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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ?" Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? " Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. " Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. " “ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill. The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.” I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. | |||
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"ive always said that to save a species, convice peopl to eat them, look at howmany cows and sheep there are, very few whales, maybe we should eat them too" didn't work for the dodo and what about the state of the cod population? | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. “ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill. The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.” I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. " What nonsense... Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ... | |||
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"ive always said that to save a species, convice peopl to eat them, look at howmany cows and sheep there are, very few whales, maybe we should eat them too" Perversely this is why we have national parks. (Originally formed by hunters in Africa). Doesn't really excuse it today though. | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. “ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill. The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.” I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. What nonsense... Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ..." Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient” | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. “ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill. The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.” I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. What nonsense... Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ... Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient” " Legal classifications aside. If you’ve ever spent any time on a farm then you’d know that a cow or sheep are at least as sentient as a octopus!  | |||
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"And if this goes ahead these science types will seek to genetically modify these poos octopuses. Longer legs etc.. and then they escape . Frankenstein food " Watch out sharks. | |||
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"And if this goes ahead these science types will seek to genetically modify these poos octopuses. Longer legs etc.. and then they escape . Frankenstein food Watch out sharks. " They’re going to give them covid vaccine and watch them grow propellers and wings! | |||
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"I’m not going to eat anything that is likely to be smarter than me! " Are you a vegan?  (meant in the best of festive hilarity) | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. “ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill. The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.” I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. What nonsense... Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ... Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient” Legal classifications aside. If you’ve ever spent any time on a farm then you’d know that a cow or sheep are at least as sentient as a octopus! "Whilst not wishing to stereotype myself, note location | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ? Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. “ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill. The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.” I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. What nonsense... Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ... Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient” Legal classifications aside. If you’ve ever spent any time on a farm then you’d know that a cow or sheep are at least as sentient as a octopus!
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"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases " Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals. Plants eat animals. Bacteria eats us all in the end. Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it. | |||
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"I prefer squid to octupuses personally ... Not sure which are the most abundant. They are probably related with all those legs..." Not for me Tom, the inky buggers. | |||
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" I'm sure if scientists did 300 studies on any creature, they would see it too. " Weird that none of them would have done that already. Have you told Attenborough? | |||
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"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals. Plants eat animals. Bacteria eats us all in the end. Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it." The logic of that being that humans should stop thinking?... | |||
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"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals. Plants eat animals. Bacteria eats us all in the end. Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it. The logic of that being that humans should stop thinking?..." Judging by the actions displayed during the pandemic a lot of them have already. | |||
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"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals. Plants eat animals. Bacteria eats us all in the end. Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it." Humans are one of a very few species that farms other species for food and the only species to do so that is capable of tailoring the methods used to reduce suffering. Nature is full of examples of predatory behaviour that is bound to cause distress and suffering but we alone have the ability to consuder how we can reduce this. I have no objection in principle to farming octopi as long as it is done in a way that reduces the level of stress on the animals to the same as their native environment (where they are also taken as prey, killed and eaten by other creatures). However I find the way this company is refusing disclose its methods very worrying though I understand there is a large commercial advantage to doing so. I'm also concerned about the sourcing of food to feed the octopi, our oceans are already being plundered in unsustainable ways to feed not just people directly but indirectly and far less efficiently through the ever growing aquaculture industry. It's all very well touting the environmental benefits of farmed octopi saving the wild ones but slightly less convincing when a) it is used as a way to increase the overall amount eaten and b) this increase is fed by stripping creatures from wild habitats and feeding them to the farmed animals. Mr | |||
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"Salmon farming has its bad points and no doubt this will not end well either... What the hell will they farm next ?" I'm happy to be Soylent Green Tom ....... | |||
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"This story is all over the news.. And if this goes through them what else will these buggers farm ? Snails perhaps?" That’s slow news.. | |||
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"I can't work out why if an animal is Intelligent that we can't farm them..." You'd need to ask an intelligent animal about that | |||
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"Bulls are intelligent Ask one of them then "There were two bulls on top of a hill. One old bull and one young bull.. The young bull says, Let's run down the hill and mount one of those cows.. The old bull says no . Let's walk down the hill and mount the lot.. Now you are saying that bulls are stupid.. ? | |||
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"Bulls are intelligent Ask one of them then
There were two bulls on top of a hill. One old bull and one young bull..
The young bull says, Let's run down the hill and mount one of those cows..
The old bull says no .
Let's walk down the hill and mount the lot..
Now you are saying that bulls are stupid.. ?"I'm saying that's bull shit | |||
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"Went to a sushi restaurant a couple of months ago and had some octopus, honestly it's chewey but tastes great just like squid "Do you prefer squid or octupus.. They are obviously related | |||
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"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental.. Arnt we all " My dog isn't sentimental. He only cares about food, warmth and sleep. I've tried waxing lyrical with him about the good old times but he's just not interested in nostalgia. | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ?" Mmmm BBQ octopus with just the squeeze of lemon.. | |||
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"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental.. Arnt we all " I think all animals are far more self-aware than we like to think but would not stop me from eating one. | |||
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"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental.. Arnt we all My dog isn't sentimental. He only cares about food, warmth and sleep. I've tried waxing lyrical with him about the good old times but he's just not interested in nostalgia. " That's dogs for you... | |||
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"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental.. Arnt we all My dog isn't sentimental. He only cares about food, warmth and sleep. I've tried waxing lyrical with him about the good old times but he's just not interested in nostalgia. That's dogs for you..." no dogs love you, reminds me of an old joke. man has a dog and cat, both are watching him put up a shelf, dog says oohhh your so clever wagging its tail, cat says that shelfs pissed and saunters off | |||
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"All animal farming should be banned. So cruel. " So is digging holes for veg. Worms hate it. | |||
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"All animal farming should be banned. So cruel. So is digging holes for veg. Worms hate it." Great argument | |||
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"I learned an Interesting thing about monkeys in captivity yesterday that may change some minds here" That was a secret! You’re not supposed to tell anyone. Otherwise everyone will want free site supporter status! | |||
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"I learned an Interesting thing about monkeys in captivity yesterday that may change some minds here" If you give them typewriters eventually they will type the works of Shakespeare? | |||
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"I do wonder what could be the outcome of herding these buggers together.. If they are as intelligent as it is claimed they will join forces foreshore" Intelligence and mass gatherings mean nothing. Millions gather with sophisticated communication networkers daily. And spend it talking about who’s going to win a dancing competition or whether the size of tits or penis makes a difference to global warming! I sincerely doubt a few octopi are going to cause a rift in the space and time! They might start an interesting thread by grown men in the south of england can’t afford shoes though | |||
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"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food. Anybody a fan of this ?" Why not? We eat other living things. I'll be eating octopus tomorrow night for Xmas Eve dinner.  | |||
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"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild? I don't know the answer to that." We all know the answer to that one... | |||
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"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild? I don't know the answer to that. We all know the answer to that one..." I don't. What is the answer Tom ? | |||
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"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild? I don't know the answer to that." If you were meat for aliens, would you rather live free as a human until they captured you or be kept from birth in an artificial environment and impregnated so that you will produce young and milk then have your young taken from you and then be killed when you can no longer produce young or milk or if you get ill and costly ? You could be one of the lucky ones that is blindfolded at birth and bled every so often to keep your flesh nice and pale for those that pay big bucks to eat tender white baby meat... It's good to have a choice | |||
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"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild? I don't know the answer to that. If you were meat for aliens, would you rather live free as a human until they captured you or be kept from birth in an artificial environment and impregnated so that you will produce young and milk then have your young taken from you and then be killed when you can no longer produce young or milk or if you get ill and costly ? You could be one of the lucky ones that is blindfolded at birth and bled every so often to keep your flesh nice and pale for those that pay big bucks to eat tender white baby meat... It's good to have a choice" It’s always better to hunt than farm, the meats much leaner too and not pumped full of ABI’s but just not possible in cities | |||
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"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild? I don't know the answer to that. If you were meat for aliens, would you rather live free as a human until they captured you or be kept from birth in an artificial environment and impregnated so that you will produce young and milk then have your young taken from you and then be killed when you can no longer produce young or milk or if you get ill and costly ? You could be one of the lucky ones that is blindfolded at birth and bled every so often to keep your flesh nice and pale for those that pay big bucks to eat tender white baby meat... It's good to have a choice" They do similar to asparagus but that's not deemed cruel .. | |||
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" It’s always better to hunt than farm, the meats much leaner too and not pumped full of ABI’s but just not possible in cities" Which animals have you hunted? | |||
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