FabSwingers.com forum: Jimmy Savile

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So we can now talk about on here. Admin accept that it ios being talked about everywhere else = so why not?....

Personally I find the media witch hunt distasteful and the commentys made by the senior police officer absurd considering that there has not been an investigation let alone a trial.

The only people who are going to get any benefit out of all this are those same media outlets who are extremely worried about the impending conclusions of the Leveson Inquiry. Recent news certainly does make a case to maintain the right to investigate celebrities.

CAVEAT - To add that if Savile did what is being alleged, then yes - he was a freak. But really I more feel for children today who are being abused rather than people who have lived with it for 40 years. Children are being abused today, not by celebrities but by normal people and that does not make the news - sad, but true.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Can it be spoken about on here though? Will there be a criminal case even though he is dead? I have no idea about the law on this, but didnt think it could be discussed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Savile is the tip of the iceberg some other people involved are still around. I have a feeling over the coming months a few more people will be in hot water.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Can it be spoken about on here though? Will there be a criminal case even though he is dead? I have no idea about the law on this, but didnt think it could be discussed?"

Yeah Admin have had advice and say it can be discussed within the forum rules of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all comes down to, 30 years ago is different to now, touching a kid on the thigh then wasnt thought of wrong, nowhere days it is.

whatever the outcome, these people will still feel abused, so dont see the point in a investigation because if he is cleared, they will belive he is still not and if he aint cleared, his friends and family still have their opinion of him.

Im not in anyway agreeing with child abuse here.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"all comes down to, 30 years ago is different to now, touching a kid on the thigh then wasnt thought of wrong, nowhere days it is.

Im not in anyway agreeing with child abuse here."

But seeing the clips of him n gary glitter or him and coleen nolan for examle, made me feel uneasy. In my day, I never saw philip schofield or mike read and the likes hugging etc young girls like they showed on tv.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The one bit of recent events that is quite telling is that his family not only removed his elaborate headstone but have had it destroyed. Their public reasons are admirable but it does somewhat suggest they don't think he will be exhonerated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I feel, in NO defence to him to make it clear, it is wrong now to bring allegations against him.

Every person has the right to defend themselves, pretty hard when you are dead.

It is heart breaking for his family, no matter what he is suspected of doing.

This should have been tackled, and has been suspected for a number of years when he was alive!

He was made Sir, when he was alive, this to me is an investigation dead in the water.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Don't you think the BBC still has a case to answer as his employer? The Beeb is still going and many of the allegations are that if these abuses happened they happened on BBC premises and will the knowledge of at least some senior BBC people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The thing is with this case is how many people are making "factual statements" without any investigation having being completed. Particularly the policeman who said a few days ago that clearly he (Savile) was a sexual predator. If Savile were alive, no policeman could have said that until the end of a trial.

I don't doubt that where there is smoke there is fire - I just feel this is all getting out of hand and is becoming a witch hunt. Today, we had someone on TV saying that Savile's hand "lingered" on her leg.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't you think the BBC still has a case to answer as his employer? The Beeb is still going and many of the allegations are that if these abuses happened they happened on BBC premises and will the knowledge of at least some senior BBC people."

this is not the first time a company would cover up something tho is it.

News of the world for example..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The one bit of recent events that is quite telling is that his family not only removed his elaborate headstone but have had it destroyed. Their public reasons are admirable but it does somewhat suggest they don't think he will be exhonerated."

spot on

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Growing up in a big city, something similar happened, with the removal of headstones (inc. my auntie who was buried in the neighbouring grave). The man involved was NOT known as a sex offender, but a gangster. After he was found guilty of gang related crimes (after his death) his family removed the huge headstone from the cerematory (albeit due to other gangs doing damage to his and surrounding headstones, inc. my auntie's)

When it comes to Saville, it seems the majority of the country/press/media have already decided he was guilty even without a trial.

And no, I am not saying it is right or wrong, just seems to be a massive trial by media (again). Who will ever know the true facts?

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By *iker BullMan
over a year ago

leeds

it was brought to the attention of the authorities many,many times over the years,they ruled not enough evidence to get a conviction,all these people saying the victims should have come forward while he was alive are just not listening to the facts,he was investigated on 7 seperate occasions over the last 30 years or so,,so to say they have all kept quiet is frankly ignorant and downright insulting to the victims

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"..........just seems to be a massive trial by media (again). Who will ever know the true facts?"

It is a trial by media and it is not co-incidental that the Leveson inquiry is on-going.

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By *xodussxMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Who is responsible of all this drama????

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"..........just seems to be a massive trial by media (again). Who will ever know the true facts?

It is a trial by media and it is not co-incidental that the Leveson inquiry is on-going."

I do think it is a trial by media. When was the last bit of the leveson enquiry shown on tv, or even reported as the main story, as it had been for many weeks? Ok , bigger things have happened. But, im not just talking about it being involved in the leveson enquiry. That young girl in wales who went missing, the press showed the suspect's pic, address and named him, as they did with the landlord from the joanna yeats murder. Ok the landlord for joanna was not charged etc, but the media still made people think it was him.

There are many stories over the years, which have been a trial by the media as far as I am concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Savile may have died but does that mean questions should not be asked? He may be innocent he may not but you cant ignore evidence that comes to light afterwards. Look at Hilsborough that was ignored 20+ years.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"..........just seems to be a massive trial by media (again). Who will ever know the true facts?

It is a trial by media and it is not co-incidental that the Leveson inquiry is on-going.

There are many stories over the years, which have been a trial by the media as far as I am concerned."

The police should be disciplined for the comments made about the suspect in the April Jones case. They have made it almost impossible for him to have a fair trial.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The police should be disciplined for the comments made about the suspect in the April Jones case. They have made it almost impossible for him to have a fair trial."
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And what has a senior Policeman said about Savile - he too should be disciplined - no investigation, no trial, no verdict - just accusations (at the moment).

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The police should be disciplined for the comments made about the suspect in the April Jones case. They have made it almost impossible for him to have a fair trial..............

And what has a senior Policeman said about Savile - he too should be disciplined - no investigation, no trial, no verdict - just accusations (at the moment)."

The difference is that you can't libel the dead and as there won't be a trial there cannot be a mis-trial because of the comments made by the police in the Saville case. If they made comments about the BBC or any of the living potential accomplices that would be a different matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems to me that Saville had a 'get out of jail free' card.

Did he have evidence of others who shared his interests?

Did he blackmail or have something on others, just so they kept quiet?

It happened under BBC's roof allegedly, were they in on it?

As stated above, things were different back then, what is now deemed as abuse was then seen differently.

It seems like there is a mass panic at the moment, it also seems like people are jumping on the bandwagon too.

It does seem like there has been a major cover up of his behaviour, if ever there was a time the news investigators should have been digging dirt up, it should have been done while he was alive, instead they chose to hassle royalty and C list celebrities with their tits out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it was brought to the attention of the authorities many,many times over the years,they ruled not enough evidence to get a conviction,all these people saying the victims should have come forward while he was alive are just not listening to the facts,he was investigated on 7 seperate occasions over the last 30 years or so,,so to say they have all kept quiet is frankly ignorant and downright insulting to the victims"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im afraid its not a case of trial by press in a case like this even though he is dead its classes as a historical case and the reason its in the press is to alow vitims to read it and come forward i used to feel it was wrong to name and shame before a trial but not any more there was a local case here just last month were the guy almost got away with it but because he was named by the press before the trial a second witness came forward who had also been abused his case went to a retrial and he was sentanced to 8 years most of the time i dont agree with what the press prints but in cases like this they need to print it as it not only helps secure a conviction it can also help cleer the persons name

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

if he is guilty of any wrongdoing, it is abhorrent

if any other, is guilty of embellishing a story for possible future financial gain on the back of a true victim, that too is shocking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im wondering if all the charities he raised money for and that have now removed his name will actually hand back that money? I doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Child abuse is inexcusable but I also believe in justice, a fair trial and the fact that English law states that you are innocent until proven guilty.

The media are irresponsible on this and so are all the police, his employers and everyone else who suspected he was an abuser.

This should have been dealt with whilst he was alive. He should have faced a court if he did abuse anyone. Over 350 lines of investigation?? How was this hidden?

I can't see any point in bringing all this to light now. For goodness sake little April jones is still missing. That should be front page news until she is found, not a dead man!

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By *obsrocketMan
over a year ago

Loughborough

There must have been or still is senior staff at the BBC who knew what was happening, this makes me believe any investigation could result in some people still being brought to trial. I know from personal experience as I took part in a play as a child actor in the early 70's that the BBC would have had chaperones to look after any children and their welfare whilst on BBC premises. If these incidents are found to be true then the BBC is partly responsible for allowing them to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't help but wonder why these allegations didn't come out while he was still alive. I am not condoning the behaviour if in fact it took place, and agree there should be a thorough investigation to get to the truth, whatever it might be. However I find it odd that so far out of the three people mentioned in the investigation, 2 are dead and cannot defend themselves. Again, why wait until they are no longer here to face justice before coming forward, especially as the Police are saying they have complaints running into double figures. That is what I cannot get my head around.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"im wondering if all the charities he raised money for and that have now removed his name will actually hand back that money? I doubt it. "

Who would the money be returned to? The money was not spent on Jimmy Saville but on the charitable cause. Would you go back to everyone that had specialist medical treatment or whatever service they received and ask them to repay it?

I agree it is a difficult one of the charities. If ANY were complicit in covering up abuse they should be investigated and prosecuted. If the people claiming they were abused wish to sue and are successful then money raised more recently will be used to pay those claims.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive. "

People did give hints and more. Part of this story is that Saville was ruthless about protecting his public profile. As soon as there was any indication that someone was breaking ranks and trying to tell their story he used his money and influence to stop them. If this is true then his abuse, also if true, extended long into their lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The papers make a big hoo-ha about any story, factual or not. I rarely believe anything they report.

Sounds more like a lot of people knew and helped cover it up. They are the ones that I think should be investigated, in his absence.

Good point about his family possibly believing the allegations as to why they had his headstone destroyed and not just removed.

There were allegations that he said he would stop donating money to Stoke Mandeville if anyone 'outed' him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive. "

I thought the same until just the other day I spoke with the brother of one of the victims. According to him she didn't keep quiet at all, but the allegations were ignored.Jimmy saville was not only a national institution, one of the most popular people in the 70's, but also a lot of charities depended on him for support and money. Add all that up and what's a 14 year old girls word against St Jimmy? Maybe now, with more sharing of information by police forces, a better picture could have been developed.

I've met him myself, and spent time with him (not alone) and am sad he could possibly have done this, but the police have now over "340 separate" lines of enquiry.

As for "what's the point" now he's dead... The people who allowed it to happen are still around... If he did it, it's because he was a sick individual. The "cover up people" have no such excuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Savile may have died but does that mean questions should not be asked? He may be innocent he may not but you cant ignore evidence that comes to light afterwards. Look at Hilsborough that was ignored 20+ years."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's be honest..If you saw a bloke that looked like him talking to your kids, would you be worried?

I know I would.

Friends of mine used to tell me off for saying I thought he looked like a kiddie fiddler, they're not so sanctimonious now!

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

So you think his wealth managed to allow him to wriggle free of his misdemeanours,

much like Michael Jackson & possibly many, as yet undisclosed cases of "how much will it take to keep you quiet" .

That maybe a possibility....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's be honest..If you saw a bloke that looked like him talking to your kids, would you be worried?

I know I would.

Friends of mine used to tell me off for saying I thought he looked like a kiddie fiddler, they're not so sanctimonious now!"

Yeah cos you can totally tell the paedophile's by how they look.

I watch out for anyone getting too friendly with the kids, whether they are male or female. I tell the kids that anyone can be a nutter, trust no-one. I told them when April Jones went missing, so they know not to go off even with people they know. Not even the parent of one of their friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does someone look like a kiddie fiddler? Do they wear some sort of outfit?

Surely the ones nobody suspects are the ones who get away with it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

So you think his wealth managed to allow him to wriggle free of his misdemeanours,

much like Michael Jackson & possibly many, as yet undisclosed cases of "how much will it take to keep you quiet" .

That maybe a possibility.... "

I don't think it is the paying off of some people that really happens. I think it is the intimidation of having a whole machinery to protect your public persona. Whether that is a crack team of ruthless lawyers through to a crack team of people wearing knuckledusters.

I do think the culture of wannabe starlets, combined with the 'honour' of being chosen to be in the presence of your celebrity idol does not help. The casting couch has not gone away and I think that things may be better in some respects but not all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

So you think his wealth managed to allow him to wriggle free of his misdemeanours,

much like Michael Jackson & possibly many, as yet undisclosed cases of "how much will it take to keep you quiet" .

That maybe a possibility.... "

I think its down to having evidence/blackmail on the right people to help him out of the situations he was in, as I said earlier.

Cash, bribes etc would play a part too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think you can tell just by looking at someone all the time no, but you can certainly look at someone and get a feeling of discomfort for one reason or another. I guess it's the opposite of attraction, he repulsed me.

Regardless..I was correct in my aspersions.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Surely he can't have controlled the BBC to such an extent that he was able to get away with such unnoticed inappropriate behaviour.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Surely he can't have controlled the BBC to such an extent that he was able to get away with such unnoticed inappropriate behaviour. "

That is what needs looking at. The concept of institutional racism is now better understood. I think this is the same. It is an institutionalised culture of turn and blind eye, protect and cover up for the stars. By the time the people who may have been appalled by the behaviour and culture reach the top they are part of the system because they didn't say anything in order to get on. How do they then overturn the machinery with which they became complicit?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Does anyone actually know how old any of the girls were and IF he had sex with them ?

e.g. A BBC official was quoted in the Newspaper as saying......

I told the BBC years ago and was told that that was the way it goes. I was ignored. I had walked in on Savile with a girl of 16 maybe 15.

Now SIXTEEN is not illegal but FIFTEEN makes a better story because it is illegal.

Abusing position is wrong in any case but his position was of an unpleasant , opinionated narcissistic egotis not a priest.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Surely he can't have controlled the BBC to such an extent that he was able to get away with such unnoticed inappropriate behaviour. "

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I find it difficult to believe that every family man at the BBC lacked the moral conviction to go to the police.

Savile would have been wrong to use his job to get sex with women of any age but it does happen. Rock stars, film stars, politicians, businessmen....

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By *yronMan
over a year ago

grangemouth

"I can't help but wonder why these allegations didn't come out while he was still alive. I am not condoning the behaviour if in fact it took place, and agree there should be a thorough investigation to get to the truth, whatever it might be. However I find it odd that so far out of the three people mentioned in the investigation, 2 are dead and cannot defend themselves. Again, why wait until they are no longer here to face justice before coming forward, especially as the Police are saying they have complaints running into double figures. That is what I cannot get my head around."

The reason that nothing came out when he was alive is because this was a man who was pretty much beatified during his own lifetime: He presented a Kids show that made their dreams come true, he worked for 101 different charities, he volunteered to help out at hospitals.... The list goes on. Remember his funeral? He Royal Marines bearing his coffin - my grandfather served in the Navy during the war and he didn't get that at his funeral!

Basically, the guy had made himself untouchable: People in power would have realised that everything would have blown up in their faces if they'd tried to print anything about him. Look at the furore before the original programme went on air, there were people coming out the woodwork to defend his reputation left, right and centre. Now that there's over 120 different allegations, people are starting to come round to the idea that he wasn't the guy we all thought he was.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive. "

maybe because they thought they were the only one...... and as we have seen in the past who would believe a child over in the eyes of some at the time "a man who could do no wrong"......

like many rape cases in the past.... the fear of being rounded on does deter people from coming forward.....

there were allegations made in the past, and none take forward.. if you were talking different parts of the country there may have been no real co-operation between forces and looked at as separate incidences as opposed to a whole

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By *uyuksno1Man
over a year ago

poole

Why do you feel more for one group of abused than another? A friend of mine is over 60 and was abused as a child. It has affected her whole life. She went through a bad time just last year where she was having flashbacks and felt suicidal. This is 40+ years after what happened. There are no gradations of abuse regardless of whether it was a high-profile case or not.

I have sympathy for all those abused. I have seen the devastating effects."
here here +1

it doesnt matter when these people were abused how dare anyone assume because of the time it happened the devastation is any less real unbelievable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont find it odd at all that noone said anything. People will turn their backs rather than act. Because the consequences of having to make a stance are difficult.

He was a major celebrity, he did countless acts of charity, he was rich and famous. Do you think it would be easy taking on a man like that. Does anyone think its easy being cross examined and then having to stand up in court and being presented with top lawyers who can twist your words up like spaghetti. Seriously what chance did women from normal backgrounds have.

I do think it will cause people to come out of the woodwork now that are less than honourable and see the chance of gaining a bit of attention but, and its only a hunch and my own opinion, I dont have any concrete evidence to base it on, I do feel that there are genuine victims out there and quite a lot of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The media circus around this is a farce. The man is dead. There can be no criminal trial for him. The people I feel sorry for are his alleged victims. And I say alleged because that is what they will always be because of the fact he cannot be prosecuted from the grave.

This media circus is probably the last thing that these alleged victims want or need.

The other people to suffer are his family. They are now victims of this media circus.

The media are making it almost impossible for anyone in this country to receive a fair and impartial trial.

The laws were different 30 years ago. The onus was on the alleged victim to prove and testify. It was harder to prove there was no DNA. Victims rights were not considered as much. They would have to face their attacker in court. There was none of this video link stuff back then.

If their were others involved that are alive then they should most certainly prosecute but do so in a court of law not via media circus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The BBC are worth millions, somebody wants some keep quiet cash

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Please just discuss the subject and not post yours or other peoples real experiences as they will and have been removed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

maybe because they thought they were the only one...... and as we have seen in the past who would believe a child over in the eyes of some at the time "a man who could do no wrong"......

like many rape cases in the past.... the fear of being rounded on does deter people from coming forward.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am glad there is an investigation. It would have been great if it could have happened whilst he was alive, unfortunately he had too many powerful mates willing to hush people up.

I hope that this will make people more willing to listen to victims of current celebs and not just brush things aside till it too fek'n late.

If the allegations are true (and nothing will convince me otherwise) Why the hell shouldn't the abused tell of their experiences? They have been brushed aside as liars and fantasists for the last 40 years and deserve to be finaly have their say (again) and be taken seriously!

Fuck Saville, he was a cunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think you can tell just by looking at someone all the time no, but you can certainly look at someone and get a feeling of discomfort for one reason or another. I guess it's the opposite of attraction, he repulsed me.

Regardless..I was correct in my aspersions.

I agree with that. I do go off my 'sixth sense' a lot. Sometimes you just 'know' that something's not right about someone, and to avoid them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless..I was correct in my aspersions.

I agree with that. I do go off my 'sixth sense' a lot. Sometimes you just 'know' that something's not right about someone, and to avoid them. "

Make that 3 of us, I have always found him repugnant, I don't have kids but if I did there's no feck'n way he would've gotten anywhere near them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i used to think he was a nice man, same as i did gary glitter and johnathon king.

after all the things i have read, it makes me realy angry that just because of who you are or what you do for charity you can get away with abusing kids.

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"So we can now talk about on here. Admin accept that it ios being talked about everywhere else = so why not?....

Personally I find the media witch hunt distasteful and the commentys made by the senior police officer absurd considering that there has not been an investigation let alone a trial.

Are you sure everyone has lived with it? many victims of sexual abuse suppress the trauma, only finding out years later just how much its impact has ruined thier lives, if this is true and things are pointing that way, its highly likely that mnay are now reliving emotional distress every bit as strong as it was at the time, and possibly compunded with a guilt coming from blaming oneself for not speaking out. the affect of sexual abuse can be lifelong not just whilst its happening.

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

Oh and Estha Ransen doesnt come out of this well, she helps fund child line and has made a career out of challenging abuses and being a peoples guardian only to come out after the fact saying that she had heard about it for years, why the fuck didnt she say anything?all the atlk about how saville couldnt be challenged cos he was such a connected celeb well so was she,

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By *uyuksno1Man
over a year ago

poole

i was just going to say that she looked very uncomfortable when inter_iewed the other night didnt she shes gone very quiet now though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am glad there is an investigation. It would have been great if it could have happened whilst he was alive, unfortunately he had too many powerful mates willing to hush people up.

I hope that this will make people more willing to listen to victims of current celebs and not just brush things aside till it too fek'n late.

Fuck Saville, he was a cunt.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

you wouldnt want a jim l fix it badge now would you

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I've known for years that he was a pervert, made comments on the thread when he died where everyone was saying what a great bloke he was and was castigated for it! Z

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By *uyuksno1Man
over a year ago

poole

"you wouldnt want a jim l fix it badge now would you

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apparantly hundreds have been returned to the bbc

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up

No matter how many times one shouts, no one in a position of authority wanted to hear, it’s only when one screams that someone decides to listen.

Take the RC church, for generations; paedophilia activity was common place, look how long it has taken for the establishment to take notice.

And I speak form personal experience.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

Makes you wonder why he supported the Stoke Mandeville hospital when he had Pinderfields on his doorstep? Too close for comfort? He preyed on the vulnerable for years - youngsters and old ladies alike. I hope he's rotting in Hell. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes you wonder why he supported the Stoke Mandeville hospital when he had Pinderfields on his doorstep? Too close for comfort? He preyed on the vulnerable for years - youngsters and old ladies alike. I hope he's rotting in Hell. Z"

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

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By *wencatWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

In the 1970s I worked in a dry cleaners not far off where he lived he used to bring his dry cleaning in he was always very suggestive I was very young then as it happens. Was not nieve even then. Always thought he was a little odd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as it saddens me, my _iew on the media is always the same, ur famous and u can get away with almost anything.

always surprises me ppl find it odd that the entertainment industry is rife with drugs and sex..power and influence...

the message is always clear to me, these people are better than us, and when it suits for them to be challenged on their behaviours by their peers it becomes obvious that many know what was going on

its something that pushes the maslows hierarchy of needs into the shadows, but also that just leads me to believe that the theory is wrong and that we are all equal regardless of the good and bad actions we do

and bringing swinging into the equation, I always say, no-body is above anyone regardless of their social standings-thats a positive thing that comes from the failings of maslows theory at least.Of course our media would have u believe entirely different...

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

The BBC have just released pictures of three more alleged victims of Jimmy Savile's sexual abuse.

Alongside current pictures of the victims are pictures of them as they were in the seventies.

The caption read 'Now then, now then, now then'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC have just released pictures of three more alleged victims of Jimmy Savile's sexual abuse.

Alongside current pictures of the victims are pictures of them as they were in the seventies.

The caption read 'Now then, now then, now then'."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just very disappointed about the guy now... such a pity that someone elevated to the heady heights of near-saintdom could hide such an ugly secret so successfully for god-knows how long. Really has shattered the image for me.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Just very disappointed about the guy now... such a pity that someone elevated to the heady heights of near-saintdom could hide such an ugly secret so successfully for god-knows how long. Really has shattered the image for me.

Wolf

It's not just him that kept the secret though - how many people knew and said nothing? The BBC and a lot of his cronies knew what he was - they should feel ashamed of themselves. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wolf

It's not just him that kept the secret though - how many people knew and said nothing? The BBC and a lot of his cronies knew what he was - they should feel ashamed of themselves. Z"

They're a closed shop when it comes to stuff like that. They keep it all in-house... no-one likes blowing the whistle on the other probably because the whole lot would get blown sky high then, and no-one would be in work!

totally wrong really

Wolf

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"The BBC and a lot of his cronies knew what he was - they should feel ashamed of themselves. Z"

Any investigation that reveals they knew but never acted, they should face the full wrath of the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC and a lot of his cronies knew what he was - they should feel ashamed of themselves. Z

Any investigation that reveals they knew but never acted, they should face the full wrath of the law."

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Reading these posts it appears that he has been found guilty by court of public opinion. No investigation, no trial - but according to the posts on here, he was guilty of everything that he has been accused of.

I think that this is all way too premature and now talk of compensation from the BBC and NHS??.....

Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation before summoning the Executioner.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Reading these posts it appears that he has been found guilty by court of public opinion. No investigation, no trial - but according to the posts on here, he was guilty of everything that he has been accused of.

I think that this is all way too premature and now talk of compensation from the BBC and NHS??.....

Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation before summoning the Executioner."

It's a bit too late for the executioner! The man was a travesty, lets wait and see what happens but this can of worms will remain well and truly open! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that this is all way too premature and now talk of compensation from the BBC and NHS??.....

Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation before summoning the Executioner."

Think you'll find its far to late for the executioner! He's already dead

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"The BBC and a lot of his cronies knew what he was - they should feel ashamed of themselves. Z

Any investigation that reveals they knew but never acted, they should face the full wrath of the law.

Wolf

Several years ago a documentary was made on him - the BBC blocked it so it was never aired. Dodgy? Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that this is all way too premature and now talk of compensation from the BBC and NHS??.....

Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation before summoning the Executioner."

I agree, thats why my comment was meant in general...not just towards jimmy saville, but also pointing out about the entertainment world, roman polanski etc etc...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC and a lot of his cronies knew what he was - they should feel ashamed of themselves. Z

Any investigation that reveals they knew but never acted, they should face the full wrath of the law.

Wolf

Several years ago a documentary was made on him - the BBC blocked it so it was never aired. Dodgy? Z"

Yes I remember that, and another one that was aired about his home or something similar and he was going spare at the cameras nosing around his place... can't remember which channel it was on now though.

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that this is all way too premature and now talk of compensation from the BBC and NHS??.....

Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation before summoning the Executioner."

I didnt want to post on here as frankly, I found your opening post offensive in terms of how you dismiss the victims in this because of how long ago it happened but this last post of yours begs response .....it has been EXACTLY this attitude which has created this whole situation......the corroborative evidence negates the need for people to wait for investigations to end it is there for all to see now, he was a manipulative, perverse sociopath.

God love those he abused and may he rot in the arsehole of hell.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" .....it has been EXACTLY this attitude which has created this whole situation......

God love those he abused and may he rot in the arsehole of hell.

What?? Are you for real?? There has been no precedent in this country for hundreds of years for trial by public opinion.

I am asking for sanity so that the police can conduct an enquiry and form a conclusion based on a thorough investigation and not be influenced by this nonsenical media frenzy. And no I don't care much for womwen, now in their 50's & 60's who are seeking compensation because his hand "lingered on my leg - it just didn't feel right." On the other hand, if a thorough investigation shows that he groomed young girls in order to intimately touch them or to have sex with them - then the media has a right to report that and if he was helped then those helpers need uncovering too. Unfortunately, at the moment NOTHING has been proven - yet senior police officers, BBS Executives, Journalists and most of the country would have him exhumed and a wooden stake rammed through his chest. It is just not right and would never happen if he were still alive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was never a fan of Jimmy Saville, although I did write in to Jim'll Fix It back in the 70's. I always thought him to be odd, but put him down as being a great British eccentric.

The stories that are coming out have really saddened me, not so much for his deciet, but for the amount of victims that did not have a voice to make a complaint. Large companies and establishments have good and bad cultures, thankfully the bad ones normally get ironed out, but you only have to look at the child molestation in the RC Church, racism in the police and it would seem a complacency in the BBC protecting its big stars to see it happens.

Some of the questions I would ask, above the more obvious ones of why didnt anyone take any bloody notice of the allegations, are how has he got keyss to Belmarsh? Why did he have a staff flat at Leeds RI and Stoke Mandeville? Who was protecting him in the BBC? Why did these childrems homes on Staines and Jersey allow him unsupervised access to the kids? Why did the childrens homes allow him to take the kids out for drives on there own?

I hope there is a full investigation and these people that have been assaulted can at least feel they can put their demons to sleep.

I can imagine there are a lot of very nervous BBC stars out there! Someone has mentioned John Peel, in his autobiography he admitted sleeping with a 13 year old when he worked in the USA. He passed it off by saying he thought she was older. He then married a 15 year old!!! Are there others like Peel and Saville in the entertainment industry that are yet to be outed? You can bet your house on it there will be.

For the people thinking it is big and clever to write paedophile jokes on this thread, use your brains and think of the context!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" .....it has been EXACTLY this attitude which has created this whole situation......

God love those he abused and may he rot in the arsehole of hell.

What?? Are you for real?? There has been no precedent in this country for hundreds of years for trial by public opinion.

Oh get off your high horse ...as you very well know I was referring to people not needing investigations completed to be able to see what is the truth ... and anyone reading your original post can see that you dont care, no need to confirm it.....honestly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Don't care about what? I don't care about jumping on bandwagons that is for sure.

I care very much about children - today - suffering abuse in private behind closed doors. The rather sad thing is that when their non celebrity abuser gets outed there will be none of this national hysteria which is truly nauseating and probably mimics the great witch hunts of days gone by.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't care about what? I don't care about jumping on bandwagons that is for sure.

As those he abused were children when it happened ......

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation"

I'm sure the police were aware of “Chinese Whispers” long before this weeks public outings

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"Please just discuss the subject and not post yours or other peoples real experiences as they will and have been removed."

This again ^^^^ plus don't post other well known names on here who you think have abused people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who is responsible of all this drama????"

The vacuous sheep who worship people because they are on the television.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Who is responsible of all this drama????

The vacuous sheep who worship people because they are on the television."

not sure I would describe children possibly brought up in a less than fantastic care system who were looking for positive role models as vacuous sheep.....

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

vulnerable, may fit better

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

although reading again, I hope you mean the adults who remained silent due to his celebrity having witnesses inappropriate behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I met JS when I was about 11 and he didnt touch me so???

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

One of the things that worry me: if someone covers up a crime by another person, the first person can be charged for being an accessory to the crime.

If it is all proven to be true (as there has been no conclusion o the actual investigation and this has not gone to trial yet) then surely the BBC as a whole can face similar charges, seeing as it was actively being covered up??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who is responsible of all this drama????

The vacuous sheep who worship people because they are on the television.

not sure I would describe children possibly brought up in a less than fantastic care system who were looking for positive role models as vacuous sheep.....

The vast majority of people are vacuous sheep who worship other people because they are on the television. This includes parents and those in charge of children in care. These people inculcate children with their sheep like attitudes.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

These people inculcate children with their sheep like attitudes.

cool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can only form my opinions of him on what a nurse friend told me about him in the early '80's, she had to work alongside him then and in the '70's.

The things she told me was enough to convince me that he was an old perv and not a nice man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right or wrong this should be looked into, the witch hunt on him NO, he cant defend himself, but the others involved and the BBC should be investigated though i believe any foundings on Jimmy shouldnt be published but anyone else should be and they should be brought to court, Im not justifying it but it happened along time ago when these type of offencies wasnt considering illegal or immoral look throughout history and stars and many have slept with young girls again im not defending it.

The only good outcome maybe closure for some of these people and that the fact people will learn from this in the hope of better protection for children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason that Jimmy Saville was in a position to do what he is alleged to have done is that he was a television personality and so many people are stupid enough to worship other people for no other reason than that they are on the television.To a child who had never seen him on the television and who had never been inculcated with the idea that someone on the television is special because he is a television personality Jimmy Saville would just have been another one of the thousands of other adults they see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right or wrong this should be looked into, the witch hunt on him NO, he cant defend himself, but the others involved and the BBC should be investigated though i believe any foundings on Jimmy shouldnt be published but anyone else should be and they should be brought to court, Im not justifying it but it happened along time ago when these type of offencies wasnt considering illegal or immoral look throughout history and stars and many have slept with young girls again im not defending it.

The only good outcome maybe closure for some of these people and that the fact people will learn from this in the hope of better protection for children "

Sex with those under 16 yrs old IS illegal and immoral, even in those days.

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

A large number of those who could've prevented such allegations being made, formed the opinion, he done more good than bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Breaking News: A mob of dyslexic parents have just kicked the shit out of Jimmy Sommerville !

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

We'd all better stop posting on this thread as the police etc are going to be swayed by what we're all writing! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only good outcome maybe closure for some of these people and that the fact people will learn from this in the hope of better protection for children

Sex with those under 16 yrs old IS illegal and immoral, even in those days. "

It was illegal to have sex with someone under the age of 16 in the 1970s just as it is now . The one difference between then and now is that sexual abuse of women and girls was swept under the carpet more than it is today. Women and girls were treated much more like second rate citizens so that for example they couldn't divorce men on the sole grounds of adultery whereas men could divorce women for adultery alone, and women were paid less than men even when they did the same job.

Too many of us who were young at that time this was unacceptable and we agitated for change. To a large extent we were successful although there are still (weak) men around who would love to go back to the times when they could lord it over women and girls and abuse them with impunity.

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

personaly i find the initial posters _iew insensitively ignorant and bordering on offensive. You would think if you were going to start a thread on sexual abuse you might at least have some knowledge on the subject or at least be willing to accept the _iews of those that do. You appear to have ended up a troll on your own post, rolmfao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd all better stop posting on this thread as the police etc are going to be swayed by what we're all writing! Z"

The trial will be read this thread on the opening day and the jury will be sent out immediately to deliberate lol.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I just love the way the OP is asking everyone to cease and desist discussing this! It's of great interest due to his fame - the way his behaviour was covered up - the ramifications are wide reaching so of course it's going to be discussed! Oh, quite apart from his victims feelings. Z

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

The BBC have a lot of questions to answer - the evidence says they knew and colluded with Savile, Peel, and now we learn Hughie Green too (is anybody surprised by THAT?). Todays "Telegraph" has an article by a young female reporter who was groped by a BBC executive in 2001, so it was not confined to the 70s and 80s by any means. For days now the BBC has tried to brush this under the carpet and it's coming back to bite them in a big way. Good!

We now hear this vile perv had a bedroom in Stoke Mandeville and Broadmoor hospitals, and interfered with both seriously and mentally ill patients. The paper reports he boasted of "having three 14 year olds" during one morning, and when the person he told asked how he squared this with being a good RC, Savile replied "the man upstairs doesn't mind because I do so much charity work."

All this makes us want to vomit. Let's hope all those who helped, colluded and joined in with Savile are tried and locked away for many, many years.

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By *yronMan
over a year ago

grangemouth

I think that this is all way too premature and now talk of compensation from the BBC and NHS??.....

Everyone involved needs to take a step back and a deep breath and allow the police to complete their investigation before summoning the Executioner.

Think you'll find its far to late for the executioner! He's already dead

According to precedent, that doesn't matter - even someone who has died can still be executed, as happened to Oliver Cromwell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is nothing they can do to Jimmy Savile that will affect him. He's dead and that's that. However, the BBC should be investigated and if it is discovered that they were covering for Savile then heads should roll. I've long held the opinion that the BBC should be left to fend for itself and stripped of public cash as it's mandate to provide unbiased news and programming has been tainted for many years now. The Beeb is so left wing I'm surprised it is going round in an endless circle.

As for Savile's alleged victims, they should have pursued him while he was alive. He wasn't that untouchable as other celebrities who have fallen from grace can attest to (Michael Barrymore for one) so he would have been investigated if enough corroborating evidence was put forward. That fact that he was looked into 7 times should tell you that on 7 seperate occasions it was deemed that there wasn't enough evidence to charge him. Having said that, his family were quick to not only remove his headstone but have it destroyed completely so it does make one wonder what they have been told about their kinsman's activities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ironically loads of women are now fingering Jimmy Savile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think you'll find its far to late for the executioner! He's already dead

According to precedent, that doesn't matter - even someone who has died can still be executed, as happened to Oliver Cromwell."

I know i'm Irish and some say the Irish are thick! lol.. But excuse me for asking how the hell can you execute someone who's already dead????

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over a year ago

Think you'll find its far to late for the executioner! He's already dead

According to precedent, that doesn't matter - even someone who has died can still be executed, as happened to Oliver Cromwell.

I know i'm Irish and some say the Irish are thick! lol.. But excuse me for asking how the hell can you execute someone who's already dead????

It was symbolic. He was disinterred and 'executed' on the anniversary of the execution of Charles I. They left his head on a pole for years

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

maybe because they thought they were the only one...... and as we have seen in the past who would believe a child over in the eyes of some at the time "a man who could do no wrong"......

like many rape cases in the past.... the fear of being rounded on does deter people from coming forward.....

Agree with what you are saying Fabio, but I can't get my head around why it took so long for it to be revealed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Children abused by "normal people". Anybody that abuses kids is not normal. Perhaps you mean people that are not famous. This guy recieved a knighthood and still has it. He might have raised millions for charity but he was in a privaliged position and over paid for what he did. I only wish he was alive to suffer what his family are going through

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over a year ago

"Children abused by "normal people". Anybody that abuses kids is not normal. Perhaps you mean people that are not famous. This guy recieved a knighthood and still has it. He might have raised millions for charity but he was in a privaliged position and over paid for what he did. I only wish he was alive to suffer what his family are going through"

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"The only question I have is why has it taken so long for these "alleged" victims to now speak up.

If there were so many, surely at least one could have at least given a hint that he had a problem while he was alive.

maybe because they thought they were the only one...... and as we have seen in the past who would believe a child over in the eyes of some at the time "a man who could do no wrong"......

like many rape cases in the past.... the fear of being rounded on does deter people from coming forward.....

Agree with what you are saying Fabio, but I can't get my head around why it took so long for it to be revealed.

Because that is the very nature of collusion, fear, and cover up within institutions, and Jimmy Savile was an institution. Individuals are isolated, feel guilty, and feel powerless.

A common reaction, once the myth has been shattered, is an outpouring of testimony, individuals are liberated, needing to exorcise disturbing memories that need to be heard.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I was initially shocked that the allegations date back so many years and that allegedly nobody reported any of this. But then I guess this kind of indecent behaviour went underreported, was brushed under the carpet in the sixties and even seventies. There have been so many cases of sex abuse in different European countries that never came to light until years, decades after. It is almost like the culture of reporting this was not established. Wrong, of course... I know. I am just trying to get my head round the fact that nobody came forward.

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By *leurCouple
over a year ago

West Hull

Its strange but thirty odd years ago we lived in Dunstable and one of our neighbours worked in a posh hotel near Stoke Mandeville.

Chatting one day I asked if any famous people stayed there and she said Jimmy Saville. WOW I said, good old Jimmy, what a great guy, all his charity work, etc, etc.

Our neighbour replied don't believe it he is just a dirty bastard and all the female staff stay away from him.

I certainly didn't expect that as a reply but forgot all about it until now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you wouldnt want a jim l fix it badge now would you

apparantly hundreds have been returned to the bbc"

Bizarrely, they are selling for £150-200 on Ebay!

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"you wouldnt want a jim l fix it badge now would you

apparantly hundreds have been returned to the bbc

Bizarrely, they are selling for £150-200 on Ebay! "

I also saw replica Jimmy Savile tracksuitson Ebay.

The tops are baggy, but the bottoms are tight and difficult to get into . . .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you wouldnt want a jim l fix it badge now would you

apparantly hundreds have been returned to the bbc

Bizarrely, they are selling for £150-200 on Ebay! "

They're the 21st century version of nazi memorabilia!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I didn't see the ITV expose on Jimmy Saville but I have just seen the Esther Rantzen portion. Surely she and her husband (now deceased) were as close to BBC artistocracy as it's possible to be? If Desmond Wilcox couldn't say anything then the culture really must have been rotten to the core.

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By *orkieMan
over a year ago

Who knows

Think about his self-penned epitaph on his headstone before it was removed in the dead of night. The chilling words "It was good while it lasted" ... think that in itself speaks volumes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

allegations.

very difficult and dangerous.

we see it all the time in the media and everyone points the finger because we are being feed news much more than we were back in the 70s,80s, and possibly 90's.

people get tared with alsorts before they even get to court or placed under arrest.

only takes one comment and everyone jumps on the band wagon.

doesnt matter if you clear your name as people will always remember you were the face charged with rape,murder,kidnap etc. people remember faces.

same as the witch hunt which goes on here about single guys all the time and the bashing we get. people put themselves on ivory towers and look down pointing the finger when they are no better themselves.

As for savile.

i believe that his man was so well respected,loved by people and in favor with so many high powered people that it would have been very difficult to being charges against him because most would have dismissed it out of hand.

Even if he was questioned by the police he would have charmed them around to his way of thinking.

And when you add all the charity work,marathon running and other things he did the police would have not been able to proceed because no one would have trusted a child or woman who complained.

the amount of celebraties savile could have called to court to defend him would have made his defense unbreakable.

no barrister would have been able to stain his character when famous face after face were bought into the dock.

all the charites would have backed him up to the case would have been thrown out.

Children were not listened to like they are now and you have to remember back then we only had the bbc and itv as television not the mass companies and news outlets of today.

so this man could have got away with it because times were different and he built up a shield for himself.

only other thing to say is that if it is proven and people go after the bbc for compensation due to them being savile's employer, then that money is yours and mine because we pay the tv license fee to fund the bbc.

think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Savile is the tip of the iceberg some other people involved are still around. I have a feeling over the coming months a few more people will be in hot water."
I think your right i have a feeling more will be coming out over the months to come , I think in 70s /80S/and some of 90s people was not willing chat about this in public not like now .. and why alot was covered up .. it should have been out when he was alive .. as now dead and got away with it and his the victims have to live with it until they die . If its true he done this it should be made public so others cant get away with it ..who are in public eye .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Savile is the tip of the iceberg some other people involved are still around. I have a feeling over the coming months a few more people will be in hot water. I think your right i have a feeling more will be coming out over the months to come , I think in 70s /80S/and some of 90s people was not willing chat about this in public not like now .. and why alot was covered up .. it should have been out when he was alive .. as now dead and got away with it and his the victims have to live with it until they die . If its true he done this it should be made public so others cant get away with it ..who are in public eye ."

hello beautiful.

hope your well xx

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"only other thing to say is that if it is proven and people go after the bbc for compensation due to them being savile's employer, then that money is yours and mine because we pay the tv license fee to fund the bbc.

think about it."

No amount of compensation will take away the trauma some have suffered.

No one will ever know the full extent what thoughts were going through the minds of the victim whilst at the hands of such paedophiles.

If compensation is awarded, it's justified, and may go a little way to say, yes, we now acknowledge you have suffered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he had not of been making millions for charities and had a high profile it may have come out .. he was making millions for people .. and maybe that's why it never come to light.???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

think about it.

No amount of compensation will take away the trauma some have suffered.

No one will ever know the full extent what thoughts were going through the minds of the victim whilst at the hands of such paedophiles.

If compensation is awarded, it's justified, and may go a little way to say, yes, we now acknowledge you have suffered. "

this is true. and i do understand how difficult it must have been for the victims knowing how respected a figure savile was.

as its been mentioned before it will be interesting to see what other famous stars of years gone by are drawn into this horrid affair.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I hope that all those still facing abuse, whether as children, vulnerable people or in the workplace, feel that they can come forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I feel, in NO defence to him to make it clear, it is wrong now to bring allegations against him.

Every person has the right to defend themselves, pretty hard when you are dead.

It is heart breaking for his family, no matter what he is suspected of doing.

This should have been tackled, and has been suspected for a number of years when he was alive!

He was made Sir, when he was alive, this to me is an investigation dead in the water."

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"to me is an investigation dead in the water"

Dead in the water??

It's an insult to those who've suffered, not to be allowed to have their say, what took place, when it took place, who else know about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope that all those still facing abuse, whether as children, vulnerable people or in the workplace, feel that they can come forward."
I think people now see others coming out about it all been scared but it helps knowing they are not alone so now coming forward after years . For them i bet it feel like yesterday.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Esther Rantzen speaking on This Morning about the fact she knew 18 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should remove the Jimmy from the title of this thread to fall in line with media reporting of the subject.

Has anyone else noticed that he is now simply referred to as 'Savile' ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I think we should remove the Jimmy from the title of this thread to fall in line with media reporting of the subject.

Has anyone else noticed that he is now simply referred to as 'Savile' ?"

Indeed. The David Walliams book is being reprinted.

Esther still loved by Phil and Holly and the gauntlet thrown down to her accuser.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I think we should remove the Jimmy from the title of this thread to fall in line with media reporting of the subject.

Has anyone else noticed that he is now simply referred to as 'Savile' ?

Indeed. The David Walliams book is being reprinted.

Esther still loved by Phil and Holly and the gauntlet thrown down to her accuser."

Pity the lady was too ill to appear, lets hope she agrees to soon. Esther did ok

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

if I am honest tho, I also watched the guy who claimed he was abused... I am not sure.

I really hope all the victims that were abused get the help and support they all deserve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I am honest tho, I also watched the guy who claimed he was abused... I am not sure.

I really hope all the victims that were abused get the help and support they all deserve."

It does seem that underage boys were not part of his M.O. All the other accusations are from 13/14 year old schoolgirls

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By *uyuksno1Man
over a year ago

poole

speaking to my old mum about this the other day she said remember when u asked if u could write to jimml fix it when u were a kid and i wouldnt let u i said yeah why she said when she was young she worked at the gpo in london and alot of he stars used to come and get po box mail from the studio and saville walked in and asked her friend for his mail apparantly he touched her and she reported it to her boss 2 days later she was sacked this was back in 62 so i quite believe what they are saying about him and the era you couldnt report a star who would believe u????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Irregardless of how these inquiries turn out, his image is forever tarnished .........

.......... but how is he to be remembered ?

Latent paedophile or dirty old man ? *

* (other options are undoubtedly available)

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

actually you will find young boys were also in his MO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and dead bodies apparently???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He left a tidy sum I wonder how many alleged victims are going to go for compensation?

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"He left a tidy sum I wonder how many alleged victims are going to go for compensation?"

Sadly for some, compensation will never equate to closure, one never get’s over it, you learn to live with it.

How do you repair / replace the security one had when their privacy has been invaded?

It’s a question I’d like to ask those who knew but never acted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wish he was not dead .

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"actually you will find young boys were also in his MO."

Yes - as well as powerless old people - no one was exempt from his advances! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i watched when louis theroux met jimmy savile on you tube again today, seen it when it was first on.

he came across as very likeable and funny. hard to believe what he was realy like.

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over a year ago

"i watched when louis theroux met jimmy savile on you tube again today, seen it when it was first on.

he came across as very likeable and funny. hard to believe what he was realy like.

Thats really weird because when I saw that I thought he came across as very sinister,menacing and two faced,I thought he only said what he thought he wanted people to hear and was completely unatural,a fake happy personality that was put on for the cameras,if id liked him before I watched that I did'nt like him afterwards

Funny how people see things differently

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i watched when louis theroux met jimmy savile on you tube again today, seen it when it was first on.

he came across as very likeable and funny. hard to believe what he was realy like.

really?

I thought he came accross as creepy and very arrogant and not in the least bit likeable.

I remember talking to a few people after, who got the same impression as me.

Basically, that he was fucking his mother.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i liked him in the program because he was different, it was funny the way he talked to louis like he was a little boy.

lots of old people do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he was fond of his mum. not quite the same thing is it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"he was fond of his mum. not quite the same thing is it.

the way he spoke about her, he came accross (to me and several other people) as if he was fucking her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"he was fond of his mum. not quite the same thing is it.

the way he spoke about her, he came accross (to me and several other people) as if he was fucking her.

thats strange.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"he was fond of his mum. not quite the same thing is it.

the way he spoke about her, he came accross (to me and several other people) as if he was fucking her.

We thought it came across as very Norman Bates when he spoke of the Duchess.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Now a formal criminal investigation and the press stating that 200 people have come forward!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"Now a formal criminal investigation and the press stating that 200 people have come forward!"

Now this is really concerning,he must have had a huge amount of power and hold over a lot of people that they felt they could only say something now hes dead,how very sad and it makes my stomach churn

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By *wencatWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Now a formal criminal investigation and the press stating that 200 people have come forward!

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By *wencatWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"i watched when louis theroux met jimmy savile on you tube again today, seen it when it was first on.

he came across as very likeable and funny. hard to believe what he was realy like.

Funny how people see things differently

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I met this man in Leeds / street lane I worked there he was a very odd man very intimadatein to people I was in my.teens but had a boyfriend who I married so he was no threat to me but can see he could have been I never liked the man. he was on a ego trip I think

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

I remember when he visited a factory in Scotland over 40 yrs ago employing mainly women and there were alot of reports then about him groping and putting his hand up skirts and always looked on him as a deviant after that.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

more names to follow.......

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

ps... not mentioning them, but they say more involved.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

When he died, i think i posted as others did that am iconic guy had died. I always thought he was "odd" looking but in an eccentric way.

I didnt form any judgement until the television special went out and now i just feel more sickened by the day, his face has become evil looking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now a formal criminal investigation and the press stating that 200 people have come forward!

Have a feeling there are some veru 'high up', well-connected people who are bricking it right now..... watch this space....

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"ps... not mentioning them, but they say more involved."

The music industry, particularly concerning the attendance of TV music shows and radio roadshows, was rife with pop stars and DJ's picking up vulnerable and starstruck young girls during and after recordings and performances during the 70's and 80's.

I think many of these 'stars' were not concerned enough to ask the ages of their after show prey.....

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"ps... not mentioning them, but they say more involved.

I think many of these 'stars' were not concerned enough to ask the ages of their after show prey....."

totally agree

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