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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X" Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'  | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.' "Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders. The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders. Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'
Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders.
The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders.
Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy"Apologies | |||
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"The only kind of people that broadcast this information tend be attention seekers or very shallow." There are a lot of them about. | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'
Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders.
The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders.
Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy
Apologies "It’s a common thing and until fairly recently I held the same view as yourself until I looked further into it. There are a lot of ‘politics’ around the labels and terminology which many find confusing, not to mention the etymology of the word bisexual is misleading. In real terms, many bisexuals don’t care about gender and many who call themselves pansexual aren’t attracted to ‘any’ gender. I’ve found that the two terms are interchangeable and it’s a case of finding out what a person’s individual sexuality is/what it means to them | |||
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"It strikes me that we have this desperate urge to attribute a label to everything. Honestly it goes far beyond my capability to remember all the various terms which have been popularised in the last 5-10 years. Ultimately - in my opinion at least - it should boil down to consenting adults, living their lives how they choose. Live and let live and all that. "  | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'
Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders.
The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders.
Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy
Apologies
It’s a common thing and until fairly recently I held the same view as yourself until I looked further into it.
There are a lot of ‘politics’ around the labels and terminology which many find confusing, not to mention the etymology of the word bisexual is misleading.
In real terms, many bisexuals don’t care about gender and many who call themselves pansexual aren’t attracted to ‘any’ gender. I’ve found that the two terms are interchangeable and it’s a case of finding out what a person’s individual sexuality is/what it means to them
"Fair point, any label can't fit everyone. 
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"It strikes me that we have this desperate urge to attribute a label to everything. Honestly it goes far beyond my capability to remember all the various terms which have been popularised in the last 5-10 years. Ultimately - in my opinion at least - it should boil down to consenting adults, living their lives how they choose. Live and let live and all that. " Exactly this! Like I genuinely don’t even know if I even have the bi label because I am rarely fully attracted to guys (just in it for the dick haha!) but I find girls sooo much more attractive but I probably wouldn’t date one Pretty much whenever anyone asks on a night out etc I’m like “just fuckin bent aren’t i?”  | |||
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"It strikes me that we have this desperate urge to attribute a label to everything. Honestly it goes far beyond my capability to remember all the various terms which have been popularised in the last 5-10 years. Ultimately - in my opinion at least - it should boil down to consenting adults, living their lives how they choose. Live and let live and all that. " People in the majority always have labels they can identify with. Nobody is obligated to label themselves if they don't want to but for many people, they help them to understand themselves and to feel some validation for the way they feel. I know for me that it was comforting to know that enough people felt the way I did that labels existed for certain things. It was hard growing up feeling like an outsider because it felt like I was different to everyone else. | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'
Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders.
The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders.
Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy"I think that's true and not true at the same time. The "bi" in bisexual literally means two, so was referring to two genders by definition. But I guess that was from a time before we made a conscious effort to recognise people don't always fit in those two categories, so pansexual is definitely more inclusive. But I'm sure you're right that most bisexual people would not have been so literal in who they were attracted to, and for those it encompassed the ability to find people of any gender attractive (tho' of course I can't speak for all bisexual people). Hope this doesn't come across as trying to be patronising as it's not - I'm very much in the "each to their own" camp as others have said - it's always up to you what labels you choose for yourself, if any. Speaking personally, I've never thought to describe myself as pansexual but I probably should... | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'
Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders.
The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders.
Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy
I think that's true and not true at the same time. The "bi" in bisexual literally means two, so was referring to two genders by definition. But I guess that was from a time before we made a conscious effort to recognise people don't always fit in those two categories, so pansexual is definitely more inclusive. But I'm sure you're right that most bisexual people would not have been so literal in who they were attracted to, and for those it encompassed the ability to find people of any gender attractive (tho' of course I can't speak for all bisexual people). Hope this doesn't come across as trying to be patronising as it's not - I'm very much in the "each to their own" camp as others have said - it's always up to you what labels you choose for yourself, if any.
Speaking personally, I've never thought to describe myself as pansexual but I probably should..."I've seen a definition of "same and other" which personally makes sense to me as a bisexual person. I've never felt a need to change to pansexual but that doesn't mean I'm only attracted to the gender binary and I know many bisexual people feel the same. Personally I've heard pansexual people describe themselves as gender blind. Personally I'm attracted to male and female presenting people in different ways so I don't identify with that phrase which is possibly why I haven't identified with the label. | |||
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"The gender clinic explained this to me when one of my daughters was going through her transgender assessment I still dont get why it's not same as bisexual? X Bisexual is attraction to 2 genders. (Male/ female) 'Pansexuality is the romantic, emotional, and/or sexual attraction to people regardless of their gender. Like everyone else, pansexual people may be attracted to some people and not others, but the gender of the person does not matter. People of any gender identity can and do identify as pansexual.'
Bisexual has never been exclusionary of other genders.
The definition has always been attraction to two or more genders.
Pansexuality as a term has sprang up fairly recently because some believed that bisexuality didn’t sound inclusive enough. The definition of only being two is a fallacy
I think that's true and not true at the same time. The "bi" in bisexual literally means two, so was referring to two genders by definition. But I guess that was from a time before we made a conscious effort to recognise people don't always fit in those two categories, so pansexual is definitely more inclusive. But I'm sure you're right that most bisexual people would not have been so literal in who they were attracted to, and for those it encompassed the ability to find people of any gender attractive (tho' of course I can't speak for all bisexual people). Hope this doesn't come across as trying to be patronising as it's not - I'm very much in the "each to their own" camp as others have said - it's always up to you what labels you choose for yourself, if any.
Speaking personally, I've never thought to describe myself as pansexual but I probably should...
I've seen a definition of "same and other" which personally makes sense to me as a bisexual person. I've never felt a need to change to pansexual but that doesn't mean I'm only attracted to the gender binary and I know many bisexual people feel the same. Personally I've heard pansexual people describe themselves as gender blind. Personally I'm attracted to male and female presenting people in different ways so I don't identify with that phrase which is possibly why I haven't identified with the label. "That really resonates with me - thank you. I couldn't find the words! | |||
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"It strikes me that we have this desperate urge to attribute a label to everything. Honestly it goes far beyond my capability to remember all the various terms which have been popularised in the last 5-10 years. Ultimately - in my opinion at least - it should boil down to consenting adults, living their lives how they choose. Live and let live and all that. " I find that this is a common view held by people who find communities and commonality easily. For those that want to find others like them and don’t fit into mainstream society, labels are lifelines and help them find others like them. Let’s not forget that we all use labels; mother, daughter, husband, wife, straight, the job that we do, etc, to identify ourselves to others. Sexuality is just another that people use | |||
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"It strikes me that we have this desperate urge to attribute a label to everything. Honestly it goes far beyond my capability to remember all the various terms which have been popularised in the last 5-10 years. Ultimately - in my opinion at least - it should boil down to consenting adults, living their lives how they choose. Live and let live and all that. I find that this is a common view held by people who find communities and commonality easily. For those that want to find others like them and don’t fit into mainstream society, labels are lifelines and help them find others like them. Let’s not forget that we all use labels; mother, daughter, husband, wife, straight, the job that we do, etc, to identify ourselves to others. Sexuality is just another that people use" To a degree yes when my daughter first came out I found the need to describe her as my transgender daughter now I just say I have 4 daughters! Yes still labels I suppose x | |||
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"Maybe the difference is about attraction. Many bisexual men, at least on fab guys, state quite clearly they aren't attracted to men they're just after sex. Men are for sex and women are for a relationship is the view of many bisexual men. Pansexual are attracted to both and therefore would involve themselves romantically with whoever they fell for" Sexual attraction is about who we are attracted to having sex with so if these men want to have sex with other men they are sexually attracted to other men. That doesn't necessarily mean they are necessarily romantically attracted to men. The same can be true for any other configuration. It's entirely possible for someone to identify as pansexual but heteromantic, homoromantic or even aromantic. This is another example of how because for the majority, sexual attraction and romantic attraction are aligned, they're usually referred to collectively or assumed to be the same thing but they don't always align for everyone. They don't for me. But then when we use labels to express that, we're accused of labelling everything even though most of the need to comes from the fact that the majority assume everyone to be the same as them unless specified otherwise. | |||
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