.

WW3 Started 31 years ago and has t stopp. It just wasn't in Europe. This is WW4 you're talking about

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Putin has backed himself into a corner, and there's only two ways out - get taken out by his own people (difficult, unlikely but possible) or he'll start pushing buttons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Approximately 1948 miles

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

The thing that troubles me is all the calls for NATO to intervene.

NATO don’t seem too interested in the Saudi’s bombing Yemen with training and weapons purchased from NATO.

This is not a NATO matter, in fact it’s the growth and threat from NATO that has got Putin so twitchy.

Fortunately the leaders realise that NATO kinetic effect against Russian forces will result in total war and are doing all they can to stay out of a fight that will be disastrous to all.

Ultimately NATO could as things stand defeat Russia, let’s face it, everyday this conflict in the Ukraine goes on, Russian forces are diminished and spread thinner.

I can’t understand why the United Nations are so docile in this situation.

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"The thing that troubles me is all the calls for NATO to intervene.

NATO don’t seem too interested in the Saudi’s bombing Yemen with training and weapons purchased from NATO.

This is not a NATO matter, in fact it’s the growth and threat from NATO that has got Putin so twitchy.

Fortunately the leaders realise that NATO kinetic effect against Russian forces will result in total war and are doing all they can to stay out of a fight that will be disastrous to all.

Ultimately NATO could as things stand defeat Russia, let’s face it, everyday this conflict in the Ukraine goes on, Russian forces are diminished and spread thinner.

I can’t understand why the United Nations are so docile in this situation. "

The UN is pretty toothless. The General Assembly can't pass binding resolutions and Russia has a veto on any security council resolutions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No…NATO won’t get involved unless a member state is attacked. If there is any whiff of nuclear button pushing (that isn’t just posturing) either a military coup will happen or someone within his inner circle or from within will put one in behind his ear. Nuclear war is a lose/lose and no one will want to see them and their families vaporised by a madman because he has no other way out…no matter how loyal they are.

This may rumble on but unless a NATO country is attacked it will become geurilla warfare on the streets of Ukraine and as previously said there is no way Russia can hold it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nuclear threat aside if NATO got involved with a true show of force (if indeed it ever came to that) then this thing would be over within a week.

However the nuclear posturing is the issue. NATO won’t get involved anyway

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

"so what about cars etc... can hardly get rid of all the proper cars "

No use with no fuel. Strong incentive to go electric.

The govt are planning to tax the hell out of ICE (proper) cars anyway.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"so what about cars etc... can hardly get rid of all the proper cars

No use with no fuel. Strong incentive to go electric.

The govt are planning to tax the hell out of ICE (proper) cars anyway. "
I'm a petrol head. I shall be keeping my car till there is no other option. Currently on the hunt for a v6 version of my car

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

"Currently on the hunt for a v6 version of my car "

I totally get it, but the way things are going it’s likely to become prohibitively and expensive to run.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Currently on the hunt for a v6 version of my car

I totally get it, but the way things are going it’s likely to become prohibitively and expensive to run. "
I'll sell my soul.. it will be okay. It can't run on e10 anyways.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Anyway to answer the OP... I think this is the closest we have been to another world war for along time but.. I do not think Russia wants that anymore than we do.

Putin- I think he will be removed from power

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By *quirtyndirty!Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Close. The US is losing its lead and Russia and friends knows this.

Also could be considered a war over fossil fuels. Maybe after we’ve cleared the rubble a world council will rule no more gas or oil. Renewable only."

In that case the world goes back to the middle ages. God help us

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

At its crux, it's willy waving not world war 3. Diabolical slips by western governments have led to this situation, on top of the awful Putin.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Russia is now sanctioning grain etc in retaliation to those the West have implemented. To say the West's sanctions aren't or haven't worked isn't true OP.

It's led to near 300 major companies to exit or suspend operations in Russia by choice - remember all that is sanctioned is Russian freight, oil, gas and Russian finance.

Once the public see places of employment closing, places of convenience or goods ceasing on such a massive scale, not only the economy will be hit but people will start to question why, as companies will state why they are existing. Putin needs a consistent message, which prison sentences etc wont help.

USA/Europe are pretty together on this - Putin is the aggressor, not until he exists should he be trusted in the remotest.

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

"Close. The US is losing its lead and Russia and friends knows this.

Also could be considered a war over fossil fuels. Maybe after we’ve cleared the rubble a world council will rule no more gas or oil. Renewable only.

In that case the world goes back to the middle ages. God help us

A nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, tidal and hydrothermal powered Middle Ages? So not that different to now but with fewer emissions?

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

"At its crux, it's willy waving not world war 3. Diabolical slips by western governments have led to this situation, on top of the awful Putin. "

Just what diabolical political slips justify bombing an independent country?

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By *appycouple300Couple
over a year ago

North Dorset

"Nuclear threat aside if NATO got involved with a true show of force (if indeed it ever came to that) then this thing would be over within a week.

However the nuclear posturing is the issue. NATO won’t get involved anyway "

This comment is 100% correct

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By *asycouple1971 OP Couple
over a year ago

midlands

No sure if its true or not but Albert Einsten said

"Im not sure what weapons they will use for WW3 but WW4 will be fought with sicks and stones"

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