FabSwingers.com forum: When you sell things how do you work out your costs v profit?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I made hot chocolate bombs last year just for family and friends but they were so good (humble brag) that people were saying you should sell these on Facebook for Xmas eve boxes or just to have running up to Xmas.

Looking online for packaging and I’ll work on the basis of doing 10 so for 10 boxes it’s £13. I’ve already got the moulds to make the bombs. Would need a big tub of aero hot chocolate which is normally £3. Loads of galaxy chocolate and mini marshmallows. White chocolate and Xmas colour sprinkles for decoration.

How do I work out what I should be selling them for? I’m gonna sell them as two bombs (cos the boxes fit 2)

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Add coat if all ingredients then see how many that makes - divide cosy by number made for cost price per unit - add on your profit and then multiply by 2 to get retail price for box - remember to include packaging cost and postsge etc.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Add up EVERYTHING you need :

Boxes

Chocolate

Marshmallows

Sprinkles

Heat for melting

Petrol (if)

Time (if)

Postage

Packaging

Labels

Wrapping

Advertising

Possible returns (causing a loss)

Possible thefts (twats that lie)

Add them all up.

Divide by 10 ( cos you said 10 boxes )

That's your COST

To make a profit ( here's the amazing tip ) sell them for more than it cost to make.

Now then ...... for me to bother my ARSE my profits have to be pretty high.

It's my belief that home made products are FAR more expensive than mass manufactured so consider whether it's worth your time.

Look out for FOOD laws/requirments etc.....

Take out liability so that if you are accused of selling products that make people ill you have enough money to pay them .......

While we are on it..... ADD that to your costs

Good luck

Don't forget food manufacture laws..... are your premises passed for food manufacture and retail ?

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

- Material cost

- Labour cost

- Postage/ delivery costs

Add it together, and add whatever feels right for your profits on top.

I think that's pretty much it

LvM

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Add coat if all ingredients then see how many that makes - divide cosy by number made for cost price per unit - add on your profit and then multiply by 2 to get retail price for box - remember to include packaging cost and postsge etc. "

No postage. I’ll only be selling on my Facebook to people I know who I can deliver to or they can pick up. They won’t survive being posted. They’re chocolate shells.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

Out of your ingredients, how many bombs can you make, so how much do they cost per bomb? How much is the packaging for each bomb? How long will it take you to make them and what do you want to be paid on a per hour basis? Have you factored in energy costs, transport/parking/petrol for buying ingredients, packaging etc?

Once you have all that add it up (all numbers completely made up):

Chocolate: £0.87

Marshmallow: £0.08

Sprinkles: £0.16

Wrapping/boxes/packaging: £1.50

Time: 3 minutes @ £10/hour: £0.50

Energy, petrol, parking, whatever other costs: £0.25

Total cost per bomb: £3.36.

Then have a look what else is out there. If others are selling them for £2.50 you have a problem. If others are selling for £5 charge £5 and make a good profit.

It's very basic but it'll give you a good idea whether you'll be out of pocket or in profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you work out the cost of your book so that you'd make money from that?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"How did you work out the cost of your book so that you'd make money from that?"

Was it a cookery book ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scalp them jack to price up 10 fold msi I am looking at you

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Out of your ingredients, how many bombs can you make, so how much do they cost per bomb? How much is the packaging for each bomb? How long will it take you to make them and what do you want to be paid on a per hour basis? Have you factored in energy costs, transport/parking/petrol for buying ingredients, packaging etc?

Once you have all that add it up (all numbers completely made up):

Chocolate: £0.87

Marshmallow: £0.08

Sprinkles: £0.16

Wrapping/boxes/packaging: £1.50

Time: 3 minutes @ £10/hour: £0.50

Energy, petrol, parking, whatever other costs: £0.25

Total cost per bomb: £3.36.

Then have a look what else is out there. If others are selling them for £2.50 you have a problem. If others are selling for £5 charge £5 and make a good profit.

It's very basic but it'll give you a good idea whether you'll be out of pocket or in profit."

Taking the above as correct.....

Bomb cost £ 3.36

Sale = £5.00 that's profit of £1.64 per bomb.

Seriously I wouldn't put in the hours to make £1.64 especially as there is always a loss of some kind.

How long does it take you to make and pack and advertise each bomb ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How did you work out the cost of your book so that you'd make money from that?"

It’s not even off the laptop yet. No where near being published and completely irrelevant to the thread unless you’re just wanting to take the piss.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I've just priced on Amazon ....... a choc bomb is not cheap ....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Do you do the spoons ones ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Once you have all that add it up (all numbers completely made up):

Chocolate: £0.87

Marshmallow: £0.08

Sprinkles: £0.16

Wrapping/boxes/packaging: £1.50

Time: 3 minutes @ £10/hour: £0.50

Energy, petrol, parking, whatever other costs: £0.25

Total cost per bomb: £3.36.

Then have a look what else is out there. If others are selling them for £2.50 you have a problem. If others are selling for £5 charge £5 and make a good profit.

It's very basic but it'll give you a good idea whether you'll be out of pocket or in profit.

Taking the above as correct.....

Bomb cost £ 3.36

Sale = £5.00 that's profit of £1.64 per bomb.

Seriously I wouldn't put in the hours to make £1.64 especially as there is always a loss of some kind.

How long does it take you to make and pack and advertise each bomb ?"

I can’t really remember the cost last year cos I already had hot chocolate and I was making them in 12’s cos I got two moulds (12 bombs) was knocking them out pretty much all through December but didn’t have tidy packaging cos I was giving them away to friends and family. Was putting them in sweet bags with a tie they cost like less than a fiver for 50. For me to sell them the packaging has gotta look nice and be quite sturdy if they’re gonna go in Xmas eve boxes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you do the spoons ones ?"

No. I tried but they don’t melt as good and are r as good to watch them melting.

I do the bombs the hollow spheres with hot chocolate powder inside and mini marshmallows (or extra chocolate shavings cos I don’t like marshmallows).

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

Once you have all that add it up (all numbers completely made up):

Chocolate: £0.87

Marshmallow: £0.08

Sprinkles: £0.16

Wrapping/boxes/packaging: £1.50

Time: 3 minutes @ £10/hour: £0.50

Energy, petrol, parking, whatever other costs: £0.25

Total cost per bomb: £3.36.

Then have a look what else is out there. If others are selling them for £2.50 you have a problem. If others are selling for £5 charge £5 and make a good profit.

It's very basic but it'll give you a good idea whether you'll be out of pocket or in profit.

Taking the above as correct.....

Bomb cost £ 3.36

Sale = £5.00 that's profit of £1.64 per bomb.

Seriously I wouldn't put in the hours to make £1.64 especially as there is always a loss of some kind.

How long does it take you to make and pack and advertise each bomb ?"

I used to make semi-precious jewellery in silver and the profit never was worth the time and effort. I did it because I loved doing it and I sold it because I ran out of storage space for it!

I couldn't ever compete with machine made stuff on eBay and Amazon though.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Charge vat and evade paying that along with no tax to the man.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Once you have all that add it up (all numbers completely made up):

Chocolate: £0.87

Marshmallow: £0.08

Sprinkles: £0.16

Wrapping/boxes/packaging: £1.50

Time: 3 minutes @ £10/hour: £0.50

Energy, petrol, parking, whatever other costs: £0.25

Total cost per bomb: £3.36.

Then have a look what else is out there. If others are selling them for £2.50 you have a problem. If others are selling for £5 charge £5 and make a good profit.

It's very basic but it'll give you a good idea whether you'll be out of pocket or in profit.

Taking the above as correct.....

Bomb cost £ 3.36

Sale = £5.00 that's profit of £1.64 per bomb.

Seriously I wouldn't put in the hours to make £1.64 especially as there is always a loss of some kind.

How long does it take you to make and pack and advertise each bomb ?

I used to make semi-precious jewellery in silver and the profit never was worth the time and effort. I did it because I loved doing it and I sold it because I ran out of storage space for it!

I couldn't ever compete with machine made stuff on eBay and Amazon though."

I had a minor panic then ..... but it's okay cos you are not my daughter.....

She sold masses of fimo novelties and never made a penny but wouldn't stop until e-bay raised their cut ....

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

If you're selling any kind of food products you need to have food safety and hygiene certificates and you'll need your workspace (guessing kitchen) to have a hygiene rating as well.

Also liability insurance.

Posh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How did you work out the cost of your book so that you'd make money from that?

It’s not even off the laptop yet. No where near being published and completely irrelevant to the thread unless you’re just wanting to take the piss. "

You could have fallen back on the same strategy

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If you're selling any kind of food products you need to have food safety and hygiene certificates and you'll need your workspace (guessing kitchen) to have a hygiene rating as well.

Also liability insurance.

Posh"

Correct.

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"If you're selling any kind of food products you need to have food safety and hygiene certificates and you'll need your workspace (guessing kitchen) to have a hygiene rating as well.

Also liability insurance.

Posh

Correct. "

And annoyingly, even for pre packaged foodstuff like packets of sweets or chocolate these days!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know if it's been said. Do some research. Sounds like you have a customer base via FB. Ask how much they would pay. Send an online q and a. Most people like to help a business succeed. Listen to those who give constructive criticism as they are generally the most honest and helpful.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Charge vat and evade paying that along with no tax to the man."

That's a little bit illegal. You can't charge vat if you're not vat reg anyway. All you'd be doing is upping the price.

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds

Don't forget to tell the tax man of any profit you make (its taxable) if you're doing it through site they might see or be informed you don't want him on your tail.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15 "

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15 "

This is a wonderful theory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your selling anything to do with food you need to be food hygiene registered. Which is free to do but you need all your paper work to be shit hot explaining all your cleaning schedules etc

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15

This is a wonderful theory

We all pay way more than what things cost, that's why big companies make so much profit

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15

This is a wonderful theory

We all pay way more than what things cost, that's why big companies make so much profit "

But yet little companies don't, because far too often people don't want to actually pay enough for handmade stuff to actually make it worth it

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15 "

£12.50**

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15

This is a wonderful theory

We all pay way more than what things cost, that's why big companies make so much profit

But yet little companies don't, because far too often people don't want to actually pay enough for handmade stuff to actually make it worth it

Yes this is true, unless they're your friends and want to help

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15

£12.50**"

Yeah my bad

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I’m not looking to start a business. Not looking to charge through the arse for something that’s essentially gonna be for children.

Only using branded ingredients so people know if they eat galaxy or drink aero hot chocolate they’ll be ok with the bombs.

I sold cooked dinners £10 each through look down last year with no issues just on Facebook.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"I’m not looking to start a business. Not looking to charge through the arse for something that’s essentially gonna be for children.

Only using branded ingredients so people know if they eat galaxy or drink aero hot chocolate they’ll be ok with the bombs.

I sold cooked dinners £10 each through look down last year with no issues just on Facebook. "

You had no issues because you luckily had no issues

If someone had proof you sold them the meal and they said they got food poisoning, without the proper food hygiene paper work and all that shit, your potentially in a lot of trouble.

Not saying it will happen, it’s just a very real possibility in these days that you need to be aware of when selling anything for human consumption

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge "

It 'literally' isn't.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't. "

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't.

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny "

I can only repeat that the complexity of multi step problem involving costings and profits is not 'literally' year 5 mathematics in the U.K.

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By *ersey GirlCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I’m not looking to start a business. Not looking to charge through the arse for something that’s essentially gonna be for children.

Only using branded ingredients so people know if they eat galaxy or drink aero hot chocolate they’ll be ok with the bombs.

I sold cooked dinners £10 each through look down last year with no issues just on Facebook. "

Would you not just use the same strategy as the dinners then

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't.

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny

I can only repeat that the complexity of multi step problem involving costings and profits is not 'literally' year 5 mathematics in the U.K.

I guess I’m just gifted then, because I was doing that in year 4/5

Suzy makes cakes. It costs her £5 to make. She wants to make £5 profit. How much does Suzy need to sell the cakes for to make £5 profit

Can you abacus handle that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m not looking to start a business. Not looking to charge through the arse for something that’s essentially gonna be for children.

Only using branded ingredients so people know if they eat galaxy or drink aero hot chocolate they’ll be ok with the bombs.

I sold cooked dinners £10 each through look down last year with no issues just on Facebook. "

Whether you call it a business or not if you are selling food items you need to be food hygiene registered. It’s a legal requirement and you can be fined a hell of a lot of money as well as sued or even imprisoned if someone was to become poorly from one of your sales, especially with the risk of allergy’s etc, food businesses have to jump through hoops- I used to run a fully registered cake business and the red tape is there to protect both you and the person purchasing the product

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't.

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny

I can only repeat that the complexity of multi step problem involving costings and profits is not 'literally' year 5 mathematics in the U.K.

I guess I’m just gifted then, because I was doing that in year 4/5

Suzy makes cakes. It costs her £5 to make. She wants to make £5 profit. How much does Suzy need to sell the cakes for to make £5 profit

Can you abacus handle that?"

I'll try again.. it is quite simple really.

Costs and profits involving multiplication and other complexities above are not 'literally' part of the Year 5 maths syllabus in the U.K.

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over a year ago

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

I do not sell any of my cakes, jams or marmalades, 50% go to family or friends for no charge, the remaining 50% go to friends of friends in exchange for the odd bottle of wine, tin of chocolates or quantities of fruit and vegetables. The system works well but usually leaves me out of pocket at the end of each month.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't.

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny

I can only repeat that the complexity of multi step problem involving costings and profits is not 'literally' year 5 mathematics in the U.K.

I guess I’m just gifted then, because I was doing that in year 4/5

Suzy makes cakes. It costs her £5 to make. She wants to make £5 profit. How much does Suzy need to sell the cakes for to make £5 profit

Can you abacus handle that?

I'll try again.. it is quite simple really.

Costs and profits involving multiplication and other complexities above are not 'literally' part of the Year 5 maths syllabus in the U.K. "

As someone who deals with calculating net profit daily I can agree that it isn't year 5 maths (but I understand where the op of the comment is coming from). It's clear if information is provided in simple terms but a child in year 5 definitely couldn't do it (if they can then surely I should be getting paid more?!)

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"I’m not looking to start a business. Not looking to charge through the arse for something that’s essentially gonna be for children.

Only using branded ingredients so people know if they eat galaxy or drink aero hot chocolate they’ll be ok with the bombs.

I sold cooked dinners £10 each through look down last year with no issues just on Facebook.

I think this is why a lot of people don’t do it. It seems lucrative to sell a few baked goods or sweet packs on the side for some weekend money or whatever. Then you read about the amount of certification you need to do it legally and stay safe. It’s just too much to justify unless you plan on really going for it and making it some kinda small business

It’s the same in construction. Everyone thinks they can add a light or a socket for a quick bit of cash until they find out all the things that come with it. Is it worth the risk doing it without? Is it worth the effort to get what’s required for a few cash jobs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't.

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny

I can only repeat that the complexity of multi step problem involving costings and profits is not 'literally' year 5 mathematics in the U.K.

Granny is correct. Pricing is complicated. It is not taught in primary school in the UK. I've seen four kids through primary school fairly recently.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"This is literally year 5 maths

Add up the cost of production

Time how long it takes you to make one

Add some time for listing the item, packaging/delivery etc

Decide how much your time is worth and add that on top of your costs.

You could then choose to add an extra markup for profit on materials if you think it’s cheap.

For example, in construction I do materials + 15% mark up then add on a £250 a day charge

It 'literally' isn't.

Adding, multiplying and percentages maybe wasn’t when you was in school granny

I can only repeat that the complexity of multi step problem involving costings and profits is not 'literally' year 5 mathematics in the U.K.

I guess I’m just gifted then, because I was doing that in year 4/5

Suzy makes cakes. It costs her £5 to make. She wants to make £5 profit. How much does Suzy need to sell the cakes for to make £5 profit

Can you abacus handle that?

I'll try again.. it is quite simple really.

Costs and profits involving multiplication and other complexities above are not 'literally' part of the Year 5 maths syllabus in the U.K.

You mean getting paid less? If a year 5 kid could do your job? I’m sure yours involves so much more than 1 person making a product at home and wanting to make a profit with no big variables like taxes, company benefits, cost for premises etc. It’s literally add together the materials and add on the profit you want to make

But I absolutely did stuff like this in year 5, maybe I was just gifted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Add up EVERYTHING you need :

Boxes

Chocolate

Marshmallows

Sprinkles

Heat for melting

Petrol (if)

Time (if)

Postage

Packaging

Labels

Wrapping

Advertising

Possible returns (causing a loss)

Possible thefts (twats that lie)

Add them all up.

Divide by 10 ( cos you said 10 boxes )

That's your COST

To make a profit ( here's the amazing tip ) sell them for more than it cost to make.

Now then ...... for me to bother my ARSE my profits have to be pretty high.

It's my belief that home made products are FAR more expensive than mass manufactured so consider whether it's worth your time.

Look out for FOOD laws/requirments etc.....

Take out liability so that if you are accused of selling products that make people ill you have enough money to pay them .......

While we are on it..... ADD that to your costs

Good luck

Don't forget food manufacture laws..... are your premises passed for food manufacture and retail ? "

This. Then when you've come up with a price, ask yourself if its reasonable for the product. If its very cheap you have the chance to make more profit or increase your sales. If its very expensive you probably won't sell enough to cover your costs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry but fitting a light socket and selling someone some melted galaxy chocolate are not the same things. People know if they van eat galaxy chocolate or not and they’ll also know if they can drink aero hot chocolate. I’m not using raw materials.

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Where did u get your bomb mould from? Have seen these made on tic tok I could do them for family x

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Sorry but fitting a light socket and selling someone some melted galaxy chocolate are not the same things. People know if they van eat galaxy chocolate or not and they’ll also know if they can drink aero hot chocolate. I’m not using raw materials.

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019. "

Well in date then they last 3 years x

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019. "

Not the same, but as others have says, you need paper work, certificates etc

If your willing to risk it over a few extra quid then it’s your legal funeral if it goes tits up

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019. "

Legislation has changed over packaging and ingredient listings since then, and food hygiene training has additional sections.

It is advisable to make sure you're up to date with all of that if you are selling foodstuffs, and be aware that if you actually sell anything you are liable under the laws regardless of whether you consider it a business or not.

People are attempting to give advice and help, not have a pop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It only takes one person on here you've pissed off to contact HMRC and as has been said before you really don't need that hassle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019. "

Is it just a food hygiene certificate or has your kitchen been visited by someone from the FSA?

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Check the law on selling food products made in a domestic kitchen too. They may be people you know and it's unlikely that anyone will suffer ill health from hot chocolate but trading standards and your local environmental health team may get involved.

The tax man will also want to know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019.

Is it just a food hygiene certificate or has your kitchen been visited by someone from the FSA? "

No just a visit from FC.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Annie,

Change your name.

Market them as toilet ducks for free with a high delivery charge.

Then move

Actually ....... not a bad idea market them as 'bath bombs' ......

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends"

Sadly it’s the world we live in today. People are always looking to make a quick buck and someone selling food out of their kitchen without all the appropriate paper work is easy meat for those types of people. You literally wouldn’t have a leg to stand on in court.

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019.

Is it just a food hygiene certificate or has your kitchen been visited by someone from the FSA?

No just a visit from FC. "

When I was considering setting up a cake & desserts business I found a checklist online of everything you'll be evaluated on when someone from the FSA comes round. It included things like having enough space to keep certain allergy-prone ingredients away from each other. Logistically it wasn't really viable so I'm waiting until I have my own place where I can organise the kitchen in the way I want.

There's a girl on YT that runs her own cake business and did some videos on her kitchen plus all the things that you get evaluated on. If you want I can DM you her channel?

Also - do you own or rent your house? If it's the latter you'd need permission from your landlord to operate a business from your home. You also need public liability insurance etc (not sure if these things have been mentioned, cba to read through)

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends"

Agreed but it's best to know so the lies are ready and the amdram shock face in the very low probability of any trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days. "

Yep and i’m sure she is gonna be HMRC’s number 1 target this Winter. That’s the covid deficit taken care of, thanks Annie.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I actually have a food hygiene certificate from doing the McMillan cake days. It’s dated July 2019.

Is it just a food hygiene certificate or has your kitchen been visited by someone from the FSA?

No just a visit from FC. "

U wont need to register for an occasional thing like this so wouldnt worry x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m not looking to start a business. Not looking to charge through the arse for something that’s essentially gonna be for children.

Only using branded ingredients so people know if they eat galaxy or drink aero hot chocolate they’ll be ok with the bombs.

I sold cooked dinners £10 each through look down last year with no issues just on Facebook. "

It might not be a business to you but it is in the eyes of the law...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How come from 2015 to 2019 in my old job, every year I made multiple cakes and biscuits and was able to sell them for McMillan coffee morning? That’s selling things for human consumption yet they didn’t require you to have any of the legal things being mentioned?

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days.

Yep and i’m sure she is gonna be HMRC’s number 1 target this Winter. That’s the covid deficit taken care of, thanks Annie. "

You know that people are done for this kind of thing all the time, right?

It really isn't unusual.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"How come from 2015 to 2019 in my old job, every year I made multiple cakes and biscuits and was able to sell them for McMillan coffee morning? That’s selling things for human consumption yet they didn’t require you to have any of the legal things being mentioned?"

Dead easy if you don't read the advice they put up on their website.

Many people don't know they are legally liable for what goes on at 'their' coffee mornings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a charity capacity, as long as it's occasional you don't need to register:

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I don't follow the advice either or i'd never do anything.....

I am careful who I invite tho ..... just be careful who you sell to.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Label everything ....... 'Crammed with nuts'

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days.

Yep and i’m sure she is gonna be HMRC’s number 1 target this Winter. That’s the covid deficit taken care of, thanks Annie.

You know that people are done for this kind of thing all the time, right?

It really isn't unusual."

Not to mention that the HMRC has an anonymous reporting thing now. I know countless people that have been reported for things they thought “wouldn’t matter”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days.

Yep and i’m sure she is gonna be HMRC’s number 1 target this Winter. That’s the covid deficit taken care of, thanks Annie.

You know that people are done for this kind of thing all the time, right?

It really isn't unusual.

Not to mention that the HMRC has an anonymous reporting thing now. I know countless people that have been reported for things they thought “wouldn’t matter” "

Trust me, HMRC has far more important cases to work on than a single Mum selling a few chocolates at Xmas to her friends on FB. Everyone is so negative on here. Someone posts something and all people wanna do is crush them down. Everyone is a bleedin expert in everything ain’t they ?! I would be prepared to stake everything I own on her having no issue whatsoever. If I worried about everything tiny little thing that COULD happen then I’d never get anything done. Nanny state nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't follow the advice either or i'd never do anything.....

I am careful who I invite tho ..... just be careful who you sell to.

That’s the thing it’s a one off. I’m only going to be selling them to my friends and people I know. Not expecting to shift more than 30. It’s just that thing where people say oh these are lovely let me give you something for them and not knowing what I should sell them for. They’ve posted videos of them making the chocolate bombs and people were like asking my family and friends if I would make some to sell. That’s what happened last year.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

Make up a advent calender box and put the chocolate in there.

It will also allow you to try out different molds and different flavours.

But watch out for allergies give warnings of there contents.

Giving them is one thing selling them is another.

advert wise there homemade chocolate use the reference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

Mr"

From this government advice

If you handle, prepare, store and serve food occasionally and on a small scale, you do not need to register

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days.

Yep and i’m sure she is gonna be HMRC’s number 1 target this Winter. That’s the covid deficit taken care of, thanks Annie.

You know that people are done for this kind of thing all the time, right?

It really isn't unusual.

Not to mention that the HMRC has an anonymous reporting thing now. I know countless people that have been reported for things they thought “wouldn’t matter”

Probably nothing will happen. But I, and I'm assuming the others on this thread, are just trying to be helpful because we actually have knowledge that can be helpful.

Don't assume that people are just being negative, and don't assume we don't know what we are talking about, because you might be surprised.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

Mr"

This seems to refer to providing food for charity and community events, not selling for profit, which is a totally different cup of char.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

From this government advice

If you handle, prepare, store and serve food occasionally and on a small scale, you do not need to register"

Exactly! X

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

From this government advice

If you handle, prepare, store and serve food occasionally and on a small scale, you do not need to register

Exactly! X"

The title of the Govt advice is "Providing food at community and charity events:

Guidance on providing food in a village hall or other community setting for volunteers and charity groups. It includes advice on registration, certificates and allergen information."

Not selling for profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

This seems to refer to providing food for charity and community events, not selling for profit, which is a totally different cup of char. "

What constitutes a community event?

If you handle, prepare, store and serve food occasionally and on a small scale, you do not need to register

Occasionally and on a small scale assists to be their definition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

This seems to refer to providing food for charity and community events, not selling for profit, which is a totally different cup of char.

What constitutes a community event?

If you handle, prepare, store and serve food occasionally and on a small scale, you do not need to register

Occasionally and on a small scale assists to be their definition.

Mr"

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I think people are overthinking and being over dramatic in a lot of these replies. Worries about legal action & investigations from the tax man ???!!

Just make your bombs (I don’t even know what they are) stick a few quid on and punt them to your FB friends

You’ve gotta me ultra careful these days.

Yep and i’m sure she is gonna be HMRC’s number 1 target this Winter. That’s the covid deficit taken care of, thanks Annie.

You know that people are done for this kind of thing all the time, right?

It really isn't unusual.

Not to mention that the HMRC has an anonymous reporting thing now. I know countless people that have been reported for things they thought “wouldn’t matter”

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

This seems to refer to providing food for charity and community events, not selling for profit, which is a totally different cup of char.

What constitutes a community event?

If you handle, prepare, store and serve food occasionally and on a small scale, you do not need to register

Occasionally and on a small scale assists to be their definition.

Mr"

A community event might be a school Christmas fair or a coffee morning for the WI. Not sales for personal profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're better off googling the answer than asking a bunch of randoms.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/providing-food-at-community-and-charity-events

Looks like you're fine.

This seems to refer to providing food for charity and community events, not selling for profit, which is a totally different cup of char. "

The OP is proposing making 30 chocolate items using melted down shop bought chocolate bars. 30. And selling them casually to her family & friends. Even at a tenner each (I’ve no idea what these things go for) it’s £300 total turnover. HMRC won’t care, someone could ring and grass her up and they still wouldn’t care. Jeez, what next ? People on here saying their kids need to register for food safety and submit tax returns for selling home made lemonade once a year ?!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

I suppose it depends on the definition of "occasional" vs "regular and organised". Supplying a cake or three to the school fair twice a year is occasional. Selling multiple units of something, even if for a fixed period of time, would seem to me to be "organised". It is requiring planning of packaging etc.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I would just go ahead with it as u say they fam and friends sure u will b fine! I've found a mould on amazon for under a £5 shall b making some for xmas pressies! Good luck x

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Think your better off selling feet picture on OF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ?

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ? "

You realise no one is saying that the OP has to take any of the advice given, right? Just that this is advice, it is useful information to be given and *could* save a lot of potential hassle, personal and legal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would just go ahead with it as u say they fam and friends sure u will b fine! I've found a mould on amazon for under a £5 shall b making some for xmas pressies! Good luck x"

Yeah sorry Amazon is where I got mine. The gutsy one is like a browny red colour but the second one I bought is blue cos it easier to see when you’re coating it with the chocolate.

Also when you press the chocolate out of the mould and when you want to attach them together heat a plate in the microwave and just rub the edges over it to make them smooth and easy to stick together. If you’re gonna decorate with piped chocolate (I do it with white chocolate) make sure it’s cool otherwise it will remelt your bomb and cause it to collapse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ? "

Exactly how does a gov agency know it is only 30 that have been sold?

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

Regarding pricing, what Piscean Dream said is about right, 150% of the cost price is what is usually added to make it worthwhile.

Good luck OP, hope it works out for you.

Posh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ?

Why would anyone think the OP “has” to take note of advice ? Its just my opinion, and that’s all it is, that the advice about making sure she has this that and the other in place first, is poppycock

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I would just go ahead with it as u say they fam and friends sure u will b fine! I've found a mould on amazon for under a £5 shall b making some for xmas pressies! Good luck x

Yeah sorry Amazon is where I got mine. The gutsy one is like a browny red colour but the second one I bought is blue cos it easier to see when you’re coating it with the chocolate.

Cool ty will do that good luck with yours!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ? "

The OP said she'd done something similar for family and friends before, but it had been suggested she could "sell on Facebook". That sounds like more than just family and friends. I agree if just family and friends she doesn't need any registration, but who advertises on Facebook with the intention of only family/friends buying??

The minute you start selling on Facebook, you open yourself up to all manner of problems. A family member briefly ran a (registered) cake business, selling via FB and she gave up due to the appalling behaviour of people who made spurious complains and demanded refunds for no reason. Now she only makes cakes for family and friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ?

But she did state she was only going to sell to family & friends. That’s what I based my comment on when I referred she was only going to sell to family & friends. At least I think I read that

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ?

But she did state she was only going to sell to family & friends. That’s what I based my comment on when I referred she was only going to sell to family & friends. At least I think I read that

Re-read the opening paragraph of the OP, which states it had been suggested she might sell on Facebook and then sought advice about packaging and costing that up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But a cake is seriously more complicated than a hot chocolate bomb with many more things to complain about if a cake isn’t exactly how that person wants it to look. My hot chocolate bombs look exactly how they will look in the pictures and videos I have of me putting them in the cup and pouring the hot milk on them. It’s 3 ingredients, galaxy chocolate, aero hot chocolate mix and marshmallows. If people know they have allergies to those things they’re not gonna consume the bombs.

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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Back of Nowhere and Beyond

"This is the guidance for running a food business from home: https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-home

Would you class 30 inexpensive homemade chocolates sold solely to people you personally know regular & organized business activity ?

That was my point. No one is saying anyone must take advice.

Legal requirements may be poppycock in your opinion, but unfortunately they are legal requirements. And I'm not sure that "someone on fab said it was poppycock" is likely to stand up if something goes wrong.

Last year I sold advent calendars with Ferrero Rocher, Lindor balls and Chocolate Oranges (all still in their packaging) and didn't need any food hygiene qualifications. This year, things have changed and I've had to do the qualification to cover me in case someone decides to cause me trouble. That's just how it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nuru has already staked everything they own on nothing going wrong Annie so don't worry you're covered.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"But a cake is seriously more complicated than a hot chocolate bomb with many more things to complain about if a cake isn’t exactly how that person wants it to look. My hot chocolate bombs look exactly how they will look in the pictures and videos I have of me putting them in the cup and pouring the hot milk on them. It’s 3 ingredients, galaxy chocolate, aero hot chocolate mix and marshmallows. If people know they have allergies to those things they’re not gonna consume the bombs. "

Milk powder (which hot chocolate powder is made from) can carry a wide variety of pathogens. There is, unfortunately, scope for people to become unwell if the samples became contaminated, which outside of a regulated food production facility, is common. I used to manage a food standards testing lab and we used to send "spiked" samples of cocoa and milk powder out to major food manufacturers, for their labs to use as standard tests.

Hot chocolate powder might seem a very benign foodstuff but the minute you start handling and manipulating it from the packaging it comes in, you can start to cause issues. You should also be very careful as to what you choose to package milk/cocoa based powders in. Cardboard is horrific for carrying pathogens, for example. The "cardboard" cartons from the supermarket are lined with plastic and are treated to be clean before the powder is put in.

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By *imnher17Couple
over a year ago

Mirfield

Cost x 2.2 + p&p is usually the formula retail work to.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I only have friends, family and acquaintances on my Facebook. My close friends and family would be ballsy enough to flat out ask me to make the bombs for them for nothing. But for an example, a parent of a child that’s friends with my daughter or people that I work with, or people from the gym or anybody that I ‘know’ but not know enough that they would feel comfortable asking me to do something for nothing, but would like the things that I’m making. Therefore the option to BUY them means they can straight up just purchase them.

What they gonna complain about, that they didn’t melt?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

With regards to food laws. You need to register your kitchen with environmental health. In case you poison anyone, also you need to look at allergens. Sadly that is my food knowledge side of things.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though"

I don’t think I’d get much for my feet. I do around 36 thousand steps per shift in work. My feet are fucked.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though

I don’t think I’d get much for my feet. I do around 36 thousand steps per shift in work. My feet are fucked. "

I’m almost certain there’s a market for that. My friend sells hers and she has goats hooves for feet

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Do you know how to handle milk/cocoa powders so that they don't acquire microbial contamination? Do you know what type of packaging is safest for such foodstuffs? Are you able to stop the powders getting damp (which will increase any microbial presence)?

Salmonella outbreaks have been linked to chocolate products made in professional, regulated environments. No home kitchen can possibly be as clean as such a facility. Aspergillus (a type of mould) is very fond of chocolate powders/milk powder and is found on cardboard and suchlike.

You don't want to be accused of causing illness, is the baseline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I only have friends, family and acquaintances on my Facebook. My close friends and family would be ballsy enough to flat out ask me to make the bombs for them for nothing. But for an example, a parent of a child that’s friends with my daughter or people that I work with, or people from the gym or anybody that I ‘know’ but not know enough that they would feel comfortable asking me to do something for nothing, but would like the things that I’m making. Therefore the option to BUY them means they can straight up just purchase them.

What they gonna complain about, that they didn’t melt?"

No one's telling you not to do it - I think it's a great idea!

We're just encouraging you to take a more pragmatic approach in order to potentially save yourself a lot of headache and/or money in future. At the end of the day though it's up to you.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"Do you know how to handle milk/cocoa powders so that they don't acquire microbial contamination? Do you know what type of packaging is safest for such foodstuffs? Are you able to stop the powders getting damp (which will increase any microbial presence)?

You don't want to be accused of causing illness, is the baseline."

Alternatively can you pick a good toe nail polish colour? Can you use that cheese grater food thing and capture the gratings for the seriously kinky? Can you post your socks after a hard day at work in them ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You don't want to be accused of causing illness, is the baseline."

I’d stick my neck out here and assume that the packaging that’s safest for foodstuffs is the packaging that’s sold for the intended use of housing cakes, biscuits and chocolates etc.

You’re getting a bit anal now and not in a good way.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Bear in mind if you make any and some turn out not fit to be sold, a percentage needs to be added in for that loss possibly 10%

Whatever it costs you to make them you need to at least double that to sell them. Otherwise its never worth while. I would even consider multiplying the cost x 3 to get a selling price.

Best of luck.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

You don't want to be accused of causing illness, is the baseline.

I’d stick my neck out here and assume that the packaging that’s safest for foodstuffs is the packaging that’s sold for the intended use of housing cakes, biscuits and chocolates etc.

You’re getting a bit anal now and not in a good way. "

Milk powder/cocoa powder is not the same as biscuits or solid chocolate. I'm sure you'll do your research. I'm offering professional advice, based on my previous work in food safety labs. If you think that's "anal" then so be it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're selling any kind of food products you need to have food safety and hygiene certificates and you'll need your workspace (guessing kitchen) to have a hygiene rating as well.

Also liability insurance.

Posh"

100% this know of a trader who was trading sweets ie repacking them and selling on facebook and is now under invesigation for not declaring for tax purpose and having no hygine and heath safety and insurance

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though"

You can give them away to anyone and they can make a donation but even that can be hard now with food higgene law enforcement.

And I don't know where you would stand on using branded ingredients without the brand's concent.

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

You don't want to be accused of causing illness, is the baseline.

I’d stick my neck out here and assume that the packaging that’s safest for foodstuffs is the packaging that’s sold for the intended use of housing cakes, biscuits and chocolates etc.

You’re getting a bit anal now and not in a good way.

Agree. And as someone with very severe food allergies I’d never risk buying anything unlabelled or from someone without food hygiene knowledge. Huge consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I made hot chocolate bombs last year just for family and friends but they were so good (humble brag) that people were saying you should sell these on Facebook for Xmas eve boxes or just to have running up to Xmas.

How do I work out what I should be selling them for? I’m gonna sell them as two bombs (cos the boxes fit 2) "

I have the same dilemma due to people wanting paintings and original art I have done. But someone said to me just record how many hours work you have put into it and I will pay you by the hour. Although a lot of them people won’t be able to afford the work.

With your dilemma I would cost for how much you have had to outlay for materials and then charge for your time. Whatever hourly rate you think it deserves etc. As it gives you an interesting dea of how to quantify units

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though

I don’t think I’d get much for my feet. I do around 36 thousand steps per shift in work. My feet are fucked.

I’m almost certain there’s a market for that. My friend sells hers and she has goats hooves for feet "

Still doesn’t help with the people asking if I can sell my hot chocolate bombs so they can put them in their kids Xmas eve boxes.

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By *ooBulMan
over a year ago

Missin’ Yo’ Kissin’

I'd work out what the minimum wage was for a person your age per hour.... Then charge above that. What is your minimum per hour price/wage before you get out of bed & what would be your maxima.

1st rule of marketing is looking at what your competitors do and how much they charge. Do that.

2nd rule would be thinking what could I do that no one is doing...?

3rd rule source the recipe costs add that to the hourly rate plus packaging & distribution. Then work out how much profit you would add onto everything else.

Have fun!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

How do I work out what I should be selling them for? I’m gonna sell them as two bombs (cos the boxes fit 2)

That's £30 a bomb then

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm glad I lived in the era I did.....

Bommy time we'd walk around to the woman who had LOADS of kids and buy a toffee apple made in her house.....

Never asked who spit in it or nuttin' .....

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though

I don’t think I’d get much for my feet. I do around 36 thousand steps per shift in work. My feet are fucked.

I’m almost certain there’s a market for that. My friend sells hers and she has goats hooves for feet

Still doesn’t help with the people asking if I can sell my hot chocolate bombs so they can put them in their kids Xmas eve boxes.

To be fair I thought you didn’t actually want help with that considering the amount of really useful posts on here you’ve just refused to acknowledge

Maybe put feet pics in their Xmas Eve boxes

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By *ornyone30Man
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

As has been mentioned from a costing point of view, figure out your cost price (include every little thing) then decide what you want to make as profit, I wouldn't get too bogged down with % etc just decide what your comfortable with as it's only a one off. Personally I'd double your cost price for selling price but that's just me.

As for HMRC if you sell 30 bombs at even £10 each I hardly think you're public enemy no.1 they have bigger fish to fry

Technically your kitchen should be inspected and you should have food safety cert.

If you're pre-packing your bombs your labelling should contain any and ALL ingredients with allergens highlighted regardless if it's just for friends. This was introduced after the girl who died eating a sandwich from pret.

Most of the advice you have been given is correct but personally if your selling a few things once I'd question exactly how deep you need to delve into it all.

Most of all if it's not fun but full of stress question if you should do it.

Best of luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do I work out what I should be selling them for? I’m gonna sell them as two bombs (cos the boxes fit 2)

That's £30 a bomb then"

Haha hardly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you are missing a trick by not making them your favourite shape though. Hot Chocolate arsehole shaped bombs. Some clever marketing and no one is getting a bum deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15 "

No, that would be £12.50.

£15 would be 200percent

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think the point your missing is the worse case scenario

Someone gets ill and blames your product.

Is it likely to happen? No. But you have to weigh up the risk/reward ratio

The risk of it happen is low, but the consequences would be disastrous

And the reward? Couple 100 quid at best?

It’s your call. I still think feet pictures is a better option though

I don’t think I’d get much for my feet. I do around 36 thousand steps per shift in work. My feet are fucked.

I’m almost certain there’s a market for that. My friend sells hers and she has goats hooves for feet

Still doesn’t help with the people asking if I can sell my hot chocolate bombs so they can put them in their kids Xmas eve boxes.

To be fair I thought you didn’t actually want help with that considering the amount of really useful posts on here you’ve just refused to acknowledge

Maybe put feet pics in their Xmas Eve boxes "

How have I refused to acknowledge it? I’ve acknowledged it so much that it’s put me off. I’m not gonna do it.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Remember cost fixed value is on how much somebody is willing to pay the markup on a product such as this should be around 110% to 120% of the cost...

At least..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think you are missing a trick by not making them your favourite shape though. Hot Chocolate arsehole shaped bombs. Some clever marketing and no one is getting a bum deal.

Hi Kids........ Here's your Santa's Chocolate Arse Hole........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm glad I lived in the era I did..... "

I thought you were alive and kicking in this era but are you posting from beyond the grave Granny?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'm glad I lived in the era I did.....

I thought you were alive and kicking in this era but are you posting from beyond the grave Granny? "

No dear. An era isn't necessa.....

Yes. Yes I am. I posting from beyond the grave....

You got the willies up you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd also suggest you look up the recently introduced Natashas Law which is applicable to home food businesses

Whilst you might feel you're not looking to have a business, the laws will see it differently.

Although it may seem like you're selling on galaxy / aero hot chocolate, it really isn't that simple.

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By *ensualpleasures69Man
over a year ago

leeds

"Add up EVERYTHING you need :

Boxes

Chocolate

Marshmallows

Sprinkles

Heat for melting

Petrol (if)

Time (if)

Postage

Packaging

Labels

Wrapping

Advertising

Possible returns (causing a loss)

Possible thefts (twats that lie)

Add them all up.

Divide by 10 ( cos you said 10 boxes )

That's your COST

To make a profit ( here's the amazing tip ) sell them for more than it cost to make.

Now then ...... for me to bother my ARSE my profits have to be pretty high.

It's my belief that home made products are FAR more expensive than mass manufactured so consider whether it's worth your time.

Look out for FOOD laws/requirments etc.....

Take out liability so that if you are accused of selling products that make people ill you have enough money to pay them .......

While we are on it..... ADD that to your costs

Good luck

Don't forget food manufacture laws..... are your premises passed for food manufacture and retail ? "

Follow this very good a vice and your almost there.

One golden rule from Harvard, “Have more money coming in than you have going out”

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'm glad I lived in the era I did.....

I thought you were alive and kicking in this era but are you posting from beyond the grave Granny? "

I 'see' you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you are missing a trick by not making them your favourite shape though. Hot Chocolate arsehole shaped bombs. Some clever marketing and no one is getting a bum deal.

Hi Kids........ Here's your Santa's Chocolate Arse Hole........ "

Obviously for the adults lol. Where is the facepalm emoji when you need it

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"I'm glad I lived in the era I did.....

Bommy time we'd walk around to the woman who had LOADS of kids and buy a toffee apple made in her house.....

Never asked who spit in it or nuttin' ..... "

Sadly back then we wouldn't sue at the drop of a hat.

With the 'no win, no fee' companies, people sue at the drop of a hat.

The environmental health food standards can be a minefield, but it is a big hurdle that needs to be tackled.

Maybe use this year to perfect different recipes, then read up on the legal side of things for next year.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

How do I work out what I should be selling them for? I’m gonna sell them as two bombs (cos the boxes fit 2)

That's £30 a bomb then

Haha hardly.

Only if it is sold in Harrods, would I pay that price

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Annie's @ Harrod's ....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm glad I lived in the era I did.....

Bommy time we'd walk around to the woman who had LOADS of kids and buy a toffee apple made in her house.....

Never asked who spit in it or nuttin' .....

Sadly back then we wouldn't sue at the drop of a hat.

With the 'no win, no fee' companies, people sue at the drop of a hat.

The environmental health food standards can be a minefield, but it is a big hurdle that needs to be tackled.

Maybe use this year to perfect different recipes, then read up on the legal side of things for next year."

I perfected how to make them last year. There’s not that much to them.

People going on like I’m gonna be putting anthrax in them.

I’m not doing it now. Put me off completely.

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By *ornyone30Man
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

"I'm glad I lived in the era I did.....

Bommy time we'd walk around to the woman who had LOADS of kids and buy a toffee apple made in her house.....

Never asked who spit in it or nuttin' .....

Sadly back then we wouldn't sue at the drop of a hat.

With the 'no win, no fee' companies, people sue at the drop of a hat.

The environmental health food standards can be a minefield, but it is a big hurdle that needs to be tackled.

Maybe use this year to perfect different recipes, then read up on the legal side of things for next year.

I perfected how to make them last year. There’s not that much to them.

People going on like I’m gonna be putting anthrax in them.

I’m not doing it now. Put me off completely. "

That's a shame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much would you pay for it yourself?

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

I would look online in lots of places to see how much other people charge.

An acquaintance of mine is selling them on Facebook on her cake page but I can't find the post.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Has anyone mentioned nut or other allergies?

If you are selling you would need to declare the ingredients used on the packaging otherwise you are potentially setting yourself up if anyone does have a reaction

A lot of chocolate and sweet products are nut based or contain nuts

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Has anyone mentioned nut or other allergies?

If you are selling you would need to declare the ingredients used on the packaging otherwise you are potentially setting yourself up if anyone does have a reaction

A lot of chocolate and sweet products are nut based or contain nuts "

But that’s the point. People already know if they can eat galaxy chocolate or drink aero hot chocolate or eat marshmallows. I know if I had an allergy to galaxy I wouldn’t buy something made out of melted galaxy chocolate.

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By *ornyone30Man
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

"Has anyone mentioned nut or other allergies?

If you are selling you would need to declare the ingredients used on the packaging otherwise you are potentially setting yourself up if anyone does have a reaction

A lot of chocolate and sweet products are nut based or contain nuts

If I bought bread and ham and butter, made a sandwich, packed it up then sold it, whether people know what's in bread, ham and butter is irrelevant. I still need to list ingredients and allergens. This out of all the other things listed that you should/shouldn't do is the one I'd suggest you do. Just trying to look out for your best interests. I was going to PM you but im outside your age range ??????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP has gone ? What happened ??

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"OP has gone ? What happened ??"

People come and go. You press the delete profile button and then the are you sure button ....... yes.... and the profile goes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mark up is usually around 150% so if something costs £5 to make you sell for £15 "

That's what I do if I sell any crochet I make.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP has gone ? What happened ??"

Probably too busy making hot chocolate bombs to be on here.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

OP was Annie wasn’t it not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old."

I found a piece of bacon in a hole in my teeth where that filling I lost used to be the other day.

I hadn’t eaten bacon for three weeks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old.

I found a piece of bacon in a hole in my teeth where that filling I lost used to be the other day.

I hadn’t eaten bacon for three weeks!"

Hahaha omg that is grim!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old.

I found a piece of bacon in a hole in my teeth where that filling I lost used to be the other day.

I hadn’t eaten bacon for three weeks!"

Sam

must have stinked !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old.

I found a piece of bacon in a hole in my teeth where that filling I lost used to be the other day.

I hadn’t eaten bacon for three weeks!

Sam

must have stinked !"

Yeah, probably.

Tasted alright though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP has gone ? What happened ??"

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"OP has gone ? What happened ??"

Did you go digging this out for maths lessons ??

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old.

I found a piece of bacon in a hole in my teeth where that filling I lost used to be the other day.

I hadn’t eaten bacon for three weeks!

Sam

must have stinked !

Yeah, probably.

Tasted alright though."

Like that spanish jambon ........ ancient but interesting

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

You shouldn’t do this if you want to build a business, you should price based on what your market can stand not costs and margin , and you create value , or perception of value at least. Do you know your market? Have you profiled what they are prepared to pay ?

If you want further advice I’ll offer it at £1000 per day. Others might offer it much cheaper , take there’s first then come back to the that will work, it’s not cheap but it will work. Get it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you must have dug deep for this .... it's 3 weeks old.

I found a piece of bacon in a hole in my teeth where that filling I lost used to be the other day.

I hadn’t eaten bacon for three weeks!

Sam

must have stinked !

Yeah, probably.

Tasted alright though.

Like Granny-Crumpet ........ ancient but interesting"

True story

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"You shouldn’t do this if you want to build a business, you should price based on what your market can stand not costs and margin , and you create value , or perception of value at least. Do you know your market? Have you profiled what they are prepared to pay ?

Who you talking to Notts ?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Made his fortune of course

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I actually know the answer to the original question.

But Google probably does too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Did you go digging this out for maths lessons ??"

Just noticed she had left when clicked on my previous forum posts and wondered if anyone knew why ? One of the more entertaining posters IMO

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Made his fortune of course

you are right , he probably got his business up and running and is happily busy making his fortune

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Did you go digging this out for maths lessons ??

Just noticed she had left when clicked on my previous forum posts and wondered if anyone knew why ? One of the more entertaining posters IMO "

Hope someone is able to let you know why.

Just another forumite. They come , they go , they come back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Did you go digging this out for maths lessons ??

Just noticed she had left when clicked on my previous forum posts and wondered if anyone knew why ? One of the more entertaining posters IMO "

Yes she is.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Made his fortune of course

you are right , he probably got his business up and running and is happily busy making his fortune"

Until hot choc season is over

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Did you go digging this out for maths lessons ??

Just noticed she had left when clicked on my previous forum posts and wondered if anyone knew why ? One of the more entertaining posters IMO "

Wasn’t getting the attention she needed. She’ll be back once she craves it again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP has gone ? What happened ??

Did you go digging this out for maths lessons ??

Just noticed she had left when clicked on my previous forum posts and wondered if anyone knew why ? One of the more entertaining posters IMO

Yes she is. "

Here’s hoping she’s in a good place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She actually left this time as she found what she’s been looking for all these years.

Top bird, always amusing and cooks a banging roast dinner.

Good luck old friend

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