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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Sounds a bit Frankenstein-ish, but is using animal organs for transplants more ethically unacceptable than mushing them into pate?

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South

This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I had a choice between living with a pigs heart and dying I know which I would choose..

Many people are happy to eat animals and use products made from them every day.

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By *olden PoleMan
over a year ago

Thal

I’ve had a pigs face for ages...so the women of fab keep telling me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until somebody comes out with 8 legs and crab claws for hands then I honestly think they’re just not trying hard enough

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig."

Wow! M&S have gone too far now!

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig.

Wow! M&S have gone too far now!"

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

Would you decline the treatment if it ment the difference between living and dying?

It's just cells and muscle fibres at the end of the day.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South


"I’ve had a pigs face for ages...so the women of fab keep telling me "

Dunno about the face but your sausage isn’t bad

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

Would you have accepted it if meant saving your life?

There would be no opportunity for any disease from this transplant

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

Would you decline the treatment if it ment the difference between living and dying?

It's just cells and muscle fibres at the end of the day. "

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps they may find other things they can use?

They might be able to make some oinkment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pig heart valves have been used for years to replace worn out human valves. So I think the scientists are ok with it.

G

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By *olden PoleMan
over a year ago

Thal


"I’ve had a pigs face for ages...so the women of fab keep telling me

Dunno about the face but your sausage isn’t bad "

Very kind very kind....tis why the sausage is on display and not the face

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

No, it's scientific progress...given a choice between that and dying then give me the pigs heart please

Meddling with nature is when they start fucking about with genetics and creating whole live animals....That to me is scientists playing god, they had no right morally or ethically to do that I believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wait till they can transplant donkey dicks, not one guy here be questioning the morality just if they are bigger than a sky remote!

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

I love them in blankets

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By *atricia ParnelWoman
over a year ago

In a town full of colours


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig."

This

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By *hristopherd999Man
over a year ago

Brentwood

They have been using pigs for this for about 40 years, it's nothing new

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

You know this type of activity isn’t new right?

I did my BSc thesis on zoonotic transplantations and the associated risks of zoonotic transmission of disease 20 years ago.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I don't think this is new. Also, insulin was derived from pig.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as I don't get given peppa's

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"If I had a choice between living with a pigs heart and dying I know which I would choose..

Many people are happy to eat animals and use products made from them every day."

Me 2 I would choose the dying x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig."

That sounds like a Marks and Spencer’s ad

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By *oeBeansMan
over a year ago

Derby

It's very risky as there's always a chance the body could reject it causing further complications and I can see the ethical dilemma of using anoth living thing for our own purpose yet again.

However, from a selfish standpoint, if there was a chance it could save me or a close family member, then I'd do it in a heartbeat

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By *he_Last_TitanMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

The same argument could be made in relation to any medication, surgery etc...

Besides, it's not really meddling, it's simply using the resources available to us in an attempt to make people's lives better. It's called progress and has been going on for decades. My gran had a valve from a pigs heart inserted after a heart attack, gave her an extra 20 years of life. She died whilst on holiday, rather than on a hospital ward that day.

M

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By *he_Last_TitanMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"If I had a choice between living with a pigs heart and dying I know which I would choose..

Many people are happy to eat animals and use products made from them every day.

Me 2 I would choose the dying x"

I'm sure you would; until you wouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Woop - woop

That’s the sound of the police!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"If I had a choice between living with a pigs heart and dying I know which I would choose..

Many people are happy to eat animals and use products made from them every day.

Me 2 I would choose the dying x

I'm sure you would; until you wouldn't. "

I would! Assuming a pig would have to die for me to live? Why have I more right to live than a pig?? If it was like a doner situation and the pig was gonna die anyway then yes for sure same as when I go anyone's welcome to my innards x

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By *atricia ParnelWoman
over a year ago

In a town full of colours


"They have been using pigs for this for about 40 years, it's nothing new"

Thats true, like many burn skin grafts are pig skin and have been 30 years

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

This story is all over the news.. I believe that it will result in germs crossing the species. And not just any germs. Scientists are meddling again in areas they don't understand in my view

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was the pig's heart halal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This story is all over the news.. I believe that it will result in germs crossing the species. And not just any germs. Scientists are meddling again in areas they don't understand in my view"

Yeah I imagine those know nothing scientists haven’t a clue what they’re doing, spreading germs left, right and centre from their sterilised pigs heart without consulting Tom, from Essex, on FAB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose at some point folk will be willing to donate organs to animals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Was the pig's heart halal? "

Still beating and not eaten so moot. The ‘not a kebab’ clause.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Was the pig's heart halal?

Still beating and not eaten so moot. The ‘not a kebab’ clause. "

Can I have chilli sauce with that clause?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suppose at some point folk will be willing to donate organs to animals."

Not the same. Technically speaking I sincerely doubt this piggy carried a donor card

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suppose at some point folk will be willing to donate organs to animals.

Not the same. Technically speaking I sincerely doubt this piggy carried a donor card "

I carry a doner card. I want anyone else to be able to help themselves to my kebab after my death.

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By *ngelFire2020Couple
over a year ago

Darlington

Would it change my attitude towards bacon ??

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

All I can say is well done the surgeons

Hopefully he will have another few years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bit that bothered me was the part at the end of the report where they talked about concerns re. potential diseases hopping between species.

I mean thankfully that hasn't ever caused any problems before.....

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"I suppose at some point folk will be willing to donate organs to animals."

Eh!! ?

Sometimes I despair of people

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions.. "

Well that’s their problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions.. "

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

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By *4G-GBBukCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow/London


"This story is all over the news.. I believe that it will result in germs crossing the species. And not just any germs. Scientists are meddling again in areas they don't understand in my view

Yeah I imagine those know nothing scientists haven’t a clue what they’re doing, spreading germs left, right and centre from their sterilised pigs heart without consulting Tom, from Essex, on FAB"

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By *4G-GBBukCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow/London


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions.. "

Ridiculous false equivalence. Go have a lie down

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

My friends partner is having his heart valves replaced. He had the choice between having mechanical ones or pig ones. They use pig ones because they are a similar size to a humans apparently. He has opted for mechanical ones though as he is vegetarian, even though there is more of a risk of failure.

I think it's amazing what they can do these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions.. "

Religion is optional. Such as is the uptake of the benefits of modern medicine. Therefore no, there no discrimination.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"My friends partner is having his heart valves replaced. He had the choice between having mechanical ones or pig ones. They use pig ones because they are a similar size to a humans apparently. He has opted for mechanical ones though as he is vegetarian, even though there is more of a risk of failure.

I think it's amazing what they can do these days."

Yup apparently the pig ones are more reliable

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig."

I can imagine Homer Simpson holding that lucky guy above his head singing "Spiderpig, Spiderpig: Look out he's a live giving Spiderpig" Then holding a can of DUFF beer aloft to toast Dr Bartley Griffith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyeRyAZKSdQ

(Sky news in 2019, bang on by a matter of days.)

Glad to see that Al Jazeera (English) told the story in a grown up and unbiased way, not like Rupert Murdoch's empire.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/11/us-man-recovering-after-breakthrough-pig-heart-transplant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions.. "

Rather the other way around, the religions would discriminate against the science.

Some religions don’t eat pig as it’s seen as a dirty animal.

If you like you could call the doctors/scientists and ask them to experiment with a more religiously inclusive animal like a horse? Or a giraffe? even though it would have 0 fucking percent chance of working.

They used a pigs heart for a reason, not to exclude any religions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

Pig anatomies are very similar to ours, there have been many pig organ transplants into humans. There is little to no disease risk as it’s a very controlled process. As with any transplant they will be on drugs for the rest of their life, but they will have a life

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?"

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Total porklipse of the heart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?"

Halal innit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Total porklipse of the heart "

Chop ten hit that

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions don’t eat pig as it’s seen as a dirty animal.

."

Chicken is famous for the risk of food poising from raw eggs, if eaten by people with weakend immune systems and you would have to be stark raving mad to eat raw chicken, or have it cooked medium rare...just waiting for this recipe to appear on 5Minute hacks or Tik Tok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?"

Injected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

Halal innit."

I think it’s totally Kosher

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

So, they still eat chicken even though the food posing risk is pretty much the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

Halal innit.

I think it’s totally Kosher"

Then we've got beef

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

Injected "

I don’t think Tom fully understands science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Total porklipse of the heart

Chop ten hit that"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I don’t think Tom fully understands science "

Imagine the size of the needle

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

Halal innit.

I think it’s totally Kosher

Then we've got beef"

Something smells fishy here

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

Nope. It's called Science.

Our evolution as a species :

Age of Ignorance

Age of Superstition

Age of Science

Age of Transhumanism

We are the new gods now.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Guess who rubber stamped this procedure?

“The FDA used our data and data on the experimental pig to authorise the transplant in an end-stage heart disease patient who had no other treatment options,” said Dr Muhammad Mohiuddin, who heads the University’s programme on xenotransplantation – transplanting animal organs into humans.

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions.. "

I think that would really be religion discriminating against science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?"

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?"

Maybe it's something to do with compatibility with human physiology. Just having a wild stab in the dark here. Which is probably what the pig got. Before he was harvested for his organs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

Halal innit.

I think it’s totally Kosher

Then we've got beef

Something smells fishy here "

Sorry that's me. Sushi for tea.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

Nope. It's called Science.

Our evolution as a species :

Age of Ignorance

Age of Superstition

Age of Science

Age of Transhumanism

We are the new gods now."

Let's hope we can handle that responsibility, the last 8,000–12,000 gods have got a lot to answer for. Death, floods, plague, fire, famine, pestilence, ethnic cleansing and other acts-of-love, that cause a lot of suffering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?"

It's an interesting ethical question. The 2 main religions that oppose the eating of pork are Judaism and Islam and their respective holy books only specify a ban on eating pork, rather than using it in other ways that weren't even considered when the texts were written. I have known both Jewish and Muslim chefs to prepare pork based dishes but not eat them.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom…. "

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And is this ethical or divisive..

Some religions do not eat pork and presumably will not accept an organ from a pig .

Does this science discriminate against certain religions..

Where did you get that idea, Tom?

Some religions do not eat pork..

Does anyone think that a religion that does not eat pork would want their followers injected with one?

Halal innit.

I think it’s totally Kosher

Then we've got beef

Something smells fishy here

Sorry that's me. Sushi for tea. "

Good one! You’re as slippery as an Eel

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Insulin comes from pigs, as do a number of other commonly used and essential medicines. This is nothing new.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

"

Probably not Tom, because if science revolved around religion we’d most likely all be dead

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

They’ve been using valves from pig hearts for years, this is nothing new.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

Nope. It's called Science.

Our evolution as a species :

Age of Ignorance

Age of Superstition

Age of Science

Age of Transhumanism

We are the new gods now.

Let's hope we can handle that responsibility, the last 8,000–12,000 gods have got a lot to answer for. Death, floods, plague, fire, famine, pestilence, ethnic cleansing and other acts-of-love, that cause a lot of suffering."

Not a problem. Boris has said we can level up!

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

Nope. It's called Science.

Our evolution as a species :

Age of Ignorance

Age of Superstition

Age of Science

Age of Transhumanism

We are the new gods now.

Let's hope we can handle that responsibility, the last 8,000–12,000 gods have got a lot to answer for. Death, floods, plague, fire, famine, pestilence, ethnic cleansing and other acts-of-love, that cause a lot of suffering.

Not a problem. Boris has said we can level up! "

Boris? On the Level? Never!

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

Have syou read up on any of this, or is it from FB?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

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Pigs and humans have a remarkably similar physiological make-up, more so than any species of simian, so the chance of organ rejection is lessened considerably. If you tried to use the heart of any other animal, both patients would die immediately. Think of it like putting diesel in a petrol car. Even though they're both types of fuel, one is compatible and the car will run, the other is not and the car won't run.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"This story is all over the news.. I believe that it will result in germs crossing the species. And not just any germs. Scientists are meddling again in areas they don't understand in my view"

Scientists study, research and test, then peer review. Religious leaders, politicians and editors interfere all the time in things they don't understand.

Euthanasia, abortion and blood donation are historical pawns in that tug of war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

They’ve been using valves from pig hearts for years, this is nothing new."

It was the first one, so it is sort of new.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

Pigs and humans have a remarkably similar physiological make-up, more so than any species of simian, so the chance of organ rejection is lessened considerably. If you tried to use the heart of any other animal, both patients would die immediately. Think of it like putting diesel in a petrol car. Even though they're both types of fuel, one is compatible and the car will run, the other is not and the car won't run."

I asked a muslim once about pork, the answer was not the one that you are thinking of.

"Pigs are like dogs, very clever, sentient and deserve to live: would you want to eat a dog?".

This may not be the official line, but seeing how dog meat is repulsive to most people, it's only when you look at those people that eat rabbit and guinea pigs, that you realise that someones's pet is another person's lunch.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

Pigs and humans have a remarkably similar physiological make-up, more so than any species of simian, so the chance of organ rejection is lessened considerably. If you tried to use the heart of any other animal, both patients would die immediately. Think of it like putting diesel in a petrol car. Even though they're both types of fuel, one is compatible and the car will run, the other is not and the car won't run.

I asked a muslim once about pork, the answer was not the one that you are thinking of.

"Pigs are like dogs, very clever, sentient and deserve to live: would you want to eat a dog?".

This may not be the official line, but seeing how dog meat is repulsive to most people, it's only when you look at those people that eat rabbit and guinea pigs, that you realise that someones's pet is another person's lunch."

Eating any dead flesh is repulsive to alot of us x

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

They’ve been using valves from pig hearts for years, this is nothing new.

It was the first one, so it is sort of new."

No, it’s the first heart…they have been using valves for a good while as an alternative to a mechanical valve.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

I bet his heart beats faster when he sees a big fat sow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

They’ve been using valves from pig hearts for years, this is nothing new.

It was the first one, so it is sort of new.

No, it’s the first heart…they have been using valves for a good while as an alternative to a mechanical valve."

Thanks for the explanation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

No, it's scientific progress...given a choice between that and dying then give me the pigs heart please

Meddling with nature is when they start fucking about with genetics and creating whole live animals....That to me is scientists playing god, they had no right morally or ethically to do that I believe. "

Do you think your German Shepard evolved to have the shape, temperament, intelligence and lovable nature he has?

We've been meddling with genetics for millenia. Almost every bit of food you eat comes from a variety of organism that never existed in nature. The only difference is the techniques used to meddle.

Why is a wheat plant that has had a gene added to increase its resistance to disease morally or ethnically worse than breeding dogs with hips that fail or whose brains are too large for their skulls?

I'm not asking this to attack you, I've had and loved a GSD too and watched him whimper with failing hips in old age. I genuinely don't understand the moral issues some people attach to certain aspects of human behaviour but not others?

Mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, I think it's a fantastic achievement for medical science.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Many people rely on Bovine or Porccine insulin

Where do you think that comes from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be good if he started finding truffles.

Joking aside, he's probably having a tough run in life, I wish him well.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

The swines…!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It would be good if he started finding truffles.

Joking aside, he's probably having a tough run in life, I wish him well. "

I would imagine he's feeling quite perky now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heartbeat why do you miss when my baby snuffles me.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

Pigs and humans have a remarkably similar physiological make-up, more so than any species of simian, so the chance of organ rejection is lessened considerably. If you tried to use the heart of any other animal, both patients would die immediately. Think of it like putting diesel in a petrol car. Even though they're both types of fuel, one is compatible and the car will run, the other is not and the car won't run.

I asked a muslim once about pork, the answer was not the one that you are thinking of.

"Pigs are like dogs, very clever, sentient and deserve to live: would you want to eat a dog?".

This may not be the official line, but seeing how dog meat is repulsive to most people, it's only when you look at those people that eat rabbit and guinea pigs, that you realise that someones's pet is another person's lunch.

Eating any dead flesh is repulsive to alot of us x"

Just eat them alive then ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Nobody has responded to the elephant in the room here..

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne


"Nobody has responded to the elephant in the room here..

"

What’s the elephant in the room?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nobody has responded to the elephant in the room here..

What’s the elephant in the room? "

It's disguised as a pig.

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne


"Nobody has responded to the elephant in the room here..

What’s the elephant in the room?

It's disguised as a pig."

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions "

Yes, it may but, as yet, there is no viable alternative to pigs, and the religious leaders of those faiths have not made a ruling yet, as far as I am aware. As with all transplants, the patient's permission would be required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions "

It may do and if it does, they won't take the transplant if it was offered to them. That's their choice.

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne


"That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions "

Well I suppose it’s a lot like Jehovah witnesses won’t accept blood transfusions. It’s all down to preference, if you don’t want the heart then don’t accept it.

The two religions (that I’m aware of) that don’t eat pork don’t make up the whole population of the world so shouldn’t dictate weather or not an organ from an animal can be used to save another human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

As I can't put myself in their shoes, I can't speak for everyone, but it's just wrong! On so many levels.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions

Well I suppose it’s a lot like Jehovah witnesses won’t accept blood transfusions. It’s all down to preference, if you don’t want the heart then don’t accept it.

The two religions (that I’m aware of) that don’t eat pork don’t make up the whole population of the world so shouldn’t dictate weather or not an organ from an animal can be used to save another human.

"

Not health for all then.

Sounds like, I am alright Jack..Sod the rest...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions

Well I suppose it’s a lot like Jehovah witnesses won’t accept blood transfusions. It’s all down to preference, if you don’t want the heart then don’t accept it.

The two religions (that I’m aware of) that don’t eat pork don’t make up the whole population of the world so shouldn’t dictate weather or not an organ from an animal can be used to save another human.

Not health for all then.

Sounds like, I am alright Jack..Sod the rest..."

But it's not, everyone has a choice. They would have it all explained to them then they can decide. No one has to accept a donated organ no matter where it's come from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

As I can't put myself in their shoes, I can't speak for everyone, but it's just wrong! On so many levels."

If the person you love most in the world was dying from a heart-related illness and you had this choice - what would you do?

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"That pig transplanted into human guinea pigs may offend some religions

Well I suppose it’s a lot like Jehovah witnesses won’t accept blood transfusions. It’s all down to preference, if you don’t want the heart then don’t accept it.

The two religions (that I’m aware of) that don’t eat pork don’t make up the whole population of the world so shouldn’t dictate weather or not an organ from an animal can be used to save another human.

Not health for all then.

Sounds like, I am alright Jack..Sod the rest..."

If someone is stupid enough to turn down a lifesaving procedure because of a religious belief the that’s their choice.

But you can’t hold the rest of the world accountable for their choice

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne

And that same comment could be applied the other way around surely?

If it’s a valve replacement rather than a full heart transplant then a bovine valve can be used as an alternative…unfortunately I’m sure a cows heart would be too large and I’m assuming since this is the first full heart to be transplanted from a pig, they won’t have found an alternative yet.

But at the end of the day, science and religion are completely separate. As I said, if you don’t want the heart that has been offered due to beliefs, you don’t have to accept it.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"There could be a strong religeous debate here if people took this seriously.. why choose an animal that some religions deem to be unclean?

That’s not why they chose it Tom….

Please expand but did they consider religious connotation?

Pigs and humans have a remarkably similar physiological make-up, more so than any species of simian, so the chance of organ rejection is lessened considerably. If you tried to use the heart of any other animal, both patients would die immediately. Think of it like putting diesel in a petrol car. Even though they're both types of fuel, one is compatible and the car will run, the other is not and the car won't run.

I asked a muslim once about pork, the answer was not the one that you are thinking of.

"Pigs are like dogs, very clever, sentient and deserve to live: would you want to eat a dog?".

This may not be the official line, but seeing how dog meat is repulsive to most people, it's only when you look at those people that eat rabbit and guinea pigs, that you realise that someones's pet is another person's lunch.

Eating any dead flesh is repulsive to alot of us x

Just eat them alive then ?"

Or just dont eat it??

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"And that same comment could be applied the other way around surely?

If it’s a valve replacement rather than a full heart transplant then a bovine valve can be used as an alternative…unfortunately I’m sure a cows heart would be too large and I’m assuming since this is the first full heart to be transplanted from a pig, they won’t have found an alternative yet.

But at the end of the day, science and religion are completely separate. As I said, if you don’t want the heart that has been offered due to beliefs, you don’t have to accept it. "

The cow is another sacred animal in some countries ..

How inclusive is this policy of offering pig and cow parts to humans.. a neutral animal could have been picked..a chimp maybe

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By *age500Woman
over a year ago

ashton-under-lyne


"And that same comment could be applied the other way around surely?

If it’s a valve replacement rather than a full heart transplant then a bovine valve can be used as an alternative…unfortunately I’m sure a cows heart would be too large and I’m assuming since this is the first full heart to be transplanted from a pig, they won’t have found an alternative yet.

But at the end of the day, science and religion are completely separate. As I said, if you don’t want the heart that has been offered due to beliefs, you don’t have to accept it.

The cow is another sacred animal in some countries ..

How inclusive is this policy of offering pig and cow parts to humans.. a neutral animal could have been picked..a chimp maybe "

No matter what animal was chosen, you’d be upsetting someone. We aren’t scientists so can’t exactly make suggestions on what animal would be appropriate with no knowledge on the subject.

If you really feel so strongly about the subject then this really isn’t the place to be looking for a solution

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"And that same comment could be applied the other way around surely?

If it’s a valve replacement rather than a full heart transplant then a bovine valve can be used as an alternative…unfortunately I’m sure a cows heart would be too large and I’m assuming since this is the first full heart to be transplanted from a pig, they won’t have found an alternative yet.

But at the end of the day, science and religion are completely separate. As I said, if you don’t want the heart that has been offered due to beliefs, you don’t have to accept it.

The cow is another sacred animal in some countries ..

How inclusive is this policy of offering pig and cow parts to humans.. a neutral animal could have been picked..a chimp maybe

No matter what animal was chosen, you’d be upsetting someone. We aren’t scientists so can’t exactly make suggestions on what animal would be appropriate with no knowledge on the subject.

If you really feel so strongly about the subject then this really isn’t the place to be looking for a solution"

It's my observation. I think it's going to be another bungled scientific project by these fools more interested in adulatjon from their peers than helping mankind. I would ban all of this dark art and their Frankenstein followers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame.. "

Comparing this transplant to, or conflating it with, zoonotic virus transmission is not even wrong

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I would guess that the average Britain shares around 90% of its DNA with apes. The French even more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

No, it's scientific progress...given a choice between that and dying then give me the pigs heart please

Meddling with nature is when they start fucking about with genetics and creating whole live animals....That to me is scientists playing god, they had no right morally or ethically to do that I believe.

Do you think your German Shepard evolved to have the shape, temperament, intelligence and lovable nature he has?

We've been meddling with genetics for millenia. Almost every bit of food you eat comes from a variety of organism that never existed in nature. The only difference is the techniques used to meddle.

Why is a wheat plant that has had a gene added to increase its resistance to disease morally or ethnically worse than breeding dogs with hips that fail or whose brains are too large for their skulls?

I'm not asking this to attack you, I've had and loved a GSD too and watched him whimper with failing hips in old age. I genuinely don't understand the moral issues some people attach to certain aspects of human behaviour but not others?

Mr"

German Shepherds and lots of other breeds have their issues due to over breeding. I own him, I never strived to perfect his breed, I'm not a breeder btwm...

Fwiw no Shepherd I have owned has had dodgy hips, epilepsy yes, hips no and the epilepsy was just one of those things.

And no I don't agree with what over breeding has done to any breed...it at all and in an ideal world no it would not happen, none of it is ethical...

Other people in the thread own dogs, is it just me you choose to attack.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"I would guess that the average Britain shares around 90% of its DNA with apes. The French even more.

"

So Jeremy Clarkson is almost a full on orang-utan? The Catholic Bishop of Rome is a primate of Italy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have been using pig heart valves since 2015 successfully, the first pig transplants back in 1965 which was unsuccessful. So it's only new that they used the entire heart.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig.

That sounds like a Marks and Spencer’s ad "

Beat you to this gag a number of posts ago. Good though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man has had a pigs heart transplanted into him in America. Is this meddling with nature going too far? No wonder these diseases are jumping from species to species. These scientists have no shame..

No, it's scientific progress...given a choice between that and dying then give me the pigs heart please

Meddling with nature is when they start fucking about with genetics and creating whole live animals....That to me is scientists playing god, they had no right morally or ethically to do that I believe.

Do you think your German Shepard evolved to have the shape, temperament, intelligence and lovable nature he has?

We've been meddling with genetics for millenia. Almost every bit of food you eat comes from a variety of organism that never existed in nature. The only difference is the techniques used to meddle.

Why is a wheat plant that has had a gene added to increase its resistance to disease morally or ethnically worse than breeding dogs with hips that fail or whose brains are too large for their skulls?

I'm not asking this to attack you, I've had and loved a GSD too and watched him whimper with failing hips in old age. I genuinely don't understand the moral issues some people attach to certain aspects of human behaviour but not others?

Mr

German Shepherds and lots of other breeds have their issues due to over breeding. I own him, I never strived to perfect his breed, I'm not a breeder btwm...

Fwiw no Shepherd I have owned has had dodgy hips, epilepsy yes, hips no and the epilepsy was just one of those things.

And no I don't agree with what over breeding has done to any breed...it at all and in an ideal world no it would not happen, none of it is ethical...

Other people in the thread own dogs, is it just me you choose to attack."

I promise there is no attack. I was simply responding to your post saying that scientists have no moral or ethical right to create genetically different living things.

I know you have a GSD so used the breeding of dogs to illustrate what I'm saying. I could have used carrots - the carrots you buy and eat are massively different to their wild forebears, their genes have been carefully selected ever since we started farming them.

I don't personally understand the difference between selective breeding to remove unwanted genes and genetic engineering to implant wanted genes. We all live with the former and never question it yet the later seems to cause real disquiet and I'm trying to understand why you feel like that.

Mr

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By *ewfie02Couple
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Does he still eat bacon?

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By *idan31Man
over a year ago

ashby

Doctors told him that because of the size of his scar, he has to run oinkment on it every other hour

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"

I don't personally understand the difference between selective breeding to remove unwanted genes and genetic engineering to implant wanted genes.

Mr"

The newspapers and their biased editors can seriously skew public opinion.

Added to the fact that Frankenstein and the Island of Dr Moreau has added to the public's collective imagination: it's no wonder the public hold a slight bias against things they are mis sold. Newspapers and Hollywood exist to sell stories, not to educate. We could benefit from holding that thought.

As for selective breeding and GMO, ask your self this question. How long would it take to get spider silk into goats milk or how to get a mouse to grow tissue to help to grow the framework to become a human ear's connective tissue?

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"Does he still eat bacon?"

Hope he gets a DANISH tattoo.

"Now that's what I call...a transplant" memes will arrive soon.

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By *UCKiliketofuckMan
over a year ago

kettering

It’s fantastic if it works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't personally understand the difference between selective breeding to remove unwanted genes and genetic engineering to implant wanted genes.

Mr

The newspapers and their biased editors can seriously skew public opinion.

Added to the fact that Frankenstein and the Island of Dr Moreau has added to the public's collective imagination: it's no wonder the public hold a slight bias against things they are mis sold. Newspapers and Hollywood exist to sell stories, not to educate. We could benefit from holding that thought.

As for selective breeding and GMO, ask your self this question. How long would it take to get spider silk into goats milk or how to get a mouse to grow tissue to help to grow the framework to become a human ear's connective tissue?"

Oh, I'm fully aware that there is a significant difference in the amount of possible choices between breeding and GM and indeed the speed. What I'm not convinced of is any difference in morality between the two.

I think our instinctive bias towards essentialism is a big part of people's aversion. Selective breeding happens slow enough that some how it doesn't offend.

Mr

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I just hope that these patients with valves made from pigs parts were told..

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

This could open the floodgates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is not just a pig. This is a genetically altered pig."

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