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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

A 101 year old German is on trial for allegedly being a concentration camp worker. Should a centurion be on trial.

Yey or Nay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes! They should be held accountable for what they did but the punishment should just be house arrest which is not much different from their life at 101 I would’ve thought.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"A 101 year old German is on trial for allegedly being a concentration camp worker. Should a centurion be on trial.

Yey or Nay"

Not in the general publics interest. But those affected, the survivors should have a say. If it helps them... Then yes.

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By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex

If all criminals knew that they would be hunted until the end of their lives, it would deter alot of crimes.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

I am disappointed, I thought you meant the cartoon Centurions - Power Xtreme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are we trying Roman army officers for their part in the holocaust?

Age is irrelevant. Justice isn't about revenge - however great the temptation is where crimes are a abhorrent as this one. Arguably it's about protecting the public in which case there is little point in gaining a conviction. However a big part of justice is the point of justice being seen to be done and it absolutely must be seen to be done in cases like this if only to remind us all of the depths to which society sunk just a generation or so ago.

Even better would be to use this as an example to teach. We tend to view the holocaust as something done by a few Nazi's - it wasn't. It was committed by millions of people, wholesale murder like that requires huge numbers of participants. People who turned a blind eye, people who profited, who reported neighbours, who went to work driving trains, typing, doing accounts, supplying food, delivering raw materials to the camps, collecting the goods from them, managing the factories in them, working in the accounts departments etc etc. All these jobs required people, it wasn't just the guards and soldiers. All these people justified their actions because in their minds eye they had dehumanised their victims. Every person spouting anti immigrant rhetoric today could be stood where she is if they had lived her life - the mindset is exactly the same, only the situation has changed.

Absolutely convict her but don't demonise her, make her out to be somehow different. Tell her story, she her for what she really is a normal everyday person who found a position where she could behave how she wanted without the shackles society normally places on us so was able to act with impunity. And that's why (if guilty) she should be convicted, to show those alive today the consequences of their own thoughts, their own prejudices and where these lead.

Mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there was a documentery on tv a while ago about how higher ranking german officers shot those german soldiers who did not want to do there duty ...this turned out to be alot of soldiers ... need to be careful that these people were not being forced to do so ...but anyone proved otherwise then yes they should pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This makes absolutely no sense. For one the guy is ancient now, the whole trial will be a complete farce to begin with. Secondly it deoends on what he actually did as a worker at the camp. There were a shit ton of german servicemen who were only doing what they were told out of fear. The wehrmacht especially as they werent full blown nazis. Many of them were just following orders whether they liked it or not.

Honestly why is this trial even being conducted in the first place. Sure it woulda made sense had it been just a few years or even a decade after the war.. but ffs come on the guy is 101! What the fuck is the purpose of this trial?

Its not even about holding him accountable anymore, evn if he had committed any war crimes through his own volition. And even if they did find him guilty, wtf are they even gonna do? Throw him in prison? At the age of 101?

This is just dumb. Seriously dumb. Why waste the time and money on such a farce. Smh..

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

I think you mean centenarian.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I think you mean centenarian. "

Welease wodderwick

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If this man is jailed then for how long? Life ?

I do not know the answer but centurians have little time left I imagine

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"I think you mean centenarian. "

No.. this bugger is a male and over a hundred years old..

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By *onlywishiMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

With any luck the person has tried to make amends every day for the things the did or witnessed?

Where do we stop with going back in history to drag things up which are going to bring back horrible memories for anyone closely involved?

Non of the victors will ever be hunted for the things they did ?

An emotive subject well done op

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just because someone's old doesn't mean they can't be evil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the answer is no. At what age does one become above the law, other than the age of election to parliament or attaining billionaire status?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you mean centenarian.

No.. this bugger is a male and over a hundred years old..

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But did he lead 100 people in the Roman legion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually find this a really hard one. My initial reaction is yes of course he's still accountable. I don't think age/time lapsed should excuse any crimes, especially as horrific as those perpetuated by Nazis. But then I consider the brainwashing and near impossibility of dissent in Germany at that time. Leaders - absolutely deserved to be pursued for life, but low level soldiers - I think their current position on those actions and level of remorse is relevant.

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By *nimaginativeUsernameMan
over a year ago

Rochester, Kent

Depends what he did as a ‘concentration camp worker’

There’s a world of difference in the pecking order.

They are the all bad guys because they lost, they aren’t necessarily bad guys.

I’ll get hated for this comment, but this could just be a witch hunt against anyone who’s still alive from the losing side.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

At over a hundred years old I wonder what he can remember.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

The man is refusing to comment on the allegations in court and a 96yo woman also put on trial went AWOL and had to be tracked down.

It's just a shame that the people who they were complicit in exterminating did not get the chance to express THEIR freedom of choice to answer or not answer; to attend or not attend a particular location at a particular time.

Many people in the Nazi era refused to be complicit, refused to participate. Many were made "Righteous Among Nations" by Yad Vashem for their efforts in trying to help persecuted people.

One was not simply accidentally conscripted into the SS. You had to meet the ideological and racial purity standards - you had to CHOOSE to join. There's a reason that it's SS members still being brought to book, not ordinary soldiers conscripted into the regular army or whatever.

I write as a direct relative of victims of the camps (mainly Sobibor and Dachau).

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The man is refusing to comment on the allegations in court and a 96yo woman also put on trial went AWOL and had to be tracked down.

It's just a shame that the people who they were complicit in exterminating did not get the chance to express THEIR freedom of choice to answer or not answer; to attend or not attend a particular location at a particular time.

Many people in the Nazi era refused to be complicit, refused to participate. Many were made "Righteous Among Nations" by Yad Vashem for their efforts in trying to help persecuted people.

One was not simply accidentally conscripted into the SS. You had to meet the ideological and racial purity standards - you had to CHOOSE to join. There's a reason that it's SS members still being brought to book, not ordinary soldiers conscripted into the regular army or whatever.

I write as a direct relative of victims of the camps (mainly Sobibor and Dachau). "

What do you think should happen to this man?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The man is refusing to comment on the allegations in court and a 96yo woman also put on trial went AWOL and had to be tracked down.

It's just a shame that the people who they were complicit in exterminating did not get the chance to express THEIR freedom of choice to answer or not answer; to attend or not attend a particular location at a particular time.

Many people in the Nazi era refused to be complicit, refused to participate. Many were made "Righteous Among Nations" by Yad Vashem for their efforts in trying to help persecuted people.

One was not simply accidentally conscripted into the SS. You had to meet the ideological and racial purity standards - you had to CHOOSE to join. There's a reason that it's SS members still being brought to book, not ordinary soldiers conscripted into the regular army or whatever.

I write as a direct relative of victims of the camps (mainly Sobibor and Dachau).

What do you think should happen to this man?"

If found guilty, he should be convicted. A court will then decide if he is fit to serve any sentence for his crime. I'm not as bothered about retribution in terms of prison or whatever. A conviction, if deemed the correct outcome, would cement guilt and make it public. I would hope the public shame would be punishment enough but we don't know if this man still subscribes to SS ideals.

My relatives didn't get to choose what happened to them. Why should people like him get away with actions that purposefully removed the lives of other people? He did not join the SS by accident or without deliberate action on his part.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Absolutely...a despicable war crime is still a despicable war crime

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The man is refusing to comment on the allegations in court and a 96yo woman also put on trial went AWOL and had to be tracked down.

It's just a shame that the people who they were complicit in exterminating did not get the chance to express THEIR freedom of choice to answer or not answer; to attend or not attend a particular location at a particular time.

Many people in the Nazi era refused to be complicit, refused to participate. Many were made "Righteous Among Nations" by Yad Vashem for their efforts in trying to help persecuted people.

One was not simply accidentally conscripted into the SS. You had to meet the ideological and racial purity standards - you had to CHOOSE to join. There's a reason that it's SS members still being brought to book, not ordinary soldiers conscripted into the regular army or whatever.

I write as a direct relative of victims of the camps (mainly Sobibor and Dachau).

What do you think should happen to this man?

If found guilty, he should be convicted. A court will then decide if he is fit to serve any sentence for his crime. I'm not as bothered about retribution in terms of prison or whatever. A conviction, if deemed the correct outcome, would cement guilt and make it public. I would hope the public shame would be punishment enough but we don't know if this man still subscribes to SS ideals.

My relatives didn't get to choose what happened to them. Why should people like him get away with actions that purposefully removed the lives of other people? He did not join the SS by accident or without deliberate action on his part."

The court will have their pound of flesh no doubt

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The court will have their pound of flesh no doubt "

Excellent Jewish Shakespearean reference, Tom

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The court will have their pound of flesh no doubt

Excellent Jewish Shakespearean reference, Tom "

Your welcome

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

The sonnet “shall I compare you to a summer’s day?”

Is about you are captured in history and it’s legacy long after you are dead.

Wouldn’t want that in my head as I die.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The court will have their pound of flesh no doubt

Excellent Jewish Shakespearean reference, Tom

Your welcome "

Perhaps remember that this isn't a joke, Tom

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The court will have their pound of flesh no doubt

Excellent Jewish Shakespearean reference, Tom

Your welcome

Perhaps remember that this isn't a joke, Tom "

The trial of a 101 year old is certainly no joke.. I agree

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The sonnet “shall I compare you to a summer’s day?”

Is about you are captured in history and it’s legacy long after you are dead.

Wouldn’t want that in my head as I die."

The writing that some day that Shakespy was gay...I never bought into that one

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