FabSwingers.com forum: E Scooters on borrowed time

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The local chief of police says these scooters will be banned shortly..

Should they ?

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over a year ago

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They are illegal apparently unless part of a town council trial..

Ban these buggers.. they are worse than cyclists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have the place ruined in Reykjavik. Thrown all over the city and people driving them d*unk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tom wants the wheels to come off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ban them. I’ve a warehouse full and I can’t wait for the price to go up so I can hang around school gates with one stuck up my jumper and sell them to 12 year olds for 3 bags of Monster Munch and a Curly Wurly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The tide is turning on cyclists .. believe me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

I'd like them to stop people using their phones while they drive before they get to errant cyclists and scootists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just another anti-cyclist propaganda thread, in disguise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m in Bristol about once a week for work and they are littered all over the place. Bloody menace

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By *aughty but nice...Man
over a year ago

Staffs

I think they should be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Mainly ridden by young turds in hoodies over here with no consideration for anyone else. Hated the idea from the very start and hate them even more now!

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By *WDomMan
over a year ago

Taunton

The only way to legally ride an e-scooter is to rent it by the minute…

Turns out you’re right, they are all on borrowed time.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

What do you mean NEVER?? It was when I was a lad. Riding on the pavement or no lights at night. You shit yourself if you saw a copper. And they were on foot or on a bike.

I once got clipped round the ears by one for giving my mate a lift on the crossbar.

Ahhh the good old days

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No! I think they are the way forward. Particularly in the current energy crisis. Most people do short journeys and their own vehicles are never full.

What I propose is keep the scooters. Tax them for road use. Ban them from the pavement. People have to have a licence and cos this is windy wet Britain ....... put a cover over them AND for the oldies or the d*unks stick a few more wheels on .....

Presto.... what have we got ?

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Here they were a nightmare when the trial first started but now they've gotten stricter with them and you can get your account banned if you don't leave them in the designated areas. I think maybe they should have a visible number like a license plate so it's easy to report people using them recklessly though to be honest, even that's calmed down. I think it's because of the stories people have heard about people getting 6 points on their drivers licence.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

I think they could be a cost efficient..energy efficient ..space efficient mode of individual transportation if managed and controlled effectively

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The local chief of police says these scooters will be banned shortly..

Should they ?"

Local to who?

In you’re next post you say they’re illegal anyway unless in a trial. Something banned is surely already illegal?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

Oh yes it has. My first arrest when I started on the beat as a PC, my own father can you believe. Riding his bike without lights. He said “I wouldn’t have minded but it wasn’t even dark!”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! I think they are the way forward. Particularly in the current energy crisis. Most people do short journeys and their own vehicles are never full.

Presto.... what have we got ?"

An abomination

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

They have been introduced by many cities on a trial basis. Waste of money. All I ever see using them is fit young men / teens. So not a ‘green’ initiative at all. In my local town there were a few lads all dressed in black, hoodies up, little shoulder bag, terrorising pedestrians in the high street, I was nearly taken out twice from behind. They seem to have disappeared so perhaps the Police have dealt with them.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"They have been introduced by many cities on a trial basis. Waste of money. All I ever see using them is fit young men / teens. So not a ‘green’ initiative at all. In my local town there were a few lads all dressed in black, hoodies up, little shoulder bag, terrorising pedestrians in the high street, I was nearly taken out twice from behind. They seem to have disappeared so perhaps the Police have dealt with them."

Some people pay a lot of money to be taken twice from behind. Think yourself fortune

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Some people pay a lot of money to be taken twice from behind. Think yourself fortune

Do you know, I thought exactly that as I typed it.

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By *hilledGuerillaMan
over a year ago

In the monkey house

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

Police forces nation wide will shortly be dipping into the magical box of “extra police officers” to sort it.

Most if not all forces won’t allow a vehicle to pursue an e scooter and a person normally won’t be able to catch someone on one by just running after them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tide is turning on cyclists .. believe me..."

Yep. In their favour. Take a look at the changes to the Highway Code.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

"The tide is turning on cyclists .. believe me...

Yep. In their favour. Take a look at the changes to the Highway Code. "

Yes we're the new kings of the road.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

"The local chief of police says these scooters will be banned shortly..

Should they ?"

They should ban busybodies before banning the banning of everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Environmentally would be a good solution to short journeys and more practical than a bike or electric bike because you can fold it and carry it onto public transport.

Also about 1/3 the price of an electric bike so more accessible and affordable for the masses.

Definitely would benefit from some regulation that the major official suppliers are asking for. Lighting, power and speed restrictions and the ability to use legally where a bicycle is allowed to be used.

The problem with the town and city rental schemes are people don't really care about looking after them or being responsible about the use and parking of them plus some are not very cheap to rent and they don't allow to be used from your home.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Round here they are seized and crushed.

The figure on the local paper a few weeks ago was 80 in the last 6 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Round here they are seized and crushed.

The figure on the local paper a few weeks ago was 80 in the last 6 months. "

Council literally crushing its environmental targets

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"No! I think they are the way forward. Particularly in the current energy crisis. Most people do short journeys and their own vehicles are never full.

Presto.... what have we got ?

An abomination "

No. A car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Round here they are seized and crushed.

The figure on the local paper a few weeks ago was 80 in the last 6 months.

Council literally crushing its environmental targets "

The council aren’t crushing anything.

The police are as it’s not lawful to use them on non private property.

If you want to include them as part of an environmental transport policy it needs to be legislated for just like all other forms of motorised transport.

That should include the users having third party insurance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever.

They're not going away. It's only a matter of time before the legislation is updated.

All the bullshit about insurance is just that, unless cyclists, pedestrians and people in electric mobility scooters are all gonna be expected to have insurance too.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Cars will go first..

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

They aren't a bad idea (in principle), the issue is that because they are unlicensed and uninsured the riders are pretty much unaccountable for their use and actions. There have been plenty of incidents of riders injuring pedestrians, themselves and generally being a nuisance on the road.

The fact that they are capable of approx 19mph (alot more if simply delimited) means that there is plenty of damage to be done to an innocent bystander by an incompetent or feckless rider

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Whatever.

They're not going away. It's only a matter of time before the legislation is updated.

All the bullshit about insurance is just that, unless cyclists, pedestrians and people in electric mobility scooters are all gonna be expected to have insurance too."

I know many cyclists who already do have insurance.

what's wrong with expecting people to be accountable?

I have no issue with e scooters going forward, as long as it is properly legislated, I have a problem with them now because they are currently illegal.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Whatever.

They're not going away. It's only a matter of time before the legislation is updated.

All the bullshit about insurance is just that, unless cyclists, pedestrians and people in electric mobility scooters are all gonna be expected to have insurance too."

You have to have insurance for your 8mph mobility scooter. There's specialist providers of such insurance, same providers insure manual wheelchairs and adapted cars and suchlike.

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By *andi_CDTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"The local chief of police says these scooters will be banned shortly..

Should they ?"

absolutely

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Round here they are seized and crushed.

The figure on the local paper a few weeks ago was 80 in the last 6 months. "

80 in the last six months..

That's tena month ...

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

Deliveroo Riders are terrible for this.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Either licence these machines or ban them..

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By *izzy.miss.lizzyCouple
over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

"The local chief of police says these scooters will be banned shortly..

Should they ?"

hope they ban them here!

The locals with them ride them so dangerously weaving in and out of the traffic without looking... zooming down hill across give ways without stopping,

and many leave them lying on their sides right in the doorways of shops making access difficult and dangerous.

I've also seen them burst into flames.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever.

They're not going away. It's only a matter of time before the legislation is updated.

All the bullshit about insurance is just that, unless cyclists, pedestrians and people in electric mobility scooters are all gonna be expected to have insurance too.

You have to have insurance for your 8mph mobility scooter. There's specialist providers of such insurance, same providers insure manual wheelchairs and adapted cars and suchlike. "

The govt disagrees:

https://www.gov.uk/mobility-scooters-and-powered-wheelchairs-rules/vehicle-tax-registration-and-insurance

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Whatever.

They're not going away. It's only a matter of time before the legislation is updated.

All the bullshit about insurance is just that, unless cyclists, pedestrians and people in electric mobility scooters are all gonna be expected to have insurance too.

You have to have insurance for your 8mph mobility scooter. There's specialist providers of such insurance, same providers insure manual wheelchairs and adapted cars and suchlike.

The govt disagrees:

https://www.gov.uk/mobility-scooters-and-powered-wheelchairs-rules/vehicle-tax-registration-and-insurance

I was under the impression that for Class III invalid carriages (aka scooters that can do 8mph) AND you want to drive them on the road, you were supposed to insure them. However yes, the link says it's "recommended."

I only operate a Class I invalid carriage. 100% shoulder powdered but can get way more than 8mph out of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was under the impression that for Class III invalid carriages (aka scooters that can do 8mph) AND you want to drive them on the road, you were supposed to insure them. However yes, the link says it's "recommended."

I only operate a Class I invalid carriage. 100% shoulder powdered but can get way more than 8mph out of it

Good to have a speed boost

My youngest is looking at ebikes with a throttle. They're illegal too

It's all tosh. If there police don't have time to check people aren't using their phones whether operating a ton of metal they've better things to need doing than confiscating kid's scooters and bikes.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I only operate a Class I invalid carriage. 100% shoulder powdered but can get way more than 8mph out of it

Good to have a speed boost

My youngest is looking at ebikes with a throttle. They're illegal too

Apparently, I should be pulled over for doing more than 4mph in my Class I carriage. I dare a Police-person to catch me

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

If they are registered, have insurance, you can use them on the roads.

I have seen the odd forum poster, mentioning theirs are legal. I can't see the average twit, getting theirs registered and insured.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

Your joking aren't you!? They haven't enough cops to deal with crime, let alone enforce petty traffic offences.

Totally agree though that these need banning, as it appears that only idiots can use them.

Or fix their speed to the average walking pace for those that are too idle to walk anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tide is turning on cyclists .. believe me..."

In what way?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"The local chief of police says these scooters will be banned shortly..

Should they ?"

Local to where?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have a citywide rental scheme in Bristol, and there are similar in other cities, so I don’t their demise is imminent…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly people use weped scooter in Japan and the people love them. To many people think they have the right to tell people what they can and can't do, while doing as they please. Cars kill people everyday in so many different way. Show me how many died on scooters in comparison. No legal that's what I say.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm undecided. They are currently a problem in some areas and need to be better developed, regulated, used etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm undecided. They are currently a problem in some areas and need to be better developed, regulated, used etc"

Exactly, don't ban them though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tide is turning on cyclists .. believe me..."

Guess you've not seen the new Highway Code then.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

"Or fix their speed to the average walking pace for those that are too idle to walk anywhere.

Given how easy it is to derestrict an ebike, that’s not going to fly.

But the penalties are really harsh if you get caught, so that would seem to be the way?

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

So many times I've nearly been knocked over by one.

A serious question regarding licensing, why is it when anyone suggests things like bikes or escooters should be licensed why do so many people jump on their high horse and moan about it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many times I've nearly been knocked over by one.

A serious question regarding licensing, why is it when anyone suggests things like bikes or escooters should be licensed why do so many people jump on their high horse and moan about it?"

Because horses aren't licensed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have been on all London transport.

You can't get on a bus or tube carrying one.

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By *oonshadowWoman
over a year ago

COVENTRY

Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!"

Completely agree

Right after they do the same to those not responsible enough to drive a ton of metal about.

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

Completely agree

Right after they do the same to those not responsible enough to drive a ton of metal about."

They do when they have their license revoked, it's hard to stop people doing something when there's no way to reprimand them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They do when they have their license revoked, it's hard to stop people doing something when there's no way to reprimand them. "

Sure they do

All I ever see are impeccable drivers on the roads.

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"So many times I've nearly been knocked over by one.

A serious question regarding licensing, why is it when anyone suggests things like bikes or escooters should be licensed why do so many people jump on their high horse and moan about it?

Because horses aren't licensed."

Nice to see the serious question got the answer I was expecting.

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"They do when they have their license revoked, it's hard to stop people doing something when there's no way to reprimand them.

Sure they do

All I ever see are impeccable drivers on the roads."

Probably as many as the impeccable cyclists and escooter riders I see on the streets of London who regularly go through red lights and go on pavements usually at speeds that'll seriously hurt a pedestrian, but that's ok because they are all responsible because they are not in a car right?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!"

No pavement is safe if me and my Class I invalid carriage are about

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

No pavement is safe if me and my Class I invalid carriage are about

Bloody 8mph vehicles, menace to society. Lol

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

Completely agree

Right after they do the same to those not responsible enough to drive a ton of metal about.

They do when they have their license revoked, it's hard to stop people doing something when there's no way to reprimand them. "

Funny you should say that.. To ride an e-scooter you need a driving license, insurance and tax as they are classed as motor vehicles.

The reason private e-scooter are illegal on the roads is because you can't get insurance for them but hired / trialed e-scooters are taxed and insured.

Breaking the rules in the highway code carry the same points on your license too, in theory you can get a ban.

Where is that police officer when you need one, hey?

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

Completely agree

Right after they do the same to those not responsible enough to drive a ton of metal about.

They do when they have their license revoked, it's hard to stop people doing something when there's no way to reprimand them.

Funny you should say that.. To ride an e-scooter you need a driving license, insurance and tax as they are classed as motor vehicles.

The reason private e-scooter are illegal on the roads is because you can't get insurance for them but hired / trialed e-scooters are taxed and insured.

Breaking the rules in the highway code carry the same points on your license too, in theory you can get a ban.

Where is that police officer when you need one, hey? "

The single braincelled ones I usually see are in 2 of the roughest areas in West London Shepherds bush and Wembley so it's no surprising there's very few Police around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Driving home from work yesterday no word of a lie some plank was bombing down the pathway on one of these and ended up hiting somthing on the path sending him arse over tit through the air...many of a giggles at he's misfortune was had.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

OP do any of your wishes come true?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

No pavement is safe if me and my Class I invalid carriage are about

Bloody 8mph vehicles, menace to society. Lol"

Max for a Class I is 4mph. Look at what a Class I consists of

I definitely do a lot more than 4mph without even trying

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Its proven that some people aren't responsible enough to have e-scooters. It's about time the pavements were made safe again. Time to get yourself a bus pass or ....Get some exercise!

Completely agree

Right after they do the same to those not responsible enough to drive a ton of metal about.

They do when they have their license revoked, it's hard to stop people doing something when there's no way to reprimand them.

Funny you should say that.. To ride an e-scooter you need a driving license, insurance and tax as they are classed as motor vehicles.

The reason private e-scooter are illegal on the roads is because you can't get insurance for them but hired / trialed e-scooters are taxed and insured.

Breaking the rules in the highway code carry the same points on your license too, in theory you can get a ban.

Where is that police officer when you need one, hey?

The single braincelled ones I usually see are in 2 of the roughest areas in West London Shepherds bush and Wembley so it's no surprising there's very few Police around. "

unfortunately it is not illegal to buy an e-scooter, I say unfortunately because I can't think of a single reason a person would want to buy one of these if they can't use them outside of the home legally.

It begs the question, why is it legal to buy one if they can't be used outdoors in public places and roads.

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By *utcock61Man
over a year ago

glasgow

we have two kids in our avenue who fly down the hill on them,only a matter of time fore they are another statistic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many times I've nearly been knocked over by one.

A serious question regarding licensing, why is it when anyone suggests things like bikes or escooters should be licensed why do so many people jump on their high horse and moan about it?

Because horses aren't licensed.

Nice to see the serious question got the answer I was expecting. "

It seems you've accidentally mounted a high horse

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"So many times I've nearly been knocked over by one.

A serious question regarding licensing, why is it when anyone suggests things like bikes or escooters should be licensed why do so many people jump on their high horse and moan about it?

Because horses aren't licensed.

Nice to see the serious question got the answer I was expecting.

It seems you've accidentally mounted a high horse

I believe the term is don't feed the troll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many times I've nearly been knocked over by one.

A serious question regarding licensing, why is it when anyone suggests things like bikes or escooters should be licensed why do so many people jump on their high horse and moan about it?

Because horses aren't licensed.

Nice to see the serious question got the answer I was expecting.

It seems you've accidentally mounted a high horse

I believe the term is don't feed the troll. "

Not if what you're feeding them is shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More realistic to say petrol / diesel cars are on borrowed time now

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

No x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tom wants the wheels to come off."

He’s on the door side of the debate, it’s all part of his plan.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I was in a corner shop today and someone walked in as bold as brass, doing his shopping,one hand on his shopping and one on his scooter..

Incredible..

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

The French have the right idea and banned them in Paris.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"How about the police chief instruct his officers to do thier job and stop escooter riders.

Escooters are illegal on pavements and roads in the UK. But so is riding a cycle on the road without lights, and that has NEVER been properly policed."

illegal to ride a bicycle on a footpath too,never policed.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The police are under resourced, otherwise I'd love them to be confiscating those ridden on public land. Clearly very dangerous, they are a symptom of 13 years of government making much of UK life catastrophically bad.

The ones here are much too fast and driven unsafely and with danger as the goal

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"The police are under resourced, otherwise I'd love them to be confiscating those ridden on public land. Clearly very dangerous, they are a symptom of 13 years of government making much of UK life catastrophically bad.

The ones here are much too fast and driven unsafely and with danger as the goal

Cycling wasn't policed properly under the previous Labour government either,scooters wouldn't be Policed better under Labour now.Its **** all to do with recourses and everything to do with senior management telling the rank and file what to concentrate on and prioritize.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Labour .. say no more

Corbyn has lots to answer for

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