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" One of my daughters lecturers is on over 100k a year, and there are people living off food banks. " The maximum salary for a lecturer is £52,147 | |||
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" One of my daughters lecturers is on over 100k a year, and there are people living off food banks. The maximum salary for a lecturer is £52,147" True, but they can make an awful lot of money via research. | |||
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"become head of dept etc and loaads more money, i know what im talking about, my brother works in the sector and is earning over 300k" What's his role? | |||
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"become head of dept etc and loaads more money, i know what im talking about, my brother works in the sector and is earning over 300k What's his role?" He must be a Pro Vice Chancellor at one of the top universities | |||
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"I’m trying to understand the rant OP. Are you saying they don’t have the right to strike, because they are 1) lecturers 2) earning a decent income for all the years of academia 3) it effects you directly 4) you wish you could strike too " What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. | |||
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" One of my daughters lecturers is on over 100k a year, and there are people living off food banks. The maximum salary for a lecturer is £52,147 True, but they can make an awful lot of money via research. " 'can' being the operative. And so what ? They do 'research' the do the work , they spend the time.... It's not looking something up in the library for half an hour and writing a sentence about it. | |||
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"I’m trying to understand the rant OP. Are you saying they don’t have the right to strike, because they are 1) lecturers 2) earning a decent income for all the years of academia 3) it effects you directly 4) you wish you could strike too What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year." No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? | |||
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"It's not just lecturers, admin staff and librarians are striking too. As far as I know they have genuine concerns around pensions and contracts. " Their concerns are genuine. This type of opening post is often put up by those who honestly believe that anyone who isn't a labourer pushing a broom has no rights and should be happy with their lot..... Reverse that and they'd be rioting. | |||
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"Why rant at the lectures and not the university's?" Because people don't see the whole picture, just the bit that affects them and because they need someone to blame they look for the nearest person to punch ....... | |||
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"I’m trying to understand the rant OP. Are you saying they don’t have the right to strike, because they are 1) lecturers 2) earning a decent income for all the years of academia 3) it effects you directly 4) you wish you could strike too What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year." It's now the case in many Uni's that a lecturer needs an undergrad degree, usually a Masters and now a PhD. That's a lot of time and study for £24K don't you think? | |||
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"I’m trying to understand the rant OP. Are you saying they don’t have the right to strike, because they are 1) lecturers 2) earning a decent income for all the years of academia 3) it effects you directly 4) you wish you could strike too What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year." I’m not sure how many years of academia a lecture has to go through and the debt they require while doing this so I wouldn’t like to comment. As far as I know the lectures are striking as a show of solidarity for their support staff etc. And when has a high salary mean that you have to put of with toxic work environments? Also I’m sure you wouldn’t become a lecturer for 24k. No one would | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time" They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. | |||
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"In 2008 after the financial crash, I read Barclays paid one man, over £40 million pounds a year to help them avoid paying tax. Imagine how much tax he must have saved them for a salary like that. This year Jeff Bezos paid £5 Billion for a 30 minute trip into space. Here’s a post by a person probably on an average salary, moaning about people being on a slightly higher salary wanting a bit more. Anybody see the irony? " Not sure i do see it tbh, my salary isnt relevant, i dont have one, self imployed and alot more than a teacher, however thats not the point is it | |||
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"most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay" So who was giving the online lectures, Zoom tutorials and marking essays ? | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time" You've now got my vote..... My thoughts to you are , ' Suck it up buttercup and get on with it. You aren't special.' | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. " working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing | |||
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"most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay So who was giving the online lectures, Zoom tutorials and marking essays ?" And managing all of the admin around that? I have several friends who work at a University. No furlough. Working harder than before like many in education to help their students. | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing" Amaze me. How many ? | |||
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" the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing" Impressive you could recognise them all. The only lecturer I could recognise is Brian Cox | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing" Do you actually know anything about a University education? Because you're making statements that make me think not. I worked in academia for years. As with all sectors there are those who don't work hard, but the hours expected and needed to do the work that students don't see are well over a 40 hour week for academics. | |||
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"I waved my young adults off to uni and wouldn't have recognised one of their lecturers if i was paid to...... ( or fuloughed to - or pensioned to ) " That because your clearly not invested in their education enough to stalk their lectures  | |||
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"I waved my young adults off to uni and wouldn't have recognised one of their lecturers if i was paid to...... ( or fuloughed to - or pensioned to ) " yes i live in a small town, every knows what others do, bit odd, but there you go, plus i do make sure i get to know who is influincing my childs future, wouldnt any parent? | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought." oh dear point missed badly | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing Do you actually know anything about a University education? Because you're making statements that make me think not. I worked in academia for years. As with all sectors there are those who don't work hard, but the hours expected and needed to do the work that students don't see are well over a 40 hour week for academics. " see my post about my brother working in a uni?????????????????????? | |||
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" yes i live in a small town, every knows what others do, bit odd, but there you go" All the lecturers at the University of Southampton live in your small town ? | |||
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"I waved my young adults off to uni and wouldn't have recognised one of their lecturers if i was paid to...... ( or fuloughed to - or pensioned to ) yes i live in a small town, every knows what others do, bit odd, but there you go, plus i do make sure i get to know who is influincing my childs future, wouldnt any parent?" No. | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing Do you actually know anything about a University education? Because you're making statements that make me think not. I worked in academia for years. As with all sectors there are those who don't work hard, but the hours expected and needed to do the work that students don't see are well over a 40 hour week for academics. see my post about my brother working in a uni??????????????????????" Yes. Do you also call him a greedy leftie wanker as you slated other University staff in your opening post? You know one person, I know a dozen. I've worked in the sector. I'm not ranting. I and others have made reasonable factual posts which you've not responded to. You don't want a discussion. Bye. | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? " While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves | |||
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" yes i live in a small town, every knows what others do, bit odd, but there you go All the lecturers at the University of Southampton live in your small town ? " winchester has a uni as well, thats where i live | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought. oh dear point missed badly" Not in the slightest. You made the equivalence between food banks and lecturers pay. You are all over the place here. Time to reel it in. | |||
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"I waved my young adults off to uni and wouldn't have recognised one of their lecturers if i was paid to...... ( or fuloughed to - or pensioned to ) That because your clearly not invested in their education enough to stalk their lectures "You got me bang to rights Sharif.... I'm a shit parent  | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing Do you actually know anything about a University education? Because you're making statements that make me think not. I worked in academia for years. As with all sectors there are those who don't work hard, but the hours expected and needed to do the work that students don't see are well over a 40 hour week for academics. see my post about my brother working in a uni?????????????????????? Yes. Do you also call him a greedy leftie wanker as you slated other University staff in your opening post? You know one person, I know a dozen. I've worked in the sector. I'm not ranting. I and others have made reasonable factual posts which you've not responded to. You don't want a discussion. Bye." hes against the strike i spoke to him last night, he feels its to the right time, that was my point, anyway glad you didnt read my posts, goodbye | |||
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" see my post about my brother working in a uni?????????????????????? Yes. Do you also call him a greedy leftie wanker as you slated other University staff in your opening post? " Good point !  | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought. oh dear point missed badly Not in the slightest. You made the equivalence between food banks and lecturers pay. You are all over the place here. Time to reel it in." read my posts, its the timing thats my main problem | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves" That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. | |||
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"whether they have a right to strike of not isnt my point, its the timing and how it looks, the studands have just got back to uni, most lecturers were on furlough being topped up by the uni to full pay, so basicly had a year off on full pay, now they have to earn it they strike, while the country is on its knees, doesnt send the best message to the studants does it. my thought is, suck it up buttercup and get on with it, you arent special, what about all those who would love to be able to work but cant, as to my brother, he is high up, but not at vice chancaler level at all, just been there a long time They were not on furlough. I believe they were on full pay, working from home and in uni and available to do as asked. working from home, dont make me laugh, my daughter had two zoom lectures a week if she was lucky, and the amount of her lecturers i met in town during the day in the week was amazing Do you actually know anything about a University education? Because you're making statements that make me think not. I worked in academia for years. As with all sectors there are those who don't work hard, but the hours expected and needed to do the work that students don't see are well over a 40 hour week for academics. see my post about my brother working in a uni?????????????????????? Yes. Do you also call him a greedy leftie wanker as you slated other University staff in your opening post? You know one person, I know a dozen. I've worked in the sector. I'm not ranting. I and others have made reasonable factual posts which you've not responded to. You don't want a discussion. Bye. hes against the strike i spoke to him last night, he feels its to the right time, that was my point, anyway glad you didnt read my posts, goodbye" not the right time even, see maybe i should have gone to uni lol | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought. oh dear point missed badly Not in the slightest. You made the equivalence between food banks and lecturers pay. You are all over the place here. Time to reel it in. read my posts, its the timing thats my main problem" You have a very strange way of trying to get that point across. | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought. oh dear point missed badly Not in the slightest. You made the equivalence between food banks and lecturers pay. You are all over the place here. Time to reel it in. read my posts, its the timing thats my main problem" No time like the present! ever. So if not NOW ..... then when ? C'mon Wakie....... when ? | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. " so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought. oh dear point missed badly Not in the slightest. You made the equivalence between food banks and lecturers pay. You are all over the place here. Time to reel it in. read my posts, its the timing thats my main problem No time like the present! ever. So if not NOW ..... then when ? C'mon Wakie....... when ?" not when due to factors outside thier control, so many people who have lost jobs and would kill for a nice salary and a pension maybe | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow" I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW. | |||
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"If you think University lecturers are ruining the country you really have not been paying attention over the past couple of years and if you think they are causing people to turn to food banks you are in deeper trouble than I first thought. oh dear point missed badly Not in the slightest. You made the equivalence between food banks and lecturers pay. You are all over the place here. Time to reel it in. read my posts, its the timing thats my main problem No time like the present! ever. So if not NOW ..... then when ? C'mon Wakie....... when ? not when due to factors outside thier control, so many people who have lost jobs and would kill for a nice salary and a pension maybe" That's not an answer. If they shouldn't strike NOW...... then WHEN | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW." you kind f did say that, re read your post | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW." Wow | |||
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"I’m not sure how many years of academia a lecture has to go through and the debt they require while doing this so I wouldn’t like to comment. As far as I know the lectures are striking as a show of solidarity for their support staff etc. And when has a high salary mean that you have to put of with toxic work environments? Also I’m sure you wouldn’t become a lecturer for 24k. No one would " Sure time of study of particular subjects which are all challenging in their regard takes a lot of effort, but there are ppl out there who perform jobs that are both very demanding and come with a fair amount of risk too but theyre not even considered or their salaries during topics of debate such as this. I was a delivery driver for sainsburys, i got paid £10/hr while working in london of all places. Doesnt sound too hard? Wrong. The work is a extremely physically demanding especially in london where there are many high rise flats and apartment blocks, many without an elevator. Try carrying a months worth of shopping up 3/4 flights of stairs from the street below, especially when youre having to run on a schedule and thats just 1 drop of potentially 20 drops. Then theres the risk to your own health, being required to entire a persons property if need be where there are many trip hazards as youre carrying heavy loads, not to mention the skill and concentration needed to operate a large vehicle safely especially in such an extremely busy and chaotic urban environment. And lets just add on top of that all the shit that can wrong back at the depot with all the stress added on top of that. Sure it didnt take several years of study to do that job, but id rather do those years of study and earn 24k in a more stable job as a lecturer. I understand a lot of jobs can be stressful and tiring, but at the same time a lot of ppl dont understand that their job could be much much worse and harder to do, especially for far less pay too | |||
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"I didn't say that at all. You READ my post." That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. yes you kind of did, and yes i did read it, it comes across badly | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. " On coming to power one of the first things Hitler did was to remove the right of state employees to withhold their labour. | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW. Wow" I don’t know about now but I was offered snr. lecture at a non RGU in 2004 salary was £47K, no bonus or healthcare but good pension. In addition to the day job you had to do research and publish or bring in consultancy. You need min degree and masters, usually PhD , though they offered to find mine along side the job. All in all very underpaid compared to private sector BUT , it’s a lifestyle / interest area rather than a career where you expect 6 figures after a few years , they know that when they join | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW. Wow I don’t know about now but I was offered snr. lecture at a non RGU in 2004 salary was £47K, no bonus or healthcare but good pension. In addition to the day job you had to do research and publish or bring in consultancy. You need min degree and masters, usually PhD , though they offered to find mine along side the job. All in all very underpaid compared to private sector BUT , it’s a lifestyle / interest area rather than a career where you expect 6 figures after a few years , they know that when they join " Are you saying the system allowed you to obtain a degree or higher qualification? | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. On coming to power one of the first things Hitler did was to remove the right of state employees to withhold their labour." That comment is so irrelevant. Hitler probably took a dump too , have you ever done that ? Are you therefore a nazi | |||
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"I didn't say that at all. You READ my post. That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. yes you kind of did, and yes i did read it, it comes across badly" No you didn't READ it. Nowhere did I say ....... People who labour don't have to use their brains. THAT is what i'm being accused of saying. My point says...... HE implied that. I'm not explaining it again. Take my word for it. I didn't make that accusation at all. It didn't come across badly ...... It was READ incorrectly. | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. " What leave like the NHS staff are doing ? | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. On coming to power one of the first things Hitler did was to remove the right of state employees to withhold their labour. That comment is so irrelevant. Hitler probably took a dump too , have you ever done that ? Are you therefore a nazi " Your comparison is juvenile as bowel movements were not the subject matter. The point was that withholding or denying civil liberties is draconian and used by those who wish to extend political control over the population. Perhaps you next exercise your colon muscle you take the Orwellian classic with you and have a read? | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. What leave like the NHS staff are doing ? " If they feel they have to yes. If they made a career mistake and no longer value serving the public over politics and money yes then change , become a politician or investment banker | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. finaly someone gets my point" So after all that..... your beef has nothing to do with your daughters education . | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. What leave like the NHS staff are doing ? If they feel they have to yes. If they made a career mistake and no longer value serving the public over politics and money yes then change , become a politician or investment banker" It's an interesting question - whether public sector employees should be able to strike. Perhaps one for a new thread as I imagine it's quite a polarising debate. | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. What leave like the NHS staff are doing ? If they feel they have to yes. If they made a career mistake and no longer value serving the public over politics and money yes then change , become a politician or investment banker It's an interesting question - whether public sector employees should be able to strike. Perhaps one for a new thread as I imagine it's quite a polarising debate. " Really this is the guts of where we are as a society. When someone striking affects us or our daily lives, people go mad. On the flip side if we want more we justify a strike.. It doesn’t matter if it’s public or private sector we all have and should maintain the right to withdraw our labour. It’s the job of the government/authority to ensure people are remunerated and happy with their lot. | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW. Wow I don’t know about now but I was offered snr. lecture at a non RGU in 2004 salary was £47K, no bonus or healthcare but good pension. In addition to the day job you had to do research and publish or bring in consultancy. You need min degree and masters, usually PhD , though they offered to find mine along side the job. All in all very underpaid compared to private sector BUT , it’s a lifestyle / interest area rather than a career where you expect 6 figures after a few years , they know that when they join Are you saying the system allowed you to obtain a degree or higher qualification?" What I’m saying is for the experience and skills of senior lecture the pay isn’t comparable with the private sector working as a consultant say, they will unlikely be rich. But they know this, it’s no surprise. They do it for a lucrative career, they chose to dedicate their life, researching and educating the public, knowing their terms and conditions will always be set by elected governments , and with stronger unions than most , they should not strike | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. finaly someone gets my point So after all that..... your beef has nothing to do with your daughters education . " it has everything to do with my daughters education | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW. Wow I don’t know about now but I was offered snr. lecture at a non RGU in 2004 salary was £47K, no bonus or healthcare but good pension. In addition to the day job you had to do research and publish or bring in consultancy. You need min degree and masters, usually PhD , though they offered to find mine along side the job. All in all very underpaid compared to private sector BUT , it’s a lifestyle / interest area rather than a career where you expect 6 figures after a few years , they know that when they join Are you saying the system allowed you to obtain a degree or higher qualification? What I’m saying is for the experience and skills of senior lecture the pay isn’t comparable with the private sector working as a consultant say, they will unlikely be rich. But they know this, it’s no surprise. They do it for a lucrative career, they chose to dedicate their life, researching and educating the public, knowing their terms and conditions will always be set by elected governments , and with stronger unions than most , they should not strike " most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. finaly someone gets my point" A race to the bottom will suit absolutely nobody. Basically saying "These people have shit conditions, you should have them too". How about fighting for better conditions for those in the private sector. | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector ???" no ??? required, they would have to work for a living. | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. finaly someone gets my point A race to the bottom will suit absolutely nobody. Basically saying "These people have shit conditions, you should have them too". How about fighting for better conditions for those in the private sector." difference is, private sector is driven by compatition, public sector isnt | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. finaly someone gets my point A race to the bottom will suit absolutely nobody. Basically saying "These people have shit conditions, you should have them too". How about fighting for better conditions for those in the private sector." That’s what we should be doing , those on zero hours, min wage , long hours etc have the least union support and its horrific. When teachers or doctors strike they expect public support ? What support do they show the lowest paid ? | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector ??? no ??? required, they would have to work for a living." Christ...... you don't even read what you put yourself, let alone reading what other people actually say. I just heard about the strike on the news - it's for 3 days and they say that unless you start reading what is typed they are going to do it again so you only have yourself to blame. I'm going out now..... to spend my furlough money. On lipstick and other essential stuff. | |||
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"Well I don’t agree with anyone in public services striking, they have the strongest unions and they chose to work in a sector to serve people knowing the elected government is those ultimate employer. All they do by striking is the opposite to what they believe in If they don’t like it leave and see how the rest of us cope without strong unions, final salary pensions, guaranteed jobs for life and long summer holidays. finaly someone gets my point A race to the bottom will suit absolutely nobody. Basically saying "These people have shit conditions, you should have them too". How about fighting for better conditions for those in the private sector. difference is, private sector is driven by compatition, public sector isnt" Okaaayyyy. So schools, hospitals, civil service departments are not in competition with each other? Nonsense. You seem to be accepting crap private sector conditions because of "competition". That's very weak. Other countries would never accept that | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector ??? no ??? required, they would have to work for a living." Work is work, it comes in different flavours for sure, but if you are not unique in your skills you are more than likely to be in a sea of people all doing the same type of work, probably being paid less too. A fruit picker works all day in the fields, in all weathers for a minimum wage. They think they should be paid more than someone who sits on their backside all day, why? Because as a fruit picker we works harder, but the reality is nearly anyone can be a fruit picker. Remedy? Get a driving license and delivery the fruit, you get more money and sit on your backside all day, but the driver thinks, I should be paid more money than an office worker, they just sit in the office drinking coffee all day. Remedy? Get an education with relevant qualifications and get that office job. I think you can see where this is going, people make choices in life, some better than others but the rights of an employee do not diminish as they become more successful. | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector" I assume you mean won't last in the private sector. Having worked in both I'd beg to differ, most public sector workers would thrive in the private sector. | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector ??? no ??? required, they would have to work for a living." Am I missing something??? Surely public sector workers ARE working in the public sector?? So have lasted more than 5 mins.. I’m assuming you meant wouldn’t last 5 mins in the private sector? The irony is if a nurse or doctor etc who your expecting to get shafted hours be cash wise had that little attention to firstly grammar or detail that your statement had they would in all likelihood kill someone. Oh the irony of beating up on the public sector workforce | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector I assume you mean won't last in the private sector. Having worked in both I'd beg to differ, most public sector workers would thrive in the private sector. " I have also worked in both and I agree. I have three very close relatives who are nurses in the NHS, they would find the private sector a doddle. A lot of my family are teachers who would also find working in a private school very much easier than big city academies. | |||
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"What hes ranting over is the lecturers going on strike over pay when they already earn a decent living. If i became lecturer and was on just 24k a year id be happy. So despite them already being paid well, theyre still striking which is again affecting the education of students when theyve already fallen behind on studies due to lockdowns last year. No you wouldn't be happy to be a lecturer on 24K. What does being a lecturer involve ? While i dont know every single tiny detail that is involved with being a lecturer, it doesnt involve back breaking hard labour or constantly being in a position of risk, risk to yours or the health of others. But lecturers arent on 24k a year, from what ive found the average salary is 40k. If anyone thinks 40k a year isnt a lot of money then they need give their head a wobble. Ive lived comfortably on a a third of that money doing some very demanding work, and while being at higher risk or responsible for the well being of others while carrying out my work safely. But if you think 24k is not enough to be happy with, tell me why lecturers should receive more than 30-40k a year, going by what the job involves That's quite an interesting point. You seem to be saying that anyone who works physically hard and labours should earn more than someone who exercises brain power for long hours to enable others shouldn't. Is there something i'm not understanding? I'm quite happy to do my work and break rocks at the same time if I get more money. so the person breaking rocks doesnt need a brain? wow I never said that. So WOW right back at you for your own WOW thoughts that you tried to make out I said. Wow. Does this WOW thing people do somehow seal a deal? WOW. Wow I don’t know about now but I was offered snr. lecture at a non RGU in 2004 salary was £47K, no bonus or healthcare but good pension. In addition to the day job you had to do research and publish or bring in consultancy. You need min degree and masters, usually PhD , though they offered to find mine along side the job. All in all very underpaid compared to private sector BUT , it’s a lifestyle / interest area rather than a career where you expect 6 figures after a few years , they know that when they join Are you saying the system allowed you to obtain a degree or higher qualification? What I’m saying is for the experience and skills of senior lecture the pay isn’t comparable with the private sector working as a consultant say, they will unlikely be rich. But they know this, it’s no surprise. They do it for a lucrative career, they chose to dedicate their life, researching and educating the public, knowing their terms and conditions will always be set by elected governments , and with stronger unions than most , they should not strike most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector" I will pass on your comments to my friend who has just finished a week long stint in a homeless shelter in Manchester. She has three days off before going back to work to do a similar shift run. At the moment she is physically and emotionally shattered and for her troubles and university education she is paid a little under £32k per annum. I think she will enamoured that you think she can’t survive in the “real world” | |||
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"Sounds like some people want strikes to happen at kess inconvenient times ... Which kinda makes the strike less powerful. And once you get to uni, most students should be self sufficient in study enough to be able to avoid too much disruption. Other than labs, most if the work is outside of lectures. " Interestingly enough I think this whole thread is about power and perceptions of it - a subject I coincidentally had a lecture on at university yesterday | |||
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"Sounds like some people want strikes to happen at kess inconvenient times ... Which kinda makes the strike less powerful. And once you get to uni, most students should be self sufficient in study enough to be able to avoid too much disruption. Other than labs, most if the work is outside of lectures. Interestingly enough I think this whole thread is about power and perceptions of it - a subject I coincidentally had a lecture on at university yesterday "Sounds interesting? | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector ??? no ??? required, they would have to work for a living." You choose to insult us, and I still have to work with you, you choose to abuse us and I still have to work with you, you choose to hurt us and I still have to work with you. If you had any idea of what it’s been like to be a nurse/doctor/paramedic/ OT/ Support worker/ HCA/cleaner, in the last 18 months, you’d hang your head in shame at your comment! | |||
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"I understand a lot of jobs can be stressful and tiring, but at the same time a lot of ppl dont understand that their job could be much much worse and harder to do, especially for far less pay too" Compared to some people in the world though, your job is WAY easier and less stressful and better-paid, but does that mean you don't have the right to complain/ask for more? Of course not! Almost everyone in the world has a more comfortable job compared to some people, but everyone has the right to complain/ask for more | |||
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" most public sector workers wount last 5 mins in the public sector ??? no ??? required, they would have to work for a living. You choose to insult us, and I still have to work with you, you choose to abuse us and I still have to work with you, you choose to hurt us and I still have to work with you. If you had any idea of what it’s been like to be a nurse/doctor/paramedic/ OT/ Support worker/ HCA/cleaner, in the last 18 months, you’d hang your head in shame at your comment! " Just one person's opinion. Lots of us have HUGE respect for anyone working in those roles. | |||
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"Why do we make a big deal when others earn a respectable wage? Why in this country do we feel in order for "us" to win, someone else has to lose. Why can't we all aspire to earning £33k a year. It's not that much higher than the national average of £25,971 and if they are good at their job they will help our kids to earn more in their lifetime also." Very well said | |||
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"Lecturer salary in United Kingdom How much does a Lecturer make in United Kingdom? Average base salary 18.3k salaries reported, updated at 28 November 2021 £33,746per year Why do we make a big deal when others earn a respectable wage? Why in this country do we feel in order for "us" to win, someone else has to lose. Why can't we all aspire to earning £33k a year. It's not that much higher than the national average of £25,971 and if they are good at their job they will help our kids to earn more in their lifetime also." Because our Etonian educated “betters” want us to be fighting amongst ourselves, so we don’t see them making off with all the cash! | |||
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"In 2008 after the financial crash, I read Barclays paid one man, over £40 million pounds a year to help them avoid paying tax. Imagine how much tax he must have saved them for a salary like that. This year Jeff Bezos paid £5 Billion for a 30 minute trip into space. Here’s a post by a person probably on an average salary, moaning about people being on a slightly higher salary wanting a bit more. Anybody see the irony? " | |||
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"In 2008 after the financial crash, I read Barclays paid one man, over £40 million pounds a year to help them avoid paying tax. Imagine how much tax he must have saved them for a salary like that. This year Jeff Bezos paid £5 Billion for a 30 minute trip into space. Here’s a post by a person probably on an average salary, moaning about people being on a slightly higher salary wanting a bit more. Anybody see the irony? " Pretty sure this is apocryphal, but for context, I used to work for a legal firm, of the sort that does this level of corporate legal tax dodging, and their top top lawyers would charge £600 per "time unit" for their services. That time unit was 0-6 minutes... So theoretically, if they had enough work to do and the client had deep enough pockets, that's £6000 an hour. Call it a 10 hour day for fun (and easy maths!) and that's £60,000 a day if they spend the whole time engaged on a single client (bear in mind they would do 1 minutes work, charge the 6 minute fee, and then more to another client and do another 2 minutes work, charge the same fee, and so double book the fee earning...cunts!). Let's say a 5 day working week with 8 weeks holidays to that's a shade over 13 million for someone working non stop of helping Barclays avoid tax. But it doesn't take that much time at all. They may have spent £40m on lawyers fees that included work on tax dodging, but probably not possible to spend that on 1 man... | |||
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"Lecturer salary in United Kingdom How much does a Lecturer make in United Kingdom? Average base salary 18.3k salaries reported, updated at 28 November 2021 £33,746per year Why do we make a big deal when others earn a respectable wage? Why in this country do we feel in order for "us" to win, someone else has to lose. Why can't we all aspire to earning £33k a year. It's not that much higher than the national average of £25,971 and if they are good at their job they will help our kids to earn more in their lifetime also." You've made a great point. But also - your Christmas name is a thing of beauty.  | |||
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