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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes" Why not a woman you were interested in? | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes" Thats interesting. If the woman you were interested in became your partner do you think you could open up then? | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes" Well said. Exactly this | |||
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"Some men yes Some men no Like anyone. Impossible to generalise. " This | |||
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"Ah if you can’t tell the woman your interested in your worries etc then what’s the point she’s ment to be a friend aswell as a lover " It's exactly that for us. We are best friends as well as lovers. | |||
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"No because we were thought as boys to act like a man, how many times were ever man on here told to man up as a child " I think this is the crux of it, our little boys need to know that showing emotions are ok? You can have these feelings because it is a human response, repression does so much damage and can take years to unravel | |||
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"In my experience it’s best to keep that stuff quiet to a woman your interested in as it’s a fast route to them not being interested Share emotions with your mum, family and bro. And if they’ll listen a pet" Tell me about it stud x | |||
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"In my experience it’s best to keep that stuff quiet to a woman your interested in as it’s a fast route to them not being interested Share emotions with your mum, family and bro. And if they’ll listen a pet Tell me about it stud x" And yas. She listens and understands. | |||
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"In my experience it’s best to keep that stuff quiet to a woman your interested in as it’s a fast route to them not being interested Share emotions with your mum, family and bro. And if they’ll listen a pet Tell me about it stud x And yas. She listens and understands. " | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes" Would have thought a woman your interested in Would make you closer | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes Why not a woman you were interested in? " Because a women I'm interested in to me means an early stage of interaction. I'd find it odd of they started unloading on me and visa versa | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. " My experiences is very different I also think there’s a difference between confiding in someone you’ve been with a while and someone new. Most women want a strong man to be their rock in the storm. Not someone that’s emotional and vulnerable. Not at the start anyways That’s just my experience | |||
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"In my experience it’s best to keep that stuff quiet to a woman your interested in as it’s a fast route to them not being interested Share emotions with your mum, family and bro. And if they’ll listen a pet" I would be upset if my partner felt he couldn't share his emotions with me, I'd feel like he didn't trust me enough with that...No need to be guarded | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. My experiences is very different I also think there’s a difference between confiding in someone you’ve been with a while and someone new. Most women want a strong man to be their rock in the storm. Not someone that’s emotional and vulnerable. Not at the start anyways That’s just my experience " Plenty of women are very self sufficient and don't need rocks or suchlike. They'd like a suitable companion and lover. | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes Thats interesting. If the woman you were interested in became your partner do you think you could open up then?" Absolutely but that's once you have gotten to know someone. I have no issue sharing my anxieties and vulnerabilities. Just with people I know and trust and fortunately I have enough of them | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes Thats interesting. If the woman you were interested in became your partner do you think you could open up then? Absolutely but that's once you have gotten to know someone. I have no issue sharing my anxieties and vulnerabilities. Just with people I know and trust and fortunately I have enough of them " Agree ^^ | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. My experiences is very different I also think there’s a difference between confiding in someone you’ve been with a while and someone new. Most women want a strong man to be their rock in the storm. Not someone that’s emotional and vulnerable. Not at the start anyways That’s just my experience Plenty of women are very self sufficient and don't need rocks or suchlike. They'd like a suitable companion and lover. " This. As far as I am concerned we are a partnership and sometimes I am the stronger one and sometimes he is, its like with everything in a relationship we share the responsibility. | |||
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"A women I'm interested in no. A friend yes Thats interesting. If the woman you were interested in became your partner do you think you could open up then? Absolutely but that's once you have gotten to know someone. I have no issue sharing my anxieties and vulnerabilities. Just with people I know and trust and fortunately I have enough of them " Makes totally sense. | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. " That sounds really hard x | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. " Would you like to feel more able to open up. | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. " Reading that makes me | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. That sounds really hard x" I’ve not known any different so I guess I’ve just got used to it. | |||
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"The context of this seems to have shifted. Of course you would share with a partner. But share with someone you were interested in? I wouldn't share with someone I was interested in, I don't know them enough at that stage." Exactly. People with healthy boundaries wouldn’t overshare at a very early stage. | |||
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"For me, there's a time and a place. But have been known to have my moments too." You are just one big softy | |||
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"Prefer to deal with things in my own head. " This (mr). Hardly ever talk about emotions with anyone. Mrs suspects I’m 1/2 Vulcan who’s missed out on the ears. Probably one of those spectrum types. Never understood people who always want to talk about their feelings and go on and on about their personal problems. Still empathetic to other, but just don’t have that need myself. | |||
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"For me, there's a time and a place. But have been known to have my moments too. You are just one big softy " Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. Would you like to feel more able to open up. " That’s probably one of those questions I’d spend the small hours pondering the answer to, and not coming up with one for it. | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. That sounds really hard x I’ve not known any different so I guess I’ve just got used to it. " I grew up in an environment where I couldn't talk about my I'm worries and they grew and grew. Fortunately I started to talk initially to my siblings in my mid 20's and I never thought it could possibly make a difference never mind the massive change it did make. It's never to later to start. Shite I've overshared tho I'm not interested in you so I don't think I've contradicted my earlier post | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. Would you like to feel more able to open up. That’s probably one of those questions I’d spend the small hours pondering the answer to, and not coming up with one for it. " I get that. Do you have someone you feel you could talk to if you ever wanted to? | |||
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"The context of this seems to have shifted. Of course you would share with a partner. But share with someone you were interested in? I wouldn't share with someone I was interested in, I don't know them enough at that stage. Exactly. People with healthy boundaries wouldn’t overshare at a very early stage." That’s when people do trauma dumping. Not talking about sharing really heavy stuff early on but just like if they were talking about something in general that upset them. Or if they were encouraged to talk and open up I wouldn’t see that as trauma dumping because I’m actively encouraging that person to share something with me. | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. " (Mr) That’s quite an interesting position. That of the fixer. Genuinely interested in the thought process. As a general observation from a number of long term FWB situations - whenever a female has confided deep concerns or problems , whether with an ex, at work etc then it has not always gone down well when a ‘fix’ has been suggested. Seemingly all that was wsnted was an ear to bend. Myself, i don’t even mention something unless I need help and then will only ask someone whom I think will have a better solution as my own for whatever reason of experience, training, maturity etc. i figure if I’m going to then reject their perspective then why ask them in the first place. I genuinely find this dynamic iterating but also very confusing and somewhat illogical. | |||
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" My experiences is very different I also think there’s a difference between confiding in someone you’ve been with a while and someone new. Most women want a strong man to be their rock in the storm. Not someone that’s emotional and vulnerable. Not at the start anyways That’s just my experience " 100% agree. The worst thing a man can do is take advice from women about what women want. It's the fast track to the friend zone. | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. (Mr) That’s quite an interesting position. That of the fixer. Genuinely interested in the thought process. As a general observation from a number of long term FWB situations - whenever a female has confided deep concerns or problems , whether with an ex, at work etc then it has not always gone down well when a ‘fix’ has been suggested. Seemingly all that was wsnted was an ear to bend. Myself, i don’t even mention something unless I need help and then will only ask someone whom I think will have a better solution as my own for whatever reason of experience, training, maturity etc. i figure if I’m going to then reject their perspective then why ask them in the first place. I genuinely find this dynamic iterating but also very confusing and somewhat illogical. " Yeah when we (women) talk or moan about things we don’t want people to offer fixes or solutions we just want someone to listen, reason we don’t want solutions is because WE ARE the fixers and have already thought of every possible solution ourselves and to have people say oh why don’t you try this it’s like we already have and it doesn’t work so that’s when it can be annoying and we just want someone to listen. Exceptions to this are when we say can you help or what’s the answer to this We are confusing! | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. Would you like to feel more able to open up. That’s probably one of those questions I’d spend the small hours pondering the answer to, and not coming up with one for it. I get that. Do you have someone you feel you could talk to if you ever wanted to? " I think so yes, but whether I would or not is a different story. | |||
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"I find I can’t open up to anyone about my feelings and fears. When I worry about stuff, it’s done alone, and in the dead of nights. Probably a result of the way I grew up. Socially awkward, insular, painfully shy. Would you like to feel more able to open up. That’s probably one of those questions I’d spend the small hours pondering the answer to, and not coming up with one for it. I get that. Do you have someone you feel you could talk to if you ever wanted to? I think so yes, but whether I would or not is a different story. " Oh I glad you feel you have someone to talk to if you ever wanted to. | |||
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"True story 2014 guy ex para but then SF absolute nails, macho in every sense of the word. This is the guy who I’ve previously spoke about when I was squatting in high heels, lost my balance whilst sucking him off, grabbed hold of his willy and swung round him like a may pole yeah? So even his dick was macho. Anyway after the first date I took him home he was talking about some war atrocities and he started crying. I’d never seen a guy properly crying before and it made me soaking, he was apologising for crying and I put his hand in my knickers to see what it had done to me. I would never ever judge a guy or be put off by him showing an emotional side. " IN that case, let me tell you about my childhood...... | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. (Mr) That’s quite an interesting position. That of the fixer. Genuinely interested in the thought process. As a general observation from a number of long term FWB situations - whenever a female has confided deep concerns or problems , whether with an ex, at work etc then it has not always gone down well when a ‘fix’ has been suggested. Seemingly all that was wsnted was an ear to bend. Myself, i don’t even mention something unless I need help and then will only ask someone whom I think will have a better solution as my own for whatever reason of experience, training, maturity etc. i figure if I’m going to then reject their perspective then why ask them in the first place. I genuinely find this dynamic iterating but also very confusing and somewhat illogical. Yeah when we (women) talk or moan about things we don’t want people to offer fixes or solutions we just want someone to listen, reason we don’t want solutions is because WE ARE the fixers and have already thought of every possible solution ourselves and to have people say oh why don’t you try this it’s like we already have and it doesn’t work so that’s when it can be annoying and we just want someone to listen. Exceptions to this are when we say can you help or what’s the answer to this We are confusing! " It was funny once as I commented “if you spent as much time looking for a new job as you do moaning about your current one then maybe you’d be happier” …. This apparently was not constructive. Despite being logically and factually correct. A couple of weeks after a slap, was asked for help to review a CV. Confised.com | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. " I had a feeling you would want to discuss this further To answer your question...I think it's easier for younger men in their early 20s as society has changed and is more acceptable to men showing emotions, but as a man in his 30s (and even more so in their 40s or 50s) we have spent our childhood and most of our adult life living in a society that was telling us that boys don't cry, that we need to man up and get shit done, that real men so this and don't do that, and we were exposed to this notion, at school, within our entourage, or the media ( I also come form a country where my generation was the last one that had to do mandatory military when you turned 18 - talk about a hyper masculine environment)....so it's not easy for me to change overnight. I am truly happy that young men nowadays grow up differently and society is more acceptable of men opening up, but sometimes I feel like it's turned 180 and now you're not a real man if you don't show emotions ...but it's so bloody difficult for me, I wish I could but I just can't...and it just makes me feel even worse when I hear women say "real men show their feelings " ...guess I'm not a real man, because I literally can't ( and I feel many other men feels this way)...and even writing this took a lot out of me, maybe it's the fact I am writing it, or the fact that there is anonymity, because I could never admit this face to face in front of someone | |||
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"I’ve made no bones about the fact that I’ve had a bloody hard time of it recently, huge life changes and turmoil. I’ve been a bit all over the place emotionally and I’ve been open about that for the most part with folks. I’ve had some amazing support from some quarters, others that I thought were friends ran off and didn’t look back. I would be and am careful with sharing my emotions in some places, simply because no matter what people say, many don’t want to see guys being emotional and do see it as less masculine. I’m not likely to invest my emotions where they’re not welcome. Some just want the flirty chat and nothing more. Some like guys to be stoic. I am an emotional person, I’m very self aware and I communicate those emotions when I can, I see it as a strength but not everyone sees it that way" Explains a lot | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. I had a feeling you would want to discuss this further To answer your question...I think it's easier for younger men in their early 20s as society has changed and is more acceptable to men showing emotions, but as a man in his 30s (and even more so in their 40s or 50s) we have spent our childhood and most of our adult life living in a society that was telling us that boys don't cry, that we need to man up and get shit done, that real men so this and don't do that, and we were exposed to this notion, at school, within our entourage, or the media ( I also come form a country where my generation was the last one that had to do mandatory military when you turned 18 - talk about a hyper masculine environment)....so it's not easy for me to change overnight. I am truly happy that young men nowadays grow up differently and society is more acceptable of men opening up, but sometimes I feel like it's turned 180 and now you're not a real man if you don't show emotions ...but it's so bloody difficult for me, I wish I could but I just can't...and it just makes me feel even worse when I hear women say "real men show their feelings " ...guess I'm not a real man, because I literally can't ( and I feel many other men feels this way)...and even writing this took a lot out of me, maybe it's the fact I am writing it, or the fact that there is anonymity, because I could never admit this face to face in front of someone " You could tell me anything my darling, if it helped I’d let you bend me over and you could talk to me whilst holding both my wrists and smashing me from behind. | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. I had a feeling you would want to discuss this further To answer your question...I think it's easier for younger men in their early 20s as society has changed and is more acceptable to men showing emotions, but as a man in his 30s (and even more so in their 40s or 50s) we have spent our childhood and most of our adult life living in a society that was telling us that boys don't cry, that we need to man up and get shit done, that real men so this and don't do that, and we were exposed to this notion, at school, within our entourage, or the media ( I also come form a country where my generation was the last one that had to do mandatory military when you turned 18 - talk about a hyper masculine environment)....so it's not easy for me to change overnight. I am truly happy that young men nowadays grow up differently and society is more acceptable of men opening up, but sometimes I feel like it's turned 180 and now you're not a real man if you don't show emotions ...but it's so bloody difficult for me, I wish I could but I just can't...and it just makes me feel even worse when I hear women say "real men show their feelings " ...guess I'm not a real man, because I literally can't ( and I feel many other men feels this way)...and even writing this took a lot out of me, maybe it's the fact I am writing it, or the fact that there is anonymity, because I could never admit this face to face in front of someone You could tell me anything my darling, if it helped I’d let you bend me over and you could talk to me whilst holding both my wrists and smashing me from behind. " This isn't something that can be "fixed" with sex I appreciate your offer though | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it " House prices are bonkers at the moment. If you can live with family and just save save save that’s the best option. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it House prices are bonkers at the moment. If you can live with family and just save save save that’s the best option. " If I could I’d own a house by now, just not feasible with what’s at home. But I’m lucky to have landed a well paid job that’ll get me a 15-20% deposit within about a year of saving if I work hard. Almost there, hopefully the market chills the fuck out | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. I had a feeling you would want to discuss this further To answer your question...I think it's easier for younger men in their early 20s as society has changed and is more acceptable to men showing emotions, but as a man in his 30s (and even more so in their 40s or 50s) we have spent our childhood and most of our adult life living in a society that was telling us that boys don't cry, that we need to man up and get shit done, that real men so this and don't do that, and we were exposed to this notion, at school, within our entourage, or the media ( I also come form a country where my generation was the last one that had to do mandatory military when you turned 18 - talk about a hyper masculine environment)....so it's not easy for me to change overnight. I am truly happy that young men nowadays grow up differently and society is more acceptable of men opening up, but sometimes I feel like it's turned 180 and now you're not a real man if you don't show emotions ...but it's so bloody difficult for me, I wish I could but I just can't...and it just makes me feel even worse when I hear women say "real men show their feelings " ...guess I'm not a real man, because I literally can't ( and I feel many other men feels this way)...and even writing this took a lot out of me, maybe it's the fact I am writing it, or the fact that there is anonymity, because I could never admit this face to face in front of someone You could tell me anything my darling, if it helped I’d let you bend me over and you could talk to me whilst holding both my wrists and smashing me from behind. This isn't something that can be "fixed" with sex I appreciate your offer though" But do you feel your emotions, are you scared by them and would run away from something if you found yourself experiencing emotions? I think as long as you are aware of them you’ll be fine. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it " Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me" Not exactly the same for me, but close…..and more so historically than currently, but it those past experiences that generally make me keep stuff to myself. I can be quite emotional internally and it can be too much for people to listen to if I let it all loose. The last time I had counselling, during the opening part of the session my counsellor got four pages of A4 notes out of me in just my initial brain dump. I tend not to tell partners as I find it harder talking to them. It feels all too close and I don’t like it. Plus the times I have done so it’s mostly ended in them getting bored of listening or getting pissed off and shitty because they heard something they didn’t like. So I tend not to bother any more. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. " Thankyou for this. I sometimes joke to myself that if I had an emergency I wouldn’t even know where to turn, it’s nice to read there are places you can go | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me Not exactly the same for me, but close…..and more so historically than currently, but it those past experiences that generally make me keep stuff to myself. I can be quite emotional internally and it can be too much for people to listen to if I let it all loose. The last time I had counselling, during the opening part of the session my counsellor got four pages of A4 notes out of me in just my initial brain dump. I tend not to tell partners as I find it harder talking to them. It feels all too close and I don’t like it. Plus the times I have done so it’s mostly ended in them getting bored of listening or getting pissed off and shitty because they heard something they didn’t like. So I tend not to bother any more." Sorry to hear that buddy. I think when people say they are there for you, it’s just words. What they mostly mean is they are there for you if it’s quick and convenient No one wants to deal with the real stuff, the difficult stuff. Hope your doing ok | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. Thankyou for this. I sometimes joke to myself that if I had an emergency I wouldn’t even know where to turn, it’s nice to read there are places you can go " There's definitely stuff out there. Directions for Men in this region have drop in support sessions, no booking needed etc. Also your local CAB is likely to be able to share details of local support services (various types) or might be able to assist themselves. There's national organisations who can give very practical help, for example, StepChange on debt etc. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me Not exactly the same for me, but close…..and more so historically than currently, but it those past experiences that generally make me keep stuff to myself. I can be quite emotional internally and it can be too much for people to listen to if I let it all loose. The last time I had counselling, during the opening part of the session my counsellor got four pages of A4 notes out of me in just my initial brain dump. I tend not to tell partners as I find it harder talking to them. It feels all too close and I don’t like it. Plus the times I have done so it’s mostly ended in them getting bored of listening or getting pissed off and shitty because they heard something they didn’t like. So I tend not to bother any more. Sorry to hear that buddy. I think when people say they are there for you, it’s just words. What they mostly mean is they are there for you if it’s quick and convenient No one wants to deal with the real stuff, the difficult stuff. Hope your doing ok" Yeah, I’m fine thanks bud. Some days it weighs heavier, but most days I’m that busy I don’t get chance to dwell. Hope you’re OK too. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. Thankyou for this. I sometimes joke to myself that if I had an emergency I wouldn’t even know where to turn, it’s nice to read there are places you can go " You can also text shout to 85258 to be connected to a mental health support service 24/7. Safeline have a helpline and online support service for male survivors of sexual abuse. CALM have a helpline and webchat that is open 5pm to Midnight, and exists to prevent male suicide in the UK. Respect have a helpline and webchat for male victims of domestic abuse, though it is open for restricted hours. For veterans CombatStress have a 24/7 helpline, but they don't provide a crisis service - they specialise in longer-term support. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. Thankyou for this. I sometimes joke to myself that if I had an emergency I wouldn’t even know where to turn, it’s nice to read there are places you can go You can also text shout to 85258 to be connected to a mental health support service 24/7. Safeline have a helpline and online support service for male survivors of sexual abuse. CALM have a helpline and webchat that is open 5pm to Midnight, and exists to prevent male suicide in the UK. Respect have a helpline and webchat for male victims of domestic abuse, though it is open for restricted hours. For veterans CombatStress have a 24/7 helpline, but they don't provide a crisis service - they specialise in longer-term support." I had no idea so much support was available! It’s great to see, but it makes me wonder why me and so many guy I know know about none of this? It’s that old saying, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And so few guys open up no one knows they need it. Saving all these in my phone. I’ve lost 9 friends in 10 years to suicide. I knew a few now that could use these. Thankyou | |||
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" I had no idea so much support was available! It’s great to see, but it makes me wonder why me and so many guy I know know about none of this? It’s that old saying, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And so few guys open up no one knows they need it. Saving all these in my phone. I’ve lost 9 friends in 10 years to suicide. I knew a few now that could use these. Thankyou " For me, a combination of needing help myself for various things. Needing to support others, so finding sources of help for them. Also my professional and volunteer life, which involves interaction with the likes of CVS and support services. Most of the services referred to on the thread can be located via online searches e.g "men's mental health support" will bring up national organisations and if you add "in XYZtown" then you'll find local services. | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. Thankyou for this. I sometimes joke to myself that if I had an emergency I wouldn’t even know where to turn, it’s nice to read there are places you can go You can also text shout to 85258 to be connected to a mental health support service 24/7. Safeline have a helpline and online support service for male survivors of sexual abuse. CALM have a helpline and webchat that is open 5pm to Midnight, and exists to prevent male suicide in the UK. Respect have a helpline and webchat for male victims of domestic abuse, though it is open for restricted hours. For veterans CombatStress have a 24/7 helpline, but they don't provide a crisis service - they specialise in longer-term support. I had no idea so much support was available! It’s great to see, but it makes me wonder why me and so many guy I know know about none of this? It’s that old saying, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And so few guys open up no one knows they need it. Saving all these in my phone. I’ve lost 9 friends in 10 years to suicide. I knew a few now that could use these. Thankyou " I try to publicise Shout and CALM whenever I can - you're right that they aren't particularly well known. Most crisis signposting is to the Samaritans (who also do a sterling job). | |||
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"I can honestly say that every time I’ve showed emotions outside of my mum, family and one particular girlfriend I was extremely close with, it’s come back to bite me. Even now I’m going through a rough patch working 70-80 hours a week since December trying to get on the property ladder, in a new city, and I know something is up, but I dunno how to express it to myself, let alone anyone else. Because my entire life has consisted of bottling it up and getting on with it. I hope we reach a point where guys can speak out for and not only not being judged for it, but actually offered help and support. I don’t even know what support is out there for guys. I’ve been told my whole life to sort stuff out myself because no one else will. And while I look at that as a good trait to have, because I’ve come back from serious drug addiction by myself, into a well paid job by myself, and I’m now very close to doing what most of this generation is struggling to do without help, get in the property ladder, all by myself. But at the same time it’s left me completely ignorant and unaware of any help or support that exists. All because I was told my entire life to bury it all and get on with it Not sure what kind of support you'd be looking for, but for men's mental health, there's organisations like Papyrus and Directions for Men (this one might be regional) which are specifically for men. Obviously if you're seeking other kinds of support then MH charities might not be what you want. Your local CVS (community and voluntary service) will have a list of providers of different types of support in your area, across a wealth of specialisms. You might also find local support groups for various things can be advertised within hospitals and doctors surgeries and not just the obvious health things. I've seen ads for carers support, financial support and all sorts on hospital notice boards. Thankyou for this. I sometimes joke to myself that if I had an emergency I wouldn’t even know where to turn, it’s nice to read there are places you can go You can also text shout to 85258 to be connected to a mental health support service 24/7. Safeline have a helpline and online support service for male survivors of sexual abuse. CALM have a helpline and webchat that is open 5pm to Midnight, and exists to prevent male suicide in the UK. Respect have a helpline and webchat for male victims of domestic abuse, though it is open for restricted hours. For veterans CombatStress have a 24/7 helpline, but they don't provide a crisis service - they specialise in longer-term support. I had no idea so much support was available! It’s great to see, but it makes me wonder why me and so many guy I know know about none of this? It’s that old saying, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And so few guys open up no one knows they need it. Saving all these in my phone. I’ve lost 9 friends in 10 years to suicide. I knew a few now that could use these. Thankyou I try to publicise Shout and CALM whenever I can - you're right that they aren't particularly well known. Most crisis signposting is to the Samaritans (who also do a sterling job)." I think shout and CALM are better if you want ongoing support/ signposting where as the samaritans are better if you just want someone to talk to in the moment but that's just my opinion. | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. " that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep" I’ve lost loads as well. In 2008 I was going to one funeral a week for months. Friends I’d been in a funeral with a few weeks previous I was then attending their funerals. | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep I’ve lost loads as well. In 2008 I was going to one funeral a week for months. Friends I’d been in a funeral with a few weeks previous I was then attending their funerals. " I've been in their shoes, I've had times where I've been like that but I power through, I feel like I've been out on earth to do something amazing or to help someone | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep I’ve lost loads as well. In 2008 I was going to one funeral a week for months. Friends I’d been in a funeral with a few weeks previous I was then attending their funerals. " Wow, can’t imagine how hard that must be. Lost a few relatives and closest ever friend to suicide over the years. But weekly! Mind boggles. That's a lot of people. | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep I’ve lost loads as well. In 2008 I was going to one funeral a week for months. Friends I’d been in a funeral with a few weeks previous I was then attending their funerals. Wow, can’t imagine how hard that must be. Lost a few relatives and closest ever friend to suicide over the years. But weekly! Mind boggles. That's a lot of people. " There was even a film made about it Can’t post links but I’ve copied the article about it. Like I’m not exaggerating when I say I’ve lost loads of people to suicide, loads. This is the article: Since 2007 ninety-nine young people have been found hanged in Bridgend, South Wales. Most of the victims knew each other, and with few exceptions, none of them left notes. Many in the town believed a serial killer was at large, others assumed it was a suicide cult. The deaths struck fear and unrest into the hearts of most. Headlines splashed across the UK have earned Bridgend the nickname: Death Town. Bridgend is the groundbreaking documentary that investigates the events that caused the sleepy little town to become the subject of gruesome speculation across the United Kingdom. Many of the victims were pretty young girls who typically do not commit suicide by violent methods. The film traces their final hours and shines a light on a shocking story that needs to be told. | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep I’ve lost loads as well. In 2008 I was going to one funeral a week for months. Friends I’d been in a funeral with a few weeks previous I was then attending their funerals. Wow, can’t imagine how hard that must be. Lost a few relatives and closest ever friend to suicide over the years. But weekly! Mind boggles. That's a lot of people. There was even a film made about it Can’t post links but I’ve copied the article about it. Like I’m not exaggerating when I say I’ve lost loads of people to suicide, loads. This is the article: Since 2007 ninety-nine young people have been found hanged in Bridgend, South Wales. Most of the victims knew each other, and with few exceptions, none of them left notes. Many in the town believed a serial killer was at large, others assumed it was a suicide cult. The deaths struck fear and unrest into the hearts of most. Headlines splashed across the UK have earned Bridgend the nickname: Death Town. Bridgend is the groundbreaking documentary that investigates the events that caused the sleepy little town to become the subject of gruesome speculation across the United Kingdom. Many of the victims were pretty young girls who typically do not commit suicide by violent methods. The film traces their final hours and shines a light on a shocking story that needs to be told. " Did they ever get to bottom of what's been happening and why and has it stopped now? | |||
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"I’ve done some pretty grim jobs in my time crime and trauma scene cleaning and prison custody officer in a male prison, plus I’m from Bridgend I’m South Wales which was known for all the suicides. I’ve picked up bits of brain from train tracks, from rocks down the beach from the jumpers. I’ve cut a few dead bodies down in cells. I’m all too aware about the effects of mental health. I look for signs all over my social media. Constantly monitoring peoples status updates and signs that something isn’t right and I sometimes I look a fool for messaging them privately but the amount of people I’ve just sat and had a cuppa tea with. People should always talk and if you’re judged for it just fuck them they ain’t your people. I wouldn’t have been on this site for 11 years if it wasn’t for the forums. Every thought in my head goes on these forums and once I’ve talked about it it’s gone. that's deep! I've lost 4 mates in the last 10 years, so it really does hit deep I’ve lost loads as well. In 2008 I was going to one funeral a week for months. Friends I’d been in a funeral with a few weeks previous I was then attending their funerals. Wow, can’t imagine how hard that must be. Lost a few relatives and closest ever friend to suicide over the years. But weekly! Mind boggles. That's a lot of people. There was even a film made about it Can’t post links but I’ve copied the article about it. Like I’m not exaggerating when I say I’ve lost loads of people to suicide, loads. This is the article: Since 2007 ninety-nine young people have been found hanged in Bridgend, South Wales. Most of the victims knew each other, and with few exceptions, none of them left notes. Many in the town believed a serial killer was at large, others assumed it was a suicide cult. The deaths struck fear and unrest into the hearts of most. Headlines splashed across the UK have earned Bridgend the nickname: Death Town. Bridgend is the groundbreaking documentary that investigates the events that caused the sleepy little town to become the subject of gruesome speculation across the United Kingdom. Many of the victims were pretty young girls who typically do not commit suicide by violent methods. The film traces their final hours and shines a light on a shocking story that needs to be told. Did they ever get to bottom of what's been happening and why and has it stopped now?" It hasn’t stopped now. Just a ban on reporting it on the media. 2014 I did a year of crime and trauma scene cleaning and even when they hang themselves in public the area needs to be disinfected. They do it in parks. We have beautiful coast and this one area in southern down on the cliffs there’s sign posts everywhere for the Samaritans. There’s so many I was able to make up my own findings like the slashers, men will slash their wrists and walk all over the house getting blood everywhere, touching stuff where women slashers tended to stay in one place bath or just their bedroom. Jumpers seemed to be mainly male. Same as train trackers. Hangers were mixed male and female. Sea deaths were mainly women. Don’t think we ever heard of men doing it in the sea. We weren’t called to sea deaths obviously cos there was nothing to clean but hear about them. The saddest sea one was the two elderly twin sisters who tied themselves together and swam out as far as they could. One had terminal cancer. Fuck I’m depressing. Kittens. Xmas. Chocolate fudge cake. | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. " I kind of agree, I prefer to see some vulnerability in a guy and knowing I could help. Literally my weak spot . If they are broken, I’ll fucking have them x as my little projects … I need baby Jesus to take the wheel cos I’ve been probably doing it wrong and that’s why I was always the one hurt in the end AND MY NEW MANTRA I WANNA PUT ON A T-SHIRT SHOULD BE: I’m not your fucking therapist | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. I kind of agree, I prefer to see some vulnerability in a guy and knowing I could help. Literally my weak spot . If they are broken, I’ll fucking have them x as my little projects … I need baby Jesus to take the wheel cos I’ve been probably doing it wrong and that’s why I was always the one hurt in the end AND MY NEW MANTRA I WANNA PUT ON A T-SHIRT SHOULD BE: I’m not your fucking therapist " Little project? Fix them? ...most of the times all we want is someone can talk to, someone who listens, but part of the fear of opening up is exactly this, scared that afterwards they look at us differently like there is something wrong with us ...like we are broken ...like we need someone to fix us . And please don't think of my reply as animosity towards you...the fact that you are willing to help another human being means you are compassionate (and we need more people like that in the world). But don't look at us like there's something wrong with us and we need fixing...what most of us need is understanding and patience | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. I kind of agree, I prefer to see some vulnerability in a guy and knowing I could help. Literally my weak spot . If they are broken, I’ll fucking have them x as my little projects … I need baby Jesus to take the wheel cos I’ve been probably doing it wrong and that’s why I was always the one hurt in the end AND MY NEW MANTRA I WANNA PUT ON A T-SHIRT SHOULD BE: I’m not your fucking therapist Little project? Fix them? ...most of the times all we want is someone can talk to, someone who listens, but part of the fear of opening up is exactly this, scared that afterwards they look at us differently like there is something wrong with us ...like we are broken ...like we need someone to fix us . And please don't think of my reply as animosity towards you...the fact that you are willing to help another human being means you are compassionate (and we need more people like that in the world). But don't look at us like there's something wrong with us and we need fixing...what most of us need is understanding and patience " I’m only speaking about my experience and I’m sure there are plenty of guys who genuinely just need some help and to open up. I’m really not talking about you I’m talking about the really bad dark cases. Somehow I manage to pick them and feeling the need if I can change them for the “better” When in fact some people really have DEEP issues and traumas that go beyond me being compassionate and probably would need therapy to go dig up the crap that was left there from … I don’t know, childhood. But also I have to make peace with myself and say.. I’m sorry I’m not a therapist, I can be there for someone but I can’t do the job that a therapist would need to do to make that person a better person. I wanna mention again that im not talking about normal cases of someone who just needs to be vulnerable and help about things that get you down or depressed. This is coming from a girl who has major issues but also has been going and is still going to therapy btw! X | |||
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"No because women are chatty little things that will go and tell all there friends about it " Errr says who?? X yes we might chat shit but not every woman is an open air gob . Also, sometimes if there are things that involve us in some ways, or affect us. Then it’s valid for us to discuss to say our best friend to have an opinion. Doesn’t mean we tell every one for the sake of it!! | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. I kind of agree, I prefer to see some vulnerability in a guy and knowing I could help. Literally my weak spot . If they are broken, I’ll fucking have them x as my little projects … I need baby Jesus to take the wheel cos I’ve been probably doing it wrong and that’s why I was always the one hurt in the end AND MY NEW MANTRA I WANNA PUT ON A T-SHIRT SHOULD BE: I’m not your fucking therapist Little project? Fix them? ...most of the times all we want is someone can talk to, someone who listens, but part of the fear of opening up is exactly this, scared that afterwards they look at us differently like there is something wrong with us ...like we are broken ...like we need someone to fix us . And please don't think of my reply as animosity towards you...the fact that you are willing to help another human being means you are compassionate (and we need more people like that in the world). But don't look at us like there's something wrong with us and we need fixing...what most of us need is understanding and patience I’m only speaking about my experience and I’m sure there are plenty of guys who genuinely just need some help and to open up. I’m really not talking about you I’m talking about the really bad dark cases. Somehow I manage to pick them and feeling the need if I can change them for the “better” When in fact some people really have DEEP issues and traumas that go beyond me being compassionate and probably would need therapy to go dig up the crap that was left there from … I don’t know, childhood. But also I have to make peace with myself and say.. I’m sorry I’m not a therapist, I can be there for someone but I can’t do the job that a therapist would need to do to make that person a better person. I wanna mention again that im not talking about normal cases of someone who just needs to be vulnerable and help about things that get you down or depressed. This is coming from a girl who has major issues but also has been going and is still going to therapy btw! X " I think it was the " have them as my little projects" comment that surprised me a bit. I understand what you are trying to say | |||
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"To guys that feel they wouldn’t share something with a woman they were interested in, don’t you lot know they we’re natural fixers and even if we don’t have children our biological make up is that of the nurturer? Even if there was someone we despised I’m pretty confident that if they specifically needed and asked for help we still would help them. I kind of agree, I prefer to see some vulnerability in a guy and knowing I could help. Literally my weak spot . If they are broken, I’ll fucking have them x as my little projects … I need baby Jesus to take the wheel cos I’ve been probably doing it wrong and that’s why I was always the one hurt in the end AND MY NEW MANTRA I WANNA PUT ON A T-SHIRT SHOULD BE: I’m not your fucking therapist Little project? Fix them? ...most of the times all we want is someone can talk to, someone who listens, but part of the fear of opening up is exactly this, scared that afterwards they look at us differently like there is something wrong with us ...like we are broken ...like we need someone to fix us . And please don't think of my reply as animosity towards you...the fact that you are willing to help another human being means you are compassionate (and we need more people like that in the world). But don't look at us like there's something wrong with us and we need fixing...what most of us need is understanding and patience I’m only speaking about my experience and I’m sure there are plenty of guys who genuinely just need some help and to open up. I’m really not talking about you I’m talking about the really bad dark cases. Somehow I manage to pick them and feeling the need if I can change them for the “better” When in fact some people really have DEEP issues and traumas that go beyond me being compassionate and probably would need therapy to go dig up the crap that was left there from … I don’t know, childhood. But also I have to make peace with myself and say.. I’m sorry I’m not a therapist, I can be there for someone but I can’t do the job that a therapist would need to do to make that person a better person. I wanna mention again that im not talking about normal cases of someone who just needs to be vulnerable and help about things that get you down or depressed. This is coming from a girl who has major issues but also has been going and is still going to therapy btw! X I think it was the " have them as my little projects" comment that surprised me a bit. I understand what you are trying to say " I meant it in a way that the bad cases I had really were sort of projects. Like they had such deep issues I couldn’t help them to be better x | |||
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"No because women are chatty little things that will go and tell all there friends about it " I dumped a few women friends last year because of this. | |||
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"My therapist said I have broken bird syndrome too (think that’s a made up term) but she I do it because I’m treating someone how I wanted to be treated when I was a child, with extra compassion kindness and love. " Atleast you’re spreading love and positivity, it shows you’re good natured and caring and that’s a priceless trait to have | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. I had a feeling you would want to discuss this further To answer your question...I think it's easier for younger men in their early 20s as society has changed and is more acceptable to men showing emotions, but as a man in his 30s (and even more so in their 40s or 50s) we have spent our childhood and most of our adult life living in a society that was telling us that boys don't cry, that we need to man up and get shit done, that real men so this and don't do that, and we were exposed to this notion, at school, within our entourage, or the media ( I also come form a country where my generation was the last one that had to do mandatory military when you turned 18 - talk about a hyper masculine environment)....so it's not easy for me to change overnight. I am truly happy that young men nowadays grow up differently and society is more acceptable of men opening up, but sometimes I feel like it's turned 180 and now you're not a real man if you don't show emotions ...but it's so bloody difficult for me, I wish I could but I just can't...and it just makes me feel even worse when I hear women say "real men show their feelings " ...guess I'm not a real man, because I literally can't ( and I feel many other men feels this way)...and even writing this took a lot out of me, maybe it's the fact I am writing it, or the fact that there is anonymity, because I could never admit this face to face in front of someone " There is definitely a generational element to it. My younger team members always looked to the older ones in times of distress, to talk through their troubles. Funnily enough, the older ones don't generally mind, but can't or won't reciprocate, or even share among their older peers. In 'our day' it was seen as weakness but in truth we know the value of it. It's too late for many of us and we deal with our demons in whatever way we see fit. If you are a rock for others, you can't be seen to crumble and you do your crying alone. | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. I had a feeling you would want to discuss this further To answer your question...I think it's easier for younger men in their early 20s as society has changed and is more acceptable to men showing emotions, but as a man in his 30s (and even more so in their 40s or 50s) we have spent our childhood and most of our adult life living in a society that was telling us that boys don't cry, that we need to man up and get shit done, that real men so this and don't do that, and we were exposed to this notion, at school, within our entourage, or the media ( I also come form a country where my generation was the last one that had to do mandatory military when you turned 18 - talk about a hyper masculine environment)....so it's not easy for me to change overnight. I am truly happy that young men nowadays grow up differently and society is more acceptable of men opening up, but sometimes I feel like it's turned 180 and now you're not a real man if you don't show emotions ...but it's so bloody difficult for me, I wish I could but I just can't...and it just makes me feel even worse when I hear women say "real men show their feelings " ...guess I'm not a real man, because I literally can't ( and I feel many other men feels this way)...and even writing this took a lot out of me, maybe it's the fact I am writing it, or the fact that there is anonymity, because I could never admit this face to face in front of someone There is definitely a generational element to it. My younger team members always looked to the older ones in times of distress, to talk through their troubles. Funnily enough, the older ones don't generally mind, but can't or won't reciprocate, or even share among their older peers. In 'our day' it was seen as weakness but in truth we know the value of it. It's too late for many of us and we deal with our demons in whatever way we see fit. If you are a rock for others, you can't be seen to crumble and you do your crying alone." | |||
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"I lost my father two weeks ago. I've found myself trying to avoid emotions and tears as I fear where ill end up if I start down that path." Sorry to hear this dude. Dont avoid it though, it will cause problems. Talk to someone, doesn't have to be everyone. | |||
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" If you are a rock for others, you can't be seen to crumble and you do your crying alone." This applies to how I feel and how I'm treated by family and friends alike. I'm female though and wouldn't say I was part of the older generation! This sort of thing isn't gender or age specific. | |||
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" If you are a rock for others, you can't be seen to crumble and you do your crying alone. This applies to how I feel and how I'm treated by family and friends alike. I'm female though and wouldn't say I was part of the older generation! This sort of thing isn't gender or age specific. " Indeed. Some people just find themselves in that situation, and when it's most aspects of your life, ie family, work and social, it's a burden. | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. " Extremely emotional guy... passionate beyond belief for anyone or anything l truly love. | |||
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"Or do they have to appear that everything is okay on the surface? I guys that can display their emotions I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. Guys would you feel comfortable telling a woman you were interested in all about your worries or things that are on your mind? I encourage it massively because women are good listeners and I bet my hat no woman would think you were weak or less macho. Tears are natures lube. " I think circumstances and situation matters, if girl in middle of BJ wants to attends her call, i will not cry | |||
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