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"I don’t think people learn about or are aware of history because of street names. " Dunno actually. As a child, I was always very interested in why certain areas had street names all linked e.g. names of Queen Victoria's children or WW1 generals. It inspired me to research about where the names came from or who they referred to. | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... " Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal  | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal "I think most people just live in the street.. no matter what it's called | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal "Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history  | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... " Edinburgh is thinking of doing the same | |||
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Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history "From what I've read... Not exactly, a small number of street names have been returned to their previous names after a Far Right political group petitioned the courts stating the the people named didn't play an direct role in Franco's 1936 coup. | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
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Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
From what I've read...
Not exactly, a small number of street names have been returned to their previous names after a Far Right political group petitioned the courts stating the the people named didn't play an direct role in Franco's 1936 coup."I didn't say ALL streets. The ones directly named after Franco and his fellow coup carry-outers have, to my knowledge, all been renamed. Others of lesser characters may remain. Incidentally, Spanish councils have often removed names of leaders of the very left leaning Republican leaders that preceded Franco. It's not only the nationalist names that have been replaced. The point is, the fact that plazas and calles have been renamed has not changed the fact that people still know the history. | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
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Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
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Not exactly, a small number of street names have been returned to their previous names after a Far Right political group petitioned the courts stating the the people named didn't play an direct role in Franco's 1936 coup.
I didn't say ALL streets. The ones directly named after Franco and his fellow coup carry-outers have, to my knowledge, all been renamed. Others of lesser characters may remain. Incidentally, Spanish councils have often removed names of leaders of the very left leaning Republican leaders that preceded Franco. It's not only the nationalist names that have been replaced.
The point is, the fact that plazas and calles have been renamed has not changed the fact that people still know the history. "When I lived in Spain, Franco's hometown of Ferrol in Galicia still had a statue in the centre. Periodically it would be targeted by subversive types with graffiti, explosives etc. | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
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Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
From what I've read...
Not exactly, a small number of street names have been returned to their previous names after a Far Right political group petitioned the courts stating the the people named didn't play an direct role in Franco's 1936 coup.
I didn't say ALL streets. The ones directly named after Franco and his fellow coup carry-outers have, to my knowledge, all been renamed. Others of lesser characters may remain. Incidentally, Spanish councils have often removed names of leaders of the very left leaning Republican leaders that preceded Franco. It's not only the nationalist names that have been replaced.
The point is, the fact that plazas and calles have been renamed has not changed the fact that people still know the history.
When I lived in Spain, Franco's hometown of Ferrol in Galicia still had a statue in the centre. Periodically it would be targeted by subversive types with graffiti, explosives etc.
"Apparently the last statue of Franco on mainland Spain was removed in 2008: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/18/franco-statue-spain So, presumably, Ferrol no longer has one. But the town still knows the history. The last statue of him on any Spanish soil was removed recently, from Melilla: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56177819 | |||
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Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history "What about all those that live up Franco’s back ally? | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
What about all those that live up Franco’s back ally? "Franco was very anti that sort of thing  | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
What about all those that live up Franco’s back ally?
Franco was very anti that sort of thing "Probably talking about different Franco’s ?! | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
What about all those that live up Franco’s back ally?
Franco was very anti that sort of thing
Probably talking about different Franco’s ?! "Generalísimo Francisco Franco? Nationalist dictator of España 1939-1975? | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal
Indeed, Spain has renamed streets and squares named after General Franco and his pals. Yet, everyone seems aware of the history
What about all those that live up Franco’s back ally?
Franco was very anti that sort of thing
Probably talking about different Franco’s ?!
Generalísimo Francisco Franco? Nationalist dictator of España 1939-1975? "No! Franco from Home Bargains in Cross Gates | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over  "Good. The arseholes have had their turn. | |||
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... " The thread title could have been a bit more thoughtful. No, history can't be erased. | |||
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"I don’t think people learn about or are aware of history because of street names. Dunno actually. As a child, I was always very interested in why certain areas had street names all linked e.g. names of Queen Victoria's children or WW1 generals. It inspired me to research about where the names came from or who they referred to. " I find that interesting as well. | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho" Not at all, we love searching for historical references - especially medieval ones - in street names. | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho Not at all, we love searching for historical references - especially medieval ones - in street names. " See Jim's pic of "Grope Lane" for such street names 
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"I don’t think people learn about or are aware of history because of street names. " Exactly this. I only learnt recently that loads of Liverpool Streets are names after sl*ve owners and it feels a bit embarrassing not to have known but I certainly wasn't alone. | |||
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"Changing street names don’t change the fact barbarism imperialism and sla ve ry is what the GREAT in Great Britain is all about I say learn from the past mistakes and let it be a reminder of what terrible suffering was imposed forced upon the s…….ves and educate folk that this form of human trafficking and suffering is not to happen again As for Racism … hmmm there is no need and there is NO place in our society … Coffee anyone ! " Actually the Great was added after Scotland joined the union in 1707... | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn."Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced... | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho" Eee your weird | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho Not at all, we love searching for historical references - especially medieval ones - in street names. See Jim's pic of "Grope Lane" for such street names
Off to remind myself why "Whop-ma-whip-ma-gate" in York is so-called..."Whip me whop me, the gate bit is norse pronounced 'garta' meaning street or road | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced..."You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it. | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho Not at all, we love searching for historical references - especially medieval ones - in street names. See Jim's pic of "Grope Lane" for such street names
Off to remind myself why "Whop-ma-whip-ma-gate" in York is so-called...
Whip me whop me, the gate bit is norse pronounced 'garta' meaning street or road"Yes, the "gate" bit is obvious. But the rest? "Neither one thing nor the other" is what the consensus seems to be, but what an odd name for a street in any era, no? Viking street names usually make sense | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced..."All evidence points to the fact this isn’t true. If someone uses the term ‘snowflake’ in earnest, it is a foolproof method for identifying them as a deeply unpleasant person. | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it."Sounds rational and well balanced | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
All evidence points to the fact this isn’t true. If someone uses the term ‘snowflake’ in earnest, it is a foolproof method for identifying them as a deeply unpleasant person."I've never met a person that uses the term that I'd like to meet again. | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over "Good, let them. We can’t rely on the old lazy fuckers to do anything useful | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it.
Sounds rational and well balanced "What really gets me is snowflake was once a term used for a white person who argued against sla very. Though Chuck Pulanyiuk (spelling? Soz) would argue it came from Fight Club. If I wore badges I'd get a "proud snowflake" one made. | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it.
Sounds rational and well balanced
What really gets me is snowflake was once a term used for a white person who argued against sla very. Though Chuck Pulanyiuk (spelling? Soz) would argue it came from Fight Club.
If I wore badges I'd get a "proud snowflake" one made. "I'm tending to think it as a badge of honour when I see who uses it as an insult  | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it.
Sounds rational and well balanced
What really gets me is snowflake was once a term used for a white person who argued against sla very. Though Chuck Pulanyiuk (spelling? Soz) would argue it came from Fight Club.
If I wore badges I'd get a "proud snowflake" one made.
I'm tending to think it as a badge of honour when I see who uses it as an insult "I've just put it on my profile. Saves everyone time | |||
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"I've just put it on my profile. Saves everyone time "I got stuck at 'inbox full of scrotum'
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"I've just put it on my profile. Saves everyone time
I got stuck at 'inbox full of scrotum'
We just need a logo now. I mean for the snowflakes, not the scrotums "What about a snowflake tattooed scrotum? | |||
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"I've just put it on my profile. Saves everyone time
I got stuck at 'inbox full of scrotum'
We just need a logo now. I mean for the snowflakes, not the scrotums
What about a snowflake tattooed scrotum? "I'm not volunteering for this | |||
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"I've just put it on my profile. Saves everyone time
I got stuck at 'inbox full of scrotum'
We just need a logo now. I mean for the snowflakes, not the scrotums
What about a snowflake tattooed scrotum?
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"Reports that Watford will rename all streets with links to imperialism, the Empire and Sla ver y if residents vote to change their street name.. I wonder if this will erase the history of sl av ery altogether for new generations... Changing street names and removing families does NOT erase history, it removes the idolisation of historic figures. Think of it as not having a big statue of Hitler, or a Herman Goring Street in Hamburg. Cal "That’s a good comparison, is it? | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho Not at all, we love searching for historical references - especially medieval ones - in street names. See Jim's pic of "Grope Lane" for such street names
Off to remind myself why "Whop-ma-whip-ma-gate" in York is so-called..."Yes indeed, we found a Grope Lane in Shrewsbury (many such lanes were originally called, "Gropecunt Lane") the Victorians sanitized most such street names, as in the common, Grape Lane. | |||
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"Erasing history will not erase what happened." Neither will changing street names. We can learn about the wankers of the past without continuing to celebrate them. | |||
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"Erasing history will not erase what happened. Neither will changing street names. We can learn about the wankers of the past without continuing to celebrate them." I agree | |||
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"Could they not just bulldoze Watford?" That's the obvious answer but I think some people do still live there? | |||
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"PS: I'm sure some people will think I'm weird but hey ho Not at all, we love searching for historical references - especially medieval ones - in street names. See Jim's pic of "Grope Lane" for such street names
Off to remind myself why "Whop-ma-whip-ma-gate" in York is so-called...
Yes indeed, we found a Grope Lane in Shrewsbury (many such lanes were originally called, "Gropecunt Lane") the Victorians sanitized most such street names, as in the common, Grape Lane."Jim's Grope Lane is the one in Shrewsbury  | |||
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"Could they not just bulldoze Watford? That's the obvious answer but I think some people do still live there? "What for…..? | |||
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"They should lose street names and replace them with a number system, it would be so much easier to get around and do away with all the problems names bring to the table" This is how the Middle East do residential street names at least. "Building 8, Street 7, Kuwait City" or whatever...... | |||
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"Could they not just bulldoze Watford? That's the obvious answer but I think some people do still live there?
What for…..?"They have trains and there's London I think | |||
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"This is how the Middle East do residential street names at least. "Building 8, Street 7, Kuwait City" or whatever...... " New York has similar. | |||
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"Could they not just bulldoze Watford? That's the obvious answer but I think some people do still live there? "If you bulldoze Watford, how on earth would us Londoners know where The North starts | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it."If we kept the staus quo then nothing would change. By your reasoning, most of us would still be serfs - were they snow flakes for not wanting to be the property.of the Lord of the Manor?? Tolpuddle Martyrs - snowflakes? Ending child labour, workhouses - more snowflakes? Universal sufferage, women being allowed to vote - were the people who argued for those rights snowflakes? Probably a bunch of snow flakes who wanted an NHS. | |||
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"Could they not just bulldoze Watford? That's the obvious answer but I think some people do still live there?
If you bulldoze Watford, how on earth would us Londoners know where The North starts " | |||
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"I have driven through Watford a few times. Never stopped." Do you mean through the gap in Watford lol | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it.
Sounds rational and well balanced
What really gets me is snowflake was once a term used for a white person who argued against sla very. Though Chuck Pulanyiuk (spelling? Soz) would argue it came from Fight Club.
If I wore badges I'd get a "proud snowflake" one made.
I'm tending to think it as a badge of honour when I see who uses it as an insult
I've just put it on my profile. Saves everyone time "What’s snow flakes lol  | |||
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"I have driven through Watford a few times. Never stopped." You sound like a film star. | |||
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"The snowflakes are taking over
Good. The arseholes have had their turn.
Unfortunately the snowflakes are bigger arseholes than the arseholes they have replaced...
You should read my article entitled "why everyone who argues for the status quo is a rational reasoned individual and anyone who argues for change is a fanatical, virtue signalling marxist snowflake". I think you'll like it.
If we kept the staus quo then nothing would change.
By your reasoning, most of us would still be serfs - were they snow flakes for not wanting to be the property.of the Lord of the Manor??
Tolpuddle Martyrs - snowflakes?
Ending child labour, workhouses - more snowflakes?
Universal sufferage, women being allowed to vote - were the people who argued for those rights snowflakes?
Probably a bunch of snow flakes who wanted an NHS.
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