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"Can you go self employed Luke and make a job you like?" I'm not sure what I would do. | |||
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"I feel for you. I'm stuck in a job that I'm unhappy but just don't know what I would love to do. This job also fits in with my hectic life and is only a 10 minutes drive from home. My bosses are great too, but I am just so fed up of the job. Could you maybe just fine a job to tide you over until you can decide what you really fancy doing? It sounds like you are stressed with your job, maybe a job where you can just turn up, to a days work and go home may be better for you. I did think about being a postwoman, I may still look into it. Just turn up, deliver the post, then go home. No high levels of stress or worry. Ruby" My mum was with a postie for about 5 years, and it sounded like a pretty high stress job to be honest. Really pretty tight delivery schedules along your route. That's only his experience of course, but still. | |||
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"I feel for you. I'm stuck in a job that I'm unhappy but just don't know what I would love to do. This job also fits in with my hectic life and is only a 10 minutes drive from home. My bosses are great too, but I am just so fed up of the job. Could you maybe just fine a job to tide you over until you can decide what you really fancy doing? It sounds like you are stressed with your job, maybe a job where you can just turn up, to a days work and go home may be better for you. I did think about being a postwoman, I may still look into it. Just turn up, deliver the post, then go home. No high levels of stress or worry. Ruby My mum was with a postie for about 5 years, and it sounded like a pretty high stress job to be honest. Really pretty tight delivery schedules along your route. That's only his experience of course, but still. " Perhaps depends where you're based, I imagine trying to meet tight schedules in some towns/cities would be horrendous. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke " Come and head up our IT dept - they are absolutely shite at times and so arrogant with it. One guy I refuse to speak to | |||
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"I always thought working in IT would be quite cool and non stressful. I know a lot of IT theory but not very much practical skills. " IT is a hugely broad umbrella of different industries though. Some are by their nature more stressful than others, but a lot comes down to the company you work with and the culture there. Plus on top of that, different people respond to different kinds of stresses, uh, differently. | |||
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"Make your hobby your job. Although that can make you resent your hobby a bit if you still hate the work. " I've sort of done this. The skills I use in my hobby, I'll be using in my new job, it's just far enough removed for me to keep enjoying my hobby. | |||
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"I found what I thought was my dream job working in a bike frame manufacturing company, the bosses where total twats and the job lost its appeal very quickly." I usually find it's the people that screw up a job. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke " (Mr here) I’d say you probably have two options. 1) Crack the books and up-skill to get up to date. If you have a good story on the process and methodology - then given the shortage of current skills you might be surprised. Spin the interview on how you can bring your wider experience to help with the role. Good planning is good planning and great tech alone skills don’t always guarantee good results. So experience can be transferable. 2) Consider going into project management, there’s a big shortage of people who actually properly understand the technical side and can plan and control a project well. Your management skills may well transfer to that kind of role and the currency of the technical hands on skills not as critical. All the best with your deliberation and search. Be brave and make the leap. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke " Why don’t you go contracting as a BA or PM , easy money and mostly outside of IR35. Contract rates even outside London are £500-£700 per day . You must be able to BA or PM with your experience ? | |||
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"I always thought working in IT would be quite cool and non stressful. I know a lot of IT theory but not very much practical skills. " There are many roles in IT that can be very stressful, especially those in management roles where you’re never really off the clock. Big budget projects that need to come in on time, or operational issues where a business system is down and has to come back up ‘or else’. These are just two examples. It can be very rewarding, exciting but at times and in the wrong place at the wrong time very stressful too… but ‘those times’ are also the opportunities if they are played right. Tis “all in the game” | |||
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"II have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. " I doubt that’s true. The people who promoted and recruited you did so because you were the best option they had at the time, it’s on them not you, just do the best you can and that enough. This is what I tell my staff when they struggle like this. Every role/company with have frustrations and pressure, But you get through it if you believe in the company and team so make sure your next company is a really good one, the role is irrelevant , I have taken pay cuts to get in the right companies | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke Why don’t you go contracting as a BA or PM , easy money and mostly outside of IR35. Contract rates even outside London are £500-£700 per day . You must be able to BA or PM with your experience ?" Since the government changed the rules recently, a large and growing number of companies will not employ contractors outside of IR35. If it is a direction you are thinking about then get some advice. | |||
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"Have a look at the IT contracting market if the perm world isn’t cutting it. Yes there are pro’s and cons but its much more flexible even with IR35. " It’s really picking up again , you can have employee status now and still earn a good daily rate , yes you have to pay 45% tax but still way better than a salary. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke Why don’t you go contracting as a BA or PM , easy money and mostly outside of IR35. Contract rates even outside London are £500-£700 per day . You must be able to BA or PM with your experience ? Since the government changed the rules recently, a large and growing number of companies will not employ contractors outside of IR35. If it is a direction you are thinking about then get some advice. " So I don’t work fir U.K. companies , but Im told can do it outside IR35 still in the U.K. or with employee status , pay tax & get benefits like paid holidays, sick leave, private healthcare etc | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke Why don’t you go contracting as a BA or PM , easy money and mostly outside of IR35. Contract rates even outside London are £500-£700 per day . You must be able to BA or PM with your experience ? Since the government changed the rules recently, a large and growing number of companies will not employ contractors outside of IR35. If it is a direction you are thinking about then get some advice. So I don’t work fir U.K. companies , but Im told can do it outside IR35 still in the U.K. or with employee status , pay tax & get benefits like paid holidays, sick leave, private healthcare etc " As I said a large and growing number of UK companies won't touch you if you are Outside IR35, Government have closed the contractor tax loophole. My comment was simply to say, if anyone is going down the contractor route, need to get good advice. | |||
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"I like my job at the moment but the pay is awful. As far as I can tell the most enjoyable ones usually pay dreadfully even though you work your backside off as hard if not harder. It's disillusioning. I'd love to get paid well for doing something I genuinely enjoy but I'm losing hope. " I think these are the jobs we call "vocations". We feel that we're actually making a positive impact on lives, society etc and in some cases (not all), the satisfaction of having that positive impact compensates somewhat for a lower salary. As in, people choose the job in SPITE of the pay. Obviously, we do all need to earn enough to live though. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke (Mr here) I’d say you probably have two options. 1) Crack the books and up-skill to get up to date. If you have a good story on the process and methodology - then given the shortage of current skills you might be surprised. Spin the interview on how you can bring your wider experience to help with the role. Good planning is good planning and great tech alone skills don’t always guarantee good results. So experience can be transferable. 2) Consider going into project management, there’s a big shortage of people who actually properly understand the technical side and can plan and control a project well. Your management skills may well transfer to that kind of role and the currency of the technical hands on skills not as critical. All the best with your deliberation and search. Be brave and make the leap. " Thanks for the suggestion, but one of the reasons I hate my current job so much is that I have been made a project manager. I'm a test manager and I have very little idea what I'm doing. I was just told one day that I'll be managingthree projects, despite having no background as a PM and I don't know anything about what these projects are delivering. I want less responsibility not more. I want to go down the hierarchy, not up it. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke (Mr here) I’d say you probably have two options. 1) Crack the books and up-skill to get up to date. If you have a good story on the process and methodology - then given the shortage of current skills you might be surprised. Spin the interview on how you can bring your wider experience to help with the role. Good planning is good planning and great tech alone skills don’t always guarantee good results. So experience can be transferable. 2) Consider going into project management, there’s a big shortage of people who actually properly understand the technical side and can plan and control a project well. Your management skills may well transfer to that kind of role and the currency of the technical hands on skills not as critical. All the best with your deliberation and search. Be brave and make the leap. Thanks for the suggestion, but one of the reasons I hate my current job so much is that I have been made a project manager. I'm a test manager and I have very little idea what I'm doing. I was just told one day that I'll be managingthree projects, despite having no background as a PM and I don't know anything about what these projects are delivering. I want less responsibility not more. I want to go down the hierarchy, not up it. " then tell who ever gave you that responsibility, Its not for you -Or fake it till you make it? xx good luck | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke " Contact the company that made you redundant and ask if they are recruiting again. Tell them that you loved the previous role that you had and would like the opportunity to work for them again. The worst you are going to get is a no. | |||
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"After making a few poor decisions with my landscape business I was forced to take on a mon to fri job which although when I started wasn't too bad, 2 years on and I loathe it too. Ive developed my hobby (lasers) into a business and am just at the very edge of it being my permanent job. Im running the odd big dance event but not enough to be able to comfortably move into it full time. Hating your job I have to say is awful, I cannot wait for the day I hand my notice in but until I get a club residency im stuck where I am. I feel for the OP, maybe have a frank talk to your manager and see what they say. Stressing about work is definitely not good for you. Best of luck " and your hatred for the current job is a motivation to move on. | |||
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"After making a few poor decisions with my landscape business I was forced to take on a mon to fri job which although when I started wasn't too bad, 2 years on and I loathe it too. Ive developed my hobby (lasers) into a business and am just at the very edge of it being my permanent job. Im running the odd big dance event but not enough to be able to comfortably move into it full time. Hating your job I have to say is awful, I cannot wait for the day I hand my notice in but until I get a club residency im stuck where I am. I feel for the OP, maybe have a frank talk to your manager and see what they say. Stressing about work is definitely not good for you. Best of luck and your hatred for the current job is a motivation to move on." So very true, I know the work im doing re the lasers is niche but it would be a dream job. The motivation to make that leap is huge, its resisting the urge to jump too soon. But on the bright side ive finally got to the point where I need one more cog to fall into place. | |||
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"I absolutely detest my job in IT. I have had six jobs in the last 10 years and I have hated all except one of them. Every day I wake up dreading what shit is going to be thrown at me and wondering how I'm going to get through it. The only job I quite liked I got made redundant from. I have been in management for a long time and I want to step down and do a more rank-and-file job, but my CV has management all over it so I don't know if I'd be taken seriously in a lower-hierarchy job. I don't have up-to-date skills and experience because being in management doesn't have me doing the day-to-day stuff. This is kind of ranty and rhetorical. I don't know if there is an answer. I'm just sick of the stress. I'd rather get paid less and not have so much aggro. It's not like I'm any good at what I do. I have done the classic thing of being promoted beyond my abilities. Maybe I should try a different area of IT, or get out of it completely? But how do I start again in a field I have no experience in and still earn enough to keep a roof over my head? Any ideas gratefully appreciated, but please no sympathy. Luke (Mr here) I’d say you probably have two options. 1) Crack the books and up-skill to get up to date. If you have a good story on the process and methodology - then given the shortage of current skills you might be surprised. Spin the interview on how you can bring your wider experience to help with the role. Good planning is good planning and great tech alone skills don’t always guarantee good results. So experience can be transferable. 2) Consider going into project management, there’s a big shortage of people who actually properly understand the technical side and can plan and control a project well. Your management skills may well transfer to that kind of role and the currency of the technical hands on skills not as critical. All the best with your deliberation and search. Be brave and make the leap. Thanks for the suggestion, but one of the reasons I hate my current job so much is that I have been made a project manager. I'm a test manager and I have very little idea what I'm doing. I was just told one day that I'll be managingthree projects, despite having no background as a PM and I don't know anything about what these projects are delivering. I want less responsibility not more. I want to go down the hierarchy, not up it. then tell who ever gave you that responsibility, Its not for you -Or fake it till you make it? xx good luck " He doesn’t need to fake it , it’s meant to be hard/challenging, you just have to find the rewards to match OP - there’s no going back to tech. Own the role, you should be the problem solver, solution/fix architect, projects manager and coach/mentor. It’s a completely different skill set but as notice above tech sectors need people that can do all this but also have a solid grasp of the tech. Developing people below you abs managing up effectively is very rewarding | |||
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