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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Who is going to win today

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Who is going to win today "

Liberty Media.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Respectful fast driving I hope...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Max for me I’m not a Lewis fan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Bee Gees

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By *eardedman7Man
over a year ago

Berkshire

Come on Max, it’s been a great championship

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By *ue and robCouple
over a year ago

ware

Think max and Lewis will come together at some point and both be knocked out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Max hopefully

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By *inkyfilthymindMan
over a year ago

Berks / Heathrow

Max is going well in a car that isn’t the fastest. As someone said earlier, whoever wins, the sport will do well.

I can’t wait for lights out and Lewis to get a quick start

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

Hoping it’s Lewis

cannot bloody wait!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lewis hopefully. Would laugh if Max tries to take Lewis out and only succeeds in taking himself out.

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By *he_Last_TitanMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Normally, I don't really follow F1. But I'm interested today, because there is a British driver in a fight for a championship and it depends on this one race, so I'll watch it.

However, I get the impression that this sport isn't really about support for nationalities, rather teams and drivers? So to many (I guess) the nationality of the driver / team doesn't matter? I.e., a win for Hamilton isn't seen as a win for Britain over the Dutch / Flemish, like it would be perhaps in another sport.

Just interested really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Normally, I don't really follow F1. But I'm interested today, because there is a British driver in a fight for a championship and it depends on this one race, so I'll watch it.

Just interested really. "

Not really no

I kinda support RedBull/Honda because RedBull is in MK and Honda Bedford

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By *aughty_Smooth_OperatorMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Think Max will win it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think max and Lewis will come together at some point and both be knocked out "

Good call. It could well get settled in the stewards room, although I’d much rather it was done on the track with a compelling race

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lewis on strategy, max has shit tyres and a first pit stop window dropping him behind Bottas. He’ll either need to two stop or rely on some serious luck to overcome the 1 stop starting on the best tyre..

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Ten minutes til start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as I'd like Lewis to win, it's too hard to call! Just hope both race clean & fair ????

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Who is going to win today

Liberty Media."

I agree.

As a neutral I hope it is a great race and I think both Max and Lewis have great claims to be World Champion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come on Lewis !!!

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By *amie HantsWoman
over a year ago

Atlantis

This was so chaotic

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Gotta say Mercedes lost that one ... well done verstappen

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

That was a joke!!!

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

FUCK YES!!!!!

That would have been a travesty if Max hadn't won that one, top quality overtake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happened, its confused me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That was a joke!!!"

Definitely!! Never seen such a farce!

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By *amie HantsWoman
over a year ago

Atlantis

"That was a joke!!!"

Yep!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Either would be worthy but to lose it like that will hurt..

Did look chaotic..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes Max

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought Lewis was so far ahead. So how did it end up with a one lap race ?

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By *dsmithMan
over a year ago

Loudwater

Mercedes will protest that result. I fear this championship will be decided in the courts in a couple of months time.

But for now ….. MV33.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Lewis should have come in for a fresh set of soft tyres

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was certainly entertaining, it'll be interesting to see if the rules were followed, only letting 5 cars through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mercedes will protest that result. I fear this championship will be decided in the courts in a couple of months time.

But for now ….. MV33.

Unfortunately that will probably happen. Why they didn't let all the lapped cars through or just finish the race under the safety car baffles me!

Well don MV tho, can't take this season's results away!

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By *hristopherd999Man
over a year ago

Brentwood

Max won

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First time watching F1 in a long time. Is it racing or just a TV show? I'll stick to bikes where its down to the rider. Proper racing, wheel to wheel

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

OMG what a season well done Max !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm

You kinda just knew that there’d be some controversy in the final reckoning.

Fair play to Max and Red Bull, a title isn’t won over one lap. Twists and turns through 2022 have led to a slightly confusing situation at the end but they’ve earned it as much as Lewis and Mercedes would have done had they have been on the right end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea of the rules but seems a bit staged. A fix.

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By *ustyshowoffCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

I don't follow F1 so I'm not really bothered but I'm glad it wasn't Hamilton

Mark

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

"Hmm

You kinda just knew that there’d be some controversy in the final reckoning.

2021.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't follow F1 so I'm not really bothered but I'm glad it wasn't Hamilton

Mark"

If you don't follow F1 how can you say that??

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By *D of funCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

Rather watch paint dry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmm

You kinda just knew that there’d be some controversy in the final reckoning.

2021.

Good spot

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

"Thought Lewis was so far ahead. So how did it end up with a one lap race ? "

Latifi crashed so safety car and bad FIA decisions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Justice was done for the first lap overtake by max

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By *usseylickerMan
over a year ago

taunton

Yes you are right ??

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I think that was probably the right outcome for the season. Lewis and father showed class by congratulating Max.

The stewards have made a lot of “interesting “ decisions over the season and I think both sides have benefited and been penalised equally. For it to come down to literally a few metres over the entire season is entirely fitting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So much for the stewards not deciding it. They just handed it to him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *moothshaftMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"First time watching F1 in a long time. Is it racing or just a TV show? I'll stick to bikes where its down to the rider. Proper racing, wheel to wheel"

Dead right, well said. Give me bsb, wsb, and motogp anytime!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I won't be watching F1 again . What a farce . Rules seem to be very stretched and interpretation was made so Max would win . Never seen that happen in any race before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much for the stewards not deciding it. They just handed it to him. "

Exactly!!

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"Well I won't be watching F1 again . What a farce . Rules seem to be very stretched and interpretation was made so Max would win . Never seen that happen in any race before "

Must have missed the first lap then?

seen numerous times where that would have been both investigated and ruled a safe overtake, with a change of position

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ooh… the fact they let some of the lapped cars to overtake but not all of them is going to be the point that is challenged….

I don’t think this is over yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not a lewis fan but he was robbed there agree with _abio i dont think this is over yet ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TV spectacle over fair race but that's the F1 way. Harsh way to end a season though.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Agree with Damon Hill.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Shame it ends like that. 2 good drivers deserve better than some of the inconsistent stewarding and race direction this season they had as much influence as the brilliant drivers. Congrats to the winner. Either would have deserved it.

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By *ovelifelovefuntimesMan
over a year ago

Where ever I lay my hat

Integrity and fair play sacrificed for TV drama. Gutted for Hamilton who was so gracious in defeat, but well done Red Bull on the gamble and well done Veratappen.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

If hamilton and max crashed and both out of the race at the end....would hamilton have been champion because of fastest lap extra point..not a regular watcher of F1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If hamilton and max crashed and both out of the race at the end....would hamilton have been champion because of fastest lap extra point..not a regular watcher of F1"

Not if he doesn't finish in the top 10 xx

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By *ulldog_71Man
over a year ago

Sedgefield

Don't think it will end yet according to the regs all lapped cars should be let passed and the safety car should come in at the end of the following lap not the same lap.

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By *uminsiderMKMan
over a year ago

St Austell

A fairer solution under the circumstances would been to have sent all the lapped cars through the Pit Lane, as has happened on occasion in Indy Car - gets them out of the way and straight to the back of the pack without un-necessary delays...

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

Protest in by merc

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The FIA won’t rule against them selves

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By *rSmith9Man
over a year ago

Norwich/London

How about how sad it is that Kimi didn’t get to finish his final F1 race

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

On the upside, it's going to make a great episode of Drive to Survive!

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By *he_Last_TitanMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Can’t be good for F1 this. What a farce.

Also, I’m not sure how satisfying a win that was for M-V.

Still, Hamilton was absolutely class in his congratulations of Red Bull and MV. Certainly one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Integrity and fair play sacrificed for TV drama. Gutted for Hamilton who was so gracious in defeat, but well done Red Bull on the gamble and well done Veratappen."

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I don't follow F1 so I'm not really bothered but I'm glad it wasn't Hamilton

Mark"

Well there's an erudite contribution!

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"Can’t be good for F1 this. What a farce.

Also, I’m not sure how satisfying a win that was for M-V.

Still, Hamilton was absolutely class in his congratulations of Red Bull and MV. Certainly one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time. "

Guarantee, wouldn't have been like that the other way round!

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By *he_Last_TitanMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"I don't follow F1 so I'm not really bothered but I'm glad it wasn't Hamilton

Mark"

Bit uppity?

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By *umslaveTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

Shocking race stewarding by Massi at the end. ALL lapped cars must be let through then the safety car comes in the following lap reg 39.12.

He fucked it royally. Doubt Merc will win the appeal even though he got the rules completely wrong.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"Shocking race stewarding by Massi at the end. ALL lapped cars must be let through then the safety car comes in the following lap reg 39.12.

He fucked it royally. Doubt Merc will win the appeal even though he got the rules completely wrong."

Agree, to back track now would make F1 look very silly.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"On the upside, it's going to make a great episode of Drive to Survive! "

That entire series from about imola onwards is going to be epic…. You could make a sub series on the final race alone…..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Let’s hope we get a rush 2 film from this season

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"On the upside, it's going to make a great episode of Drive to Survive!

That entire series from about imola onwards is going to be epic…. You could make a sub series on the final race alone….."
That's a good shout. Maybe a feature length episode.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

What did I miss? Lewis was leading by ten seconds with a few laps to go and I nodded off.

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By *adbod74Man
over a year ago

Dudley

That was an excellent end to an amazing season, and for me max winning was very much deserved, a 1 lap shoot out came down to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Casual observer of F1, tuned in today out of interest, most likely the last time I do, seems like a complete fix. Someone might have to explain, but Verstappen is 11 seconds down, then gets luxury of new tyres ( because he had nothing to lose so came in for them) and all of the cars that were in his way removed, whereas Hamilton had previously had to race around them. What exactly does Hamilton get to level all of this out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, a fascinating and contraversial end to the race. In my humble, the stewards got it completely wrong; not sure if they can back track and reverse the result as it would look ridiculous. Both drivers have been exceptional this season and it did not deserve to end like this; may be a sour victory for MV, but equally if the Mercedes appeal is sucessful not sure how LH will feel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Casual observer of F1, tuned in today out of interest, most likely the last time I do, seems like a complete fix. Someone might have to explain, but Verstappen is 11 seconds down, then gets luxury of new tyres ( because he had nothing to lose so came in for them) and all of the cars that were in his way removed, whereas Hamilton had previously had to race around them. What exactly does Hamilton get to level all of this out?"

We'll put, totally agree. What a farce

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Can't see the decision being overturned but can see why Mercedes are not happy..

No harm to clarify to those making the decisions that they either abide by their own rules or if grey areas they have some sort of idea they can revert back to in their own rules..

What has been a season of high drama and two people worthy of winning has ended up with the whole thing looking a bit inept..

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

There's a really bang of WWE wrestling off F1 at the moment. Entertainment above all else.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I didn’t see the race as I didn’t realise it was on Channel 4 so I ended up watching the snooker on Quest.It sounds like Lewis may have been robbed and I believe Mercedes are appealing.Either way Ladbrokes have paid me out £185 on the £100 I had on Max to win the F1 championship back in June.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not a F1 fan at all (despite being a massive sports fan) . The sport just seems riddled with controversy and that just puts me right off. I remember the days of Prost, Senna etc . In those days things just seemed ‘cleaner’.

It’s a little bit like football for me. I find I am watching it less and less as nearly every game now has a big VAR decision or a big refereeing decision that has had a bearing on the result. We seem to hear more about that than the actual game. I found football much more enjoyable in the 80s / 90s. I have actually become a huge fan of watching womens football of late . Yes you can argue that the skill level may not be as high but it’s honest . No rolling around and cheating trying to get each other sent off. Now they just need to work on the competition levels. Scores of 7 or 8 nil are quite rife. Sorry OP . I digressed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like my sport but F1 is not one, I got caught up in the hype and decided to watch it. If Ronnie had got through in the snooker. I may never have watched it.

As an outsider to the sport of F1. Probably watch once in a blue moon it looked fixed from start to finish. As someone said before a bit like wwf or is it wwe, these days.

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By *dsmithMan
over a year ago

Loudwater

"Either way Ladbrokes have paid me out £185 on the £100 I had on Max to win the F1 championship back in June."

I’d withdraw that £185 quickly before they try and recoup it off you.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

"Either way Ladbrokes have paid me out £185 on the £100 I had on Max to win the F1 championship back in June.

I’d withdraw that £185 quickly before they try and recoup it off you. "
. I have left about £3 in the Ladbrokes’s account as it wouldn’t surprise me if they want it back.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can't see the decision being overturned but can see why Mercedes are not happy..

No harm to clarify to those making the decisions that they either abide by their own rules or if grey areas they have some sort of idea they can revert back to in their own rules..

What has been a season of high drama and two people worthy of winning has ended up with the whole thing looking a bit inept.."

Totally agree.. If they want a Hollywood finish make a Holywood movie. I've only watched the last 3 races and all of them have made stuff up as they go along to suit who shouts loudest. Short term gain maybe but doesn't do the sports credibility any good at all.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"That was an excellent end to an amazing season, and for me max winning was very much deserved, a 1 lap shoot out came down to it. "

Hardly a shoot out was it? Would have been if they both had fresh tyres though.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"That was an excellent end to an amazing season, and for me max winning was very much deserved, a 1 lap shoot out came down to it.

Hardly a shoot out was it? Would have been if they both had fresh tyres though. "

Good point, and what many of the Hamilton detractors who crticise his talent because he has a better car forget is that Verstappen effectively won the race because he had better tyres!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Paddy Power paying out on Lewis Hamilton winning both that Grand Prix and also the championship.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I don't see how the can overturn the decision or change the result because that also seems very unfair on Max too.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

One protest booted out.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"Who is going to win today "

Netflix won big time!

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"I’m not a F1 fan at all (despite being a massive sports fan) . The sport just seems riddled with controversy and that just puts me right off. I remember the days of Prost, Senna etc . In those days things just seemed ‘cleaner’.

I think Suzuka in 1989 would suggest that it was certainly not “cleaner”.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"One protest booted out. "

It was the protest about verstappen being ahead of Hamilton at the safety car start when Lewis in effect would have been the safety car…

The whole safety car start procedure is the big one to untangle…..

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"One protest booted out.

It was the protest about verstappen being ahead of Hamilton at the safety car start when Lewis in effect would have been the safety car…

The whole safety car start procedure is the big one to untangle….."

Did anyone else notice Verstappen seemed to have all 4 wheels off the track in the last corner ??

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

It stands.

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

"It stands.

Yes till it goes to court.

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

"Paddy Power paying out on Lewis Hamilton winning both that Grand Prix and also the championship. "

Well done paddy I have my paddy power boxers on now

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"It stands.

Yes till it goes to court.

They are saying the rule wasn’t applied properly… but the race director has the power to pull in the safety car whenever he wants and that has the override….

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I know nothing about motor racing, but if you want me to take it seriously, under no circumstances should a guy that’s leading a race by circa 20 seconds with a third of the race left be at a tactical disadvantage.

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By *ryant2018Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

I know nothing about F1 , but the race in Baku ( set precedent ) they changed that today . I don’t think that’s correct x

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

Michael Massi to lose his job

Regulation 48.8

Regulation 48.12

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who is going to win today

Netflix won big time!

That's the only time I watch it. Can't wait for the next season

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both protests thrown out now!

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"Who is going to win today

Netflix won big time!

That's the only time I watch it. Can't wait for the next season

Neither can I! The backstage intrigue will be delicious to see

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By *alphy187Man
over a year ago

cambridge

Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Suzuka in 1989 would suggest that it was certainly not “cleaner”."

I certainly take your point in board. Maybe it’s just me but in those days that was the exception to the rule IMO. Nowadays every other race is controversial. This season was a good case in point. Maybe it’s just the sheer amount of money being pumped into sport that it seeks to be win at all costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel there needs to be big rule changes over interaction between bosses and the race director ‘during’ a race. The lobbying, wheeling dealing has been a disgrace.

Leave the job of stewarding to the stewards. They tell the director if something is to be penalised. Not the director sending an incident up to the stewards for ‘investigation’. Leave the director to simply control the safety aspects of the Grand Prix, and apply and penalty’s as they’re awarded to drivers.

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By *ewismixedbbcMan
over a year ago

birmingham

Massey robbed Mercedes that simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch"

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

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over a year ago

As the eagle eyed among you may have guessed by my username, I’m a big fan of motor sport in general.

I don’t get people getting all partisan though. It’s not football. What happened, happened and that’s motor racing.

It was an incredible twist at the end of an incredible season and just proves it’s not over until it’s over.

Reminds me of the #5 Toyota breaking down on the very last lap of the 2016 Le Mans 24 hours whilst comfortably leading and handing victory to Porsche.

It ain’t over until it’s over and motor racing is cruel but also brilliant all at the same time.

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

If it had not been for the 3 safety cars it was the only way red bull where going to win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Btw this is the only reason anyone will remember Nicholas Latifi in 20 years time.

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke."

Who was the aggressor into the first turn ? Max as he knew he would not beat Lewis and was luck with 3 safety cars or would of been 5 seconds well clear at the finish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

Who was the aggressor into the first turn ? Max as he knew he would not beat Lewis and was luck with 3 safety cars or would of been 5 seconds well clear at the finish"

Talking about luck, if you browse Hamiltons luck of good fortune in the past if he fell in shit he would smell of roses.

Can't wait until he gets put in an uncompetitive car again next year and he will be a petulant midfielder blaming everyone else for their decisions.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

However they judge it they should apply the same technology, process and punishments if needed to all races through the season... Not just change the rules depending on who it is and who gets on the trumpet to the big cheese first.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"As the eagle eyed among you may have guessed by my username, I’m a big fan of motor sport in general.

I don’t get people getting all partisan though. It’s not football. What happened, happened and that’s motor racing.

It was an incredible twist at the end of an incredible season and just proves it’s not over until it’s over.

Reminds me of the #5 Toyota breaking down on the very last lap of the 2016 Le Mans 24 hours whilst comfortably leading and handing victory to Porsche.

It ain’t over until it’s over and motor racing is cruel but also brilliant all at the same time. "

I get what you mean about that le man… but everyone knew the rule is 24hrs plus 1 lap, and you have to complete that one lap!!!

In this situation they are basically acknowledging that the rules wasn’t applied properly, because if it has that race wouldn’t have restarted, but race director has power to change that rule…. Which then makes all the politicking seem really really unseemly…. As it look like red bull and Horner got massi to change his mind and then toto objected…

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

Who was the aggressor into the first turn ? Max as he knew he would not beat Lewis and was luck with 3 safety cars or would of been 5 seconds well clear at the finish

Talking about luck, if you browse Hamiltons luck of good fortune in the past if he fell in shit he would smell of roses.

Can't wait until he gets put in an uncompetitive car again next year and he will be a petulant midfielder blaming everyone else for their decisions.

Just like his karting days when he cleaned up in a far in superior car

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By *axtanMan
over a year ago

los Cristianos now

Does anyone smell a rat?

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

"Does anyone smell a rat?

There’s a rat in mi kitchen,There’s a rat in my kitchen

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"One protest booted out.

It was the protest about verstappen being ahead of Hamilton at the safety car start when Lewis in effect would have been the safety car…

The whole safety car start procedure is the big one to untangle…..

Did anyone else notice Verstappen seemed to have all 4 wheels off the track in the last corner ??"

Not as much as i noticed Hamilton having all 4 off the track on the first lap and gaining ground, having left the door wide open for Max, who was in front at the apex and had the racing line

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

Both have been booted out keep up

They have 96 hours to make a appeal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Total circus - where was the sport?

I used to love F1 but now turned into a spectacle

A bit like WWF on wheels

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke."

But your synopsis fails on a significant point, the team with the best car want the best person to drive it..'anyone' can't manage an F1 supermachine to it's peak performance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

But your synopsis fails on a significant point, the team with the best car want the best person to drive it..'anyone' can't manage an F1 supermachine to it's peak performance. "

Uncanny then how George Russell rocked up as a last minute replacement last year for Lewis and would have won were it not for a puncture. Lewis has been in the right team at the right time for far too many years and bottas being his bitch for far too long.

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By *rilogyMan
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Karma for 2008 when he won thanks to a dodgy Glock slowing down, Max even slightly slower car proved he is the man now

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

A sad day for Mika Hakkinen not finishing his last F1 race. Great to see he was awarded driver of the day and a standing ovation from the stand.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch"

The funny thing is if Hamilton gave the place back he wrongly took on the first lap he may well have been in Max’s position. Karma is a bitch lol.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"A sad day for Mika Hakkinen not finishing his last F1 race. Great to see he was awarded driver of the day and a standing ovation from the stand. "

Mika wasn’t in the race Kimi was lol

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Karma for 2008 when he won thanks to a dodgy Glock slowing down, Max even slightly slower car proved he is the man now"

The modern day retelling of aesops fabled tortoise and the hare?

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By *ripodius WillyusMan
over a year ago

Colne

Dont give a shite tbh.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

But your synopsis fails on a significant point, the team with the best car want the best person to drive it..'anyone' can't manage an F1 supermachine to it's peak performance.

George Russell isn't 'anyone' either. Do you think he would have performed badly in a Red Bull?

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I think Suzuka in 1989 would suggest that it was certainly not “cleaner”.

F1 has always been like that. Hunt and Lauda were hardly buddies. Schumacher and his ban for trying to take Villeneuve out in 1997 or maybe Schumacher and Hill at Adelaide in 1994?

I think you are looking at the world through rose tinted spectacles.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

But your synopsis fails on a significant point, the team with the best car want the best person to drive it..'anyone' can't manage an F1 supermachine to it's peak performance.

Incidentally Hamilton has driven consistently well for nearly 15 years, a feat in itself..and he wasn't always in best car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

But your synopsis fails on a significant point, the team with the best car want the best person to drive it..'anyone' can't manage an F1 supermachine to it's peak performance.

George Russell isn't 'anyone' either. Do you think he would have performed badly in a Red Bull?"

Worse than he did in the Merc.

Count how many of Hamiltons overtakes are straight line DRS aided and there's very little skill involved. I'm not saying he's a bad driver just don't think he deserves the plaudits he gets, and as for getting a knighthood its a joke.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Karma for 2008 when he won thanks to a dodgy Glock slowing down, Max even slightly slower car proved he is the man now

The modern day retelling of aesops fabled tortoise and the hare? "

To be honest, the finish was a farce. It ruined the race entirely.

I personally think that safety cars destroy races anyway, but in this case the random decision to only allow the cars between Lewis and Max pass the safety car so that Max and Lewis could "race" (with Max's huge advantage) was blatantly the wrong thing to do.

Mercedes are right to be cross, but I don't see the result being changed.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Karma for 2008 when he won thanks to a dodgy Glock slowing down, Max even slightly slower car proved he is the man now

The modern day retelling of aesops fabled tortoise and the hare?

To be honest, the finish was a farce. It ruined the race entirely.

Mercedes are right to be cross, but I don't see the result being changed.

Cal"

Safety car rules should go back to the early 90s where the time you were ahead or the gap to the car behind was calculated and added to your time, stops the likes of dodgy going one like piquet jnr purposely crashing to aid Renault

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Dont give a shite tbh. "

The editor thanks you for your contribution

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Karma for 2008 when he won thanks to a dodgy Glock slowing down, Max even slightly slower car proved he is the man now

The modern day retelling of aesops fabled tortoise and the hare?

To be honest, the finish was a farce. It ruined the race entirely.

Mercedes are right to be cross, but I don't see the result being changed.

Cal

Personally I think: if VSC isn't enough, then it should be a red-flag. Cars line up in the order they are in (including lapped cars) and when it's safe to race, they are released one at a time at the time intervals that were present when they stopped... and no working on the car or changing tyres.

Cal

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Personally I think: if VSC isn't enough, then it should be a red-flag. Cars line up in the order they are in (including lapped cars) and when it's safe to race, they are released one at a time at the time intervals that were present when they stopped... and no working on the car or changing tyres.

Cal"

I like this idea but what should actually happen is that the cars line up in race order and then depart at their alloted slots. The only reason you have lapped cars in the way is because the track is too small for a complete race and your idea would be a good way of unwinding that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right man won. No punishment on first lap for Hamilton. So pay backs a bitch

Completely agree, watched F1 for over 30 years avidly but the last few years have been boring as watching paint dry.

Put me in a Lamborghini and watch me race off at a set of traffic lights against a robin reliant,hardly call it a race or skillful.

Christian Horner said it how it was after last week's race, anyone can drive fast in a straight line but takes a skilled driver in the corners! This GOAT for Hamilton is a joke.

But your synopsis fails on a significant point, the team with the best car want the best person to drive it..'anyone' can't manage an F1 supermachine to it's peak performance.

George Russell isn't 'anyone' either. Do you think he would have performed badly in a Red Bull?

Worse than he did in the Merc.

Turkish GP, 2020

Hamilton was in a class of his own, in heavy rain on slippery, recently re laid tarmac. Bottas in the same car finished 14th after many spins.

Verstappen and Albon in the Red Bulls were also nowhere, a distant 6th and 7th, in the admittedly tricky RB16.

It was an utter masterclass and probably the best drive Hamilton has had in his career.

Not very skillful? Hardly.

Again I don’t get why people get so partisan. That’s not motor racing. When you see something really special/memorable like that unfold just enjoy it.

Today’s race will be talked about in 20 years easily.

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By *enuine MikeMan
over a year ago

Guildford

Michael Massi won today and the sporting world of Formula One lost out BIG time.

The decision and lack of charity during the SC was a farce, a joke and shambolic.

Massi gifted the title to Max, that requires zero skill.

Mercedes protest was thrown out but I do hope they have their day or days in the court of arbitration

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By *akie32Man
over a year ago

winchester

this is the problem when a sport is sold to an entertainment company, the sport side of things goes out the window, its all about viewers etc, and it seems to has worked as look we are talking about it, do i think what happened was rigged, absolutly, but i think Massy was a pown in all this, and im sure he wont be around next year, its a shame, as ive worked in motor racing all my life, and never seen anything like it, but if thats what the public whant etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have lost a lot of respect for Micheal Masi this year tbh.

The decisions he has made this year have at times seemed completely random. The negations for re start grid positions in Saudi were an utter joke for example.

Shame as he took no prisoners when he was race director in V8 Supercars and kept a few big Aussie personalities in check.

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By *kmale201633Man
over a year ago

Southampton

So a race on a circuit that purely got the last race rights due to money, was ruined by a driver crashing that only got his place on the grid due to money, which has caused money money money money.

And ironically the biggest loser is the guy who has fought up from a non money background.

Money.

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By *akie32Man
over a year ago

winchester

"So a race on a circuit that purely got the last race rights due to money, was ruined by a driver crashing that only got his place on the grid due to money, which has caused money money money money.

And ironically the biggest loser is the guy who has fought up from a non money background.

Money. "

i dont see a driver on the grid who hasnt come from a well off family, if your talking about Hamalton, well i know the family, and did before his rise as a star, they werent poor

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By *kmale201633Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"So a race on a circuit that purely got the last race rights due to money, was ruined by a driver crashing that only got his place on the grid due to money, which has caused money money money money.

And ironically the biggest loser is the guy who has fought up from a non money background.

Money.

i dont see a driver on the grid who hasnt come from a well off family, if your talking about Hamalton, well i know the family, and did before his rise as a star, they werent poor"

Have you messaged them? They must be fuming/devastated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like it was levelling up for the mistake earlier in the race.

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By *cplsMan
over a year ago

Nr Waltham

I think you have been watching too many Hollywood F1 films. Hunt & Lauda were and remained very good friends but fierce rivals on the track. Lauda even gave up the race in Japan allowing James to win the WC. They were good friends in F3 and continued until death to remain good friends.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"I think you have been watching too many Hollywood F1 films. Hunt & Lauda were and remained very good friends but fierce rivals on the track. Lauda even gave up the race in Japan allowing James to win the WC. They were good friends in F3 and continued until death to remain good friends."

Lauda dropped out of the Japanese race because the weather was atrocious and he thought it was too dangerous. He didn’t drop out to let Hunt win because he was his friend.

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By *cplsMan
over a year ago

Nr Waltham

Lauda dropped out of the Japanese race because the weather was atrocious and he thought it was too dangerous. He didn’t drop out to let Hunt win because he was his friend."
You're right there, it was the weather but it was not win at all costs. I had the pleasure to meet them both, Lauda at BRM and James in the Brabham suite at Brands...I raced single seaters for 30 years and still race!

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By *antasyrealmCouple
over a year ago

Congleton

Cheating Hamilton lost. Whooop.

Get on with it...... a new era begins

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Cheating Hamilton lost. Whooop.

Get on with it...... a new era begins "

Odd post as ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheating Hamilton lost. Whooop.

Get on with it...... a new era begins "
,

At last someone to put him in his place...

Is this the end for Mr H?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

The new and simplified rule. Book is below.

1)the race director can do what he wants at any moment.. So stay awake

2} obey all the rules.

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

So with both protests dismissed, can it still be taken to court ?

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By *tefe-MartyCouple
over a year ago

Cambs

I agree with Coultard

The rules are way to complicated it's not about motor racing any more it's about who can stretch the rules with their lawyers help.

Will add the funniest reply i have seen which may upset some people but please take it for what it is a joke in a bad situation

It wasn't an overtake Lewis just took 57 laps to give the place back

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By *offee and KinksCouple
over a year ago

Notts/Derby

"Will add the funniest reply i have seen which may upset some people but please take it for what it is a joke in a bad

It wasn't an overtake Lewis just took 57 laps to give the place back "

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"this is the problem when a sport is sold to an entertainment company, the sport side of things goes out the window, its all about viewers etc, and it seems to has worked as look we are talking about it, do i think what happened was rigged, absolutly, but i think Massy was a pown in all this, and im sure he wont be around next year, its a shame, as ive worked in motor racing all my life, and never seen anything like it, but if thats what the public whant etc"

I don’t buy the suggestion that this was staged in any way or that the media company that own f1 are enjoying this in any way. All of the publicity is negative, with lots of people saying it is a joke and that they won’t watch f1 any more.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So a race on a circuit that purely got the last race rights due to money, was ruined by a driver crashing that only got his place on the grid due to money, which has caused money money money money.

And ironically the biggest loser is the guy who has fought up from a non money background.

Money. "

If you dont think Max can drive a car you are mad

There is a reason hes one of the best drivers in IRacing aswell

And Hamiltons family is certainly not poor plus having all his karting paid for by Mclaren

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheating Hamilton lost. Whooop.

Get on with it...... a new era begins "

Ah, the racist couple are back!

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"Cheating Hamilton lost. Whooop.

Get on with it...... a new era begins

Ah, the racist couple are back!"

His answer you replied to has no mention of race in it. Where does your comment come from.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

I enjoyed the spectacle...just as I enjoyed the sailing at the beginning of the year...but. I certainly wouldn't waste my money on a pay per view Event...watching a bunch of rich kids playing with their fabulously expensive toys and spitting their dummies if they don't get their own way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheating Hamilton lost. Whooop.

Get on with it...... a new era begins

Ah, the racist couple are back!

His answer you replied to has no mention of race in it. Where does your comment come from. "

Another thread on Hamilton a few days ago where they were spreading unfounded hate towards him and the fact he drove a German car (even though the team are based in the UK, but anyway).

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Great season, loved the drama, I enjoyed the CH4 coverage too. Icing on the cake would have been a Hamilton win.

Next season is going to be great with Russell in the team, that is going to be a spectacle for sure!

Finally, I can't wait for the Netflix F1 documentary to hit the screens.

It has been a season to remember

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By *dsmithMan
over a year ago

Loudwater

I’ve heard that Red Bull’s 2022 car will be fuelled by Hamilton fan’s tears.

There’s enough to keep Max’s and Checo’s cars going for seasons to come.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Cal

But then, the cars behind would have the advantage of not having to pass back markers that others needed to. Nobody should get any advantage from a stoppage

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By *akie32Man
over a year ago

winchester

"So a race on a circuit that purely got the last race rights due to money, was ruined by a driver crashing that only got his place on the grid due to money, which has caused money money money money.

And ironically the biggest loser is the guy who has fought up from a non money background.

Money.

i dont see a driver on the grid who hasnt come from a well off family, if your talking about Hamalton, well i know the family, and did before his rise as a star, they werent poor

Have you messaged them? They must be fuming/devastated

think they have enough on thier plate now, altho do have lewis number and antonys

(closed, thread got too big)

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