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"He reminds me of slappy the ventriloquist style dummy with his face and new hair. Cannot stand comedians who use humiliation of the audience to get a laugh.. fuck me we can all pick on people for a laugh but I’d class that as bullying. Not a one liner fan either " You prefer a lengthy sentence? | |||
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"Funny, controversial, or just not on?" Are you referring to his Holocaust "joke" ? | |||
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"I don’t find him funny. I don’t find him that controversial either. He always strikes me as a guy trying very, very hard to be liked but inadvertently pisses folk off. And that makes me feel for him a bit." I think the same! | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. "  with ya Granny! There was a thread last night where the OP didn’t like the trend for some (young) women to use Botox / lip fillers / tattoos etc and the male thread starter was generally castigated for being body critical .. but attack a man’s looks and it’s fair game!
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. " | |||
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"Funny, controversial, or just not on? Are you referring to his Holocaust "joke" ?" Or maybe the r@pe joke he makes  | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. " To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it. | |||
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"I didn’t used to like him but do now. He is sharp. However edgy jokes about underage stuff or the Holocaust I think are not for broadcast." They aren't acceptable whether broadcast or not. Making jokes from the deepest suffering that people can have just isn't funny. How could it be? I wonder if he'd joke about if his family were murdered or suffered other horrendous abuse? | |||
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"I didn’t used to like him but do now. He is sharp. However edgy jokes about underage stuff or the Holocaust I think are not for broadcast." That’s an issue for the broadcasters. If you go to places like secret comedy club you hear far far worse than that | |||
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"I didn’t used to like him but do now. He is sharp. However edgy jokes about underage stuff or the Holocaust I think are not for broadcast. They aren't acceptable whether broadcast or not. Making jokes from the deepest suffering that people can have just isn't funny. How could it be? I wonder if he'd joke about if his family were murdered or suffered other horrendous abuse? " Joan Rivers used to joke about her husband's suicide. | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it." Generally, people fail to see the actual joke.... If there is a joke about a certain group the joke is never on them - it is usually about the ludicrousness of some other social aspect. It's as if people just want to be triggered by certain words. | |||
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" His Roma joke makes a very valid point , it’s made via the medium of comedy " How is saying that mass murder of Roma has a positive side "a valid point" | |||
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He loves a heckler. There’s a big screen at the front before he comes on saying Jimmy encourages heckles and people shouting out lol | |||
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"I didn’t used to like him but do now. He is sharp. However edgy jokes about underage stuff or the Holocaust I think are not for broadcast. They aren't acceptable whether broadcast or not. Making jokes from the deepest suffering that people can have just isn't funny. How could it be? I wonder if he'd joke about if his family were murdered or suffered other horrendous abuse? " I couldn’t care less what people joke about in private. However broadcasters are supposed to have standards . I know he justified the joke as career ending possibly. But I knew he was on a knife edge and for me he had crossed that fine line. | |||
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" His Roma joke makes a very valid point , it’s made via the medium of comedy How is saying that mass murder of Roma has a positive side "a valid point" " 'No one ever wants to talk about the thousands of Gypsies killed by the Nazis, because no one wants to talk about the positives' Gosh, so clever  | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it. Generally, people fail to see the actual joke.... If there is a joke about a certain group the joke is never on them - it is usually about the ludicrousness of some other social aspect. It's as if people just want to be triggered by certain words. "
The reaction from them is what he wanted , it highlights the issue he is making is true, if it wasn’t true they wouldn’t be offended.
This is what he says about the Roma joke.
There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses. | |||
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" There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses." But where is the positive in that ? | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. " I like him and his humour. I like that he can take it when people take the piss out of him, like his Tax affairs, botox and hair transplant. He's not afraid to use his own "vanity" to mock himself and use it for material. He makes me laugh. That's pretty much what I require from comedians. That people don't find him funny doesn't make him not funny, and vice versa. Winston | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it. Generally, people fail to see the actual joke.... If there is a joke about a certain group the joke is never on them - it is usually about the ludicrousness of some other social aspect. It's as if people just want to be triggered by certain words.
The reaction from them is what he wanted , it highlights the issue he is making is true, if it wasn’t true they wouldn’t be offended.
This is what he says about the Roma joke.
There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses."A sad reality is few know about the Armenian massacres or even consider it genocide. This was true in Nazi germany and Hitler even was quoted as saying well who will one day care about the Jews? Few would care about upto two million German speaking Europeans killed at the war’s end. In my opinion a massacre of innocents is a massacre and never justified. I don’t think comedy is necessarily any place to debate such matters. | |||
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" There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses. But where is the positive in that ? " Quite, can you imagine the response if he'd chosen gays or disabled people to make his 'educational point' about instead of gypsies? | |||
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" There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses. But where is the positive in that ? " Well, you could say the same about a newspaper article, piece of art or song lyrics on the same, maybe for you there is no point. | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it. Generally, people fail to see the actual joke.... If there is a joke about a certain group the joke is never on them - it is usually about the ludicrousness of some other social aspect. It's as if people just want to be triggered by certain words.
The reaction from them is what he wanted , it highlights the issue he is making is true, if it wasn’t true they wouldn’t be offended.
This is what he says about the Roma joke.
There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses.
A sad reality is few know about the Armenian massacres or even consider it genocide.
This was true in Nazi germany and Hitler even was quoted as saying well who will one day care about the Jews?
Few would care about upto two million German speaking Europeans killed at the war’s end.
In my opinion a massacre of innocents is a massacre and never justified. I don’t think comedy is necessarily any place to debate such matters."Maybe not but it is HIS vehicle and we all know more than we did before. | |||
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" There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses. But where is the positive in that ? Quite, can you imagine the response if he'd chosen gays or disabled people to make his 'educational point' about instead of gypsies? " All groups are used in comedy, dramas, art , music ...... Mentioning them is not a negative as such. Nor is making jokes about them as long as the joke isn't ( in law ) denigrating. | |||
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. " Right. I have to go see it for myself. | |||
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. Right. I have to go see it for myself. " Whatever you do, don't laugh Granny. It's not allowed. 
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. " He didn't claim that - MrHotNotts suggested it further up. | |||
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. Right. I have to go see it for myself. Whatever you do, don't laugh Granny. It's not allowed.
Winston"This framing of criticism being about what you're "allowed" to do is so boring and pointless. You're allowed to laugh at this stuff. I'm allowed to say it's abhorrent. | |||
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. " I agree. I watched his stand up show on Netflix and thought how all his "comedy" is lazy. | |||
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. He didn't claim that - MrHotNotts suggested it further up." Love it when people try to correct you without having looked into the subject at all: 'In the special, Carr, known for his standup and roles on shows such as 8 Out Of 10 Cats, went on to explain why he thought it was a good joke, saying that it was “fucking funny”, “edgy as hell” and had an educational value. “It’s a joke about the worst thing that’s ever happened in human history, and people say ‘never forget’, well this is how I remember,” he said. “There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses.”' | |||
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"Personally think he is brilliant. Too many butt hurt people in the world just looking for an excuse to moan and feel validated when complaining about him and comedians in general. He's in the same mould as Ricky Gervais,another one who doesn't give a shit if your feelings are hurt. You know what you're going to get so act accordingly " I'm not butt hurt. I thought all he can do is take the piss out of unfortunate people. | |||
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"He reminds me of the school bully taking shots at the kid with glasses, or the overweight girl." But in an educational way | |||
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"He's not my style of humour, so usually I'm just indifferent to him. But this latest holocaust joke is just awful and has no redeeming features. It's not satire, it's just straight up laughing at a group being victims of genocide because they are apparently awful and deserve it. And for him to claim there's an educational aspect is pathetic. He didn't claim that - MrHotNotts suggested it further up. Love it when people try to correct you without having looked into the subject at all: 'In the special, Carr, known for his standup and roles on shows such as 8 Out Of 10 Cats, went on to explain why he thought it was a good joke, saying that it was “fucking funny”, “edgy as hell” and had an educational value. “It’s a joke about the worst thing that’s ever happened in human history, and people say ‘never forget’, well this is how I remember,” he said. “There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses.”' " The last quote is MrHotNotts. Why the snark? No need for rudeness. | |||
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"He reminds me of the school bully taking shots at the kid with glasses, or the overweight girl. But in an educational way" If a man came on these forums and made fun of all the people JC digs at he would be lynched and banned. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls...." The thread is just asking whether people like him. It's not a thread about his latest furore... | |||
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"Some interesting views above. I still can't see why it's necessary to deliberately set out to offend people by joking about something like the Holocaust? It just trivialises the experience of so many people, including the families who lost members through genocide. Why is that funny? It's just the wrong medium to draw attention to this issue. " Apparently it's educational | |||
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" There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses. But where is the positive in that ? Quite, can you imagine the response if he'd chosen gays or disabled people to make his 'educational point' about instead of gypsies? All groups are used in comedy, dramas, art , music ...... Mentioning them is not a negative as such. Nor is making jokes about them as long as the joke isn't ( in law ) denigrating. " If it is denigrating then it's not a joke....This is no joke, it's about as denigrating as it gets. "When people talk about the Holocaust, they talk about the tragedy and horror of six million Jewish lives being lost to the Nazi war machine.” He goes on: “But they never mention the thousands of Gypsies that were killed by the Nazis.” “No one ever talks about that, because no one wants to talk about the positives" | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls...." I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... The thread is just asking whether people like him. It's not a thread about his latest furore... It's a discussion about him and if people like what he says? " Yes and what he's said lately has come up naturally (most people won't have seen the special) so I think saying people are jumping on the bandwagon is harsh. | |||
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"Funny, controversial, or just not on?" All of the above. I do find him funny though. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets?" I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... The thread is just asking whether people like him. It's not a thread about his latest furore... It's a discussion about him and if people like what he says? Yes and what he's said lately has come up naturally (most people won't have seen the special) so I think saying people are jumping on the bandwagon is harsh. " It hasn't come up naturally at all, have you read the news today? | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... The thread is just asking whether people like him. It's not a thread about his latest furore... It's a discussion about him and if people like what he says? Yes and what he's said lately has come up naturally (most people won't have seen the special) so I think saying people are jumping on the bandwagon is harsh. It hasn't come up naturally at all, have you read the news today?" Why is naturally there? Bloody auto carrot! I meant recently. | |||
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" There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses. But where is the positive in that ? Quite, can you imagine the response if he'd chosen gays or disabled people to make his 'educational point' about instead of gypsies? All groups are used in comedy, dramas, art , music ...... Mentioning them is not a negative as such. Nor is making jokes about them as long as the joke isn't ( in law ) denigrating. If it is denigrating then it's not a joke....This is no joke, it's about as denigrating as it gets. "When people talk about the Holocaust, they talk about the tragedy and horror of six million Jewish lives being lost to the Nazi war machine.” He goes on: “But they never mention the thousands of Gypsies that were killed by the Nazis.” “No one ever talks about that, because no one wants to talk about the positives" " Agreed, it's no different to the recent cases of some police officers having a laugh about murders they've witnessed. It's only a joke ... | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on " I don't read much news and have no idea what the media are saying about him. Sometimes people laugh at themselves with the bullies, to cover up the hurt. I'm pretty much impossible to offend, even as a fat woman who he likes to aim jokes at. I just don't think he's as brilliant as you think he is. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on I don't read much news and have no idea what the media are saying about him. Sometimes people laugh at themselves with the bullies, to cover up the hurt. I'm pretty much impossible to offend, even as a fat woman who he likes to aim jokes at. I just don't think he's as brilliant as you think he is. " We can't all like the same thing and I accept that 100%. What gets my back up is the amount of people who simply get offended because others are offended and pile in with no other reason than to be part of barking crowd. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls...." We can all be shocked and disgusted by what we are informed about without having prior knowledge of the issue, we rightly are so when children are murdered .. The hiding behind Carr claiming more people now know about this particular genocide so that justifies the offence doesn't wash.. Our grandchildren when they get older won't necessarily know about the crimes of Brady and Hindley, I doubt they will learn of such things under the guise of 'comedy'.. | |||
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it." I'm going to watch it later. I love Jimmy Carr. | |||
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"I don’t find him funny. I don’t find him that controversial either. He always strikes me as a guy trying very, very hard to be liked but inadvertently pisses folk off. And that makes me feel for him a bit." Think the same. Except for the last bit, don't feel for him at all, he's annoying. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on I don't read much news and have no idea what the media are saying about him. Sometimes people laugh at themselves with the bullies, to cover up the hurt. I'm pretty much impossible to offend, even as a fat woman who he likes to aim jokes at. I just don't think he's as brilliant as you think he is. We can't all like the same thing and I accept that 100%. What gets my back up is the amount of people who simply get offended because others are offended and pile in with no other reason than to be part of barking crowd.
How do you know that's the case? It's a very controversial joke; why wouldn't a large amount of people find it offensive?"The show was aired Dec 25th, the media ran a story yesterday and now everyone is offended? I'm sure everyone has watched the show.. | |||
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How do you know that's the case? It's a very controversial joke; why wouldn't a large amount of people find it offensive?
The show was aired Dec 25th, the media ran a story yesterday and now everyone is offended? I'm sure everyone has watched the show.."Peoole didn't have to be alive in the second world war not to be offended by what the Nazis did. What difference does a month make? | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on I don't read much news and have no idea what the media are saying about him. Sometimes people laugh at themselves with the bullies, to cover up the hurt. I'm pretty much impossible to offend, even as a fat woman who he likes to aim jokes at. I just don't think he's as brilliant as you think he is. We can't all like the same thing and I accept that 100%. What gets my back up is the amount of people who simply get offended because others are offended and pile in with no other reason than to be part of barking crowd.
How do you know that's the case? It's a very controversial joke; why wouldn't a large amount of people find it offensive?
The show was aired Dec 25th, the media ran a story yesterday and now everyone is offended? I'm sure everyone has watched the show..
Peoole didn't have to be alive in the second world war not to be offended by what the Nazis did. What difference does a month make? "I didn't say that... I'm inferring people are being offended without watching the show and jumping in because that has become the normal thing to do, be vocally offended because they can. I have not defended the sketch / joke / or show, I'm highlighting how quickly people can become judge and jury with little skin in the game, but the person on the other end can lose their career and livelihood because of mob mentality. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on I don't read much news and have no idea what the media are saying about him. Sometimes people laugh at themselves with the bullies, to cover up the hurt. I'm pretty much impossible to offend, even as a fat woman who he likes to aim jokes at. I just don't think he's as brilliant as you think he is. We can't all like the same thing and I accept that 100%. What gets my back up is the amount of people who simply get offended because others are offended and pile in with no other reason than to be part of barking crowd.
How do you know that's the case? It's a very controversial joke; why wouldn't a large amount of people find it offensive?
The show was aired Dec 25th, the media ran a story yesterday and now everyone is offended? I'm sure everyone has watched the show..
Peoole didn't have to be alive in the second world war not to be offended by what the Nazis did. What difference does a month make?
I didn't say that... I'm inferring people are being offended without watching the show and jumping in because that has become the normal thing to do, be vocally offended because they can.
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"I watched it. There wasn't a subject untouched.... I laughed at it all, especially the parts relevant to me and where I sit in society ..... The funny is in the difference between expectation and what is actually received. I gasped a few times but you'd have to either try extremely hard to NOT understand that the joke is in the pun, the shock element, the lies, his facial expressions as he waits for your cogs to kick in .. and not in the tragic events. " This is exactly what I have been saying! Watch it and form your opinion, not jump on the back of the baying mob who are all reacting to each other. | |||
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"I watched it. There wasn't a subject untouched.... I laughed at it all, especially the parts relevant to me and where I sit in society ..... The funny is in the difference between expectation and what is actually received. I gasped a few times but you'd have to either try extremely hard to NOT understand that the joke is in the pun, the shock element, the lies, his facial expressions as he waits for your cogs to kick in .. and not in the tragic events. This is exactly what I have been saying! Watch it and form your opinion, not jump on the back of the baying mob who are all reacting to each other. "If it's a competition I said it before you ... If it isn't - stop 'mansplaining' in a meta manner | |||
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"I think he's learnt his craft and has a lot of fans. I like some of his jokes, but don't find him hilarious. If he was truly controversial he wouldn't be on TV." Fair point which many seem to overlook but to be precise it wasn't on T.V. It was on Netflix and before the show people are warned ....... ADULT, SENSITIVE, NEAR THE KNUCKLE, BE WARNED, there are limitless warnings.... You are given a choice whether to watch or not. This doesn't mean that the jokes are automatically right but it's the media that brought it to a wider audience and lo ...... | |||
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"I watched it. There wasn't a subject untouched.... I laughed at it all, especially the parts relevant to me and where I sit in society ..... The funny is in the difference between expectation and what is actually received. I gasped a few times but you'd have to either try extremely hard to NOT understand that the joke is in the pun, the shock element, the lies, his facial expressions as he waits for your cogs to kick in .. and not in the tragic events. This is exactly what I have been saying! Watch it and form your opinion, not jump on the back of the baying mob who are all reacting to each other.
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls.... I'm talking about his comedy in general, not one specific gag. Do you not think his comedy is lazy and easy to write because he's picking easy targets? I think his comedy is genius and often misunderstood. He writes a lot of material for and with many comedians that he doesn't front. He wrote a letter that turned into a joke about Stephen Hawking, in isolation it sounds cruel and nasty but what that letter / joke did was bring the 2 of them together, they became the best of friends. His comedy, isn't for everyone, I get that, but I wont simply jump on a bandwagon of hate just because the media are piling it on I don't read much news and have no idea what the media are saying about him. Sometimes people laugh at themselves with the bullies, to cover up the hurt. I'm pretty much impossible to offend, even as a fat woman who he likes to aim jokes at. I just don't think he's as brilliant as you think he is. We can't all like the same thing and I accept that 100%. What gets my back up is the amount of people who simply get offended because others are offended and pile in with no other reason than to be part of barking crowd.
How do you know that's the case? It's a very controversial joke; why wouldn't a large amount of people find it offensive?
The show was aired Dec 25th, the media ran a story yesterday and now everyone is offended? I'm sure everyone has watched the show..
Peoole didn't have to be alive in the second world war not to be offended by what the Nazis did. What difference does a month make?
I didn't say that... I'm inferring people are being offended without watching the show and jumping in because that has become the normal thing to do, be vocally offended because they can.
I have not defended the sketch / joke / or show, I'm highlighting how quickly people can become judge and jury with little skin in the game, but the person on the other end can lose their career and livelihood because of mob mentality. "I'm not sure I understand your argument. There's always a point where something is brought to our attention? You don't have to be a direct witness, whether to a genocide or a comedy show, to speak up if it's wrong. We should all have 'skin in this game'. We're part of society and should hold eachother to account for our behaviour towards one another, especially about things as serious as genocide and other attrocities. And to be fair, this was a public show. He knowingly made the joke and acknowledged he knew it would cause widespread offence. He only has himself to blame if it does end his career (as he said himself before making the 'joke'). I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one! | |||
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If it's a competition I said it before you ...
If it isn't - stop 'mansplaining' in a meta manner
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"I'm not sure I understand your argument. There's always a point where something is brought to our attention? You don't have to be a direct witness, whether to a genocide or a comedy show, to speak up if it's wrong. We should all have 'skin in this game'. We're part of society and should hold eachother to account for our behaviour towards one another, especially about things as serious as genocide and other attrocities. And to be fair, this was a public show. He knowingly made the joke and acknowledged he knew it would cause widespread offence. He only has himself to blame if it does end his career (as he said himself before making the 'joke'). I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one! " Look about 8 posts up from this one Granny Crumpet sums it up far better than I have managed too. | |||
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"I watched it. There wasn't a subject untouched.... I laughed at it all, especially the parts relevant to me and where I sit in society ..... The funny is in the difference between expectation and what is actually received. I gasped a few times but you'd have to either try extremely hard to NOT understand that the joke is in the pun, the shock element, the lies, his facial expressions as he waits for your cogs to kick in .. and not in the tragic events. This is exactly what I have been saying! Watch it and form your opinion, not jump on the back of the baying mob who are all reacting to each other.
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"I am a great fan. I won't comment on his physical appearance as some have. How can people moan about Jimmy Carr poking fun at others and then think his physical appearance is fair game when asked about his prowess as a comedian ? Where's all the 'anti body shaming' fanatics when things like this happen ? He is razor sharp. Enjoyed a good education through which he landed a job in the city. I can see people instantly turning off him when their assumptions lead them to be bias. He didn't have the easiest of beginnings and is forever grateful to his mother for her struggles. He left his job in the city as he had money but wanted happiness so he worked his way up the comedy circuit, loved it and made it his life. One of his mantras is to do what makes you happy. He is a very hard working comedian who other comedians look up to and who he helps get on in the business. Out of guise he is a very different persona. His 'act' is an act..... I am going to check him out on netflix because recent news says that he made inappropriate remarks about sections of society. My honest belief is that when I check it out he will have used political satire that the 'want to be offended' will have claimed they are hurt by. If it's not , I'll say so. "
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"I think he's learnt his craft and has a lot of fans. I like some of his jokes, but don't find him hilarious. If he was truly controversial he wouldn't be on TV. Fair point which many seem to overlook but to be precise it wasn't on T.V. It was on Netflix and before the show people are warned ....... ADULT, SENSITIVE, NEAR THE KNUCKLE, BE WARNED, there are limitless warnings.... You are given a choice whether to watch or not. This doesn't mean that the jokes are automatically right but it's the media that brought it to a wider audience and lo ...... " I guess they couldn't put 'racist' in the disclaimer? | |||
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"Funny, controversial, or just not on?" Just funny.. | |||
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"I wouldn't go and see him, some of his material makes me uncomfortable, probably because it's about things I'd rather not acknowledge was or has happened. I refused a book about the Holocaust for the same reason. Is reading about it worse than hearing a joke about it if both are done for entertainment of sorts? The man has some great suits though" Every now and then I read something on these forums that shows real insight and a serious amount of self awareness. This is absolutely one of them and - as so often is the case - it's been ignored. There is an awful lot of truth in this. Mr | |||
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"A comedy being good or bad is subjective opinion. Some people like slapstick, some people like it dark. I understand why some people don't like him. Personally, humour plays a major role in helping me internalise tragedies better. I had a divorce which was hard to handle for quite sometime. But later, my friends started making jokes about my divorce take the piss out of me. It might sound heartless. But that actually played a big role helping me move on from it. Jimmy Carr's jokes are for people like me. We know that what happened was bad. But life still has to go on. His jokes while sounding offensive help us get on with life. Another thing I admire about him is that unlike most other comedians who target specific religions and races, he goes all the way bashing everyone. At least he is not being a hypocrite in that aspect. A genuine equal opportunities offender."  | |||
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"I looked at the joke, I've seen much worse coming of the mouth of Ricky Gervais who's generally lauded on forums. Carr has a go at everyone doesn't just target certain sections. He did warn the audience before delivering the joke " | |||
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"Some things just aren't comic fodder anymore and thank god for that because some "jokes" were just there to be disparaging about a particular group or section of society that was seen as an easy target, so all minorities, women and people of colour. It's funny if it's not you having to cope with the discrimination that "jokes" enable, the attitudes and the hate. There has been a lot of progress but remember what jokes and slurs and attitudes lead to unless you stop to think. "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." " The Nazis were not really known for stand up comedy. | |||
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"He’s hilarious. Seen him live too. I think his holocaust joke has sparked outrage because it’s highlighted the truth. People still treat gypsies with disdain. In this whole world there’s a sub-class of people that are still bullied and ridiculed and he has highlighted that fact. Other groups are people with red hair, fat people etc. He held a mirror to society and we are ashamed of what we’ve seen. " | |||
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"He’s hilarious. Seen him live too. I think his holocaust joke has sparked outrage because it’s highlighted the truth. People still treat gypsies with disdain. In this whole world there’s a sub-class of people that are still bullied and ridiculed and he has highlighted that fact. Other groups are people with red hair, fat people etc. He held a mirror to society and we are ashamed of what we’ve seen. " | |||
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"Jimmy Carr has a touch, it is a golden touch that separates people by the way they listen and take in information, similar to how people read the same article and come away with different views formed on their bias or general miss-understanding of the subject or vocabulary being used. What makes me laugh is how so many people, here included, are now jumping on the back of this story and all wanting to be shocked, disgusted and offended, that makes me think that the vast majority haven't watched the show or heard the comments in context. They couldn't possibly have heard it or they would have raised their shock, horror and disgust before now surely? Are people jumping on the offended bandwagon because they love to be a voice of the righteous as it helps clear their souls...." ............................ ..but you're appearing to be offended by the offended! | |||
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"Some things just aren't comic fodder anymore and thank god for that because some "jokes" were just there to be disparaging about a particular group or section of society that was seen as an easy target, so all minorities, women and people of colour. It's funny if it's not you having to cope with the discrimination that "jokes" enable, the attitudes and the hate. There has been a lot of progress but remember what jokes and slurs and attitudes lead to unless you stop to think. "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." " As far as I know, people who like these types of jokes are more than happy to be the target of these jokes. I am Asian and I have been to many stand up shows where Asians were made fun of. I laughed with the rest of the audience. It's all subjective. If you like like offensive jokes, go ahead and watch it. If not, don't watch it. There are people who would be happy if the joke is about one section of people but not happy when it's about another. They are just hypocrites. | |||
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"The only people who really have a right to comment on his "joke" are the GRT community. they have unequivocally denounced it as something that only stirs up hate against their community. It serves as a reminder how almost 75% of their community was murdered by the Nazis in the Holocaust. 75% of an entire community. Think about that for a second. It's not defensible for any decent people to find funny and before I get slated for not having a sense of humour, I do, but I can't laugh at anything to do with the Holocaust because it wasn't that long ago, it happened while ordinary people looked on and did nothing and also, I'm not a racist. " Everyone has the right to comment about everything. No one has the right to take that right away from someone else. | |||
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"Funny, controversial, or just not on?" The bit in his special that has courted all the controversy was just pathetic. It was like watching a child who learns they get a shocked reaction if they say, "poo poo." And the holocaust joke was lazy, racist, predictable and unfunny. I genuinely hope it will be the career ender he predicted. | |||
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"The only people who really have a right to comment on his "joke" are the GRT community. " That only makes sense if it had been someone from the community who made the joke in the first place. Otherwise, it would be like a white comedian celebrating lynching of black people and no white person speaking out against it. That would be indefensible in my opinion. | |||
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"He’s hilarious. Seen him live too. I think his holocaust joke has sparked outrage because it’s highlighted the truth. People still treat gypsies with disdain. In this whole world there’s a sub-class of people that are still bullied and ridiculed and he has highlighted that fact. Other groups are people with red hair, fat people etc. He held a mirror to society and we are ashamed of what we’ve seen. " ........................... Good point, the people who get the 'joke' will place it in that context, unfortunately those who don't understand the social message will see it as a joke against gypsies (or whatever minority group) and an excuse to demonise them further. Remember Alf Garnett? Racists thought he was hilarious because he used racist language, not getting the fact the character was lampooning them. Despite that I'm not sure Alf helped community relations! | |||
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"The only people who really have a right to comment on his "joke" are the GRT community. That only makes sense if it had been someone from the community who made the joke in the first place. Otherwise, it would be like a white comedian celebrating lynching of black people and no white person speaking out against it. That would be indefensible in my opinion." ............................ ..be careful you'll be accused of virtue signalling or being offended on behalf of others! | |||
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"To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it." This is where I'm at. I hadn't seen that there had been a new story about him until after I saw this thread. I wonder if it's the joke/performance I'm thinking of, where he was trying to make a point about where people draw the line in what's funny and what's 'too offensive'? If he's using such humour to make a point like that, it shouldn't really be taken out of context. Obviously, if it's a stand-alone joke, tweet etc, I understand people's discomfort. | |||
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"Genuinely nice bloke, worked with him a few times in the past. Unassuming, no celebrity bollocks, just does his show then walks himself to the train station to get home. And I do love his material. I understand how some find it offensive, but if you have a dark sense of humour he appeals. That aside he's quick witted and always has a come back (like if you want my comeback you'll have to scrape it off your Mums teeth....) "I have a dark sense of humour (you have to in my job), but don't tend to find holocaust jokes all that funny. "No celebrity bollocks" and famed tax evader, who even jokes about it, don't really go hand in hand. | |||
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"I wonder if he'd joke about if his family were murdered or suffered other horrendous abuse? " I suspect he probably would. | |||
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"If a group of people tell you that a "joke" about a significant event in their history hurt their community, that should be the end of the discussion - we do not have their lived experience but we should have empathy and the good grace to just know from a moral stand point what is right and wrong." Damn right! | |||
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"To be honest, I don't understand why people still complain about his jokes being offensive. He has repeatedly made it clear that he believes that it's important for us to laugh at our own miseries once in awhile. It doesn't take away the fact that what happened was bad. Be it r*pe or holocaust. Making a joke about it doesn't mean he supports it. This is where I'm at. I hadn't seen that there had been a new story about him until after I saw this thread. I wonder if it's the joke/performance I'm thinking of, where he was trying to make a point about where people draw the line in what's funny and what's 'too offensive'? If he's using such humour to make a point like that, it shouldn't really be taken out of context. Obviously, if it's a stand-alone joke, tweet etc, I understand people's discomfort. " I can understand people's discomfort after hearing it. But it's Jimmy Carr. What else did they expect? | |||
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"Generally, people fail to see the actual joke.... If there is a joke about a certain group the joke is never on them - it is usually about the ludicrousness of some other social aspect. " | |||
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"Obviously, if it's a stand-alone joke, tweet etc, I understand people's discomfort. " The "joke" was that the holocaust wasn't so bad, as a certain number of a particular people group were killed. | |||
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"Ok, let me pose this a different way What subjects are no longer considered fair game for comedians and why? What can't they get away with anymore? Think back to the working men's clubs of the 60's and 70's - comedy had changed with times just like society If a group of people tell you that a "joke" about a significant event in their history hurt their community, that should be the end of the discussion - we do not have their lived experience but we should have empathy and the good grace to just know from a moral stand point what is right and wrong." Art, cinema and comedy shouldn't be bounded by anything. In all these cases, if you don't like it, you don't watch it. If we are going go worry about people getting emotionally hurt, the next we see will be a bunch of religious people claiming that any jokes about religion hurts them too. It's hard to draw a line. It took a lot of hard work and sacrifice by classic liberals to get freedom of speech. I hope modern liberals don't mess it up. | |||
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"Generally, people fail to see the actual joke.... If there is a joke about a certain group the joke is never on them - it is usually about the ludicrousness of some other social aspect." I would actually disagree. I think people like Ricky Gervais and Sarah Silverman do that well. Carr does not manage it, IMO and certainly did not with this joke. | |||
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"Obviously, if it's a stand-alone joke, tweet etc, I understand people's discomfort. The "joke" was that the holocaust wasn't so bad, as a certain number of a particular people group were killed. " The joke was in seeing someone pretend to be racist in a knowing way. It's a nod and a wink and the audience laugh at the taboo being broken. If you wanna hear a bad gypsy joke here you go If being sexually assaulted by a gypsy don't scream....they'll only go faster | |||
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"Ok, let me pose this a different way What subjects are no longer considered fair game for comedians and why? What can't they get away with anymore? Think back to the working men's clubs of the 60's and 70's - comedy had changed with times just like society If a group of people tell you that a "joke" about a significant event in their history hurt their community, that should be the end of the discussion - we do not have their lived experience but we should have empathy and the good grace to just know from a moral stand point what is right and wrong." ............................ Post of the month! | |||
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"If you find Jimmy Carr offensive for goodness sake don't go to a Jerry Sadowitz show.. " People who find Jimmy Carr offensive just don't have to go to Jimmy Carr show. Not sure why it's so hard to understand | |||
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"Ok, let me pose this a different way What subjects are no longer considered fair game for comedians and why? What can't they get away with anymore? Think back to the working men's clubs of the 60's and 70's - comedy had changed with times just like society If a group of people tell you that a "joke" about a significant event in their history hurt their community, that should be the end of the discussion - we do not have their lived experience but we should have empathy and the good grace to just know from a moral stand point what is right and wrong. Art, cinema and comedy shouldn't be bounded by anything. In all these cases, if you don't like it, you don't watch it. If we are going go worry about people getting emotionally hurt, the next we see will be a bunch of religious people claiming that any jokes about religion hurts them too. It's hard to draw a line. It took a lot of hard work and sacrifice by classic liberals to get freedom of speech. I hope modern liberals don't mess it up." ......................... Nobody's suggested comedy etc should be bounded by anything, but equally the response to what some regard as a bad joke shouldn't be bounded either, I hope liberals and everyone else aren't emotionally hurt by that either! | |||
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"Ok, let me pose this a different way What subjects are no longer considered fair game for comedians and why? What can't they get away with anymore? Think back to the working men's clubs of the 60's and 70's - comedy had changed with times just like society If a group of people tell you that a "joke" about a significant event in their history hurt their community, that should be the end of the discussion - we do not have their lived experience but we should have empathy and the good grace to just know from a moral stand point what is right and wrong." Any Roma in tonight? Let’s hear from them. (I can’t tell from anyone’s profile who is and I haven’t looked either). | |||
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"If you find Jimmy Carr offensive for goodness sake don't go to a Jerry Sadowitz show.. People who find Jimmy Carr offensive just don't have to go to Jimmy Carr show. Not sure why it's so hard to understand "I don't find Jimmy Carr offensive at all - I find what he said offensive - entirely different | |||
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"If you find Jimmy Carr offensive for goodness sake don't go to a Jerry Sadowitz show.. People who find Jimmy Carr offensive just don't have to go to Jimmy Carr show. Not sure why it's so hard to understand "............................ The content of his show has entered the public domain, so presumably will be commented on by his fans and those who aren't. | |||
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"Ok, let me pose this a different way What subjects are no longer considered fair game for comedians and why? What can't they get away with anymore? Think back to the working men's clubs of the 60's and 70's - comedy had changed with times just like society If a group of people tell you that a "joke" about a significant event in their history hurt their community, that should be the end of the discussion - we do not have their lived experience but we should have empathy and the good grace to just know from a moral stand point what is right and wrong. Art, cinema and comedy shouldn't be bounded by anything. In all these cases, if you don't like it, you don't watch it. If we are going go worry about people getting emotionally hurt, the next we see will be a bunch of religious people claiming that any jokes about religion hurts them too. It's hard to draw a line. It took a lot of hard work and sacrifice by classic liberals to get freedom of speech. I hope modern liberals don't mess it up. ......................... Nobody's suggested comedy etc should be bounded by anything, but equally the response to what some regard as a bad joke shouldn't be bounded either, I hope liberals and everyone else aren't emotionally hurt by that either!" No one should dictate others on what someone's comedy taste should be. In case you don't know, there are many people who laugh and joke about their own tragedies. That's the reason why the principle of "If you don't like it, don't watch it" works exceptionally well here. | |||
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"The joke was in seeing someone pretend to be racist in a knowing way. It's a nod and a wink and the audience laugh at the taboo being broken." I guess there's a thin line between being racist and pretending to be so. I'm not sure how you or I know which one it was. And perhaps the audience laughed because they were racists who laugh at and tell racist jokes. It was lazy comedy directed at a still marginalised and attacked community. | |||
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