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By *den-Valley-couple OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

New app launchers where they do criminal background checks on yourself before you're allowed to join the site to cut out catfishing and abusive people do you think is going to catch on or is it just impractical and too expensive.

Will it change other sites encouraging them to take up the same precautionary procedures good or bad will it discriminate against people who made mistakes in their past and have moved on or protect people.

We are in favour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

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By *amie HantsWoman
over a year ago

Atlantis

I think people will be less likely to be dicks if their identity is known.

I think a full DBS is a bit overkill.

I’d be in support if people had to provide ID to join up, but I feel that about social media.

An angry egg picture saying vile things would be less likely to be a problem if there was potential for real consequences.

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By *den-Valley-couple OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?"

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

DBS is expensive. It tells of criminal history. Is catfishing now a criminal activity?? Is it only criminals with a record that catfish or not show up or even ghost??

Load of poppycock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not something I'm in favour of but I guess I can see some possible merits

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

"

Parts of that Im happy with as most abuse is from anonymous profiles on most major platforms. Do i think a DBS is necessary - I think that might be overkill but definitely in favour if something that means whatever you post - you own. Might stop a lot of the abuse couples & sgl fems get for a polite no thanks

Might also get rid of some of the minors on here posing as adults that come here and mess everyone around.

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove

Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

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By *den-Valley-couple OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

It's been set up pacifically for women safety I believe as the founder has had a very traumatic dating experience.

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

Parts of that Im happy with as most abuse is from anonymous profiles on most major platforms. Do i think a DBS is necessary - I think that might be overkill but definitely in favour if something that means whatever you post - you own. Might stop a lot of the abuse couples & sgl fems get for a polite no thanks

Might also get rid of some of the minors on here posing as adults that come here and mess everyone around. "

Only abuse I've ever had was from a single female, abuse isn't gender specific.

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By *den-Valley-couple OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today."

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

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I believe it is illegal to catfish someone though I maybe wrong on this

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point."

So what do these apps do with the information they gather ? Does someone decide if you are 'safe' enough to join the site ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New app launchers where they do criminal background checks on yourself before you're allowed to join the site to cut out catfishing and abusive people do you think is going to catch on or is it just impractical and too expensive.

Will it change other sites encouraging them to take up the same precautionary procedures good or bad will it discriminate against people who made mistakes in their past and have moved on or protect people.

We are in favour.

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I am

In favour too but unfortunately it doesn’t make good business sense. App builders and owners of sites are about numbers and revenue

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

Parts of that Im happy with as most abuse is from anonymous profiles on most major platforms. Do i think a DBS is necessary - I think that might be overkill but definitely in favour if something that means whatever you post - you own. Might stop a lot of the abuse couples & sgl fems get for a polite no thanks

Might also get rid of some of the minors on here posing as adults that come here and mess everyone around.

Only abuse I've ever had was from a single female, abuse isn't gender specific."

Me too but i think the overwhelming majority is sgl guys not taking no for a answer then becoming abusive - but I absolutely agree theres no gender divide - both do it but I was commenting as it’s predominantly designed to be a safe haven for women if I understand the OP post correctly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

I believe it is illegal to catfish someone though I maybe wrong on this"

You are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

I believe it is illegal to catfish someone though I maybe wrong on this

You are "

Certain elements of the activity could be covered by different parts of the law. If a victim hands over money, the "catfish" could be prosecuted for fraud. Someone using a fake profile to post offensive messages or doctored images designed to humiliate could also face criminal action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Catfishers are all criminals

Who knew?

Closed way of thinking but would stop other things to like abuse stalking (online) unwanted graphic images as you would need to give up your anonymity and would not be able to hide behind the keyboard.

I believe it is illegal to catfish someone though I maybe wrong on this

You are

Certain elements of the activity could be covered by different parts of the law. If a victim hands over money, the "catfish" could be prosecuted for fraud. Someone using a fake profile to post offensive messages or doctored images designed to humiliate could also face criminal action."

Those are specific crimes though - pretending to be someone else online isn't illegal

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

How would the background check be obtained? What about the many,many people who are less than salubrious who have no criminal record? Would the women he background checked too? The data protection issues are huge.

I'm not against it per se but it would only go so far to protect people.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle

I'm glad and I think it's a good idea!

I saw the documentary about social media murders. I think it will help to an extent, You never really know someone or who you are chatting too at times.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle


"How would the background check be obtained? What about the many,many people who are less than salubrious who have no criminal record? Would the women he background checked too? The data protection issues are huge.

I'm not against it per se but it would only go so far to protect people."
Yes that is true! My ex didn't have a record so he said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Load of bollocks. Every murderer/ stalker etc has a first victim. Doesn't make them any less dangerous because they didn't do it yet.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not particularly in favour, as people have a right to a private life, to learn and to change. It's also a way to disenfranchise people, when there's more than enough segregation etc in society. I'm also not in favour of tech and other companies amassing lots of very personal data on us. If fab did this, I'd leave. Other tools could help protect people too, that are less damaging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Load of bollocks. Every murderer/ stalker etc has a first victim. Doesn't make them any less dangerous because they didn't do it yet."

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Load of bollocks. Every murderer/ stalker etc has a first victim. Doesn't make them any less dangerous because they didn't do it yet."

Yep and serial killers are only able to serially kill because they haven't been caught

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

I can't see many people going through a DBS check just to get onto a dating Web site. I can't see many other sites taking on draconian measures like that. I don't know if there is really a significant issue around people being led to believe that somebody they date doesn't have a criminal record when really they do.

I worry about the demonisation of people who have been in prison. It's hard enough for them to get jobs. It's a pretty rough signal to send that they should be barred from dating too.

Looking at catfishing and other antisocial behaviour sounds positive though, but I don't know how they are going to achieve that.

Unlike some people on this thread I can see that these are two different issues they are trying to address, and nobody is suggesting that catfishers generally have criminal records they are hiding.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Load of bollocks. Every murderer/ stalker etc has a first victim. Doesn't make them any less dangerous because they didn't do it yet.

Yep and serial killers are only able to serially kill because they haven't been caught"

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point.

So what do these apps do with the information they gather ? Does someone decide if you are 'safe' enough to join the site ?"
Agree to an extent! But a teenager should know right from wrong, The same with school bullies at secondary school age they know what they are doing.

However some people do learn from their mistakes and may have a record! Everyone deserves a second chance though depending on what the crime was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Proving you are who you say you are will mean that any permanent ban for abusive or aggressive behaviour would mean that they couldn’t just set up another profile and repeat the cycle of abuse

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point.

So what do these apps do with the information they gather ? Does someone decide if you are 'safe' enough to join the site ? Agree to an extent! But a teenager should know right from wrong, The same with school bullies at secondary school age they know what they are doing.

However some people do learn from their mistakes and may have a record! Everyone deserves a second chance though depending on what the crime was. "

Yes teenagers should know right from wrong, but if you are living in a deprived area, dysfunctional family, trying to fit in etc, you can make some bad decisions. Does that make you more unsafe than the person who does more hurtful stuff but hadn't been caught yet, or had money enough to wriggle out of a conviction. I was asking what happens to the check and who decides who is safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having a DBS just proves you don't have a criminal background - it doesnt stop someone being a dick if they want to be?

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove

Would the DBS check pick up on the thousands of financial scammers who target lonely people on dating apps ?

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point.

So what do these apps do with the information they gather ? Does someone decide if you are 'safe' enough to join the site ? Agree to an extent! But a teenager should know right from wrong, The same with school bullies at secondary school age they know what they are doing.

However some people do learn from their mistakes and may have a record! Everyone deserves a second chance though depending on what the crime was.

Yes teenagers should know right from wrong, but if you are living in a deprived area, dysfunctional family, trying to fit in etc, you can make some bad decisions. Does that make you more unsafe than the person who does more hurtful stuff but hadn't been caught yet, or had money enough to wriggle out of a conviction. I was asking what happens to the check and who decides who is safe."
Sorry that's no excuse! I lived in an abusive household around drugs etc and i never took drugs or bullied anyone at school. I was severely bullied at school and had that to go home to things a child shouldn't see or think is normal. Funnily enough it made me not do drugs or ever smoke and even hardly drink. I'm not saying some people don't learn or have remorse! Also my ex showed no sign of violence until i knew him and used to be controlling and locked me in if he went out and things. I think it's good to do checks! If no one has anything to hide, Well theirs nothing to worry about.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Having a DBS just proves you don't have a criminal background - it doesnt stop someone being a dick if they want to be? "
That's true! But you can get checks for history of violence? Which i should think should be avaliable to everyone, Also men suffer domestic abuse too.

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point.

So what do these apps do with the information they gather ? Does someone decide if you are 'safe' enough to join the site ? Agree to an extent! But a teenager should know right from wrong, The same with school bullies at secondary school age they know what they are doing.

However some people do learn from their mistakes and may have a record! Everyone deserves a second chance though depending on what the crime was.

Yes teenagers should know right from wrong, but if you are living in a deprived area, dysfunctional family, trying to fit in etc, you can make some bad decisions. Does that make you more unsafe than the person who does more hurtful stuff but hadn't been caught yet, or had money enough to wriggle out of a conviction. I was asking what happens to the check and who decides who is safe. Sorry that's no excuse! I lived in an abusive household around drugs etc and i never took drugs or bullied anyone at school. I was severely bullied at school and had that to go home to things a child shouldn't see or think is normal. Funnily enough it made me not do drugs or ever smoke and even hardly drink. I'm not saying some people don't learn or have remorse! Also my ex showed no sign of violence until i knew him and used to be controlling and locked me in if he went out and things. I think it's good to do checks! If no one has anything to hide, Well theirs nothing to worry about. "

Yet again you turn things into an argument, changing the nature of the thread. I'm out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't see how this would work or be implemented. Currently for a full DBS it costs £44, they try and have a turnaround of 4 weeks and have seen it take far longer. So not sure how that would work with the dating app. Also, having a Disclosure like this doesn't mean a person isn't as others have said, a dick or possibly a criminal that hasn't been caught.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle


"Some people have criminal records from when they were a teenager, experiencing the difficulties children do growing up, peer pressure, maybe living in an area where to fit in you do stuff to be accepted etc. These records are often not a reflection of the people they are today.

Yes I believe it may be discriminatory too people who have made a mess of things at some point.

So what do these apps do with the information they gather ? Does someone decide if you are 'safe' enough to join the site ? Agree to an extent! But a teenager should know right from wrong, The same with school bullies at secondary school age they know what they are doing.

However some people do learn from their mistakes and may have a record! Everyone deserves a second chance though depending on what the crime was.

Yes teenagers should know right from wrong, but if you are living in a deprived area, dysfunctional family, trying to fit in etc, you can make some bad decisions. Does that make you more unsafe than the person who does more hurtful stuff but hadn't been caught yet, or had money enough to wriggle out of a conviction. I was asking what happens to the check and who decides who is safe. Sorry that's no excuse! I lived in an abusive household around drugs etc and i never took drugs or bullied anyone at school. I was severely bullied at school and had that to go home to things a child shouldn't see or think is normal. Funnily enough it made me not do drugs or ever smoke and even hardly drink. I'm not saying some people don't learn or have remorse! Also my ex showed no sign of violence until i knew him and used to be controlling and locked me in if he went out and things. I think it's good to do checks! If no one has anything to hide, Well theirs nothing to worry about.

Yet again you turn things into an argument, changing the nature of the thread. I'm out."
An argument how? I'm giving my opinion on a serious subject. So someone with a different opinion is arguing?

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By *imi_RougeWoman
over a year ago

Portsmouth

I think providing ID is a great idea. If you've got nothing to hide your won't worry about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think providing ID is a great idea. If you've got nothing to hide your won't worry about it. "

You wouldn't worry about how safe that ID is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally think generally every social site, be it twitter or TikTok or dating apps should prevent anonymity at source.

It’s ok for me to be anonymous from other users, but the site whose service I am using should have a way of identifying me should that info be requested by authorities.

Yes there are pitfalls in this approach, but way fewer than the current pitfalls of free for all anonymous sign ups to most services.

A simple way to do this would be to charge £0.01 to a card and do the card postcode check. I know people can have multiple cards and sign up for others, but this is too much effort for most from the start, and charging even a penny means bot army’s can’t sign up to FB to spread voter misinfo etc for free.

This is a thorny subject, just my personal opinion that anonymity is the greatest danger to people on the net. I’d happily pay for everything I use for the service they provide, and be known (even if only at the back end) as an identifiable person, in exchange for knowing that all other users are similarly identifiable (by suitable authorities with suitable warrants etc) if needed.

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

This sounds similar to something I heard on the radio where you can go through a website who will do a background check for you, I think it was set up by a lady that had been physically abused by an ex and it seemed that he had a history of violent behaviour, she thought it would be helpful to anyone who had worries or doubts about someone they have met before committing to a relationship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This sounds similar to something I heard on the radio where you can go through a website who will do a background check for you, I think it was set up by a lady that had been physically abused by an ex and it seemed that he had a history of violent behaviour, she thought it would be helpful to anyone who had worries or doubts about someone they have met before committing to a relationship."

Clare's law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Load of bollocks. Every murderer/ stalker etc has a first victim. Doesn't make them any less dangerous because they didn't do it yet.

Yep and serial killers are only able to serially kill because they haven't been caught"

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

The majority of desirable people don’t need to join a dating site with such strict rules for entry

Which means it’ll be filled with the undesirable and desperate

They’ll be nice people, but not people most would want

It would be a car wreck of an app. A nice one, but a car wreck in general

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think providing ID is a great idea. If you've got nothing to hide your won't worry about it. "

Identidy theft?

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