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"They won't have your login info" I thought so as well as they dont have them. | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? Did you read it on Facebook?" No. I read the news on reuters. | |||
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"Someone's got a job for life!" Yes they would as well have that. | |||
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"I was wondering who kept posting stuff from my account on here " I hope the dwp enjoyed all those vulva pictures I sent. | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters." And on there it was on the express's site. https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday | |||
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"This "story" has been reported across numerous media news sites in the past month, but it only relates to specific people. The DWP were stating they'd be monitoring bank account activity of clients receiving Universal Credit, Job Seekers Allowance & other Government Benefits. It is an exercise to check if claimants have additional sources of income that weren't being declared or had reasonable legitimate proof of receipt, especially at Christmas, which can be an expensive time of year! They have bank account details already, since they already pay benefits into them! In short, if you are following Benefits rules and not deceiving the DWP, you've nothing to worry about. " Seems fair enough then, good on em | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters.And on there it was on the express's site. https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday" | |||
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"This "story" has been reported across numerous media news sites in the past month, but it only relates to specific people. The DWP were stating they'd be monitoring bank account activity of clients receiving Universal Credit, Job Seekers Allowance & other Government Benefits. It is an exercise to check if claimants have additional sources of income that weren't being declared or had reasonable legitimate proof of receipt, especially at Christmas, which can be an expensive time of year! They have bank account details already, since they already pay benefits into them! In short, if you are following Benefits rules and not deceiving the DWP, you've nothing to worry about. " | |||
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"I'm pretty certain they cannot just freely access bank details or social media without legitimate reason. Otherwise it's a flat out breach of your rights to privacy. " Your bank itself sends information to the Revenue/DWP every year! | |||
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"I was wondering who kept posting stuff from my account on here I hope the dwp enjoyed all those vulva pictures I sent. " | |||
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"My friend works alongside this kinda stuff No one’s looking at your bank details If they are it’s because they should be No one just has access to everyone’s bank details. There’s a method to this. You need reason, evidence, research. You can’t just click on a person and see what they’re doing " My ex wife worked as a tax inspector, she told me once that if she so much at glances at my file without any legitimate reason she would be dismissed. | |||
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. " Tracey is living her best life | |||
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"I'm pretty certain they cannot just freely access bank details or social media without legitimate reason. Otherwise it's a flat out breach of your rights to privacy. Your bank itself sends information to the Revenue/DWP every year! " That’s slightly different though, it’s legitimate interest, whereas OP specifically mentions monitoring people on UC or other government benefits. | |||
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about " Ah the famous quote, paraphrased. | |||
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. Tracey is living her best life " | |||
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about " I believe we all have a little tarnish on our halos, Would you really declare that your nan left you a chunk in her will, or you sold your car and now have above the max allowable savings? | |||
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"I meant to add in my earlier post, that the DWP monitor Social Media as often people can post messages, pictures and other information without thinking of any consequences! It has been known for people who are on Benefits or receiving other Govt financial assistance, boasting on FB about their forthcoming foreign holiday, or one they'd just returned from. Or the Benefits Cheats who claim Invalidity Benefits etc who stupidly post pics on FB or other sites, showing them dancing, partying, on holiday etc when supposedly they're in acute pain, can't walk ten steps before stopping in agony! That's where the monitoring of Social Media comes in to check for Benefits Fraud. " So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up? | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? " This is BS. | |||
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"I meant to add in my earlier post, that the DWP monitor Social Media as often people can post messages, pictures and other information without thinking of any consequences! It has been known for people who are on Benefits or receiving other Govt financial assistance, boasting on FB about their forthcoming foreign holiday, or one they'd just returned from. Or the Benefits Cheats who claim Invalidity Benefits etc who stupidly post pics on FB or other sites, showing them dancing, partying, on holiday etc when supposedly they're in acute pain, can't walk ten steps before stopping in agony! That's where the monitoring of Social Media comes in to check for Benefits Fraud. So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?" They can but is the ones pleading poverty then spending £10k on holiday they clamp down on or the ones claiming PIP then going on ski holidays yet can't walk to the car when assessed | |||
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about I believe we all have a little tarnish on our halos, Would you really declare that your nan left you a chunk in her will, or you sold your car and now have above the max allowable savings?" Yes. My mum died in 2018, each sibling (6) got over 20k, each grandchild got 1k - yes I declared it, I don’t work due to disability & lack of skills, I bought a car outright, to not declare something like that amount is fraud. | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? " Wifey used to work in fraud, and nobody can look at your bank stuff without a court order; and social media is public only, or the same applies. | |||
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" My ex wife worked as a tax inspector, she told me once that if she so much at glances at my file without any legitimate reason she would be dismissed." Not changed- one of the 'unforgivable' crimes in DWP/Police etc. | |||
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?" On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP. | |||
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" My ex wife worked as a tax inspector, she told me once that if she so much at glances at my file without any legitimate reason she would be dismissed. Not changed- one of the 'unforgivable' crimes in DWP/Police etc." And banking. When I worked in London we had a lot of celebrities bank with us. No way could we look at their accounts without reason. | |||
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about I believe we all have a little tarnish on our halos, Would you really declare that your nan left you a chunk in her will, or you sold your car and now have above the max allowable savings?" Well considering I have neither easy to say yes. The one thing I was taught was never mess with the tax man or else it will bite back down the line. | |||
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"… but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? " The world can see what you post on social media, subject to your privacy settings, without any special powers being required. That’s nothing sinister, and wether or not that lands you in hot water is limited only by your own stupidity. Further levels of access to your personal financial information would require a) reasonable suspicion and b) a court order. An exception may be HMRC who have more powers than any other state office. But if you were doing financial things you shouldn’t be doing and so use cash exclusively, beware. Don’t leave a paper trail. An individual was prosecuted where the key evidence that there actual income was more than their declared income was their tesco clubcard account, which showed spending well in excess of their alleged income. When prosecuting for fraud, every little helps! | |||
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up? On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP." That’s not entirely true. On JSA you can go on holiday/ leave the country but you have to tell your work advisor where you’re going & how long you’ll be away for. If a job opportunity comes up they will expect you to cut your holiday short & return to either attend the interview or start the job. I was on JSA, though only looking for part time, & that’s what I was told. | |||
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up? On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP. That’s not entirely true. On JSA you can go on holiday/ leave the country but you have to tell your work advisor where you’re going & how long you’ll be away for. If a job opportunity comes up they will expect you to cut your holiday short & return to either attend the interview or start the job. I was on JSA, though only looking for part time, & that’s what I was told. " A long time ago (fortunately) when I was, I was told the opposite to you… leave the country and your signing off! | |||
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"… but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? The world can see what you post on social media, subject to your privacy settings, without any special powers being required. That’s nothing sinister, and wether or not that lands you in hot water is limited only by your own stupidity. Further levels of access to your personal financial information would require a) reasonable suspicion and b) a court order. An exception may be HMRC who have more powers than any other state office. But if you were doing financial things you shouldn’t be doing and so use cash exclusively, beware. Don’t leave a paper trail. An individual was prosecuted where the key evidence that there actual income was more than their declared income was their tesco clubcard account, which showed spending well in excess of their alleged income. When prosecuting for fraud, every little helps!" You are right there, as it depends what setting one have on the social media. | |||
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up? On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP." That is not true. You can take a 2 week holiday in any 6 month period. | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? " I was disturbed by this and have enquired of an informed source You would need to come to their attention for some other reason first. They must be able to justify any such search / enquiry in court, (which are authorised at regional level, not locally) and safeguards are in place under various acts which could make this problematic for them. In other words, they can, but they don’t in any but the most outrageous and flagrant cases of abuse of the benefit system | |||
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about " If I'm doing nothing wrong, they've no right to look. | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? I was disturbed by this and have enquired of an informed source You would need to come to their attention for some other reason first. They must be able to justify any such search / enquiry in court, (which are authorised at regional level, not locally) and safeguards are in place under various acts which could make this problematic for them. In other words, they can, but they don’t in any but the most outrageous and flagrant cases of abuse of the benefit system " This is correct. When she was Home Sec' Theresa May tried it introduce legislation that would've made this type of activity much easier, it bombed because even her own party couldn't support it. | |||
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about If I'm doing nothing wrong, they've no right to look." and they wouldn’t. Example I quit work December 2019, the only benefit I claim is child benefit. 10 months later as I wasn’t earning, signed on, paying tax etc, they froze my CB as they thought I’d left the country. All it took was a quick phone call to explain some information and the benefit was reinstated. | |||
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with??" because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty | |||
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with?? because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty" Bit harsh lol. They may not get benefits. I don’t and no pension either yet so they wouldn’t have mine. | |||
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. " it's probably more alo.g the lines of someone who is claiming sick then checking into the gym everyday | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? " Whilst I’m not thrilled about it - I’ve nothing to fear either. I remember an outcry a few years ago when it was said that google/social media et al could track you via your phone wherever you are on earth. All I thought was - that’ll be handy if I ever get totally lost or k**napped. | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters.And on there it was on the express's site. https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday" I must admit I smirk a bit when someone starts a thread saying something , lots of others tell him it must be from FB etc and then they turn up with the link As others have said Shag, they have had powers for a while for certain things and to be honest if you were getting investigated for fraud then it does make sense, but I doubt if they will have your log in details but could request statements. You would be surprised how many people check SM to see a lifestyle though, lots of insurance companies do to track fraud, employers etc to see if they want to employ you | |||
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters.And on there it was on the express's site. https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday I must admit I smirk a bit when someone starts a thread saying something , lots of others tell him it must be from FB etc and then they turn up with the link As others have said Shag, they have had powers for a while for certain things and to be honest if you were getting investigated for fraud then it does make sense, but I doubt if they will have your log in details but could request statements. You would be surprised how many people check SM to see a lifestyle though, lots of insurance companies do to track fraud, employers etc to see if they want to employ you " It sounded like a Facebook viral post. I'm a plonker. | |||
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. " | |||
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"Yea they don’t have massive amounts of access yet, from what I’ve heard. However that snoopers charter will give them access to everything including your passwords. Since it allows them to decrypt data." Yeah, if that happens I wouldn't be happy. It would bother me even if I didn't have something to hide | |||
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with?? because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty" I am not or ever have been on benefits. So now who’s the numpty | |||
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"GDPR" Doesn't apply to referencing your public social media pages in a fraud case. | |||
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with?? because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty Bit harsh lol. They may not get benefits. I don’t and no pension either yet so they wouldn’t have mine. " Child benefits? tax credits? self assessment?, there's always a way in, even premium bonds! | |||
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with?? because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty Bit harsh lol. They may not get benefits. I don’t and no pension either yet so they wouldn’t have mine. Child benefits? tax credits? self assessment?, there's always a way in, even premium bonds! " nope, none of the above .... sorry to disappoint | |||
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. " | |||
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