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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

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By *byeguysCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Paisley

Everyone has the right to an opinion. But I do think some should be kept to themselves. But that’s just my opinion

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

Opinions are fine….as long as they correlate with mine

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too."

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Everyone has the right to an opinion. But I do think some should be kept to themselves. But that’s just my opinion "

Beautiful

Some opinions when expressed are illegal. Are we still entitled to them? Where does this entitlement come from?

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But they aren't entitled to always express it without consequence and certainly aren't automatically entitled to express it through someone else's medium either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But they aren't entitled to always express it without consequence and certainly aren't automatically entitled to express it through someone else's medium either.

"

100% agree with this!

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Yes everyone can have an opinion. Just like the saying, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

Nobody should force their opinion though. And you shouldn't have to listen to their opinions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal"

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but they shouldn't be shocked if they face ridicule if it's not a popular opinion. The consequence of having an opinion is very different to having an opinion itself

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

I cringe when I hear "have the right" these days. Mainly because the people who claim it are people who are, quite frankly... fucking selfish skidmarks of humans who are deliberately awkward for the sake of it or some validating power kick.

As for opinions, I'm all for sharing providing they can give me a balanced reason, not some bullshit they read on the back of matchbox that got muddled up in translation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?"

What opinions are illegal?

Surely opinions are thoughts and feelings. Not actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?"

What opinions are illegall?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But they aren't entitled to always express it without consequence and certainly aren't automatically entitled to express it through someone else's medium either.

"

Agreed. The word entitled tho... by what right is this? Is it a human right? Where is this rule from originally?

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but not all opinions are worthy of discussion or even taking seriously.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

"

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegal?

Surely opinions are thoughts and feelings. Not actions. "

This

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I think everyone is entitled to an opinion.

But too many people get overtly opinionated on subjects/situations they know absolutely nothing about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Free speech should always be allowed, right or wrong, society as we know will fall apart when that fails, there can’t be a situation where people are being cancelled out because they don’t fit into somebody else’s thinking, you me everyone should be allowed to be listened to, if you believe it to be wrong then acknowledge they have expressed their opinion and walk away, unless you are David Dickinson then you will be largely ignored from the get go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?"

If they keep them to themselves yes, the keyword in that paragraph above is 'express' you can have an opinion but you don't have to express it

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Some people feel they are so entitled to have opinions that they don't concern themselves with having one of their own and just borrow everyone else's.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall? "

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries."

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?

If they keep them to themselves yes, the keyword in that paragraph above is 'express' you can have an opinion but you don't have to express it"

Ah ok. So everyone is entitled to have an opinion but not everyone is entitled to express their opinion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say definitely like it or not racist homophobic sexual shouldn't matter it's still only a opinion you can listen or decide not to it's still there opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free speech should always be allowed, right or wrong, society as we know will fall apart when that fails, there can’t be a situation where people are being cancelled out because they don’t fit into somebody else’s thinking, you me everyone should be allowed to be listened to, if you believe it to be wrong then acknowledge they have expressed their opinion and walk away, unless you are David Dickinson then you will be largely ignored from the get go "

What's different about David Dickinson?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done "

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?

If they keep them to themselves yes, the keyword in that paragraph above is 'express' you can have an opinion but you don't have to express it

Ah ok. So everyone is entitled to have an opinion but not everyone is entitled to express their opinion?"

Not if they are being derogatory, inflammatory or insulting no IMHO

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Free speech should always be allowed, right or wrong, society as we know will fall apart when that fails, there can’t be a situation where people are being cancelled out because they don’t fit into somebody else’s thinking, you me everyone should be allowed to be listened to, if you believe it to be wrong then acknowledge they have expressed their opinion and walk away, unless you are David Dickinson then you will be largely ignored from the get go

What's different about David Dickinson? "

He's a bit orange

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?"

Good point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?"

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?

If they keep them to themselves yes, the keyword in that paragraph above is 'express' you can have an opinion but you don't have to express it

Ah ok. So everyone is entitled to have an opinion but not everyone is entitled to express their opinion?

Not if they are being derogatory, inflammatory or insulting no IMHO"

I fully agree. Not everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am always happy to discuss anyone opinions until they realise I was right in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But they aren't entitled to always express it without consequence and certainly aren't automatically entitled to express it through someone else's medium either.

"

Absolutely this.

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland

There is a problem here though. If we take illegal opinions (inciting violence etc) and put that to one site. Who then decides what opinions are right and wrong? People with your opinion may be in power now but will they always be?

Take for example something like gay rights. Go back to the 1950s and argue for gay rights and you could have ended up in jail as they were the wrong and abhorrent opinions at the time.

If any of you ever get a chance listen to Ira Glasser speak about freedom of speech. Absolutely fascinating and I must say he changed my opinions on somethings.

Actually that's another point. I would also argue that if your opinion is unchangeable, even in the face of better data, then its not an opinion any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?

If they keep them to themselves yes, the keyword in that paragraph above is 'express' you can have an opinion but you don't have to express it

Ah ok. So everyone is entitled to have an opinion but not everyone is entitled to express their opinion?

Not if they are being derogatory, inflammatory or insulting no IMHO

I fully agree. Not everyone is entitled to express their opinion."

And you make the point above with your paedo Facebook group comment....

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Everyone entitled but that’s not a defence fit being an awful human being

Lots of isms hide behind opinion

I’m not racist, it’s just my opinion

I’m not sexist. It’s just my opinion

The idea that everyone’s allowed an opinion and you shouldn’t be offended by them is the last hurdle of defence for anyone with prejudices

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal "

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Opinions can't be illegal because the only you'll ever know what their opinion is if they express it.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I think so but that doesn’t mean their opinion should be without challenge. Be that legal or intellectually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions, unless it is derogatory, insulting or inflammatory.

But with that comes with the right for others to challenge those opinions... And you can choose to listen or not.

So we have an "unless". So we would say that some opinions we are not entitled to?

If they keep them to themselves yes, the keyword in that paragraph above is 'express' you can have an opinion but you don't have to express it

Ah ok. So everyone is entitled to have an opinion but not everyone is entitled to express their opinion?

Not if they are being derogatory, inflammatory or insulting no IMHO"

But who decides if it's derogatory, inflammatory or insulting?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Opinions can't be illegal because the only you'll ever know what their opinion is if they express it. "

I agree, it is expressing them inappropriately is the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right. "

If you don't have anything nice to say... is talking about people being nasty not people disagreeing with an idea. You can disagree without being nasty. I think anyway

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


" But who decides if it's derogatory, inflammatory or insulting?"

Often the laws of the land

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland


"The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right.

If you don't have anything nice to say... is talking about people being nasty not people disagreeing with an idea. You can disagree without being nasty. I think anyway"

I would argue there that the problem is too many people claim anyone who expresses a different opinion to them is being nasty. If someone is nasty or unpleasant is of course an opinion in and of itself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way! Some people should never have an opinion. People like me for an example!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Opinions can't be illegal because the only you'll ever know what their opinion is if they express it. "

So we would agree, then, that when someone says "I'm entitled to my opinion" in an argument about something they've posted. There are times when actually they're not entitled to their opinion?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I would argue there that the problem is too many people claim anyone who expresses a different opinion to them is being nasty. If someone is nasty or unpleasant is of course an opinion in and of itself"

Agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right.

If you don't have anything nice to say... is talking about people being nasty not people disagreeing with an idea. You can disagree without being nasty. I think anyway

I would argue there that the problem is too many people claim anyone who expresses a different opinion to them is being nasty. If someone is nasty or unpleasant is of course an opinion in and of itself"

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

It’s important to understand the difference between an opinion and a call to action

Opinion : all (race) are stupid

Call to action : so they shouldn’t be given jobs

It’s all an opinion, but the 2nd part is a call to action that could hurt people. That’s where you cross the line in my books

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can’t say something nice, then don’t say nothing at all - Thumper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?"

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right.

If you don't have anything nice to say... is talking about people being nasty not people disagreeing with an idea. You can disagree without being nasty. I think anyway

I would argue there that the problem is too many people claim anyone who expresses a different opinion to them is being nasty. If someone is nasty or unpleasant is of course an opinion in and of itself"

I hear about these people, but I've never met any. Disagreement can be expressed politely. It isn't always.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right.

If you don't have anything nice to say... is talking about people being nasty not people disagreeing with an idea. You can disagree without being nasty. I think anyway"

Nice is subjective so if everyone confined themselves to only saying nice things, sychophancy would reign supreme.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"So we would agree, then, that when someone says "I'm entitled to my opinion" in an argument about something they've posted. There are times when actually they're not entitled to their opinion?"

My opinion is that there is a big difference between someone holding an opinion and posting something unpleasant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

"

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

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over a year ago


" But who decides if it's derogatory, inflammatory or insulting?

Often the laws of the land "

Are you happy with the state deciding what they are?

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over a year ago

Hi guys iam in Watford can accommodate anyone wants to cum over x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The old adage of " If you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing at all" is a load of bull because nodding and agreeing with what everyone else says without challenge will never change anything. Entitlement to an opinion is one thing but just because it's a popular opinion doesn't mean it's right.

If you don't have anything nice to say... is talking about people being nasty not people disagreeing with an idea. You can disagree without being nasty. I think anyway

Nice is subjective so if everyone confined themselves to only saying nice things, sychophancy would reign supreme. "

I argued tooth and nail with Nora and Rose today. I think you'll find both of them would say I had been nice and polite at all times. At least, I bloody hope so

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


" But who decides if it's derogatory, inflammatory or insulting?

Often the laws of the land

Are you happy with the state deciding what they are?"

In some cases yes.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Hi guys iam in Watford can accommodate anyone wants to cum over x"

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Your rights to express your opinion need to be balanced against others rights to not be threatened or attacked , this is his rights work.

Until very recently you had rights to hold any view and not express it publicly but in recent times thought crime is now punishable so be careful what you think or discuss privately , it can land you in jail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" But who decides if it's derogatory, inflammatory or insulting?

Often the laws of the land "

Yep, the laws which protect people from hate speeches and radicalisation, along with discrimination laws in national and local policy to workplace policies, code of conduct, anti bullying to mention just a few

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times..."

I dont think thats illegal unless you openly directed it somebody

I dont think it should be illegal to say those things anyway. Stuff like that should always just be challenged in the open.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

I dont think thats illegal unless you openly directed it somebody

I dont think it should be illegal to say those things anyway. Stuff like that should always just be challenged in the open. "

In the UK yes that is illegal, it’s classed as hate speech

In the US it woukdnt be

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

I dont think thats illegal unless you openly directed it somebody

I dont think it should be illegal to say those things anyway. Stuff like that should always just be challenged in the open. "

I don't know with that one, but yeah I'd rather it was in the open.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Something that does bother me is people that state their opinion as fact.

See the Covid threads

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By *toC Thats MeWoman
over a year ago

Sheffield

They are. But just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean you should always share it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

I dont think thats illegal unless you openly directed it somebody

I dont think it should be illegal to say those things anyway. Stuff like that should always just be challenged in the open.

In the UK yes that is illegal, it’s classed as hate speech

In the US it woukdnt be "

Noted...

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

It's my opinion that the OP is ignoring me. But I still you

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Something that does bother me is people that state their opinion as fact.

See the Covid threads "

Or the fact that a lot of people hold an opinion makes it scientifically correct. It doesn't. See moon landings / flat earth society.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's my opinion that the OP is ignoring me. But I still you "

Never! Anyway I just replied to you as you can see. Takes me a while for my fat thumbs to get through a thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. No one is entitled to indemnity from any consequences of airing those opinions.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Or the fact that a lot of people hold an opinion makes it scientifically correct. It doesn't. See moon landings / flat earth society."

Yes that too.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"It's my opinion that the OP is ignoring me. But I still you

Never! Anyway I just replied to you as you can see. Takes me a while for my fat thumbs to get through a thread. "

I know, I just wanted to 'argue' nice

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion. No one is entitled to indemnity from any consequences of airing those opinions. "

That wins for me

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland


"Something that does bother me is people that state their opinion as fact.

See the Covid threads "

Thats a real bugbear of mine as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times..."

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They are. But just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean you should always share it."

I think I am drawing the conclusion, from this maelstrom of speculation, that we are not entitled to opinions per se. Some opinions are so vile they have to be hidden away in our thoughts. Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is no defence for having posted something nasty.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws"

And in effect, illegal then. So we are not entitled to express that opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too."

I would say everyone is entitled to have an opinion, but everyone is also entitled to be offended by an opinion. So if you’ve said something that has offended someone you should not be surprised when they something back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws

And in effect, illegal then. So we are not entitled to express that opinion."

Then express it I guess but be prepared to deal with the consequences of that expression

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws

And in effect, illegal then. So we are not entitled to express that opinion."

Not here in the UK. The US has freedom of speech laws so as long as it isn’t a call to action you can voice your opinions freely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws

And in effect, illegal then. So we are not entitled to express that opinion.

Not here in the UK. The US has freedom of speech laws so as long as it isn’t a call to action you can voice your opinions freely. "

Interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are. But just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean you should always share it.

I think I am drawing the conclusion, from this maelstrom of speculation, that we are not entitled to opinions per se. Some opinions are so vile they have to be hidden away in our thoughts. Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is no defence for having posted something nasty. "

But 'nasty' is subjective.

I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I think I am drawing the conclusion, from this maelstrom of speculation, that we are not entitled to opinions per se. Some opinions are so vile they have to be hidden away in our thoughts. Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is no defence for having posted something nasty. "

I think we are entitled to them, we are not always entitled to share them.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact. "

Oh no they weren't...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That got serious quickly...

I was going to lead off with "when I want your opinion, I'll tell you what it is", but in the spirit of the thread...

Part of the problem is about who holds the opinion; if I'm just me to whom about 4 people actually listen, I can pretty much think and say what I like. But if I'm, say Donald Trump, Elon Musk or Kim Kardashian, the audience for my opinion is wildly different.

Equally, holding an opinion may just make me wrong. Proselytising my opinion potentially makes me fall foul of the law (free speech be damned).

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws"

I can’t imagine anyone would think that a valid topic for debate isn’t secretly a racist. This type is racial superiority pseudoscience has a history in genocides , far worse than someone just disliking a race even without knowing why (ignorance) , but trying to justify it with fake science is very dangerous

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They are. But just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean you should always share it.

I think I am drawing the conclusion, from this maelstrom of speculation, that we are not entitled to opinions per se. Some opinions are so vile they have to be hidden away in our thoughts. Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is no defence for having posted something nasty.

But 'nasty' is subjective.

I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact. "

I mean the ones that have to be hidden away as thoughts as prev discussed. Fact. Pfffft. Why I oughta.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws

I can’t imagine anyone would think that a valid topic for debate isn’t secretly a racist. This type is racial superiority pseudoscience has a history in genocides , far worse than someone just disliking a race even without knowing why (ignorance) , but trying to justify it with fake science is very dangerous "

Agreed, all genocides I would imagine.

Someone once said to me "you can't lock people up cause they don't like black people". I said "I think you should be able to if they go around saying it". I think that law is in place now so you can. Not really sure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"That got serious quickly...

I was going to lead off with "when I want your opinion, I'll tell you what it is", but in the spirit of the thread...

Part of the problem is about who holds the opinion; if I'm just me to whom about 4 people actually listen, I can pretty much think and say what I like. But if I'm, say Donald Trump, Elon Musk or Kim Kardashian, the audience for my opinion is wildly different.

Equally, holding an opinion may just make me wrong. Proselytising my opinion potentially makes me fall foul of the law (free speech be damned)."

I like your second paragraph!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact.

Oh no they weren't... "

Ohhh yes they were...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact.

Oh no they weren't... "

Seconded

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Of course everyone us entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Nobody has to pay any attention to other people's options.

Cal

I pretty much agree with you. I'm just exploring an idea. Some opinions are illegal tho. Are we still entitled to them then? If they are against the law?

What opinions are illegall?

Some children need sexual attention. An opinion convicted paedos seem to hold. At least the ones I've seen on documentaries.

Yeah but they are not in prison or been convicted because of an opinion

But because of acts they have done

I think they would be arrested if they formed a Facebook group that expressed that opinion. No?

If it was just a facebook group talking about it probably not, no. I doubt it would be around long though.

If they started sharing CP through it then yeah that would be illegal

Are racist opinions posted online not considered hate crimes too?

Yeah they are. But i dont think calling somone racist slurs on facebook is the same as having an opinion. You have acted on that opinion to be a dick. Its not exactly the same as the peado example

What about the opinion that black people are not as intelligent as white? It's been said many times...

If that was said to an individual it would would slander, if it was expressed openly to others it would come under hate speech and racism laws

I can’t imagine anyone would think that a valid topic for debate isn’t secretly a racist. This type is racial superiority pseudoscience has a history in genocides , far worse than someone just disliking a race even without knowing why (ignorance) , but trying to justify it with fake science is very dangerous

Agreed, all genocides I would imagine.

Someone once said to me "you can't lock people up cause they don't like black people". I said "I think you should be able to if they go around saying it". I think that law is in place now so you can. Not really sure."

Not in America

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too."

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Many of my own opinions have changed due to someone else's opinion/viewpoint.

I believe all opinions should be listened to, and challenged when clearly wrong/dangerous.

The problem arises when someone's opinions are so deeply entrenched they are unable to see the path they're treading.

It's clearly evidenced minute by minute on two other forums here.

Social media doesn't help foster good critical thinking, confirmation bias is a thing. Cults recruit from people like this.

Some people's opinions are easily swayed.

I'll happily debate an opinion. Something I think our higher seats of learning don't encourage anymore, or maybe less so than in my day, is to hold the opposing view. I'm also happy to change my opinion in the face of greater/better/higher learning/information.

Two ears, one mouth. Should be used in that ratio. Unfortunately social media denies that premise.

IMHO obvs.

Winston

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm sure there are many people in the world that don't like Caucasians.

I also believe that with discriminatory comments there is always the option to not let things get to you.

Easier said than done for many I appreciate.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Many of my own opinions have changed due to someone else's opinion/viewpoint."

Yes very much so for me too. Though that's another issue. Many can argue but not debate.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and always has been regardless of when you went to school. How people choose to act upon your opinion is the more important issue.

The only difference the internet/technology has brought is the ability for people to voice their opinions, and to some extent seek validation from others, as well as make it easier for like minded folk across the world to connect with others that share their points of view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course everyone should have an opinion. Whether it is actually their own, or just regurgitated, whether they can justify with a rationale or just spout bollocks, it doesn't really matter. It will teach you most of what you need to know about them, which is invaluable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and always has been regardless of when you went to school. How people choose to act upon your opinion is the more important issue.

The only difference the internet/technology has brought is the ability for people to voice their opinions, and to some extent seek validation from others, as well as make it easier for like minded folk across the world to connect with others that share their points of view."

Regardless of when I went to school? Does this imply the entitlement has always been in place or just from a certain point in history? Who enshrined this entitlement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't matter if they're entitled.

They'll have them anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Of course everyone should have an opinion. Whether it is actually their own, or just regurgitated, whether they can justify with a rationale or just spout bollocks, it doesn't really matter. It will teach you most of what you need to know about them, which is invaluable."

Ha! Fair point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too.

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Many of my own opinions have changed due to someone else's opinion/viewpoint.

I believe all opinions should be listened to, and challenged when clearly wrong/dangerous.

The problem arises when someone's opinions are so deeply entrenched they are unable to see the path they're treading.

It's clearly evidenced minute by minute on two other forums here.

Social media doesn't help foster good critical thinking, confirmation bias is a thing. Cults recruit from people like this.

Some people's opinions are easily swayed.

I'll happily debate an opinion. Something I think our higher seats of learning don't encourage anymore, or maybe less so than in my day, is to hold the opposing view. I'm also happy to change my opinion in the face of greater/better/higher learning/information.

Two ears, one mouth. Should be used in that ratio. Unfortunately social media denies that premise.

IMHO obvs.

Winston

"

Wholeheartedly agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah, I just don't need to agree or respect it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yeah, I just don't need to agree or respect it."

Definitely not. What a strange world that would be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course everyone should have an opinion. Whether it is actually their own, or just regurgitated, whether they can justify with a rationale or just spout bollocks, it doesn't really matter. It will teach you most of what you need to know about them, which is invaluable."

What if they are describing an alternate opinion as devil's advocate?

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

An opinion is not a fact.

As soon as you go public on anything you can expect opinions from the audience

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny


"Regardless of when I went to school? Does this imply the entitlement has always been in place or just from a certain point in history? Who enshrined this entitlement?"

I would say that as soon as something is able to form an opinion, then because there is no way to suppress the formulation of that opinion, it is entitled to make it.

The UN considers it a human right to be able to have an opinion without fear of discrimination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In England (and also Scotland but different rules) you're not entitled to some opinions.

If you express your opinion on certain issues it could be prosecuted as a hate crime or recorded as a hate incident. Largely these apply to protected characteristics such as disability or race. 120,000 "non-crime hate incidents" were recorded between 2014-19. You are not informed if one is recorded against you but it will show up in a criminal background check.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8006275/Police-record-120-000-cases-non-crime-hate-incidents.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact.

Oh no they weren't...

Ohhh yes they were... "

Ur asking to start a war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opinions are thoughts, so, we aren't given permission to have thoughts, we just have them.

Whether we should express those opinions or not is another matter and a wide ranging subject.

The ability to debate peacefully would be a good start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have opinions.

Those opinions are always open for debate and I actively enjoy having them challenged and on occasion changed.

It’s my opinion that every opinion should be open to debate.

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

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By *igmaMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Opinion are like arseholes…. everyone has one

Some arseholes are more appealing than others

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion but they shouldn't be shocked if they face ridicule if it's not a popular opinion. The consequence of having an opinion is very different to having an opinion itself "
This .

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion but they shouldn't be shocked if they face ridicule if it's not a popular opinion. The consequence of having an opinion is very different to having an opinion itself This ."
For example, if one have another opinion of covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have opinions.

Those opinions are always open for debate and I actively enjoy having them challenged and on occasion changed.

It’s my opinion that every opinion should be open to debate."

The problem is when people start to lose the debate..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have opinions.

Those opinions are always open for debate and I actively enjoy having them challenged and on occasion changed.

It’s my opinion that every opinion should be open to debate."

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Is everyone entitled to an opinion? The Internet seems to think so. I was never taught this fact in school. Is this a new idea? I've heard many opinions that are offensive, nasty and downright criminal. Is it a person's right to have these opinions anyway? Regardless of their content?

I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions on the matter. Humour fully intended there and encouraged in your comments. Intellectual musings very welcome too."

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

But expressing offensive opinions is not free from consequences.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Yes of course they are! My first hubby didnt think so he used to say to me if u not got something sensible to say then keep quite! In other words if u dont agree with him it's not a valid opinion! That said I do think it's best not to say stuff that u know will offend individuals just my thoughts x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's just that some opinions deserve to be ridiculed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes of course they are! My first hubby didnt think so he used to say to me if u not got something sensible to say then keep quite! In other words if u dont agree with him it's not a valid opinion! That said I do think it's best not to say stuff that u know will offend individuals just my thoughts x"

He sounds like a dick.

Not allowed to have opinions unless they agree with that person's opinions is not a good place to be.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Yes of course they are! My first hubby didnt think so he used to say to me if u not got something sensible to say then keep quite! In other words if u dont agree with him it's not a valid opinion! That said I do think it's best not to say stuff that u know will offend individuals just my thoughts x

He sounds like a dick.

Not allowed to have opinions unless they agree with that person's opinions is not a good place to be.

"

He was! He was very controlling! I was stupid enough to belive everything he said to me! And shd have broke away sooner but hey ho live and learn x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In England (and also Scotland but different rules) you're not entitled to some opinions.

If you express your opinion on certain issues it could be prosecuted as a hate crime or recorded as a hate incident. Largely these apply to protected characteristics such as disability or race. 120,000 "non-crime hate incidents" were recorded between 2014-19. You are not informed if one is recorded against you but it will show up in a criminal background check.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8006275/Police-record-120-000-cases-non-crime-hate-incidents.html"

That is absolutely fucking nuts, isn't it....a non hate crime....Jesus wept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and a mature debate amongst those with different opinions can be interesting and enlightening.

That does not mean we say can what we please with no thought or consideration for others.

An offensive opinion should be kept to yourself (in my opinion )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe in "rights". There's can be done and can't be done. Can't be done is stuff like turn gravity off, move faster than the speed of light etc etc. Everything else falls in the can be done category.

The important thing to remember with can be done is everything has a consequence. Whether I belive you have a right to an opinion or not is irrelevant, you are capable of forming an opinion and capable of expressing it. What you can't do is choose the consequences for expressing it.

Mr

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"I don't believe in "rights". There's can be done and can't be done. Can't be done is stuff like turn gravity off, move faster than the speed of light etc etc. Everything else falls in the can be done category.

The important thing to remember with can be done is everything has a consequence. Whether I belive you have a right to an opinion or not is irrelevant, you are capable of forming an opinion and capable of expressing it. What you can't do is choose the consequences for expressing it.

Mr"

You don’t believe in rights? I do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and a mature debate amongst those with different opinions can be interesting and enlightening.

That does not mean we say can what we please with no thought or consideration for others.

An offensive opinion should be kept to yourself (in my opinion )"

I think the issue we have nowadays is confusion over what exactly constitutes an offensive opinion. For many it's simply an opinion which differs from theirs. Similarly, "bigot" now appears to mean "someone whose opinion is different".

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and a mature debate amongst those with different opinions can be interesting and enlightening.

That does not mean we say can what we please with no thought or consideration for others.

An offensive opinion should be kept to yourself (in my opinion )

I think the issue we have nowadays is confusion over what exactly constitutes an offensive opinion. For many it's simply an opinion which differs from theirs. Similarly, "bigot" now appears to mean "someone whose opinion is different"."

The correct meaning of the word “bigot” is pretty clear, but I agree that it is sometimes used too freely.

The line between what is deemed offensive and not offensive is constantly evolving, and that happens through sharing opinions, debate, legislation etc

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and a mature debate amongst those with different opinions can be interesting and enlightening.

That does not mean we say can what we please with no thought or consideration for others.

An offensive opinion should be kept to yourself (in my opinion )

I think the issue we have nowadays is confusion over what exactly constitutes an offensive opinion. For many it's simply an opinion which differs from theirs. Similarly, "bigot" now appears to mean "someone whose opinion is different"."

Not at all! Think it's very obvious when an opinion is offensive!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and a mature debate amongst those with different opinions can be interesting and enlightening.

That does not mean we say can what we please with no thought or consideration for others.

An offensive opinion should be kept to yourself (in my opinion )

I think the issue we have nowadays is confusion over what exactly constitutes an offensive opinion. For many it's simply an opinion which differs from theirs. Similarly, "bigot" now appears to mean "someone whose opinion is different".

Not at all! Think it's very obvious when an opinion is offensive! "

We obviously disagree with different types of people then.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Haven’t read the thread but in answer to the question I personally don’t think they are.

For example, someone is going through something you never have gone through, someone is living a life you have never as to live. How can anyone possibly be entitled to an opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about. They will say they are but to me those opinions mean nothing. How can they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble as I see it is that too often these days opinions are mistaken for, or taken as, fact by one group with an agenda, especially with respect to science. You only have to look at what has happened the in the last 2 years. It's clearly fuelled by social media. The Trump era of 'alternative facts' is still here and getting worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haven’t read the thread but in answer to the question I personally don’t think they are.

For example, someone is going through something you never have gone through, someone is living a life you have never as to live. How can anyone possibly be entitled to an opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about. They will say they are but to me those opinions mean nothing. How can they?"

That's a good way of looking at it actually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember.. your opinion is none of my business.

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By *andering Welsh GuyMan
over a year ago

All over the place

Yes, but it doesn't mean that are right

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By *0lden0ldieMan
over a year ago

Stewartby

Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion.

The problem comes in expressing it.

There are ways of expressing opinions without being hurtful.

Personally I think opinions should be expressed as I and everyone else is doing here. That way those opinions can be challenged. If they are derogatory then challenging them may just change that persons opinion.

Well that’s my opinion anyway. Feel free to challenge it.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny


"Haven’t read the thread but in answer to the question I personally don’t think they are.

For example, someone is going through something you never have gone through, someone is living a life you have never as to live. How can anyone possibly be entitled to an opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about. They will say they are but to me those opinions mean nothing. How can they?"

They may be ill informed opinions, lacking any substance or experience, but the person is still entitled to them. In my opinion, the issue is more around how much value we give to the opinions of others and how we as individuals come to that conclusion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opinions are like arseholes: we all know everyone has one, but we don't need to be forcibly exposed to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haven’t read the thread but in answer to the question I personally don’t think they are.

For example, someone is going through something you never have gone through, someone is living a life you have never as to live. How can anyone possibly be entitled to an opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about. They will say they are but to me those opinions mean nothing. How can they?

They may be ill informed opinions, lacking any substance or experience, but the person is still entitled to them. In my opinion, the issue is more around how much value we give to the opinions of others and how we as individuals come to that conclusion.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"The trouble as I see it is that too often these days opinions are mistaken for, or taken as, fact by one group with an agenda, especially with respect to science. You only have to look at what has happened the in the last 2 years. It's clearly fuelled by social media. The Trump era of 'alternative facts' is still here and getting worse. "

The trump era had been such a damaging development, inventing stories, presenting them as “alternative facts”, and presenting allegations with zero evidence. All in the hope that people will believe some of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't believe in "rights". There's can be done and can't be done. Can't be done is stuff like turn gravity off, move faster than the speed of light etc etc. Everything else falls in the can be done category.

The important thing to remember with can be done is everything has a consequence. Whether I belive you have a right to an opinion or not is irrelevant, you are capable of forming an opinion and capable of expressing it. What you can't do is choose the consequences for expressing it.

Mr

You don’t believe in rights? I do "

Not at all. For instance who would I speak to when my right to liberty is curtailed by a tree falling on my legs and trapping me? Rights were invented in order to improve the way people are treated but I believe the invention could have been better. Instead of giving people universal rights we should have given them universal responsibilities. We have the responsibility to treat people fairly, to uphold law etc etc. Far too many people bang on about their rights which we as a species have invented - very few consider their responsibilities to others.

Of course, the fact I don't believe in them in no way affects everyone else and the world will carry on with enough people acting as though the fiction is real to make it so. I don't believe the piece of plastic in my wallet with a picture of the queen on has any real intrinsic value either but enough people do that I can act as though I believe it aswell.

Mr

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Really interesting chat. I shall be pondering much of this for a while.

Well done everybody.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always believed in ' If you don't believe in freedom of speech for your enemy, then you don't believe in it at all.'

By the same token, I also live by 'I respect that you have a belief, but I don't have to respect what you believe'

It's gotten my this far.

Short answer. yes. Everyone is entitled to one.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But they aren't entitled to always express it without consequence and certainly aren't automatically entitled to express it through someone else's medium either.

"

Agree with this. I'd also add that opinions will never trump facts - everyone is free to interpret however they want, but facts are sacrosanct.

Personally I think opinions are like orgasms: mine is incredibly important and I don't care whether you have one.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I might say the Beatles were shit and be called nasty. Others would say it's just fact.

Oh no they weren't...

Ohhh yes they were...

Ur asking to start a war "

It's my opinion

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Really interesting chat. I shall be pondering much of this for a while.

Well done everybody. "

Great thread topic too

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

Yes they can have an opinion but everyone else had a right to judge them on that opinion. So if say on Fab you are racist or homophobic etc I will block you.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Haven’t read the thread but in answer to the question I personally don’t think they are.

For example, someone is going through something you never have gone through, someone is living a life you have never as to live. How can anyone possibly be entitled to an opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about. They will say they are but to me those opinions mean nothing. How can they?

They may be ill informed opinions, lacking any substance or experience, but the person is still entitled to them. In my opinion, the issue is more around how much value we give to the opinions of others and how we as individuals come to that conclusion.

"

Oh I know people will always say they’re entitled to one but in my view I don’t believe they are and I’ve said as much to people when they’ve absolute no idea of something. I also don’t believe I’m entitled to an opinion on something I know absolutely nothing about.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Haven’t read the thread but in answer to the question I personally don’t think they are.

For example, someone is going through something you never have gone through, someone is living a life you have never as to live. How can anyone possibly be entitled to an opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about. They will say they are but to me those opinions mean nothing. How can they?"

This is a very good point! One of my brothers thinks he can have an opinion on one of my daughters who is transgender he knows nothing of her struggles he wears blinkers! But that said spose he still can have an opinion even if its totally bigoted and mean x

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