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"I am not a big royalist, probably neutral. But I do feel for the Queen, she lost her husband, then had stress of Harry and now stress of Andrew. Yet she tries to get back up and keep serving the nation. " Last year the queen was paid £85.9 million of our money. While I'd rather have my £1.29 back, since I'm not going to get it, she can keep "working". | |||
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"I am not a big royalist, probably neutral. But I do feel for the Queen, she lost her husband, then had stress of Harry and now stress of Andrew. Yet she tries to get back up and keep serving the nation. " 
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"She also now has the Charles scandal of British citizenship for a large donation" maybe 's rich donor pal helped andy out.. | |||
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" maybe 's rich donor pal helped andy out.." Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow " Victim blaming 
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"Apparently the settlement is more money than he actually has. I wonder how he plans to raise the money?" Questions will be asked in Parliament about the source of the money | |||
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"Bit of bullshit on both sides, if he did what she claimed he did, sorry but in my opinion nobody in that situation would settle for money over justice," Of course they would if they knew they would be fighting some of the best lawyers in town. That they'd be subject to some pretty underhand and invasive questioning and discretion of every little bit of their life before, during and after the event. The guy is a x royal, what justice do you think would have been dealt out in a civil case other than damages being awarded? There is no criminal conviction in a civil case. Money was only ever going to be the end result. Settling out of court does not make you any less of a victim. We need to stop this narrative! | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow " How do you know he 'clearly didn't force her'? | |||
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"He's paid a sum of money that in essence are damages to her reputation that were caused by his name, not him personally. Plus the money went to her charity, so for him that's the best possible outcome. How many people are now questioning her motive as she was supposed to strive for truth not money. In essence many are all nosy parkers and delight in a scandal..." I don't trust her either. I don't believe either are completely innocent. | |||
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"Oh the Grand Old Duke of York He gave 10 million quid To someone who he'd never met For something he never did!"  | |||
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"Apparently the settlement is more money than he actually has. I wonder how he plans to raise the money?" Mum'll Fix It! | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow " Virginia Giuffre was sixteen when she met Ghislaine Maxwell. That well known friend to young girls. Girlfriend to the convicted sex offender Epstein. Maxwell has just been found guilty of trafficking girls for Epstein to abuse. And Andrew chose to associate with them despite Epstein's conviction. He's just agreed never to deny again that he r@ped Giuffre. But all of your censure is for a woman who was 17 when she was introduced to the Prince by Maxwell aged 17. Right. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow Virginia Giuffre was sixteen when she met Ghislaine Maxwell. That well known friend to young girls. Girlfriend to the convicted sex offender Epstein. Maxwell has just been found guilty of trafficking girls for Epstein to abuse. And Andrew chose to associate with them despite Epstein's conviction. He's just agreed never to deny again that he r@ped Giuffre. But all of your censure is for a woman who was 17 when she was introduced to the Prince by Maxwell aged 17. Right." You're quite right. Anyone who doubts how coercive and controlling Epstein and Maxwell were needs to experience what they did. | |||
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"I'm off to Buckingham Palace as I've heard The Prince is giving millions to Strangers. " There is a PHOTO everywhere of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffre.  | |||
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"I'm off to Buckingham Palace as I've heard The Prince is giving millions to Strangers. There is a PHOTO everywhere of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffre. "But oddly nobody can produce the original. | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original." She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 | |||
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"I am not a big royalist, probably neutral. But I do feel for the Queen, she lost her husband, then had stress of Harry and now stress of Andrew. Yet she tries to get back up and keep serving the nation. " Here here.. Well said!! | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011" Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. " I think the flight logs on the private jet say they were on the plane at the same time | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. " . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so. | |||
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"Sometimes, it's cheaper to do that, both in finances and mental health than months or years of it being dragged through the press and court. It isn't necessarily an admission of guilt. It's simply the price to pay for being wealthy and in the public eye. I am neither defending nor accusing him. Simply trying to shed light on what it is like to be in that position."
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so." | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow " ........................ Ahhh more victim shaming, it's a precarious way to earn a living, the litigation costs if the objective doesn't go to plan are usually catastrophic. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow ........................ Ahhh more victim shaming, it's a precarious way to earn a living, the litigation costs if the objective doesn't go to plan are usually catastrophic." Which is why they use public shaming of the perpetrator to try and settle out of court as quickly as possible instead. | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so." ........................... The girl was a "willing escort", how do you know this, especially if they were a minor at the time with emotional development still to do? Just because she appeared willing doesn't mean it was so. Many children involved in the sex trade are vulnerable, have adverse childhood experiences, are traffic'd and easily manipulated by groomers offering fake approval. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow ........................ Ahhh more victim shaming, it's a precarious way to earn a living, the litigation costs if the objective doesn't go to plan are usually catastrophic. Which is why they use public shaming of the perpetrator to try and settle out of court as quickly as possible instead." .......................... Which is a risky pursuit if the (usually) wealthy defendant decides to use their redources to contest the allegation, the 'victim' would be ruined by it. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow ........................ Ahhh more victim shaming, it's a precarious way to earn a living, the litigation costs if the objective doesn't go to plan are usually catastrophic. Which is why they use public shaming of the perpetrator to try and settle out of court as quickly as possible instead. .......................... Which is a risky pursuit if the (usually) wealthy defendant decides to use their redources to contest the allegation, the 'victim' would be ruined by it." Which is why the defendants have lawyers who take a huge cut _ased on the payout. The risk in entirely the lawyer's. | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so. ........................... The girl was a "willing escort", how do you know this, especially if they were a minor at the time with emotional development still to do? Just because she appeared willing doesn't mean it was so. Many children involved in the sex trade are vulnerable, have adverse childhood experiences, are traffic'd and easily manipulated by groomers offering fake approval." Because she chose her own clients and even asked to be 'recommended' to their friends. She worked for herself. No contact or decisions were made via third parties. That's how I know because I didn't get the information from the news. | |||
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"Apparently the settlement is more money than he actually has. I wonder how he plans to raise the money? Questions will be asked in Parliament about the source of the money " I’ll be surprised if they do, they are all corrupt in parliament, the amount MPs claim in expenses and for the most trivial things they are mostly all on the fiddle, the last man to enter parliament with good intentions was Guy Fawkes | |||
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"Oh the Grand Old Duke of York He gave 10 million quid To someone who he'd never met For something he never did!" LBC - James O Brian | |||
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"The settlement is clearly an admission that he did have sex with Virginia. I’m also interested in whether we will now not see disclosure of Maxwells black book and find out who else is named as someone who had sex with the women who were involved in Epstein’s trafficking " It is not clearly an admission. It could be for very many reasons such as the least damage to Royals or to save him time and trouble in court.... It's not an admission of anything. Cases are not clear cut and simple as people seem to think they are..... damage limitation and in any case he can afford it. | |||
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"Apparently the settlement is more money than he actually has. I wonder how he plans to raise the money? Questions will be asked in Parliament about the source of the money I’ll be surprised if they do, they are all corrupt in parliament, the amount MPs claim in expenses and for the most trivial things they are mostly all on the fiddle, the last man to enter parliament with good intentions was Guy Fawkes " Don't trifle with facts or anything - just dismiss every MP who has ever lived as corrupt. | |||
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"I am not a big royalist, probably neutral. But I do feel for the Queen, she lost her husband, then had stress of Harry and now stress of Andrew. Yet she tries to get back up and keep serving the nation. " It's her job. Nothing more | |||
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"The settlement is clearly an admission that he did have sex with Virginia. I’m also interested in whether we will now not see disclosure of Maxwells black book and find out who else is named as someone who had sex with the women who were involved in Epstein’s trafficking It is not clearly an admission. It could be for very many reasons such as the least damage to Royals or to save him time and trouble in court.... It's not an admission of anything. Cases are not clear cut and simple as people seem to think they are..... damage limitation and in any case he can afford it." Guilty as sin. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow " When did she say she just wanted to sleep with an English Prince ? A photograph is not evidence of them having sex. It's evidence that they met if it is a legit photo which I believe it is. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow When did she say she just wanted to sleep with an English Prince ? A photograph is not evidence of them having sex. It's evidence that they met if it is a legit photo which I believe it is." | |||
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"The settlement is clearly an admission that he did have sex with Virginia. I’m also interested in whether we will now not see disclosure of Maxwells black book and find out who else is named as someone who had sex with the women who were involved in Epstein’s trafficking It is not clearly an admission. It could be for very many reasons such as the least damage to Royals or to save him time and trouble in court.... It's not an admission of anything. Cases are not clear cut and simple as people seem to think they are..... damage limitation and in any case he can afford it. Guilty as sin." Guilty of what ? Sex ? He's a sleaze bag. He hung out with self indulgent people and arrogantly thought he wouldn't be caught but what EXACTLY is he guilty of ? | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so. ........................... The girl was a "willing escort", how do you know this, especially if they were a minor at the time with emotional development still to do? Just because she appeared willing doesn't mean it was so. Many children involved in the sex trade are vulnerable, have adverse childhood experiences, are traffic'd and easily manipulated by groomers offering fake approval. Because she chose her own clients and even asked to be 'recommended' to their friends. She worked for herself. No contact or decisions were made via third parties. That's how I know because I didn't get the information from the news." ......................... Nonetheless she was a child as you acknowledged in your original post, it's unlikely she had the same faculties and emotional intelligence as you or I. | |||
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"I am going to sit on the fence . My observations of this . VG has from seeing on tv and reading news feeds . She wanted to name all MEN etc and hold them to account. If going by photo’s there are a lot more MEN who she could possibly name , take to court . That make Prince Andrew in financial terms look very poor . Would there have been the amount of world wide media coverage every week etc ? So naming Prince Andrew means big world wide coverage and publicity . ? I would if given opportunity to now ask VG if she is going to name the other MEN. If not then why not ,as she has said. As others have posted . She wants justice for the victims etc. Not about getting money . Yes Prince Andrew is idiot for mixing with Epstein etc. But if looking at other rich and famous ? people then they did also. " Load of shite  | |||
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1. She has insufficient proof so stands little chance of winning.
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow " Digusts me how men automatically label a woman who stands up and wants compensation for a wrong done to her when she was underage as a "money grabbing cow". Nonce Andrew is a paedophile, he was involved with known sex traffickers, he's paid money to stop a court case where worse than is already known could be revealed. Anyone standing up for a nonce is a nonce sympathizer. | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so. ........................... The girl was a "willing escort", how do you know this, especially if they were a minor at the time with emotional development still to do? Just because she appeared willing doesn't mean it was so. Many children involved in the sex trade are vulnerable, have adverse childhood experiences, are traffic'd and easily manipulated by groomers offering fake approval. Because she chose her own clients and even asked to be 'recommended' to their friends. She worked for herself. No contact or decisions were made via third parties. That's how I know because I didn't get the information from the news. ......................... Nonetheless she was a child as you acknowledged in your original post, it's unlikely she had the same faculties and emotional intelligence as you or I." Legal age being 18 in that country. I know women here who have had a child at 17. That 'minor' was 17 years, 10 months old at the time she engaged with the man I know. | |||
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"Of course she done it for money. She may have donated it to charity but she'll make millions from American show appreanceses ect. And wouldn't surprise me if her auto biography comes out. Which in most cases are never written by them anyhow." ....................... Obviously she's done it for the money, the restitution in a civil case is usually a financial one and it's unlikely the Duke would have made himself available for a criminal trial in a foreign country! | |||
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" And wouldn't surprise me if her auto biography comes out. Which in most cases are never written by them anyhow." ........................... There'll probably be a gagging clause preventing her talking about it. | |||
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"He clearly didn't force her to do it. I really don't like the arrogant prick at all. She obviously did sleep with him but she did it so she could say she had slept with an English prince. The interesting thing is only a proportion of the money is going to charity, that could be say 1% of the 12 million. She is keeping the rest plus the $500000 she got from Epstein. She is just a money grabbing cow Digusts me how men automatically label a woman who stands up and wants compensation for a wrong done to her when she was underage as a "money grabbing cow". Nonce Andrew is a paedophile, he was involved with known sex traffickers, he's paid money to stop a court case where worse than is already known could be revealed. Anyone standing up for a nonce is a nonce sympathizer. " Ah the old if you don’t agree with me you must be the same argument, argument | |||
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"Of course she done it for money. She may have donated it to charity but she'll make millions from American show appreanceses ect. And wouldn't surprise me if her auto biography comes out. Which in most cases are never written by them anyhow." It was said that there was a payment plus a donation to her charity if that’s true I wonder what the split would be ? Or is that just cynical  | |||
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" But oddly nobody can produce the original. She gave the original to the FBI in 2011 Yes that is what is being reported. It still can't be produced apparently which is a shame since it would verify that she at least met him. . This is a very good point here. I have close and personal experience of someone who went to prison for sex with a minor. The girl was a willing escort and a couple of months under age at the time he engaged her services. She chose her clients. She had a little black book of high visibility and wealthy clients. The clients had no idea how young she was because she portrayed herself as 21. How the press portrayed him and the other high profilers during the case, you'd think they were paedophiles of the highest order who regularly partakes in orgies with underaged girls. I know him very well, since childhood and he is NOTHING like that. However, he is from a family with a name and are wealthy. That's all the press needs to feed on. My caution is truly, do not believe everything you read in the press. They will and do fabricate information and present them as facts to fill a page and the other news agencies don't do their due diligence on it in their rush to pick up on that news and get it out as fast as they can. I'm not saying that is the case here. I haven't bothered reading this sort of gossip news for years but whatever the 'facts', they may or may not be so. ........................... The girl was a "willing escort", how do you know this, especially if they were a minor at the time with emotional development still to do? Just because she appeared willing doesn't mean it was so. Many children involved in the sex trade are vulnerable, have adverse childhood experiences, are traffic'd and easily manipulated by groomers offering fake approval. Because she chose her own clients and even asked to be 'recommended' to their friends. She worked for herself. No contact or decisions were made via third parties. That's how I know because I didn't get the information from the news. ......................... Nonetheless she was a child as you acknowledged in your original post, it's unlikely she had the same faculties and emotional intelligence as you or I. Legal age being 18 in that country. I know women here who have had a child at 17. That 'minor' was 17 years, 10 months old at the time she engaged with the man I know. " ......................... Having a child isn't an indication of emotional maturity, often it's the opposite. It looks like the jury who convicted the man you know had a different view about his behaviour having heard all the evidence. | |||
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