FabSwingers.com forum: Calling a trans person "convincing"

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Please don't

At least if you like that person, 'cause it's probably a deal breaker for them. At least in my case a) I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, this is who I am 24/7, when I jump out of bed, when I go to the gym; and b) it kinda often comes with the implication that trans people that pass as cis are somehow better or supirior, which is very much not the case.

Keep fab

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate that term!! Wtf is convincing? Am I a convincing woman or do I look like something else?

Not just for trans people, also cross dressers and other people types too.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hugs op I hate the term as well I am who I am people can see by my pics make up they own mind if I am for them or not xxx

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I've just had a long conversation with my mum who has recently been in the same ward as a trans woman. I was able to answer a lot of her questions mostly from what I've learned on fab but it became very clear that there's a lot of misunderstanding among people.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry if someone upset you.

Why do people think you need to convince them on who you Are?

Why do they even think they have the right to comment like that

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aulaxd2020TV/TS
over a year ago

dudley

Calling a trans woman convincing is implying that person is a man but looks good as woman, It’s actually ment as a complement from the person saying it, A trans woman should be treated as tho they were a cis woman..... the best complement would be to say that “you look amazing”

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Please don't

Keep fab

I don’t understand this at all.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

It's sad to me there's so much pressure for trans women to be hyper feminine. There's so much variation in how cis women present. We can have short hair, wear suits and have hairy armpits and still be a woman but trans women aren't afforded the same by some people and its wrong.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"It's sad to me there's so much pressure for trans women to be hyper feminine. There's so much variation in how cis women present. We can have short hair, wear suits and have hairy armpits and still be a woman but trans women aren't afforded the same by some people and its wrong. "

Afforded? By whom?

I couldn’t care less what they choose to dress like.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Afforded? By whom?

I couldn’t care less what they choose to dress like."

You aren't everyone are you

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Afforded? By whom?

I couldn’t care less what they choose to dress like.

You aren't everyone are you

Who is? We’re all individuals..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You sometimes see trans women refer to themselves as 'convincing'

I think it's sad

It is like gay guys classing themselves as 'straight acting'

Don't justify, just be

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

There's a lot of language used about and sometimes by trans people that is redirected homophobia and misogyny. "Convincing" and "passing" are very much the latter.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 06/02/22 20:05:03]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please don't

Keep fab

Wow, I could perv over your pics all day

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ixi n DogCouple
over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

Afforded? By whom?

I couldn’t care less what they choose to dress like.

You aren't everyone are you

Who is? We’re all individuals.."

"I'm not.."

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Please don't

Keep fab

Wow, I could perv over your pics all day"

Teheee

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"There's a lot of language used about and sometimes by trans people that is redirected homophobia and misogyny. "Convincing" and "passing" are very much the latter."

I recently watched a film called "Passing" about mixed race African American trying to pass as white in an extremely racist 1920's New York. Very interesting the parallels to trans women's experience. Hopefully in future we can look back (like we can race) and think wow, things have gotten so much easier ...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's a lot of language used about and sometimes by trans people that is redirected homophobia and misogyny. "Convincing" and "passing" are very much the latter.

I think we should already!! We strive for equality amongst everyone yet there are still some suffering which in today’s day and age should not be the case!!

I do hope it changes soon

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"There's a lot of language used about and sometimes by trans people that is redirected homophobia and misogyny. "Convincing" and "passing" are very much the latter.

In no way comparable. Men who want to be women never had a history of brutal Slav ery.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"In no way comparable. Men who want to be women never had a history of brutal Slav ery."

Who mentioned slav ery? We are discussing "passing". Black people are more than just about sla very ?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"In no way comparable. Men who want to be women never had a history of brutal Slav ery.

Who mentioned slav ery? We are discussing "passing". Black people are more than just about sla very ?"

Stick to the point. Trans don’t have the same sad history of African Americans.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Stick to the point. Trans don’t have the same sad history of African Americans."

And I am saying we are not discussing sla very because black people are defined by more than that.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"Stick to the point. Trans don’t have the same sad history of African Americans.

And I am saying we are not discussing sla very because black people are defined by more than that."

And I am saying a Black persons racism cannot be compared to a man’s struggle with sexuality. Hello

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare"

Haha I think he is just an argumentative person who can't hear past his own opinions...

Otherwise an excellent tread OP...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's a lot of language used about and sometimes by trans people that is redirected homophobia and misogyny. "Convincing" and "passing" are very much the latter.

In no way comparable. Men who want to be women never had a history of brutal Slav ery."

Byron, that's a disappointing statement

Trans are not men who want to be women

To think that is just naive - and insulting

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've only ever been me and I'm uncomfortable when people ask if I'm convincing. I dislike it. I can only be me and think that mindset is something that can make others fearful of being themselves in public.

There's no hierarchy. Everyone is equal.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare"

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Byron, that's a disappointing statement

Trans are not men who want to be women

To think that is just naive - and insulting"

I think you're right there.

It's simple isn't it... If you're not very bright and want to sound clever then if you read

"Black" = Sla very

"Jews" = Holocaust

"Islam" = Terrorist

"German" = Nazis...

Etc. No matter what the context is...

(Whisper)... No point arguing ... If we ignore him, he might find some other trigger word to argue with (totally out of context!).

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *quirtyndirty!Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Please don't

Keep fab

Wow, I could perv over your pics all day

Teheee"

Fabulous bottom, wowser lips too!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up. "

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend."

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ersey GirlCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I've never ever thought that expression as offensive. To me it's someone's preference on who they want to have sex with. They want to have sex with someone who has a female appearance. I'm struggling to see the offence in that

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative."
do many run for office just going on where I'm from I can't ever remember a TS running for election.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative.do many run for office just going on where I'm from I can't ever remember a TS running for election. "

And why do you think none run for election?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"I've never ever thought that expression as offensive. To me it's someone's preference on who they want to have sex with. They want to have sex with someone who has a female appearance. I'm struggling to see the offence in that

Its because they aren't trying to be convincing, they are just trying to be.

A lot of this all falls back on trans vs crossdresser. They are not the same thing. There is a big difference.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How would you feel if someone told you "oh wow, you look very feminine!"

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"do many run for office just going on where I'm from I can't ever remember a TS running for election.

And why do you think none run for election?"

Quite! The only British candidate I know (and have campaign alongside) is Helen Belcher who is Lib Dem. But as you may know, Poland has Anna Grodzka and quite a few successful trans politician in Thailand.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And why do you think none run for election?"
here in Ireland I haven't seen any running for election I can't say for the UK

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative."

You can't just give someone a job or position because they're part of a minority, you should only get said position if you're the best person for it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative.

You can't just give someone a job or position because they're part of a minority, you should only get said position if you're the best person for it. "

1) you have shown yourself to be a vocal transohobe in other threads, we don't want you here

2) of course you want the best person for the job. Why do you think that proportionally trans people have less representation than other groups? Are we inherently stupid? Or are we disadvantaged?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And why do you think none run for election?"

Maybe they're just not very good politicians?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative.

You can't just give someone a job or position because they're part of a minority, you should only get said position if you're the best person for it. "

While I agree... That doesn't always happen. Case in point being a good few political leaders certainly may not be the best person for the job, just that they are what we were presented with.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And why do you think none run for election?

Maybe they're just not very good politicians?"

Would you say this about women in general or about black people? Because they also have less proportional representatiin.

You are a troll and you can barely hide it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

This is why I find the whole genitalia issue/argument so strange.

If someone passes me in the street and appears to me be either male or female - or tells me that they are a man or a woman - I don't immediately demand they present their genitals to me in order to prove it - if that's how they are either presenting themselves or identifying then that's good enough for me.

What's the issue here?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them."

This is just a really offensive remark.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative.

You can't just give someone a job or position because they're part of a minority, you should only get said position if you're the best person for it.

1) you have shown yourself to be a vocal transohobe in other threads, we don't want you here

2) of course you want the best person for the job. Why do you think that proportionally trans people have less representation than other groups? Are we inherently stupid? Or are we disadvantaged?"

As I've already told you, I'm not transphobia, I've had friends date trans people and I've had a great time in their company and hopefully will again in the future.

By saying I'm transphobia is clearly an attempt to smear me, I don't like it, please stop.

It's a public forum and everyone has the right to post, I thought it was a good discussion and I wanted to contribute.

I have no idea if trans people are stupid, I've only met a few and they could all hold an intelligent conversation, until research is done worldwide I'm not sure we'll ever know the answer to your question.

As for being disadvantaged, I'm disadvantaged. I grew up in a council estate in the north of Glasgow with only one parent. I got little or no support growing up and left school with very few qualifications.

I don't complain about it, I just get on with it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark. "

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And why do you think none run for election?

Maybe they're just not very good politicians?

Would you say this about women in general or about black people? Because they also have less proportional representatiin.

You are a troll and you can barely hide it."

Yes I would. Some people are good politicians, some people are good at football, some people are good musically and some people are good artist etc etc.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dude

1) trans women are not men, we are women

2) check out any statistic, trans women are at the bottom of everything, bottom of pay, poverty, discrimination, housing, healthcare

In this country? That’s untrue. Trans women face enough struggles without having to make things up.

Not as much in this country, but it's a worldwide trend.

And in any case: we are far from having any power whatsoever. With 1% we haven't had a single MP so far. Not that having one woyld solve anything, but it's pretty representative.

You can't just give someone a job or position because they're part of a minority, you should only get said position if you're the best person for it.

While I agree... That doesn't always happen. Case in point being a good few political leaders certainly may not be the best person for the job, just that they are what we were presented with. "

Absolutely and most if not all are liars and corrupt.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Right, a misogynist, racist and transphobe. Makes sense.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights. "

Either you're purposefully being obtuse or (as I suspect) you're trolling. A trans woman has started a thread explaining why referring to her as convincing is so abhorrent. And here you deliberately using the word. Nothing to do with Amsterdam.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right, a misogynist, racist and transphobe. Makes sense."

So I hate women, I'm transphobic and a racist?

There's not many people left for me to talk to.

You know nothing about me, I have friends from many countries, many skin colours and many religions. I spend quite a bit of my time helping Muslim refugees in Glasgow.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place."

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it. "

Oh, ok I've got you now. I'm not allowed to say the word convincing. It's only an adjective after all. Is it ok to use the word credible or believable? It's getting so difficult these days to do anything without upsetting someone.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either."

You are definitely not a very convincing man.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either."

You don't need to use any adjectives to describe trans, that's kinda the threads point

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People can use whatever term or words they like ffs

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

You are definitely not a very convincing man."

Well I have all the plumbing so that makes me a man, and my lady friends seem convinced enough.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs"

Ofc, I can use wjatever words I have to describe you too, I'm just saying that if they want to sleep with me they better don't 'cause it's an instant turn off.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

You are definitely not a very convincing man.

Well I have all the plumbing so that makes me a man, and my lady friends seem convinced enough."

I don't know mate, you don't convince me, you are not really a man.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs"

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

Can't we all just get along

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

You don't need to use any adjectives to describe trans, that's kinda the threads point"

Well, can you say attractive? I think the OP has attractive boobs, is that ok?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs

Ofc, I can use wjatever words I have to describe you too, I'm just saying that if they want to sleep with me they better don't 'cause it's an instant turn off."
and I'm sure you do, so you shouldn't expect others to comply if you don't

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on."
it's freedom if speech I'm sure

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally. I love femininity and always been like that since childhood, it’s just me. But I agree that sometimes my femininity is like hyper femininity cos my brain rejects anything that is even remotely masculine (in myself) x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs"

Down with that sort of thing (waves fist).

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on."
so you are having a go at me because I wrote that

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either."

The thread title and the OP is about that word and another trans woman has also said how she finds it upsetting. It does seem that you are deliberately goading them now.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs

Ofc, I can use wjatever words I have to describe you too, I'm just saying that if they want to sleep with me they better don't 'cause it's an instant turn off."

Ah ok. Now you've put it into context I totally understand where you're coming from. I can imagine a scenario in a bar were a guy says that to you and I can understand why you would be upset.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Damn I've run out of popcorn

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

The thread title and the OP is about that word and another trans woman has also said how she finds it upsetting. It does seem that you are deliberately goading them now. "

I'm goading no one. I've paid at least 2 compliments to the OP, I've been perfectly civil out of respect.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

You don't need to use any adjectives to describe trans, that's kinda the threads point

Well, can you say attractive? I think the OP has attractive boobs, is that ok?"

'Attractive' is positive

You can say that without using any other terms that suggest the woman isn't (really) what she is

'Convincing' , 'credible' and 'believable' in the context of this thread are demeaning

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can use whatever term or words they like ffs

"
why do you continue to follow ALL my comments when you've blocked me? It's a bit creepy

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

"
pull up a pew kat .

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is laughable

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

Still time to nip out and get some more.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

pull up a pew kat .

Slides along! I'm just reading this thread tonight, nowt else lol x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

pull up a pew kat .

Slides along! I'm just reading this thread tonight, nowt else lol x"

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

You don't need to use any adjectives to describe trans, that's kinda the threads point

Well, can you say attractive? I think the OP has attractive boobs, is that ok?

'Attractive' is positive

You can say that without using any other terms that suggest the woman isn't (really) what she is

'Convincing' , 'credible' and 'believable' in the context of this thread are demeaning"

I agree , the term is very outdated as well.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now. "

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 loosers

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

pull up a pew kat .

Slides along! I'm just reading this thread tonight, nowt else lol x

Mind you... Is it just me or has there been an influx of threads like this recently? Pondering...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either."

The thread literally started by asking you not to do something, you still did it repeatedly and when called out on it you say its difficult not to upset people these days? Literally all you had to do was not say the thing you were asked not to say at the very beginning of the thread. What is difficult about that?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

He's just a man Lacey. He's not perfect you know.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 loosers"
because people have their own opinion they are losers ? Can I remind you of the post you made of "cis women" in the Scottish forum?? People didn't agree with you but yet you were adiment it was the correct term

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

pull up a pew kat .

Slides along! I'm just reading this thread tonight, nowt else lol x

Mind you... Is it just me or has there been an influx of threads like this recently? Pondering...

"
too many pity party threads imo

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 loosers"
whats that supposed to mean

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean "

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Damn I've run out of popcorn

pull up a pew kat .

Slides along! I'm just reading this thread tonight, nowt else lol x

Mind you... Is it just me or has there been an influx of threads like this recently? Pondering...

too many pity party threads imo "

Agreed x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post."
I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

I don't think so. The thread wasn't directed at me, I just commented that I had seen some really convincing sex workers in Amsterdam. And when I said convincing that was a compliment to them. Because they were so attractive they could charge double the money, that's a good thing, no?

Equally there's plenty of old fat hags that charge a lot less, it's market forces, supply and demand.

And there's plenty of unattractive trans sex workers who won't be as busy or be able to charge as much.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment. "

I posted that under your comment as an explanation for why we cannot all get along: because they dedicate themselves to group dogpiling on evwry trans related thread. It wasn't a comment against you.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw some really convincing ones in Amsterdam, and believe you me they made a fortune. When the other girls were charging 50 guilder they were charging 100 guilder, and why not, good for them.

This is just a really offensive remark.

Why? Have you ever visited Amsterdam? Prostitution is legal and the sex workers pay taxes and have good rights.

I never said the OP was convincing, I said the sex workers in Amsterdam were, and because they were so attractive they could charge a lot more money.

The OP has nice boobs but then again I like smaller boobs, I don't like my saggy things wobbling all over the place.

You're talking about trans women using the exact same word that she finds so offensive. Stop it.

People need to remember I'm only a man, I'm not perfect either.

He's just a man Lacey. He's not perfect you know.

I'm not, I freely admit it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post."

I've been deliberately avoiding you.

But this thread keeps on popping up as the top thread in The Lounge.

Maybe start your threads with a list of folk who aren't allowed to comment, in addition to your preferred adjectives.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

I posted that under your comment as an explanation for why we cannot all get along: because they dedicate themselves to group dogpiling on evwry trans related thread. It wasn't a comment against you."
no you posted about loosers under my comment thats not on

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment. "

I don't see anything aimed at you personally - I think the OP was trying to explain why people can't get along.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

People will pile on your thread and then declare themselves victims. Classic

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

I posted that under your comment as an explanation for why we cannot all get along: because they dedicate themselves to group dogpiling on evwry trans related thread. It wasn't a comment against you.no you posted about loosers under my comment thats not on "

She was replying to inconceivable.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? "
calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hloetTV/TS
over a year ago

Nottingham

It just comes down to common sense and context. If a trans women is trying to identify as a woman it's a little rude to call her convincing in a public forum. You're basically saying "she's a tranny". If you were on a date with a trans girl and she seemed a bit self conscious it might reassure her if you said she looked convincing.

It always surprises me when people get so easily offended by something that is generally meant to be compliment. You might think its an ignorant thing to say but if you start having a go at someone because you don't like their compliment, that just makes you a stuck up so and so IMO.

I don't get the "they're just trying to be" argument either. Everyone takes some sort of pride in their appearance.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

I don't see anything aimed at you personally - I think the OP was trying to explain why people can't get along. "
bull and you know it. If I put that derogatory comment under one of her posts you and her would be ripping me a new one now so no it was not on to put that comment under mine

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? "

Brilliantly put

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People will pile on your thread and then declare themselves victims. Classic

"
did you deliberately ignore the comment about the cis thread you made ??

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? "

I would think if someone or a group of people were discussing a trans person and said they were convincing then that would be a compliment. It may be straight females or males all in agreement. I don't think it necessarily means you fancy them unless of course there's a little bit of bi in you.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?"

If they're cis yeah.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm no victim and I definitely don't play the victim, just saying x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

I don't see anything aimed at you personally - I think the OP was trying to explain why people can't get along. bull and you know it. If I put that derogatory comment under one of her posts you and her would be ripping me a new one now so no it was not on to put that comment under mine "

Well I guess you can choose to take offense even though she's said it was not meant.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? "

I've seen plenty of trans people refer to themselves as convincing. So, as with a lot of things, any offence taken is purely down to one individual's interpretation of a word and the user's intent. The OP has made it very clear that they don't like the term so anybody wishing to make a good impression should avoid it. But that doesn’t mean every trans person will feel the same.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. "
same goes for convincing then

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her?

So even though three trans women have said it's NOT a compliment and they don't like it - you're still insisting on using the word.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x"

Me too.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It just comes down to common sense and context. If a trans women is trying to identify as a woman it's a little rude to call her convincing in a public forum. You're basically saying "she's a tranny". If you were on a date with a trans girl and she seemed a bit self conscious it might reassure her if you said she looked convincing.

I don't get the "they're just trying to be" argument either. Everyone takes some sort of pride in their appearance.

That's not what the OP is saying. No one has referred to the OP as being anything in the forum. The OP was talking about the possibility in the future of someone, somewhere using the term convincing to describe trans people.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her?

So even though three trans women have said it's NOT a compliment and they don't like it - you're still insisting on using the word. "

Are you really saying that I can't ever use the word convincing again, in any context?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then"

Right because all adjectives are equal? Calling me a brunette is totally equal to someone calling me idiotic?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too."

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. "

But if they don't want to be called cis? Plenty of us said in a previous thread we do not like this term and the OP didn't care. Respect should go two ways no?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

Right because all adjectives are equal? Calling me a brunette is totally equal to someone calling me idiotic? "
of course not , but I'm a woman, I don't need or want letters of the alphabet before it.. you should read the Scottish forum thread where the op INSISTS women are cis , so why should they expect others to change what they think or word things?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

Right because all adjectives are equal? Calling me a brunette is totally equal to someone calling me idiotic? of course not , but I'm a woman, I don't need or want letters of the alphabet before it.. you should read the Scottish forum thread where the op INSISTS women are cis , so why should they expect others to change what they think or word things?"

I don't insist women are cis. Women can be trans or not, and the term for not trans is cis. Simple as.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

You hold him down. I'll give him a Chinese burn.

(Can I say Chinese?)

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

I don't insist women are cis. Women can be trans or not, and the term for not trans is cis. Simple as."

What does cis mean?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

You hold him down. I'll give him a Chinese burn.

(Can I say Chinese?)"

No, it's a non-binary burn of colour these days.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

You hold him down. I'll give him a Chinese burn.

(Can I say Chinese?)"

You can say Chinese and I'll say Indian

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

I don't insist women are cis. Women can be trans or not, and the term for not trans is cis. Simple as."
it's really not simple..or at least you're not making it simple.. as Jen said above, it's about respect being a two way thing

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cis means as they were born.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her?

So even though three trans women have said it's NOT a compliment and they don't like it - you're still insisting on using the word.

Are you really saying that I can't ever use the word convincing again, in any context?"

Are you really going to keep pretending you don't understand?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

Well I guess you can choose to take offense even though she's said it was not meant.

"
if I said it wasn't meant would she say ok and be ok I seriously doubt it and that goes for you too but you can deny it all you want but you know its true

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

You hold him down. I'll give him a Chinese burn.

(Can I say Chinese?)

You can say Chinese and I'll say Indian

(Grasps pearl necklace)

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah.

But if they don't want to be called cis? Plenty of us said in a previous thread we do not like this term and the OP didn't care. Respect should go two ways no? "

Why are you bringing an argument from another thread into this? And it seems as though there is a bit of a dog pile going on.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

You hold him down. I'll give him a Chinese burn.

(Can I say Chinese?)

No, it's a non-binary burn of colour these days."

Cue Miss Muff's response...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't we all just get along

Unfortunately this is people that literally look out for forum posts on trans issues and they always pile on.

I'm sorry I doubted you last time. I can see what's happening now.

Every time, and it's always the same 3-5 looserswhats that supposed to mean

That they follow me around and comment on every trans-related post.I have never made a derogatory comment or called anyone a derogatory name on here yet you post that under my comment.

Well I guess you can choose to take offense even though she's said it was not meant.

if I said it wasn't meant would she say ok and be ok I seriously doubt it and that goes for you too but you can deny it all you want but you know its true "

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been deliberately not saying anything because I personally don't want someone attacking me x

Me too.

"Quick get him...."....we'll force you to say something offensive whether you like it or not!

Something offensive!

You hold him down. I'll give him a Chinese burn.

(Can I say Chinese?)

No, it's a non-binary burn of colour these days."

Oh....you're a dark horse Grayson. You've got potential

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 06/02/22 23:52:46]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Cis means as they were born."

Technically it means "on this side of" in Latin while Trans means "on the other side"

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Cis means as they were born."
no Im a male thats what it says on my birth certificate where is no mention of cis on it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah.

But if they don't want to be called cis? Plenty of us said in a previous thread we do not like this term and the OP didn't care. Respect should go two ways no?

Why are you bringing an argument from another thread into this? And it seems as though there is a bit of a dog pile going on. "

The OP has referred to the response they've had on other threads, alluding to pile ons and victimisation. So a comparison is bring drawn with their behaviour.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born."

No it doesn't. Female means as I was born. Not cis anything. Female. The op doesn't want to be called convincing, I won't call her convincing, I will take that on board and not refer to any ts or TV as convincing. Will she still call me cis? I'm guessing she will

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born.no Im a male thats what it says on my birth certificate where is no mention of cis on it. "

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

I don't insist women are cis. Women can be trans or not, and the term for not trans is cis. Simple as. it's really not simple..or at least you're not making it simple.. as Jen said above, it's about respect being a two way thing

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah.

But if they don't want to be called cis? Plenty of us said in a previous thread we do not like this term and the OP didn't care. Respect should go two ways no?

Why are you bringing an argument from another thread into this? And it seems as though there is a bit of a dog pile going on.

The OP has referred to the response they've had on other threads, alluding to pile ons and victimisation. So a comparison is bring drawn with their behaviour."

How can you have a 1 person pile on?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a relatively new expression according to dictionaries on the web. So it won't be in passports or birth certs.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"Cis means as they were born.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born.

Only if you call me trans. My birth certificate also says female btw.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?"

Please just call me what I am, a woman x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah.

But if they don't want to be called cis? Plenty of us said in a previous thread we do not like this term and the OP didn't care. Respect should go two ways no?

Why are you bringing an argument from another thread into this? And it seems as though there is a bit of a dog pile going on.

The OP has referred to the response they've had on other threads, alluding to pile ons and victimisation. So a comparison is bring drawn with their behaviour.

How can you have a 1 person pile on? "

At a very poorly attended gangbang.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?"

If you call someone a transwoman then I know they're a transwoman.

Just stick to calling us women as has always been the case.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her?

So even though three trans women have said it's NOT a compliment and they don't like it - you're still insisting on using the word.

Are you really saying that I can't ever use the word convincing again, in any context?

Are you really going to keep pretending you don't understand? "

I have not described the OP as convincing, I have no idea what the OP looks like. Maybe the OP looks great maybe not. It doesn't matter to me because I don't want to have sex with the OP so I am never ever going to be in the scenario in which I described the OP as being convincing. The OP finds the term a turn off, so if any potential suitors reading this would like to get intimate with the don't use the word convincing.

The word convincing is not the problem for the OP, using it to describe the OP is a problem.

As others have mentioned in the thread lots of people refer to themselves as convincing when trying to attract potential sexual partners. They see it as a positive in the ability to attract mates.

That's my understanding of the current situation, however that is liable to change.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"It's a relatively new expression according to dictionaries on the web. So it won't be in passports or birth certs."
no im a male its as simple as that no cis and if you call me that word I'll challenge you on it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born.

Convincing in this context is an inherently negative word. Cis isn't.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born.

Convincing in this context is an inherently negative word. Cis isn't. "

In your opinion.

What about the countless transmen and women who do call themselves convincing?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?"

See there's the issue. The OP says calling her convincing is disrespectful and that's fair enough, that's how she feels. But those of us that feel being called cis is disrespectful, we're not suooised to have a voice? I would like to be called a woman. Because that's what I am. And for those saying we are dog piling the OPs threads, it's because she starts thread after thread along the same themes. As is her right. But that doesn't mean everyone must agree with everything she says. Some of us are just willing to speak out, however unfashionable it may be

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok I'm out of here. Admins, this is on you, you are fostering a toxic environment, that is plain to everyone.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"It's a relatively new expression according to dictionaries on the web. So it won't be in passports or birth certs.no im a male its as simple as that no cis and if you call me that word I'll challenge you on it. "

What is wrong with the word cis?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

The prefixes 'cis' and 'trans' come from the field of Chemistry, where they are used to describe molecules that chemically identical in make up, but have a different arrangement of the atoms within. A form of isomerism.

The terms shouldn't have any negative connotation because they refer to things that are the same, but simply with a different layout.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ersey GirlCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

[Removed by poster at 07/02/22 00:04:00]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You already seem to be challenging the word. As for me ? A duel? Conkers? Who can eat the most snickers?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?

You've come onto the thread for ...what, exactly? If you don't like her threads, bypass them. Because otherwise it looks like you and the other ladies from Scotland, have come on here just to start an argument.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?

Why is being called cis disrespectful?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?

Please just call me what I am, a woman x"

Op is also a woman though.

Do you just want people to explicitly say you're not trans?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

What is wrong with the word cis?"
nothing got to do with me but people try to label everything these days and I won't be labelled I'm a male simple as that

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is wrong with the word cis?"
because as said above it's not what I am or on my birth certificate

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?

Excuse me, I haven't!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inda May SimmonsTV/TS
over a year ago

hexham

I haven’t read all through this thread so forgive me (I shall go back and read it)

But do you know?

I really can’t be bothered .. if a guy says something that perhaps is not phrased correctly but he is trying to be nice, I say thank you and am happy to chat ( and who knows, maybe even help him avoid upsetting others like me??)

If the person has said it purely to offend then of course no quarter is given and a different outcome will ensue

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born.

Convincing in this context is an inherently negative word. Cis isn't. "

You’ve said convincing “in this context” is negative but seem to think cis can’t be. What you’re doing is denying anyone else to feel about being called cis in the same way the OP feels about being called convincing.

Seems to me that’s a double standard.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cis means as they were born.

Convincing in this context is an inherently negative word. Cis isn't. "

In your opinion. I feel the term cis is negative, it detracts from my womanhood, it does not need broken down into subsections, I am a woman. That's how I was born. The point being, language and terms are subjective, but the OP only wants her own feelings to be taken into account, nobody else's.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're cis yeah. same goes for convincing then

"Cis" is a benign way of distinguishing people who aren't trans. It's not comparable, and it's not disrespectful.

But out of interest - what do you want to be called instead?

Please just call me what I am, a woman x

Op is also a woman though.

Do you just want people to explicitly say you're not trans?"

I want people to say what they see, that there's a woman in front of them and not imply anything else x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"I haven’t read all through this thread so forgive me (I shall go back and read it)

But do you know?

If the person has said it purely to offend then of course no quarter is given and a different outcome will ensue "

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I haven’t read all through this thread so forgive me (I shall go back and read it)

But do you know?

If the person has said it purely to offend then of course no quarter is given and a different outcome will ensue "

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh no. They're all TERFs.

Why is there a TERF pile-on in the lounge?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The elephant in the room is this…

M2F trans are biologically born males…

The world at large gives no real fucks about males, they are disposable at best, whether that be boys, men or trans females.

So, a large proportion of people won’t really care or try to understand what your position is, because they still see you for what you used to be. A male.

Like it or lump it, transitioning away from maledom will not make people treat you as they would a female.

You’d think that people would be kind and caring and treat you how you’d like to be treated, but that’s just not really how humans dance.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

What is wrong with the word cis? because as said above it's not what I am or on my birth certificate

Ok I see. I won't pry any further. I am cis so I guess it's a simpler issue for me.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it come into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her?

OP just seems angry for the sake of being angry. It's a well known fact you will never convince someone to your point of view by shoving your opinion forcefully down their throat. More likely to polarise opinion and OP certainly seems able to do that.

OP let's see another side of your personality. Have fun. You seem to think everyone is against you

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hloetTV/TS
over a year ago

Nottingham

Fyi there is also nothing wrong with being proud to be trans! The idea that a trans mtf woman has to believe that she is 100% a woman is just Idealist nonsense. There are plenty of rational trans people who are completely aware that they can't change their chromosomes and as a result they will unfortunately never completely become the opposite sex. That doesn't mean we should have the opportunity to use technology to get as close to the opposite sex as we can. It does however mean we are transgender. It sorta follows then that we should be proud of being trans! For someone to then say that you're "convincing" in the right context is hardly that offensive, it could even be taken as a compliment.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ecretlivesCouple
over a year ago

FABWatch HQ

Just a word indeed... for those who think it is just semantics and descend into a free speech spiral.

To Convince someone suggests persuasion, deception, pretence, as if Op's reason for looking like she does is to trick or deceive and be something she is not. However she *is* what she presents as - not for others benefit but simply because that is who she is.

The use of the term directly references the gender status (and the transition) and has nothing to do with complimenting Op

Had me fooled

Ok you've convinced me

Wow I would never have guessed

Fuck you are stunning

Lovely bum

Fancy a drink

If you are still struggling imagine someone saying to a cis individual

Wow your cock/fanny looks convincing.

Would you take it as a compliment?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Convincing sounds like a transphobic way of saying attractive

You either fancy someone or you don’t

Why does it cone into play if your “convinced” of their gender?

Would you tell a woman you fancy that she’s very convincing?

Or would you just say she’s fit and you fancy her? calling someone cis is ok though eh ?

If they're cis yeah.

But if they don't want to be called cis? Plenty of us said in a previous thread we do not like this term and the OP didn't care. Respect should go two ways no? "

Calling someone cisgender is exactly as offensive as calling someone heterosexual, or right handed, or dark haired. It's a statement of fact, not of value.

You are heterosexual, or homosexual, or of some alternate sexuality.

You are right handed, or left handed, or ambidextrous.

You have dark hair, or light hair, or some alternate colour.

None of these categories state anything about moral judgement or character value. They just are.

If you tell me that you are not cisgender, then that statement is semantically identical to saying that you are transgender. These things are opposites. If you are not one, then you are the other.

You may say "you can't call me cisgender, I'm just normal!". But that is then saying that transgender people are abnormal.

It is the identical echo of heterosexual people twenty years ago saying "I'm just normal, homosexuals are abnormal, they're queer".

It is the identical echo of school teachers many years ago shouting at my father that he was writing wrong, that he was abnormal, then caning him on his left hand every time he picked up a pencil with it.

Saying that somebody is cisgender is merely the correct scientific term for someone that is not transgender. The only possible way that this can be offensive is if it is used to tell a transgender person that they are not really transgender. In which case yes, it would be just as offensive as telling a cisgender person that they are transgender.

Cis is merely the latin for "on this side of", trans is the latin for "on the other side of".

Hetero means "things which are unlike", homo means "things which are alike".

Right is the opposite of left. Up is the opposite of down. White is the opposite of black.

The ONLY time it is necessary to say that someone is heterosexual is specifically when it is necessary to make a distinction about sexual attraction. Otherwise we just talk about people, with no need to mention sexuality.

The ONLY time that we need to say that someone is cisgender is specifically when it is necessary to make a distinction about gender. Otherwise we just talk about people, all on the same footing.

Do you get it now?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately