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"Nearly 25 years to the day she was murdered and still no conviction. A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. 6 years in jail and no compensation. A family torn apart and a life lost before it had ever really begun. A true tragedy in every respect. " personally I think they had the man who did it a very nasty man according to his ex wife and kids | |||
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"Nearly 25 years to the day she was murdered and still no conviction. A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. " What do you base your statement on? Why do you think this? Gbat | |||
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"Nearly 25 years to the day she was murdered and still no conviction. A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. 6 years in jail and no compensation. A family torn apart and a life lost before it had ever really begun. A true tragedy in every respect. " Or a guilty man going free due to compelling evidence not being allowed to be admissible in court? And there is no compensation because there isn’t the evidence to prove his innocence. Two sides to every theory. I will save my compassion for the poor lass who suffered a brutal murder and who was treated like shit by one of the people who should have been looking after her but who instead brutalised her. | |||
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"Nearly 25 years to the day she was murdered and still no conviction. A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. What do you base your statement on? Why do you think this? Gbat " I watched a very interesting documentary on it and recently saw an article regarding the way the blood was found to be on his clothing he claimed it was because he tried to help her and it was what was in her lungs although experts ruled that out at a later trial if I remember correctly but for me he did it alright and is annoyed that he’s not getting any compo he was also caught out lying about his teaching qualifications so for me he’s hardly a stand up guy as I’ve said personally he did it | |||
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"Nearly 25 years to the day she was murdered and still no conviction. A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. What do you base your statement on? Why do you think this? Gbat " Based on facts. Multiple police personnel still state that they want to prosecute SOMEONE for a crime. Surely that she be the perpetrator. The language used highlights this disparity. | |||
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"Nearly 25 years to the day she was murdered and still no conviction. A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. What do you base your statement on? Why do you think this? Gbat I watched a very interesting documentary on it and recently saw an article regarding the way the blood was found to be on his clothing he claimed it was because he tried to help her and it was what was in her lungs although experts ruled that out at a later trial if I remember correctly but for me he did it alright and is annoyed that he’s not getting any compo he was also caught out lying about his teaching qualifications so for me he’s hardly a stand up guy as I’ve said personally he did it " Who doesn’t lie on their CV. Also lying on your CV doesn’t make you a murder. He supposedly killed her in a fit of rage but had time to walk around the garden to find a tent peg on a coal bunker (despite better weapons being in the vicinity) , bludgeon her to death, wiped it clean of fingerprints and casually return to the car all nice and calm, all in 3 1/2 minutes whilst one of his daughters stated that she never left his side. | |||
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" as I’ve said personally he did it " Cheers Matt, but my comment wasn't directed at you. Gbat | |||
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"Based on facts. Multiple police personnel still state that they want to prosecute SOMEONE for a crime. Surely that she be the perpetrator. The language used highlights this disparity. " What facts? (Name two) Which multiple police personnel? (Name three as they are apparently in the multiples). I didn't understand the 3rd and 4th sentences as there's no context to them, sorry. Gbat | |||
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" as I’ve said personally he did it Cheers Matt, but my comment wasn't directed at you. Gbat " sorry I realised after I’d posted it  | |||
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"Who doesn’t lie on their CV. " I don't personally know anyone who has lied about their formal qualifications such as O levels, nor anyone who has lied about which Uni they went to. Have you done either of these things? " Also lying on your CV doesn’t make you a murder. " Correct, but it does make you quite a calculating liar. This is an important thing to consider during a criminal trial. "He supposedly killed her in a fit of rage but had time to walk around the garden to find a tent peg on a coal bunker (despite better weapons being in the vicinity) , bludgeon her to death, wiped it clean of fingerprints and casually return to the car all nice and calm, ... " Supposedly. You might read some other transcripts from murder cases and read stuff equally as weird. "all in 3 1/2 minutes whilst one of his daughters stated that she never left his side. " Imagine that! A child saying something that protects their parent! Gbat | |||
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"Who doesn’t lie on their CV. I don't personally know anyone who has lied about their formal qualifications such as O levels, nor anyone who has lied about which Uni they went to. Have you done either of these things? Also lying on your CV doesn’t make you a murder. Correct, but it does make you quite a calculating liar. This is an important thing to consider during a criminal trial. He supposedly killed her in a fit of rage but had time to walk around the garden to find a tent peg on a coal bunker (despite better weapons being in the vicinity) , bludgeon her to death, wiped it clean of fingerprints and casually return to the car all nice and calm, ... Supposedly. You might read some other transcripts from murder cases and read stuff equally as weird. all in 3 1/2 minutes whilst one of his daughters stated that she never left his side. Imagine that! A child saying something that protects their parent! Gbat " I don’t know of any case where someone has committed an opportunistic murder in a fit of rage yet ensured they were calm and composed enough to walk away from the altercation to find a obscure item to murder the person with. Yet, during all this, the victim never screamed, moved away from the murderer. She simply stood still and silent as she was beaten to death. All in 3 1/2 minutes, without a single witness or a visible drop of blood on the supposed murderer’s clothing despite the severe bludgeoning and blood spatters all over the doors etc. All this and yet he still had time to wipe the murder weapon clean and magic away the cloth, clean his hands, change his shoes, step on her chest, change back into his old shoes, magic the shoes away to wherever he got them in the first place and calmly reunite with his daughter who claimed she was with him all the time. Maybe the daughter was lying because he was her dad. After all, what daughter doesn’t want a father back home who she witnessed killing her adopted sister and who beat her, her sisters and her mother as the police claimed. Yeah, you’re going to lie so that you can have that monster back home instead of in prison. | |||
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"Based on facts. Multiple police personnel still state that they want to prosecute SOMEONE for a crime. Surely that she be the perpetrator. The language used highlights this disparity. What facts? (Name two) Which multiple police personnel? (Name three as they are apparently in the multiples). I didn't understand the 3rd and 4th sentences as there's no context to them, sorry. Gbat " There was a documentary on channel 5 this week which you can watch. They expressed the same sentiment in different ways about how they wanted to nail someone for the crime. This isn’t the same as saying they wanted to find the killer. I find this troubling as you never know if you may find yourself in a similar situation one day. | |||
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"I don’t know of any case where someone has committed an opportunistic murder in a fit of rage yet ensured they were calm and composed enough to walk away from the altercation to find a obscure item to murder the person with. " Do you read a lot about murders? What cases do you have an in depth knowledge about? Who says they were calm and composed when they went to find an item? If they were indeed in a rage it might be that they selected a weapon that you think is strange. " during all this, the victim never screamed, moved away from the murderer. She simply stood still and silent as she was beaten to death. All in 3 1/2 minutes, without a single witness or a visible drop of blood on the supposed murderer’s clothing despite the severe bludgeoning and blood spatters all over the doors etc. All this and yet he still had time to wipe the murder weapon clean and magic away the cloth, clean his hands, change his shoes, step on her chest, change back into his old shoes, magic the shoes away to wherever he got them in the first place and calmly reunite with his daughter who claimed she was with him all the time. " Are you saying this didn't happen or couldn't happen? "and calmly reunite with his daughter who claimed she was with him all the time. Maybe the daughter was lying because he was her dad. After all, what daughter doesn’t want a father back home who she witnessed killing her adopted sister and who beat her, her sisters and her mother as the police claimed. Yeah, you’re going to lie so that you can have that monster back home instead of in prison. " You do know that abused children have often protected their abuser in the past don't you? Are you applying what you would have done in this situation or what a traumatised abused child would do? Can you answer my earlier questions about lying on CVs? Last but not least, would you be kind enough to properly answer my original question. Why do you think this is a police fit up? Gbat | |||
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"I don’t know of any case where someone has committed an opportunistic murder in a fit of rage yet ensured they were calm and composed enough to walk away from the altercation to find a obscure item to murder the person with. Do you read a lot about murders? What cases do you have an in depth knowledge about? Who says they were calm and composed when they went to find an item? If they were indeed in a rage it might be that they selected a weapon that you think is strange. during all this, the victim never screamed, moved away from the murderer. She simply stood still and silent as she was beaten to death. All in 3 1/2 minutes, without a single witness or a visible drop of blood on the supposed murderer’s clothing despite the severe bludgeoning and blood spatters all over the doors etc. All this and yet he still had time to wipe the murder weapon clean and magic away the cloth, clean his hands, change his shoes, step on her chest, change back into his old shoes, magic the shoes away to wherever he got them in the first place and calmly reunite with his daughter who claimed she was with him all the time. Are you saying this didn't happen or couldn't happen? and calmly reunite with his daughter who claimed she was with him all the time. Maybe the daughter was lying because he was her dad. After all, what daughter doesn’t want a father back home who she witnessed killing her adopted sister and who beat her, her sisters and her mother as the police claimed. Yeah, you’re going to lie so that you can have that monster back home instead of in prison. You do know that abused children have often protected their abuser in the past don't you? Are you applying what you would have done in this situation or what a traumatised abused child would do? Can you answer my earlier questions about lying on CVs? Last but not least, would you be kind enough to properly answer my original question. Why do you think this is a police fit up? Gbat " Yeah, it exists, but there's no proof of it in this case. In fact, there's no proof of any abuse at all. In regards to CVs I have maximised its potential with creative wording. As for being a police fit up, I never said that. I do think that the police and the prosecution used dubious methods throughout. For example, they used the excuse of keeping the family updated on the ongoing investigation to inform them that their husband/father was unequivocally the murderer. As these people were not only the family of the victim but now related to the supposed murderer, this is unethical and simply a lie. Also, the fact the police wanted to press a sexual relationship between the murderer and the victim but couldn't find any evidence for it didn't stop them or the prosecutors implying it. Numerous mentions of a 'special and unique relationship' was mentioned in court. Add to this the edited video of the victim's dead body that ended with a much younger photo of the victim which was used to play on the emotions of the jury and we have manipulation of the highest order. The only evidence they had were blood splatters on his clothing that were invisible to the naked eye. That's not a lot for someone who bludgeoned someone to death, but they are just about right for a father who held his dying daughter in his arms as she exhaled her last breath. | |||
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"A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. " And you don't think you said there was a police fit up? Gbat | |||
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"A foster-father wrongly convicted due to a police attitude of ‘if we can’t convict the right one, at least convict someone’. And you don't think you said there was a police fit up? Gbat " No. A fit up for me would be planting evidence which is why I didn’t use those words. I’m questioning why they went with the father instead of investigating further a suspect called Mr B who matched the description of someone who attacked a girl in the area a week before and who was spotted near the house on the day of the murder. The only evidence the police had on the father was the blood which was wasn’t even visible to the naked eye which was explained away by him holding her. Not much of a case against him is it. | |||
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" instead of investigating further a suspect called Mr B who matched the description of someone who attacked a girl in the area a week before and who was spotted near the house on the day of the murder. " What did they do about Mr B? (You won't be able to answer that properly as you don't have access to the HOLMES records from the case). Try and remember that what you see in the media is only a fraction of what was investigated. Some leads will be followed and the person definitely ruled out. Some leads will be followed and not go in either direction. Some leads will be followed and provide evidence that would support a conviction. Just because you aren't aware of leads that turned into evidence, it doesn't mean that they weren't followed up. You said that the police were keen to convict the wrong person rather than no one. (paraphrased, but that's what you implied). That's a fit up to most people. Gbat | |||
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"I haven’t watched this, but yet another child who suffered at the hands of someone who was supposed to nurture her "In this case this was her actual parents who she was removed from. By all accounts, her foster parents provided a nurturing and loving home. | |||
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"It would be interesting to know if the neighbour who tried to help had the same tiny blood splatters on her clothing as Mr Jenkins" Indeed. Although there was a significant difference between the times and the level of contact from when the neighbour and Mr Jenkins’ aided Billie-Jo. | |||
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" instead of investigating further a suspect called Mr B who matched the description of someone who attacked a girl in the area a week before and who was spotted near the house on the day of the murder. What did they do about Mr B? (You won't be able to answer that properly as you don't have access to the HOLMES records from the case). Try and remember that what you see in the media is only a fraction of what was investigated. Some leads will be followed and the person definitely ruled out. Some leads will be followed and not go in either direction. Some leads will be followed and provide evidence that would support a conviction. Just because you aren't aware of leads that turned into evidence, it doesn't mean that they weren't followed up. You said that the police were keen to convict the wrong person rather than no one. (paraphrased, but that's what you implied). That's a fit up to most people. Gbat " The police work to a threshold. As long as they reach this they will ask to prosecute. The police don’t care who did it, so long as they can prosecute someone. We’re not victims or criminals, just numbers who can mess up their statistics. | |||
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"Although there was a significant difference between the times and the level of contact from when the neighbour and Mr Jenkins’ aided Billie-Jo. " I don't know about level of contact but there was minimal time difference | |||
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"Although there was a significant difference between the times and the level of contact from when the neighbour and Mr Jenkins’ aided Billie-Jo. I don't know about level of contact but there was minimal time difference " The difference was significant in terms of her being alive and dead. | |||
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"I think the key to this is the plastic up her nostril which would have needed an implement to insert. Several witnesses place "Mr B" in the park opposite her house that afternoon and they were both in Debenhams the day before. I wonder if the plastic is what the new DNA test is looking at " Yes, the plastic is another thing that points away from it being Mr Jenkins in terms of time and it being a premeditated act as opposed to him attacking her in a rage. | |||
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" The difference was significant in terms of her being alive and dead." | |||
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