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"I've just seen a profile where the person said she wasn't interested in Tories. Now I have no love for our current PM, nor many of the front bench for that matter, but I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. Anyway it got me thinking, any other views welcome.. " Pretty common these days to see “no tories” For extra funny, ask them what a Tory is. In my experience most people saying that don’t know a damned thing about politics, it’s just “cool” to be anti Tory | |||
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" I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. " I would dislike them if they voted National Front, Britain First or UKIP | |||
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"I've just seen a profile where the person said she wasn't interested in Tories. Now I have no love for our current PM, nor many of the front bench for that matter, but I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. Anyway it got me thinking, any other views welcome.. " Not sure about banning it... But for a site providing a way of getting people together and enjoy ecahothers company ... It seems a great way to divide people and put unnecessary obstacles in the way... Might as well add religion in there as well... No catholics , atheists, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims etc... Or perhaps professions... No teachers, lawyers, physios, nurses, builders... It's a funny old world. | |||
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" I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. I would dislike them if they voted National Front, Britain First or UKIP" | |||
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"Well I’ve just seen a status update that says he’s anti vax anti mask and a racist and proud of all three and his bio states no lefties amongst other things. That’s a little stronger than No Tories but at least we all know what we’re dealing with. "Yeah, I like to know I'm compatible with someone and I might get on with them. Let's get it out of the way and find out before we invest any time. | |||
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"Well I’ve just seen a status update that says he’s anti vax anti mask and a racist and proud of all three and his bio states no lefties amongst other things. That’s a little stronger than No Tories but at least we all know what we’re dealing with. "I bet he’s got them queuing up round the corner  | |||
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"I've just seen a profile where the person said she wasn't interested in Tories. Now I have no love for our current PM, nor many of the front bench for that matter, but I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. Anyway it got me thinking, any other views welcome.. " No, absolutely not. Politics is linked to pretty much everything. There is a board to keep the subject separate from the rest of FAB. As with all things, particularly here, if you don’t like it then look elsewhere. Each to their own… | |||
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"There is a profile in my area that says, No Brexiteers... Not sure why ? " At least that will give you something to think about tonight, instead of sharks  | |||
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"I hate it, yes i have my own personal beliefs but politics should be exactly that... personal, only wankers try and change others views, be it politics, religion ect. I tend to avoid certain people in the forum who turn most things around into politics. And those that state they refuse to meet certain party supporters then no loss... they're wankers too "I wish there was a clapping emoji, but 100% agree with this | |||
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"I'd have had a lot less sex on here if I'd specified not Tories or Brexiteers. It's all fine as long as we don't talk about it. When it becomes a campaign to convert me, or belittle my beliefs then I stop finding them sexy, for some reason. The people I like spending a lot of time with share my politics. Our political arguments and differences sit within common values. As a filter, if you're going to object to politics then you really should object to the race filter too. All the identity filters get defended as personal choice. Although, what you vote isn't as obvious as your colour on a set of pictures of random body parts. On the fora, there is a special place for anyone wanting to talk about actual party politics. " I agree with what your saying but comparing race to political persuasion is a bit wide of the mark. | |||
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"There is a profile in my area that says, No Brexiteers... Not sure why ? " That D'Artagnan is a right pain | |||
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" I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. I would dislike them if they voted National Front, Britain First or UKIP" Good point | |||
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"So you want to limit people's expression or curtail their ability to meet who they choose?" It comes down to this for me really. So what if they don't want to meet a certain political party supporter. So what if they don't want to meet people they don't find attractive. So what if they don't want to meet a certain race. It is their choice. Regardless of reasons for it. Nobody should ever be pressured in to who interacts with their body. Their reasons are their reasons and it is none of anyone else's business. Homophobic, transphobic, racist, ageist, sexist, whateveristphobic... Their body, their choice. Get over it. Just accept it, somebody wants nothing to do with you sexually (or even none sexually) because of a personal choice of your own. | |||
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" Interesting that "No Tories" raises more objections than "No blacks" (a thread the other day)..." My grandad carried an organ donor card in his wallet. He was happy to donate any of his organs, even skin and eyes. But in pen he added "not to Tories" | |||
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" Interesting that "No Tories" raises more objections than "No blacks" (a thread the other day)... My grandad carried an organ donor card in his wallet. He was happy to donate any of his organs, even skin and eyes. But in pen he added "not to Tories"" Wow | |||
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"I'd have had a lot less sex on here if I'd specified not Tories or Brexiteers. It's all fine as long as we don't talk about it. When it becomes a campaign to convert me, or belittle my beliefs then I stop finding them sexy, for some reason. The people I like spending a lot of time with share my politics. Our political arguments and differences sit within common values. As a filter, if you're going to object to politics then you really should object to the race filter too. All the identity filters get defended as personal choice. Although, what you vote isn't as obvious as your colour on a set of pictures of random body parts. On the fora, there is a special place for anyone wanting to talk about actual party politics. I agree with what your saying but comparing race to political persuasion is a bit wide of the mark." My comparison is purely about what people choose to communicate about their preferences. Both are preferences, just one is more visibly apparent. | |||
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"when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are " Would you have shagged Eva Braun or Hitler ? | |||
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"I'd have had a lot less sex on here if I'd specified not Tories or Brexiteers. It's all fine as long as we don't talk about it. When it becomes a campaign to convert me, or belittle my beliefs then I stop finding them sexy, for some reason. The people I like spending a lot of time with share my politics. Our political arguments and differences sit within common values. As a filter, if you're going to object to politics then you really should object to the race filter too. All the identity filters get defended as personal choice. Although, what you vote isn't as obvious as your colour on a set of pictures of random body parts. On the fora, there is a special place for anyone wanting to talk about actual party politics. I agree with what your saying but comparing race to political persuasion is a bit wide of the mark. My comparison is purely about what people choose to communicate about their preferences. Both are preferences, just one is more visibly apparent. " Apologies. I misunderstood the comparison. I’m mixed Asian and have no problem with people having “No Asians” on their profile. I just use it as a filter. | |||
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"I'd have had a lot less sex on here if I'd specified not Tories or Brexiteers. It's all fine as long as we don't talk about it. When it becomes a campaign to convert me, or belittle my beliefs then I stop finding them sexy, for some reason. The people I like spending a lot of time with share my politics. Our political arguments and differences sit within common values. As a filter, if you're going to object to politics then you really should object to the race filter too. All the identity filters get defended as personal choice. Although, what you vote isn't as obvious as your colour on a set of pictures of random body parts. On the fora, there is a special place for anyone wanting to talk about actual party politics. I agree with what your saying but comparing race to political persuasion is a bit wide of the mark. My comparison is purely about what people choose to communicate about their preferences. Both are preferences, just one is more visibly apparent. Apologies. I misunderstood the comparison. I’m mixed Asian and have no problem with people having “No Asians” on their profile. I just use it as a filter." Yes. It's a brilliant filter. I'd rather not waste my time. | |||
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"when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are Would you have shagged Eva Braun or Hitler ?" So I'm guessing you ask what someone's politics are before you shag them, what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? | |||
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"when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are Would you have shagged Eva Braun or Hitler ? So I'm guessing you ask what someone's politics are before you shag them, what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? " I've met people in a group context who've gone on rants about how terrible a group of people are. A group of people I'm a member of. Having to bite my tongue while someone is spouting bile about me is not fun. Unless meeting doesn't involve talking? My meets involve conversation. | |||
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"I personally think that politics should be kept away from fab, to be honest, when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are " Because for some people they don't want to fuck just anyone, attractive or not. A large number of all people gain a stronger sexual attraction from a mental connection with others. If I won't enjoy their company away from the bedroom, I won't enjoy having sex with them simple as that. I'm not alone on that view. As for what reasons and factors dictate I'd enjoy their company, that's for me and them to know. Could be politics, could not be. I know there are a good number of extremely physically attractive people on the forum I have no interest in having any sexual interaction with because I know I could not stand to be around them or their views. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? " I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist" Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, | |||
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"when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are Would you have shagged Eva Braun or Hitler ? So I'm guessing you ask what someone's politics are before you shag them, what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? " A fair amount, to me. Politics is in everything. More so the older I get. | |||
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"When I first saw this thread I thought it said "Should politicians be banned from FAB?"" No. I have a fantasy of a threesome with Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, " Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. | |||
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"when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are Would you have shagged Eva Braun or Hitler ? So I'm guessing you ask what someone's politics are before you shag them, what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I've met people in a group context who've gone on rants about how terrible a group of people are. A group of people I'm a member of. Having to bite my tongue while someone is spouting bile about me is not fun. Unless meeting doesn't involve talking? My meets involve conversation."
The best sex engages the brain, for me.
I didn't share party politics with the person who put me on Fab, but we could debate our different points and had sex discussing the general election at that time. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. " | |||
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"To be honest I am not here for political debate or virus debates so I tend to stay away from them I am here to make friends and let my hair down and go wild " As am I | |||
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"when it comes down to carnal last, who cares what someone's politics are Would you have shagged Eva Braun or Hitler ? So I'm guessing you ask what someone's politics are before you shag them, what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? A fair amount, to me. Politics is in everything. More so the older I get. " Politics reflect our values - yes I like to share some values someone I'm sleeping with. | |||
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"I'm not interested in discussing woodburners but I don't think it should be banned from Fab" Bloody woodburners, coming over here taking jobs of perfectly good fires | |||
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"Imagine if you found out you'd unwittingly slept with a Tory though? Would you have to contact all your previous sexual partners so they can get tested? " | |||
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"That would be impossible as fab itself by its very nature is political. Daily lobbying and more manoeuvres than Downing Street." Just with less parties | |||
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" Bloody woodburners, coming over here taking jobs of perfectly good fires" | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. " Exactly, the fact we're even here right now having this conversation is related to politics. Swinging could be made illegal, websites of a sexual nature could be banned, etc. | |||
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"I am not sure if such a thing as a Brexiteer actually exists. Surely bothe Tories, Labour and greens were on both sides. And some who voted for Brexit would now vote Remain. I prefer the term 'Brexit Fluid'" Sounds revolting. | |||
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"I often hear people say *fuck the tories". I thought they'd be a popular choice, or accommodating at least. " | |||
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"I've just seen a profile where the person said she wasn't interested in Tories. Now I have no love for our current PM, nor many of the front bench for that matter, but I wouldn't dislike someone because of the way they voted. Anyway it got me thinking, any other views welcome.. " No. Their profile, their filters. Not sure how they vet political affiliation though. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. " I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion." Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. " I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. " Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. " Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that."You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that."Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party? | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics. "Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party? "If they are interested in me and we share common interests, I would give them a chance and ask them why. If their explanation to that shows that they are racist, then no. But if they are racist, it wouldn't even go that far as I am an immigrant myself. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party?
If they are interested in me and we share common interests, I would give them a chance and ask them why. If their explanation to that shows that they are racist, then no. But if they are racist, it wouldn't even go that far as I am an immigrant myself."What reasoning for voting for a party that believes that Britain should only be for British people and that only white people can be British would you be happy with in order to date them? | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship."That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours. " | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party?
If they are interested in me and we share common interests, I would give them a chance and ask them why. If their explanation to that shows that they are racist, then no. But if they are racist, it wouldn't even go that far as I am an immigrant myself.
What reasoning for voting for a party that believes that Britain should only be for British people and that only white people can be British would you be happy with in order to date them? "You never know unless you talk with them. One example I can give you. It's a well known fact that India's PM Narendra Modi and his party are religious fanatics and have made statements or passed laws targeting Muslims. But there are a couple of popular Muslims in social media who openly support him. They say that the opposition party in its current state is unelectable. Hence they would rather support Modi in spite of the fact that he is openly against Muslims. In the example you mentioned, there is a very high chance that the person is racist. Not denying that. But if that's the case, then the person wouldn't be interested in me in the first place. In the much less probable case that there was another reason, then who they voted for won't matter to me. In a dating profile, I usually look for things we have in common, physical attraction, open mindedness and humility. The other person also has to like me obviously. The rest are not as important to me. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours. "It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party?
If they are interested in me and we share common interests, I would give them a chance and ask them why. If their explanation to that shows that they are racist, then no. But if they are racist, it wouldn't even go that far as I am an immigrant myself.
What reasoning for voting for a party that believes that Britain should only be for British people and that only white people can be British would you be happy with in order to date them?
You never know unless you talk with them. One example I can give you. It's a well known fact that India's PM Narendra Modi and his party are religious fanatics and have made statements or passed laws targeting Muslims. But there are a couple of popular Muslims in social media who openly support him. They say that the opposition party in its current state is unelectable. Hence they would rather support Modi in spite of the fact that he is openly against Muslims.
In the example you mentioned, there is a very high chance that the person is racist. Not denying that. But if that's the case, then the person wouldn't be interested in me in the first place. In the much less probable case that there was another reason, then who they voted for won't matter to me.
In a dating profile, I usually look for things we have in common, physical attraction, open mindedness and humility. The other person also has to like me obviously. The rest are not as important to me."Sometimes racist people do date the race they are prejudice against, the same way misogynists still date women. So you would be okay with knowing that they knew they were voting for a political party that would likely have you removed from the county if they came into power or at the very least your rights would be massively stripped as long as their reasoning was just that they didn't like the opposition? | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments."No. Stop decrying other people's views because you don't agree with them. Political values matter to many people. Not how they voted in one election. Your experience is about your moral standpoints - other people are different, with different experiences. And when other people are different it doesn't mean they are irrational and stupid as you keep saying. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments."I'm sorry you believe that people's preferences should fit within your beliefs about rationality. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party?
If they are interested in me and we share common interests, I would give them a chance and ask them why. If their explanation to that shows that they are racist, then no. But if they are racist, it wouldn't even go that far as I am an immigrant myself.
What reasoning for voting for a party that believes that Britain should only be for British people and that only white people can be British would you be happy with in order to date them?
You never know unless you talk with them. One example I can give you. It's a well known fact that India's PM Narendra Modi and his party are religious fanatics and have made statements or passed laws targeting Muslims. But there are a couple of popular Muslims in social media who openly support him. They say that the opposition party in its current state is unelectable. Hence they would rather support Modi in spite of the fact that he is openly against Muslims.
In the example you mentioned, there is a very high chance that the person is racist. Not denying that. But if that's the case, then the person wouldn't be interested in me in the first place. In the much less probable case that there was another reason, then who they voted for won't matter to me.
In a dating profile, I usually look for things we have in common, physical attraction, open mindedness and humility. The other person also has to like me obviously. The rest are not as important to me.
Sometimes racist people do date the race they are prejudice against, the same way misogynists still date women.
So you would be okay with knowing that they knew they were voting for a political party that would likely have you removed from the county if they came into power or at the very least your rights would be massively stripped as long as their reasoning was just that they didn't like the opposition? "Racist dating the people that they are prejudiced against? This is the first time I am hearing it. But if they are indeed racist, it won't be hard to see through them just like mysoginists in your case. You do have a valid point on the paradox on being with a relationship with someone who might be kicked out of their country if the party they vote for wins. Presumably, the relationship should change their priorities when they vote the next time? | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments.
I'm sorry you believe that people's preferences should fit within your beliefs about rationality."Morality is subjective. Rationality is objective. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments.
I'm sorry you believe that people's preferences should fit within your beliefs about rationality.
Morality is subjective. Rationality is objective."Didn't you just use 'Irrationality' subjectively ^ | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments.
No. Stop decrying other people's views because you don't agree with them. Political values matter to many people. Not how they voted in one election. Your experience is about your moral standpoints - other people are different, with different experiences. And when other people are different it doesn't mean they are irrational and stupid as you keep saying. "Again, rationality is objective. If a person's goal is to filter out bad people in life, political choice is not the best way to do it. That's what I pointed out. It's just like giving advice that doing X doesn't make sense. If you have reasons to claim that a voting choice is indeed a yardstick to show if a person is good/bad, feel free to explain why. But the more I think about it, I can understand why it does make sense for certain people. If they are bombarded with requests on a dating app and are looking for a easy way to filter out people, then maybe filtering put people based in political choice does help based on the argument that the probability that they are compatible could be much lower. Just like the probability that I am compatible with a person who voted for BNP is much lower. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments.
I'm sorry you believe that people's preferences should fit within your beliefs about rationality.
Morality is subjective. Rationality is objective.
Didn't you just use 'Irrationality' subjectively ^ "I said I think it's irrational. If someone proves me wrong, I would accept that it is objectively rational indeed. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments.
I'm sorry you believe that people's preferences should fit within your beliefs about rationality.
Morality is subjective. Rationality is objective.
Didn't you just use 'Irrationality' subjectively ^
I said I think it's irrational. If someone proves me wrong, I would accept that it is objectively rational indeed."I'm not sure it's possible to provide proof of an abstract concept such as rationality. You could certainly provide anecdotal evidence to support an argument, but ultimately you could never be proved right or wrong...hence the arguing. I actually agree with SOME of your points. I think where you might have upset some people though is using the phrase 'not clever'. A less inflammatory choice of words might have kept the conversation more friendly | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
You're not fussed. Ok. But other people are. Saying they're not clever seems harsh, particularly when you have acknowledged you're relatively new to British Politics.
Yes I am new to it. But I have seen pretty much same cards played be politicians all over the world. Right wing parties using a nice mix of conservatism and libertarianism while left wing parties using a mix of socialism and Rawlism. My point is that once you get to know someone closely, you will know their life experiences that made them have a political inclination at a given point of time. One can neither be judged as good/bad based on the political party they voted for. So it's not really rational to have voting choices play huge role in relationship.
That's only your opinion. I reiterate that you're calling others with a different view not clever AND "not rational". Other opinions are valid. Not just yours.
It sounds irrational to me and I gave an explanation of how people's moral standpoints vary depending on situations and voting choice is not a direct lens into one's character. If you want to prove it is indeed rational, you are free to post your arguments.
I'm sorry you believe that people's preferences should fit within your beliefs about rationality.
Morality is subjective. Rationality is objective.
Didn't you just use 'Irrationality' subjectively ^
I said I think it's irrational. If someone proves me wrong, I would accept that it is objectively rational indeed.
I'm not sure it's possible to provide proof of an abstract concept such as rationality. You could certainly provide anecdotal evidence to support an argument, but ultimately you could never be proved right or wrong...hence the arguing.
I actually agree with SOME of your points. I think where you might have upset some people though is using the phrase 'not clever'. A less inflammatory choice of words might have kept the conversation more friendly "Agree. I should have chosen better words
If we go down the route of abstract philosophy, there is nothing that can be objective truth. We will all end up living a nihilistic life. But rationality as a principle works on the basis of material world we observe and avoids dealing with abstract concepts.
Anyway it was a good debate. Especially _acey_red raised some valid points. As I mentioned in the previous post, if the goal of the person who filters who they date by voting choice is to increase the chance of finding someone who is compatible, then it does sound like a rational thing to do. But if the underlying assumption is that a person who voted for a party must be a bad person, I don't agree with that still.
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"So you want to limit people's expression or curtail their ability to meet who they choose? It comes down to this for me really. So what if they don't want to meet a certain political party supporter. So what if they don't want to meet people they don't find attractive. So what if they don't want to meet a certain race. It is their choice. Regardless of reasons for it. Nobody should ever be pressured in to who interacts with their body. Their reasons are their reasons and it is none of anyone else's business. Homophobic, transphobic, racist, ageist, sexist, whateveristphobic... Their body, their choice. Get over it. Just accept it, somebody wants nothing to do with you sexually (or even none sexually) because of a personal choice of your own." | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party? "We're not on this site to find a relationship, just casual encounters. If we met for our initial social and anyone banged on about politics, vaccines or religion in anything more than a cursory way, it would just be a short meet. We have met a few folks were the meet was curtailed through their attitude, thankfully not many. | |||
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party?
We're not on this site to find a relationship, just casual encounters.
If we met for our initial social and anyone banged on about politics, vaccines or religion in anything more than a cursory way, it would just be a short meet.
We have met a few folks were the meet was curtailed through their attitude, thankfully not many.
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" what has politics got to do with enjoying yourself? I couldn't enjoy myself with a racist Is racism political? I do agree with you mind, I hate racism, Of course it is. And here is the problem, so many people seem to think politics starts and ends with which posh cunt is sitting in the big boy (or girl) chair at number 10. Politics has its grubby little fingers in almost all aspects of your life. I agree with that. But political parties keep changing their stance on this every time. Politicians themselves are not deeply invested in ideologies. For them, ideologies are just weapons they use to mobilise their following. For every case of Islamophobia among Tories, there is a case of Anti-Semitism among labour. I am personally fine with people taking politics seriously and have an open debate about it. But being attached to political parties so much to let that decide who you go out with is not really clever in my opinion. Not wanting to sleep with people of a particular political party doesn't mean they're attached to a particular party themselves. I guess you meant not wanting to sleep with someone who voted for a particular party. You may be right that they are not attached to a political party themselves. But still the idea doesn't sound particularly clever. After a decade, what the parties support and don't support may be completely different. Yes but surely that's only relevant if you're still saying the same in 10 years time without considering your reasoning any further. Politicians change regularly. So do people. My political views ten years back are very different from my views now and I have seen this happen with others too. Maybe for sleeping with someone, it does make sense because it's a temporary fling and they just want to be with someone who would repeat their own opinions to them. I am especially concerned with political views playing a role in long term relationship given that it's something that's ever changing. In my family and even in my extended family, I have regularly seen husband and wife vote for opposite parties. Both regularly tease each other about it. But none took it serious enough to affect a relationship. I have heard same stories outside my family too. I even know of an official party worker whose wife votes for a different party. I have life long close friends throughout the entire political spectrum. We debate about it. But never insult each other for politics. We insult each other for other silly matters. That's a different thing
So when I moved to a Western country, it surprised me that some people are so polarised. Friendships and relationships being burned because of politics, people considering voting choices to choose life partners. When I talked with some moderates here, they mentioned it doesn't used be like this. A combination of social media and Brexit made the situation as bad it is now.
Anyway, to each to their own. I am personally not fussed about political choices. There are much bigger things to a person than that.
Could you have a relationship with someone who voted for the British National Party?
We're not on this site to find a relationship, just casual encounters.
If we met for our initial social and anyone banged on about politics, vaccines or religion in anything more than a cursory way, it would just be a short meet.
We have met a few folks were the meet was curtailed through their attitude, thankfully not many.
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"It's getting too long to quote posts but I'd just say that I'm not sure people use political leanings to out "bad" people. I certainly don't. If someone has a different political persuasion to me, I don't think they're bad. But they're probably not for me. I'm looking to find people I can talk to, have good conversations about the world and have sex with. If they're the opposite end of the political spectrum my experience is that we won't align in other ways. It's a filter, that's all. Not a judgment. " Yeah, it's incompatibility. Some people, under some circumstances, don't fit what I'm looking for. | |||
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"Well I’ve just seen a status update that says he’s anti vax anti mask and a racist and proud of all three and his bio states no lefties amongst other things. That’s a little stronger than No Tories but at least we all know what we’re dealing with. "That is a bit extreme for sure! I just read a female status that said if you are a tory then you are a Cnut! to me that's taking things a bit too far tbh | |||
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"Well I’ve just seen a status update that says he’s anti vax anti mask and a racist and proud of all three and his bio states no lefties amongst other things. That’s a little stronger than No Tories but at least we all know what we’re dealing with.
That is a bit extreme for sure!
I just read a female status that said if you are a tory then you are a Cnut! to me that's taking things a bit too far tbh"You can’t fault her logic though. | |||
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