FabSwingers.com forum: Is using a comma before ,and right?

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I have heard that it could be right, but I am not sure, every time when I see it in texts it looks wrong when there is a comma before ",and", what do you think of it and do you know the rules of why it is so?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Someone not getting enough me thinks?

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

It's OK when and joins to two independent clauses

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Someone not getting enough me thinks?"
Yes, some might want to over use the commas.

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By *iggyStarjumpsMan
over a year ago

Stockport

I love fucking to the rhythm of electronic music, especially house, drum and bass, and trance

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"It's OK when and joins to two independent clauses "
I see yes, then, we need a comma before before the conjunction.

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By *ana_nana_MATTMAN!Man
over a year ago

Haywood Village, Weston-super-Mare

Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?

One and two - Standard comma

One, and two - Oxford comma

One ,and two - Nightmare fuel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.

It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:

"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."

You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?

One and two - Standard comma

One, and two - Oxford comma

One ,and two - Nightmare fuel

Ha I didn't read the question that way. Assumed it was a typo. Fair point

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

We had the same conversation at work, recently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oooft i love a good Oxford comma

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By *uicy 2020Woman
over a year ago

London

Im a fan of the oxford comma, but most people dont bother with it, in my experience that is x

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

"Oooft i love a good Oxford comma

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I agree. However I much prefer the Cambridge parenthesis.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma

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By *herryEatersCouple
over a year ago

East Cheshire

Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?

One and two - Standard comma

One, and two - Oxford comma

One ,and two - Nightmare fuel

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Yes. I wonder the same too, there seem to be quite a few commas there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sometimes.

If you use MS Word, it will generally suggest when it is appropriate.

Must admit, our English teacher would have had a pink fit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oooft i love a good Oxford comma

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I agree. However I much prefer the Cambridge parenthesis."

Oh are we in competition

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

"Oooft i love a good Oxford comma

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I agree. However I much prefer the Cambridge parenthesis.

Oh are we in competition

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We're together in brackets. But I know you prefer my shoes better than your own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!"

I've never seen a space there.

It's demarcating the sentence, so replaces a full stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!"

I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!

I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!"

I thought this too. I think it looks odd with a space

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!

I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!

I thought this too. I think it looks odd with a space

The use of the comma after the exclamation is making my eyes hurt.

Nice to see an interrobang though.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!

I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!

I thought this too. I think it looks odd with a space

The use of the comma after the exclamation is making my eyes hurt.

Nice to see an interrobang though."

I just had to google that...never heard of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see an interrobang though.

I just had to google that...never heard of it!

They're a bit nerdy?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"

I'm not a qualified proofreader, but sometimes I like to put a comma there for emphasis.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"

I'm glad to know that now x

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"Nice to see an interrobang though.

I just had to google that...never heard of it!

They're a bit nerdy?!

Maybe, yes lol

I like to learn new stuff. I'll never use it though.

Maybe...I could add it when replying to our customers at work

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"

This one always gets me, but not you've clarified it

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x

This one always gets me, but not you've clarified it

Fucking hell, now, not not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe, yes lol

I like to learn new stuff. I'll never use it though.

Maybe...I could add it when replying to our customers at work

Maybe?!

The interro bit is from 'interrogate' (like question).

The bang bit is because that's what some people used to call exclamations (they were also known as 'screamers'!)

I'm fully nerded out now

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.

It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:

"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."

You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement

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I am not sure if it is the oxford comma, is it called that? That is a good example too of its use there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oxford comma is putting a comma for the last item in a list.

Like:

Breakfast includes toast and butter, bacon and sausage, and coffee and milk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:

https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cor. All this nerdiness.

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By *edsmudgeMan
over a year ago

oxford

As I understood it both conjunctions ‘and’ and ‘but’ do not need commas or full stops either next to, or spaced.

But, I is think as pig shit and dull as dish water

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

In the 1970's,my last van was a commer and it rusted away

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.

It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:

"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."

You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement

I'm all for the Oxford comma.

And people using commas to reflect what they wamt to communicate, however they choose to. It's such a beautiful, flexible lamguage, that we are richer for people to use it, aiming to share themselves as they wish to.

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By *ensualMan
over a year ago

Sutton

"This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:

https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law"

This is why the Oxford Comma is critical, particularly in contracts.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Yes it's appropriate sometimes.

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By *adyBugsWoman
over a year ago

cognito

I think this is my favourite fab thread ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it wrong that this thread has excited me more than any post in the stories and fantasies forum, and seen my hotlist grow immeasurably?

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"We had the same conversation at work, recently

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That is good and same here, but at home, yeah it is an interesting question isnt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x

This one always gets me, but not you've clarified it

But is an adverb and the word is used to co-irdinate conjunctions, eg, into another word or phrase x

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Wheres the fuckin comma on this keyboard....I make do with extra full stops....

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By *heDesiCandiTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicester

Are we in another lockdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ? "

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

Sometimes known as an Oxford pause. Usually used in lists. Think about it in terms of pies:

Tonight I will eat apple, peach and cherry pie

Now I could be eating two or three pies, with an Oxford pause

Tonight I will be eating apple, peach, and cherry pie

Now you know I am eating three pies (not that peach and cherry pie doesn’t sound delicious)

If you think of a comma as a pause, then construct a sentence as you would say it, you will find the appropriate place to use an Oxford pause (comma)

Reminds me of my favourite joke;

Let’s eat grandma - punctuation saves lives. (,)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

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By *entleman JayMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

My old boss told me not to use a comma with the word and.

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

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Pray tell which part of you quivered?

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By *urplechesterCouple
over a year ago

chester

I’m dyslexic so have no idea what you’re talking about sorry

Miss pc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

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Pray tell which part of you quivered? "

Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

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Pray tell which part of you quivered?

Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?

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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

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Pray tell which part of you quivered?

Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?

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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much."

Ha ha ha, given up on synonym googling now and just outright chuckling at that response

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:

https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law

This is why the Oxford Comma is critical, particularly in contracts."

I bet someone's head rolled for that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.

It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:

"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."

You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement

I am not sure if it is the oxford comma, is it called that? That is a good example too of its use there

Thanks. I try.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My old boss told me not to use a comma with the word and. "

I feel that your old boss and I would have not seen eye to eye

I love a good Oxford comma.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For want of a comma that cost US$10 million.....

https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law

A friend showed me that when we had this discussion not long ago.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

There is a useful Wikipedia article about it you might want to look up. It includes a good example of where you should have one:

"The Times once published an unintentionally humorous description of a Peter Ustinov documentary, noting that "highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector". Again, there is ambiguity as to whether the sentence refers to three distinct entities, or whether Mandela is being described as both a demigod and a dildo collector. The addition of a serial comma would not resolve the issue, as he could still be mistaken for a demigod, although he would be precluded from being a dildo collector."

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I just saw it being used as I read an article about the queen and it was used in this sentence "Celebrations are expected across the country, and the pm joined with those honoring the queen"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just saw it being used as I read an article about the queen and it was used in this sentence "Celebrations are expected across the country, and the pm joined with those honoring the queen"

There isn't a right and wrong for these things (apart from using the US spelling for honouring and lowercase for PM

)

It's firstly a question of whether what's written makes sense, and then whether people are happy to read it, and then finally which people will tell you it's wrong. Those people then won't agree because it's a matter of style, not rules.

So don't stress about it

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Oxford comma is putting a comma for the last item in a list.

Like:

Breakfast includes toast and butter, bacon and sausage, and coffee and milk."
That is a good explanation of it too

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Oooft i love a good Oxford comma

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That sounds good to me, me too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:

https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law

This is why the Oxford Comma is critical, particularly in contracts.

I bet someone's head rolled for that!"

Possibly two other smaller items ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oooft i love a good Oxford comma

That sounds good to me, me too

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By *heDesiCandiTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicester

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

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Pray tell which part of you quivered?

Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?

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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much."

I am delighted to discover the age of flirting still exists

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

•

Pray tell which part of you quivered?

Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?

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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much.

I am delighted to discover the age of flirting still exists."

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...this is the logophiles' thread; flirting is a prerequisite.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Im a fan of the oxford comma, but most people dont bother with it, in my experience that is x"
That is good and I also like it, although I like to use it with all the other connectors, it is just with the "and" it looks wrong with

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Im a fan of the oxford comma, but most people dont bother with it, in my experience that is x"
That sounds good to me

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

A thread such as this is like a work of art, hitherto lost in the midst of time but now discovered, restored and displayed for the next generation.

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By *heggMan
over a year ago

South Brum

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"

Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...

To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like good spelling, good grammar and using the Oxford comma.

(Intentional

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By *heggMan
over a year ago

South Brum

"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?

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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.

Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response

A case of hippopotomonstrosesquepedaliaphilia?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My Alma Mater marked you down for using said comma.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x

Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...

To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong."

I'm with you, on both counts!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Writing is about expression and communication. It's fine to express yourself, where you appreciate how others are going to perceive and understand what you have written. And where they have grasped exactly what you wanted to say.

Breaking some rules can be fine and a good thing. Less so, if it becomes the fixation of attention, rather than your overall meaning. But, you can use commas somewhat flexibly.

Our language evolves, through our use of it, for our needs.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Writing is about expression and communication. It's fine to express yourself, where you appreciate how others are going to perceive and understand what you have written. And where they have grasped exactly what you wanted to say.

Breaking some rules can be fine and a good thing. Less so, if it becomes the fixation of attention, rather than your overall meaning. But, you can use commas somewhat flexibly.

Our language evolves, through our use of it, for our needs. "
Yes and that is right, our language always evolves too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x

Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...

To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong."

Ohhh yesssss! 1 space is just wrong.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Sometimes it works, yes.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Oxford commas, don't like 'em.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x

Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...

To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong.

Ohhh yesssss! 1 space is just wrong.

Yes I did CSE typing, as I foresaw every body typing on a regular basis and thought it might be a useful skill.

Touch typing was something I could never master, as I never had the ability to remember where the keys were.

I can still use one now. Central placed text? Count the letters, divide by two then backspace by half that number if odd, round down, then divide by two.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

It could be worse it could be one of those huge ever growing pulsating sentences from the centre of the universe that seem to exist for no other reason but to contain not a single solitary piece of punctuation apart from the humble word separating space which therefor leaves you either trying to decipher what the hell the poster is trying to say while reading it in a single breath even when doing it in your head so obviously no need to actually breathe at the correct point or you are left wondering exactly where this loon was educated that they feel it wholly appropriate to sully the page with the almost never ending tirade of letters resembling an accident in a scrabble tile factory that has somehow resulted in the dropped letters falling in to perfectly formed yet almost incomprehensible words due to the lack of legible sentences that you are now punctuating yourself as you pause at the correct points while you trawl through the madness in front of you

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"It could be worse it could be one of those huge ever growing pulsating sentences from the centre of the universe that seem to exist for no other reason but to contain not a single solitary piece of punctuation apart from the humble word separating space which therefor leaves you either trying to decipher what the hell the poster is trying to say while reading it in a single breath even when doing it in your head so obviously no need to actually breathe at the correct point or you are left wondering exactly where this loon was educated that they feel it wholly appropriate to sully the page with the almost never ending tirade of letters resembling an accident in a scrabble tile factory that has somehow resulted in the dropped letters falling in to perfectly formed yet almost incomprehensible words due to the lack of legible sentences that you are now punctuating yourself as you pause at the correct points while you trawl through the madness in front of you

Who needs punctuation

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Who needs punctuation

Notaincientcivilisations

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By *tagman6930Man
over a year ago

SW London

"In the 1970's,my last van was a commer and it rusted away

It came to a full stop then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who needs punctuation

Certainly not the Romans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have heard that it could be right, but I am not sure, every time when I see it in texts it looks wrong when there is a comma before ",and", what do you think of it and do you know the rules of why it is so?

Dum and bass, trance and hip hop looks better.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

What you are referring to, I think, is the Oxford Comma. It's an ongoing debate and neither right or wrong. Here's an example of when you might want to use it:

"I was raised by my parents, Prince and Madonna."

Without a comma before the last item in that list, it looks like your parents are Prince and Madonna. The alternative would be:

"I was raised by my parents, Prince, and Madonna."

However, I personally don't use it and would just reword as such:

"I was raised by my parents, along with Prince and Madonna."

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I like good spelling, good grammar and using the Oxford comma.

(Intentional

Brilliant!

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

"Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?

One and two - Standard comma

One, and two - Oxford comma

One ,and two - Nightmare fuel

I went, to the shop to buy, bread - The Rogue comma

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By *aughty Couple ABCCouple
over a year ago

West Bromwich

"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.

It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:

"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."

You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement

This is using commas for a subordinate clause.

Commas are not used before 'and' in a list: I went to the shops and bought a cucumber, an aubergine, some lube and a packet of condoms.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Commas are not used before 'and' in a list: I went to the shops and bought a cucumber, an aubergine, some lube and a packet of condoms. "

On the contrary, it's a matter of style. Commas often *are* used before the last iten in a list.

Your example does not apply, as the extra comma would not aid clarity.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Is it wrong that this thread has excited me more than any post in the stories and fantasies forum, and seen my hotlist grow immeasurably?

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No, not at all, that sounds good to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

,and, is correct

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By *entBarryUKMan
over a year ago

Ashford

If the part of the sentence before ", and" could be a sentence in it's own right, i.e. with a full stop instead of the ", and", then the ", and" is completely justified.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

ask

a poet

they might know

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By *anDare70Man
over a year ago

kirkby

Well this is a grammatical ray of sunshine between the clustered genitals. I feel soothed. Thank you contributors x

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"

My second high history teacher was famous for saying "however comma" when dictating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were thought that you use a comma to separate your points, where you would breathe during speech and never before and.

However my English teacher friend sent me a message once with comma, and then continued with and. I pulled him up on it and he said that’s ok and explained something about subtense or pretended that went over my head.

So this thread did the same. I get you can go , and correctly at times but when baffles me.

Same for semi colons which my friend also tried to define. I don’t understand them either but he will use them in writing a story.

My heads a bit anti language anyway, may never get it. My natural ease is with maths instead.

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