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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family?" The Royal Family has survived way worse than this, their popularity was at an all time low when Diana died and they have come back from that and I think they’re generally liked now, the Queen especially as are Kate and Wills. I don’t think Megan has the power to bring the family down, she hardly has any support any more and people have wised up to her lies since the Opra interview. She doesn’t have any credibility any more. The Andrew situation is horrific if true, and his awful interview suggests it probably is, but they’re used to and good at covering this sort of thing up, I’m sure they’ve covered up worse in the past. They have incredible power and influence around the world and I’m sure they’ll use it to make the problem go away. I do think it would do the family a lot of good if Charles abdicated and let Wills be king, I don’t have anything against Charles but he’s a bit of a relic and out of touch now I think, Wills being king would give the whole country a lift I reckon. I saw an interview with Charles where he said he wasn’t actually looking forward to being king because he’d have to stop all the charity work he does to be able to fulfil his official duties as king so maybe it’s something he’s considering anyway. | |||
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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family? The Royal Family has survived way worse than this, their popularity was at an all time low when Diana died and they have come back from that and I think they’re generally liked now, the Queen especially as are Kate and Wills. I don’t think Megan has the power to bring the family down, she hardly has any support any more and people have wised up to her lies since the Opra interview. She doesn’t have any credibility any more. The Andrew situation is horrific if true, and his awful interview suggests it probably is, but they’re used to and good at covering this sort of thing up, I’m sure they’ve covered up worse in the past. They have incredible power and influence around the world and I’m sure they’ll use it to make the problem go away. I do think it would do the family a lot of good if Charles abdicated and let Wills be king, I don’t have anything against Charles but he’s a bit of a relic and out of touch now I think, Wills being king would give the whole country a lift I reckon. I saw an interview with Charles where he said he wasn’t actually looking forward to being king because he’d have to stop all the charity work he does to be able to fulfil his official duties as king so maybe it’s something he’s considering anyway. " Agree with your point on charles, will and kate would make good royals, but i fear charles will feel it his duty to atleast do a few years in charge, but your point about diana, they still had a leader, and most of us saw her for what she was, who do you think megan learned it from | |||
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"The queen looks poorly "yes she does, she is i think 95 tho, may be the odd year out, but still, good age | |||
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yes she does, she is i think 95 tho, may be the odd year out, but still, good age"Yes | |||
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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family? The Royal Family has survived way worse than this, their popularity was at an all time low when Diana died and they have come back from that and I think they’re generally liked now, the Queen especially as are Kate and Wills. I don’t think Megan has the power to bring the family down, she hardly has any support any more and people have wised up to her lies since the Opra interview. She doesn’t have any credibility any more. The Andrew situation is horrific if true, and his awful interview suggests it probably is, but they’re used to and good at covering this sort of thing up, I’m sure they’ve covered up worse in the past. They have incredible power and influence around the world and I’m sure they’ll use it to make the problem go away. I do think it would do the family a lot of good if Charles abdicated and let Wills be king, I don’t have anything against Charles but he’s a bit of a relic and out of touch now I think, Wills being king would give the whole country a lift I reckon. I saw an interview with Charles where he said he wasn’t actually looking forward to being king because he’d have to stop all the charity work he does to be able to fulfil his official duties as king so maybe it’s something he’s considering anyway. Agree with your point on charles, will and kate would make good royals, but i fear charles will feel it his duty to atleast do a few years in charge, but your point about diana, they still had a leader, and most of us saw her for what she was, who do you think megan learned it from" Yeah, I see what you mean actually, maybe they got through the post Diana times because of the Queen and without her it won’t be so easy, I hadn’t thought of that and it’s a worrying prospect. I can understand why people are against the monarchy because it’s a bit medieval that someone gets so much power and privilege purely because of the family they’re born into but it’s not just them that it applies to, it’s the same for anyone born into a wealthy, aristocratic family, they’re just at the head of the table. The alternative is that the government and House of Lords have absolute power with no one watching over them and that scares me. I like knowing that the Queen or King has the power to step in if things get really bad, it would have to be really bad for that to happen but at least it means we’ll never end up with a dictatorship running the country. | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot." Cool......! And i should be a top class, world renouned surgeon because i did my own shoe laces up this morning!  | |||
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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family?" Hopefully I don't see the point of royal family. | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot. Cool......! And i should be a top class, world renouned surgeon because i did my own shoe laces up this morning! "It’s acceptable to be jealous of a woman who is attractive , fit, has great skin and hair , intelligent , successful and pulled little Harry, the little thick ginger prince all the girls snail over . She would make a great queen  | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot. Cool......! And i should be a top class, world renouned surgeon because i did my own shoe laces up this morning!
It’s acceptable to be jealous of a woman who is attractive , fit, has great skin and hair , intelligent , successful and pulled little Harry, the little thick ginger prince all the girls snail over . She would make a great queen "Snail over!  | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot. Cool......! And i should be a top class, world renouned surgeon because i did my own shoe laces up this morning!
It’s acceptable to be jealous of a woman who is attractive , fit, has great skin and hair , intelligent , successful and pulled little Harry, the little thick ginger prince all the girls snail over . She would make a great queen
Snail over! " | |||
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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family? The Royal Family has survived way worse than this, their popularity was at an all time low when Diana died and they have come back from that and I think they’re generally liked now, the Queen especially as are Kate and Wills. I don’t think Megan has the power to bring the family down, she hardly has any support any more and people have wised up to her lies since the Opra interview. She doesn’t have any credibility any more. The Andrew situation is horrific if true, and his awful interview suggests it probably is, but they’re used to and good at covering this sort of thing up, I’m sure they’ve covered up worse in the past. They have incredible power and influence around the world and I’m sure they’ll use it to make the problem go away. I do think it would do the family a lot of good if Charles abdicated and let Wills be king, I don’t have anything against Charles but he’s a bit of a relic and out of touch now I think, Wills being king would give the whole country a lift I reckon. I saw an interview with Charles where he said he wasn’t actually looking forward to being king because he’d have to stop all the charity work he does to be able to fulfil his official duties as king so maybe it’s something he’s considering anyway. Agree with your point on charles, will and kate would make good royals, but i fear charles will feel it his duty to atleast do a few years in charge, but your point about diana, they still had a leader, and most of us saw her for what she was, who do you think megan learned it from Yeah, I see what you mean actually, maybe they got through the post Diana times because of the Queen and without her it won’t be so easy, I hadn’t thought of that and it’s a worrying prospect. I can understand why people are against the monarchy because it’s a bit medieval that someone gets so much power and privilege purely because of the family they’re born into but it’s not just them that it applies to, it’s the same for anyone born into a wealthy, aristocratic family, they’re just at the head of the table. The alternative is that the government and House of Lords have absolute power with no one watching over them and that scares me. I like knowing that the Queen or King has the power to step in if things get really bad, it would have to be really bad for that to happen but at least it means we’ll never end up with a dictatorship running the country. "
I find it odd when people get pissed off at the royals for being wealthy. They are trapped in that situation, they have royal duties they can't get out of.
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"The queen looks poorly
yes she does, she is i think 95 tho, may be the odd year out, but still, good age"She was entitled to a peaceful retirement a long time ago. Ridiculous that she is still in charge at this age. She should be allowed to rest and retire | |||
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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family? The Royal Family has survived way worse than this, their popularity was at an all time low when Diana died and they have come back from that and I think they’re generally liked now, the Queen especially as are Kate and Wills. I don’t think Megan has the power to bring the family down, she hardly has any support any more and people have wised up to her lies since the Opra interview. She doesn’t have any credibility any more. The Andrew situation is horrific if true, and his awful interview suggests it probably is, but they’re used to and good at covering this sort of thing up, I’m sure they’ve covered up worse in the past. They have incredible power and influence around the world and I’m sure they’ll use it to make the problem go away. I do think it would do the family a lot of good if Charles abdicated and let Wills be king, I don’t have anything against Charles but he’s a bit of a relic and out of touch now I think, Wills being king would give the whole country a lift I reckon. I saw an interview with Charles where he said he wasn’t actually looking forward to being king because he’d have to stop all the charity work he does to be able to fulfil his official duties as king so maybe it’s something he’s considering anyway. Agree with your point on charles, will and kate would make good royals, but i fear charles will feel it his duty to atleast do a few years in charge, but your point about diana, they still had a leader, and most of us saw her for what she was, who do you think megan learned it from Yeah, I see what you mean actually, maybe they got through the post Diana times because of the Queen and without her it won’t be so easy, I hadn’t thought of that and it’s a worrying prospect. I can understand why people are against the monarchy because it’s a bit medieval that someone gets so much power and privilege purely because of the family they’re born into but it’s not just them that it applies to, it’s the same for anyone born into a wealthy, aristocratic family, they’re just at the head of the table. The alternative is that the government and House of Lords have absolute power with no one watching over them and that scares me. I like knowing that the Queen or King has the power to step in if things get really bad, it would have to be really bad for that to happen but at least it means we’ll never end up with a dictatorship running the country.
I find it odd when people get pissed off at the royals for being wealthy. They are trapped in that situation, they have royal duties they can't get out of.
There's loads of other massively wealthy people who do sod all around the world....."When people resent the royal family being rich it is often because they feel that money that has been accumulated by the crown really belongs to the people of the country. Castles, massive estates, billions in assets, and it isn’t exactly been accumulated on the back of commercial endeavour. | |||
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"The queen looks poorly
yes she does, she is i think 95 tho, may be the odd year out, but still, good age
She was entitled to a peaceful retirement a long time ago. Ridiculous that she is still in charge at this age. She should be allowed to rest and retire "To do that she would have to abdicate and that's extremely unlikely. Charles won't abdicate either, he's known he'll eventually be monarch since the day he was born and he's fulfilling many of the duties now. Wills is just going to have to wait his turn | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot. Cool......! And i should be a top class, world renouned surgeon because i did my own shoe laces up this morning!
It’s acceptable to be jealous of a woman who is attractive , fit, has great skin and hair , intelligent , successful and pulled little Harry, the little thick ginger prince all the girls snail over . She would make a great queen "We will never know. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do " I don’t knew about abolishing altogether, but given that their role is largely ceremonial these days, a hefty dose of rebalancing would be healthy. They don’t need castles and estates all over the place, most should be handed over to the state and either operate as museums or repurposed. I don’t think many people mind the queen living in Buckingham palace or Windsor, but it becomes a giant piss-take when we hear of the money being spent on homes for minor royals who will never sit on the throne. | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. " Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals " Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe  | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe "I referred to the next generation after qe2, which is Charles, Andrew etc. William is the generation after that. And yes, I do think a lot of people are pretty apathetic about Charles. I don’t hear many people saying that Charles will be a massive improvement ... | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe
I referred to the next generation after qe2, which is Charles, Andrew etc. William is the generation after that. And yes, I do think a lot of people are pretty apathetic about Charles. I don’t hear many people saying that Charles will be a massive improvement ... "I find the whole thing fascinating, how it all works, what our expectations and impressions of the members of the royal family are compared to the reality. My opinion is that they are bigging up Prince William to give a better impression of the entire monarchy. I could be wrong, it has been known. | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot." The Daily Mail would be in ruins! | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe
I referred to the next generation after qe2, which is Charles, Andrew etc. William is the generation after that. And yes, I do think a lot of people are pretty apathetic about Charles. I don’t hear many people saying that Charles will be a massive improvement ...
I find the whole thing fascinating, how it all works, what our expectations and impressions of the members of the royal family are compared to the reality. My opinion is that they are bigging up Prince William to give a better impression of the entire monarchy. I could be wrong, it has been known. "I grew up in Ireland, where the corresponding role is president ... top job but largely ceremonial in terms of duties. He (current one, previous few were female) lives in a large house in the Phoenix park in Dublin. But thats it, and when his term is over he moves out, and in the meantime his entire family, descendants, cousins and siblings are not on a lifelong freebie. So despite being a largely ceremonial role, there are no calls for the position to be abolished. The arrangement makes a lot more sense in the modern world | |||
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"Harry & Meghan were wise to leave when they did. God bless the Queen, but the Royal Family is trash and should be abolished as soon as she passes. No one likes Charles, his brother is a pedophile that the media by and large overlooks, and it is clear that the younger generations are not 100% into carrying on the charade any longer. " Unlike PMs, None of them chose this life, a constitutional monarchy is outdated, at least with a proper monarchy they have responsibilities to serve the people, these lot are just lousy tourist attractions. Apart from Meghan of course. | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe
I referred to the next generation after qe2, which is Charles, Andrew etc. William is the generation after that. And yes, I do think a lot of people are pretty apathetic about Charles. I don’t hear many people saying that Charles will be a massive improvement ...
I find the whole thing fascinating, how it all works, what our expectations and impressions of the members of the royal family are compared to the reality. My opinion is that they are bigging up Prince William to give a better impression of the entire monarchy. I could be wrong, it has been known.
I grew up in Ireland, where the corresponding role is president ... top job but largely ceremonial in terms of duties. He (current one, previous few were female) lives in a large house in the Phoenix park in Dublin. But thats it, and when his term is over he moves out, and in the meantime his entire family, descendants, cousins and siblings are not on a lifelong freebie. So despite being a largely ceremonial role, there are no calls for the position to be abolished. The arrangement makes a lot more sense in the modern world "I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm not a supporter of the monarchy and it's carefully crafted propoganda campaign. As I said I find it endlessly fascinating and people's reactions and impressions to and of them interesting. We often hear the phrase "hard working royal" for instance and people rarely question it but do any of them come home from a hard day's work to laundry, housework, etc have they ever worried about missing a days pay because they can't find childcare? | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe
I referred to the next generation after qe2, which is Charles, Andrew etc. William is the generation after that. And yes, I do think a lot of people are pretty apathetic about Charles. I don’t hear many people saying that Charles will be a massive improvement ...
I find the whole thing fascinating, how it all works, what our expectations and impressions of the members of the royal family are compared to the reality. My opinion is that they are bigging up Prince William to give a better impression of the entire monarchy. I could be wrong, it has been known.
I grew up in Ireland, where the corresponding role is president ... top job but largely ceremonial in terms of duties. He (current one, previous few were female) lives in a large house in the Phoenix park in Dublin. But thats it, and when his term is over he moves out, and in the meantime his entire family, descendants, cousins and siblings are not on a lifelong freebie. So despite being a largely ceremonial role, there are no calls for the position to be abolished. The arrangement makes a lot more sense in the modern world
I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm not a supporter of the monarchy and it's carefully crafted propoganda campaign. As I said I find it endlessly fascinating and people's reactions and impressions to and of them interesting. We often hear the phrase "hard working royal" for instance and people rarely question it but do any of them come home from a hard day's work to laundry, housework, etc have they ever worried about missing a days pay because they can't find childcare?"Putting their name to a charity, attending dinners and opening new facilities consumes most of their time, but it is hardly work in the sense that we recognise it ... fighting for promotions, risk of being fired, mergers, takeovers, uncertainty, loans, mortgages, the stuff that we all go through. Opening a supermarket and then returning to your castle in a motorcade for a feed of barbecued swan isn’t really the same thing. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t swap my life for theirs, living in a gilded cage must be horrific. But someone like Prince Edward, lives in a giant house in Surrey (bagshot park), doesn’t have the media attention that those closer to the throne have, and costs us a fortune each year. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do " Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe
I referred to the next generation after qe2, which is Charles, Andrew etc. William is the generation after that. And yes, I do think a lot of people are pretty apathetic about Charles. I don’t hear many people saying that Charles will be a massive improvement ...
I find the whole thing fascinating, how it all works, what our expectations and impressions of the members of the royal family are compared to the reality. My opinion is that they are bigging up Prince William to give a better impression of the entire monarchy. I could be wrong, it has been known.
I grew up in Ireland, where the corresponding role is president ... top job but largely ceremonial in terms of duties. He (current one, previous few were female) lives in a large house in the Phoenix park in Dublin. But thats it, and when his term is over he moves out, and in the meantime his entire family, descendants, cousins and siblings are not on a lifelong freebie. So despite being a largely ceremonial role, there are no calls for the position to be abolished. The arrangement makes a lot more sense in the modern world
I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm not a supporter of the monarchy and it's carefully crafted propoganda campaign. As I said I find it endlessly fascinating and people's reactions and impressions to and of them interesting. We often hear the phrase "hard working royal" for instance and people rarely question it but do any of them come home from a hard day's work to laundry, housework, etc have they ever worried about missing a days pay because they can't find childcare?
Putting their name to a charity, attending dinners and opening new facilities consumes most of their time, but it is hardly work in the sense that we recognise it ... fighting for promotions, risk of being fired, mergers, takeovers, uncertainty, loans, mortgages, the stuff that we all go through.
Opening a supermarket and then returning to your castle in a motorcade for a feed of barbecued swan isn’t really the same thing.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t swap my life for theirs, living in a gilded cage must be horrific. But someone like Prince Edward, lives in a giant house in Surrey (bagshot park), doesn’t have the media attention that those closer to the throne have, and costs us a fortune each year. "Barbecued swan | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. " I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates." Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? " I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though." .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. | |||
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"Team Meghan What? " She’s brilliant. She really gets under the skin of the far right in this country | |||
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"Team Meghan What? She’s brilliant. She really gets under the skin of the far right in this country " That, in itself, does not make her “brilliant”. Nice that you take pleasure in the fact that someone gets under the skin of the fat right, but I am no more interested in her “brilliance” than any other minor royals. That doesn’t make me racist, sexist, jealous etc, as has been suggested earlier in this thread, I just don’t see any point / value in any of the minor royals. | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot." She is! I love meghan x | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot. She is! I love meghan x" Soneone start a change dot org , Meghan for Queen, it will get the numbers easily | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. " Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around." Seriously, where do you think all of their “wealth” has come from? | |||
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"Meghan should be queen, she’s hot. She is! I love meghan x Soneone start a change dot org , Meghan for Queen, it will get the numbers easily "I didn’t realise it worked that way. What a strange system | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around. Seriously, where do you think all of their “wealth” has come from? " History.. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around. Seriously, where do you think all of their “wealth” has come from? History.." .. and how did the royal family acquire such wealth historically? Wasn’t from successful business ventures, was it! The numbers are eye-watering, more than 20 billion gbp in the estate in total. Vast tracts of London property, and millions of acres of countryside. History? Yes. But taken/claimed by previous royals, and the current royals get to live off these estates. Eg duchy of Cornwall, vast annual income. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do " why to people keep spouting this bs, the royal family bring in more than they cost in a huge way, more than me and you ever will | |||
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"The queen looks poorly
yes she does, she is i think 95 tho, may be the odd year out, but still, good age
She was entitled to a peaceful retirement a long time ago. Ridiculous that she is still in charge at this age. She should be allowed to rest and retire "she has always had that right but chose not to | |||
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" Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t swap my life for theirs, living in a gilded cage must be horrific. But someone like Prince Edward, lives in a giant house in Surrey (bagshot park), doesn’t have the media attention that those closer to the throne have, and costs us a fortune each year. " does he, think you might find he gets paid for by the civil list, which in turn is more than covered by the income crom the crown and estates, so he is in effect free, no tax money in effect goes towards any of the royals, if anything they are net contributers | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around." thats not exactly true, although they arent directly funded by the civil list, they , if need be, are funded by the queens share of it, im not sure any tax money in reality goes to them | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around. Seriously, where do you think all of their “wealth” has come from? History.. .. and how did the royal family acquire such wealth historically? Wasn’t from successful business ventures, was it! The numbers are eye-watering, more than 20 billion gbp in the estate in total. Vast tracts of London property, and millions of acres of countryside. History? Yes. But taken/claimed by previous royals, and the current royals get to live off these estates. Eg duchy of Cornwall, vast annual income. " so if you inherited money from your family, would you turn it down? | |||
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"Time to become a republic, this hereditary monarchy nonsense is like something out of the dark ages! " while that is true to a point, the queen although has the power to over rule parlement, she has very rarly done so in extream times, you do in effect get to vote for you head of state, called the prime minister | |||
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" Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t swap my life for theirs, living in a gilded cage must be horrific. But someone like Prince Edward, lives in a giant house in Surrey (bagshot park), doesn’t have the media attention that those closer to the throne have, and costs us a fortune each year. does he, think you might find he gets paid for by the civil list, which in turn is more than covered by the income crom the crown and estates, so he is in effect free, no tax money in effect goes towards any of the royals, if anything they are net contributers" And they acquired the 20 billion gbp crown estate how exactly? Through hard work and successful commercial endeavours? No, from their predecessors deciding that they owned vast tracts of land and property. The royals do not need 20 billion and a string of castles. Prince Edward does not need or deserve a vast pile like bagshot park. And saying that it’s ok because it is funded by the royals living off a 20 billion gbp estate rather misses the point. | |||
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"Personally I think when the Queen dies it’s time to abolish the monarchy and return their estates to the country It’s an outdated system and in a country which has massive social deprivation it’s a disgrace that we pay them to live in the manner they do Do you realise that tourism and money generated from rental on Crown estates brings in approximately £1.8 billion annually into the UK economy. That is an awful lot of money for the economy to lose if the monarchy was abolished and the estates land sold of to private individuals. I don't think there's an appetite for abolishing the monarchy but I wonder how much of that revenue Prince Edward generates. Agreed. Having a ceremonial head of state funded is one thing, but the depth and breadth of the group that are funded is ridiculous. Edward is a good example; more or less invisible to the general public, why do we need to provide a huge stately home for him? I don't think we contribute to Prince Edward, his income is from the Queen as far as I know. I shudder at the deference shown to him though. .. and where did the queen get that money from? There are an absolute ton of royals being funded and living in castles and stately homes. Trimming that right back might improve public opinion. Only the monarch benefits from the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List). The others only get public money spent on them if/when they perform any official duties, so relatively few. That said, they are all independently wealthy from trust funds and subsequent investments, depending on how long they have been around. Seriously, where do you think all of their “wealth” has come from? History.. .. and how did the royal family acquire such wealth historically? Wasn’t from successful business ventures, was it! The numbers are eye-watering, more than 20 billion gbp in the estate in total. Vast tracts of London property, and millions of acres of countryside. History? Yes. But taken/claimed by previous royals, and the current royals get to live off these estates. Eg duchy of Cornwall, vast annual income. so if you inherited money from your family, would you turn it down?" That misses the point, which is how the 20 billion was achieved and accumulated. Also, If I did, then massive amounts of death duties would be due and paid. But the crown estate is intact. | |||
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"having read through this threat , it amazes me the lack of knowlage on the royals and how they are funded etc. maybe the next leader of the royals first job should be to explain publicly where the money comes from, not that it isnt public knowlage already, but people seem to lazy to do recerch. and also how much money they bring to the country, not as easy to quantify tbh, but still possibla im sure. that would be thier best salvation, the fact that the royal family, and thats all of them, in total are net contrubiters to the econamy not detracters, yes they done all make us money, but as a whole they do" If you stripped the royal households right back to the monarch’s personal residences (Buckingham palace, Windsor etc), then most of the tourist money would still come in. And turn some of the best of the rest into museums. But tourists do not fly to the uk to see bagshot park. They visit Windsor, Buckingham palace etc And the royals owning the duchy of Cornwall does not bring in tourist money. Cousins of the monarch living off the Crown estate does not feel right. | |||
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"having read through this threat , it amazes me the lack of knowlage on the royals and how they are funded etc. maybe the next leader of the royals first job should be to explain publicly where the money comes from, not that it isnt public knowlage already, but people seem to lazy to do recerch. and also how much money they bring to the country, not as easy to quantify tbh, but still possibla im sure. that would be thier best salvation, the fact that the royal family, and thats all of them, in total are net contrubiters to the econamy not detracters, yes they done all make us money, but as a whole they do If you stripped the royal households right back to the monarch’s personal residences (Buckingham palace, Windsor etc), then most of the tourist money would still come in. And turn some of the best of the rest into museums. But tourists do not fly to the uk to see bagshot park. They visit Windsor, Buckingham palace etc And the royals owning the duchy of Cornwall does not bring in tourist money. Cousins of the monarch living off the Crown estate does not feel right. " Buckingham Palace is not a Royal residence, its a working residence, in other words, the office. The Queens official London residence is St James Palace. Lady Astor | |||
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"Are we going to strip all the other billionaires of their assets too? The ones who actually do sod all for the country? " The ones who earned it? | |||
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"Are we going to strip all the other billionaires of their assets too? The ones who actually do sod all for the country? The ones who earned it? " Did their kids earn it or inherit it? | |||
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"having read through this threat , it amazes me the lack of knowlage on the royals and how they are funded etc. maybe the next leader of the royals first job should be to explain publicly where the money comes from, not that it isnt public knowlage already, but people seem to lazy to do recerch. and also how much money they bring to the country, not as easy to quantify tbh, but still possibla im sure. that would be thier best salvation, the fact that the royal family, and thats all of them, in total are net contrubiters to the econamy not detracters, yes they done all make us money, but as a whole they do If you stripped the royal households right back to the monarch’s personal residences (Buckingham palace, Windsor etc), then most of the tourist money would still come in. And turn some of the best of the rest into museums. But tourists do not fly to the uk to see bagshot park. They visit Windsor, Buckingham palace etc And the royals owning the duchy of Cornwall does not bring in tourist money. Cousins of the monarch living off the Crown estate does not feel right. Buckingham Palace is not a Royal residence, its a working residence, in other words, the office. The Queens official London residence is St James Palace. Lady Astor" Her official residence in London is Buckingham palace. Yes there is a lot of admin there too, but that’s where she stays when she is in London. St James palace has not been the main London residence of the monarch for almost 200 years | |||
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"Are we going to strip all the other billionaires of their assets too? The ones who actually do sod all for the country? The ones who earned it? Did their kids earn it or inherit it?" The distinction I am drawing is between those who she earned billions through business vs those who have accumulated it by deciding that they own it. As for inheritance, in theory, billionaires pay inheritance tax when passing wealth to the next generation, as opposed to the crown estate where the assets are protected. Of course, in practice, billionaires are far more likely to pass wealth in during their lifetime, thus avoiding inheritance tax. | |||
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"Well with the Queen in failing health, hopefully not going to go anytime soon, as im a massive fan and think shes been good for the country, however all the sleeze Anderw, and the lying in court Megan has done, do you think that when the queen does go that this will bring down the family? The Royal Family has survived way worse than this, their popularity was at an all time low when Diana died and they have come back from that and I think they’re generally liked now, the Queen especially as are Kate and Wills. I don’t think Megan has the power to bring the family down, she hardly has any support any more and people have wised up to her lies since the Opra interview. She doesn’t have any credibility any more. The Andrew situation is horrific if true, and his awful interview suggests it probably is, but they’re used to and good at covering this sort of thing up, I’m sure they’ve covered up worse in the past. They have incredible power and influence around the world and I’m sure they’ll use it to make the problem go away. I do think it would do the family a lot of good if Charles abdicated and let Wills be king, I don’t have anything against Charles but he’s a bit of a relic and out of touch now I think, Wills being king would give the whole country a lift I reckon. I saw an interview with Charles where he said he wasn’t actually looking forward to being king because he’d have to stop all the charity work he does to be able to fulfil his official duties as king so maybe it’s something he’s considering anyway. Agree with your point on charles, will and kate would make good royals, but i fear charles will feel it his duty to atleast do a few years in charge, but your point about diana, they still had a leader, and most of us saw her for what she was, who do you think megan learned it from Yeah, I see what you mean actually, maybe they got through the post Diana times because of the Queen and without her it won’t be so easy, I hadn’t thought of that and it’s a worrying prospect. I can understand why people are against the monarchy because it’s a bit medieval that someone gets so much power and privilege purely because of the family they’re born into but it’s not just them that it applies to, it’s the same for anyone born into a wealthy, aristocratic family, they’re just at the head of the table. The alternative is that the government and House of Lords have absolute power with no one watching over them and that scares me. I like knowing that the Queen or King has the power to step in if things get really bad, it would have to be really bad for that to happen but at least it means we’ll never end up with a dictatorship running the country.
I find it odd when people get pissed off at the royals for being wealthy. They are trapped in that situation, they have royal duties they can't get out of.
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"Time to become a republic, this hereditary monarchy nonsense is like something out of the dark ages! " Like the USA?.....how's that working out? | |||
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"Oh and no, the current problems won't bring the monarchy down. If they were going to they already would have. Nothing will change whole qe2 is still alive. I think the suggestion is that once she passes on, things might change, due to public apathy about the next generation or royals Is the public apathetic about them? I think the very (to me) obvious campaign against Prince Harry and Meghan and pro Prince William and Kate will do it's job nicely and King Charles will be welcomed. Charles has already withstood adultery and marrying a divorcee, there will be a lavish coronation, people will say it's just what's needed in these dismal times and so it will continue. Nicholas Winchell's job is safe "It is a known fact that Charles despises him | |||
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