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"And you have had the LibDems in power as part of a coalition government, and while they had to help the government pass some bills they didn’t actually support (Student loans etc), then also got the Toryboys to pass a smaller number of things that they didn’t want to pass. " Except what they actually sold down the river was one of their arch principals… free education. And with that their credibility died for a generation. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already." Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning." I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP | |||
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"Labour and Tories say they do. But let's be honest they can't agree which lace to tie first. And even if they did agree. Such an agreement would be constitutionally dangerous. (By this I mean if the Tories and Labour both agreed an idea. Ie paint all doors red. The law would pass unopposed. We would all have to start painting.)" With a majority party, the opposition isn’t the issue. With a majority they can pretty much do what they like, unless the have resistance in their own ranks. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP" Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. | |||
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"And you have had the LibDems in power as part of a coalition government, and while they had to help the government pass some bills they didn’t actually support (Student loans etc), then also got the Toryboys to pass a smaller number of things that they didn’t want to pass. Except what they actually sold down the river was one of their arch principals… free education. And with that their credibility died for a generation." My personal feeling is that they got stitched up on that one. Yes, they helped the Cons get their way, but if they had never entered into the coalition another election would have seen them get in and do it on their own. So it was always going to come to pass, the LD influence was not big enough to stop this, neither was Labours and we don’t blame them. But they did get a smaller number of LD manifesto wins implemented that the Cons wouldn’t have done. In proportion to the number of seats they won in that election (not many) they represented their manifesto with influence proportionally (a bit, not much). The kicking they got has killed the 3 party system, and made the chances of either Cons or Lab needing a coalition ever again almost infinitesimally small. Lib Dem voters (like me) should have sucked it up knowing that coalitions were their route to proportional power. Now I can’t even name a single LD MP, not even the party leader | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. " Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on." Have you considered standing as an independent? | |||
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"Yes, they helped the Cons get their way, but if they had never entered into the coalition another election would have seen them get in and do it on their own. " What happened to the LibDems was there for all to see. They backed the wrong horse and should have joined a Labour in coalition. They Tories were always going to fuck them over. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on. Have you considered standing as an independent? " Do you imagine that would work under our current system? How many do stand as independents and how much power do they have? My energy is better served elsewhere. Besides, in my seat, the Tories regularly get less votes than the Greens ![]() | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on. Have you considered standing as an independent? Do you imagine that would work under our current system? How many do stand as independents and how much power do they have? My energy is better served elsewhere. Besides, in my seat, the Tories regularly get less votes than the Greens ![]() A cohort of independents would be a lot easier to set up than a whole new party. | |||
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"Yes, they helped the Cons get their way, but if they had never entered into the coalition another election would have seen them get in and do it on their own. What happened to the LibDems was there for all to see. They backed the wrong horse and should have joined a Labour in coalition. They Tories were always going to fuck them over." It was the voters who fucked them over not the torys | |||
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"I mull this over a lot and my idea is bat shit crazy but..... I'm considering starting a political party for ordinary people. OK laughter over now let's get real. I'm over 49. and I've never known anything other than Labour or tories to be in power. Opposition wise to me the lib dems are in effectual as a opposition so all roads will inevitably go back to a Labour or Tory government. And so the political coin spins and lands on red or blue. With the only effective opposition being the other side of the same coin. Don't get me wrong there are pressure groups that push for some very worthy and unworthy causes But none of these groups are exclusively to support simple ordinary people. Labour and Tories say they do. But let's be honest they can't agree which lace to tie first. And even if they did agree. Such an agreement would be constitutionally dangerous. (By this I mean if the Tories and Labour both agreed an idea. Ie paint all doors red. The law would pass unopposed. We would all have to start painting.) So what we have then is if the tories had a great idea that would help and support ordinary people. Labour would effectively have to oppose it. And vice versa. But both parties now seem so far apart they wouldn't know or be able to meet the needs of plain ordinary people And so to my point. 1) good idea or bad idea? 2) does anyone know how to start a New political party? Please begin" Definitely, the dominance of 'red or blue team politics' nulifies democracy. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on. Have you considered standing as an independent? Do you imagine that would work under our current system? How many do stand as independents and how much power do they have? My energy is better served elsewhere. Besides, in my seat, the Tories regularly get less votes than the Greens ![]() I'm not proposing setting up a new party. I'm saying the system is broken. I do not think independents can realistically play the kind of role they do under other constitutional arrangements, and I see it as a waste of my energy. That's not to say others can't. My energy is better spent elsewhere. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on. Have you considered standing as an independent? Do you imagine that would work under our current system? How many do stand as independents and how much power do they have? My energy is better served elsewhere. Besides, in my seat, the Tories regularly get less votes than the Greens ![]() So is mine and, I would imagine, everyone else who might have an independent voice. I guess that is why we have the leaders we have. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already." All of the above is kind of my point. And to be honest there's not much between them. In my time I've voted for both. What I will say is don't not vote. This is just my personal view. If you don't vote the fanatics will. They always do. Even if its a protest vote for the monster raving loony party. Your vote is the only thing that scares these people. But I genuinely get where your coming from | |||
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"I mull this over a lot and my idea is bat shit crazy but..... I'm considering starting a political party for ordinary people. OK laughter over now let's get real. I'm over 49. and I've never known anything other than Labour or tories to be in power. Opposition wise to me the lib dems are in effectual as a opposition so all roads will inevitably go back to a Labour or Tory government. And so the political coin spins and lands on red or blue. With the only effective opposition being the other side of the same coin. Don't get me wrong there are pressure groups that push for some very worthy and unworthy causes But none of these groups are exclusively to support simple ordinary people. Labour and Tories say they do. But let's be honest they can't agree which lace to tie first. And even if they did agree. Such an agreement would be constitutionally dangerous. (By this I mean if the Tories and Labour both agreed an idea. Ie paint all doors red. The law would pass unopposed. We would all have to start painting.) So what we have then is if the tories had a great idea that would help and support ordinary people. Labour would effectively have to oppose it. And vice versa. But both parties now seem so far apart they wouldn't know or be able to meet the needs of plain ordinary people And so to my point. 1) good idea or bad idea? 2) does anyone know how to start a New political party? Please begin" To start a new political party, you need a new vision / manifesto on how things should be done. What are the polices for this new party and how do they differ from Tory or labour policy? With labour having lurched to the left and tories having lurched to the right in recent years, there is probably room in the middle, for centrist moderates. I heard Rory Stewart speak on this subject and he was pointing out the issue that it’s hard to get people excited or engaged on being moderate ... much easier to whip people up to be radical, on the fringes. | |||
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"We need a new system. Brexit revealed our much vaunted parliamentary system to be an utter shambles influenced far too much, on all sides, by cronyism and those with self serving agendas, not to mention the fossil that is the House of Lords. When the people got to speak, regardless of which view you took, the political elite were so wrapped up in their own arrogance, they were totally unprepared for what might and did happen. Even worse, they spent the next three years trying to stop it or work it to their personal advantage. I will never vote again in this system. So, to answer the op's question, no we don't need another, we have quite enough twats already. Unfortunately, not voting again doesn't help. If anything it helps make things worse. Look at policies that mean something to you and vote for the lesser of evils, even if that is a party that has no chance of winning. I hold my nose and vote, but the system needs a complete overhaul. Democratic upper house Greater independence of judiciary Disentangle parliamentary sovereignty from the executive - if not think of a better system Scrap FPTP Totally agree. But I can't see it ever happening as it's potentially damaging for the people that need to put it in place. Oh agreed. They won't change what benefits them. And so the blatant corruption rumbles on. Have you considered standing as an independent? Do you imagine that would work under our current system? How many do stand as independents and how much power do they have? My energy is better served elsewhere. Besides, in my seat, the Tories regularly get less votes than the Greens ![]() I do plenty politically. I just see no point in trying to fight a losing battle in a rotten system. This is not on me. | |||
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"Why not? The others are not fit for purpose. That's for sure! However, I'm constantly worried that Tony Blair will pop up as the party Leader of some new party..... The grinning bafoon hangs around the news outlets like a shitty kling-on round a toilet bowl! What is this idiots end game? Very worrying! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh my god nooooooo!!! I never really understood why ex politicians keep doing this. They've had their turn. Its not their problem anymore. | |||
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"Once a year, you log online and vote your priorities for local spending and national spending." A laudable idea, except for the fact that populist ideas policies aren’t always in the national interest, and severely disadvantage minorities. Also, there are far more issues than just spending and shit happens during the year. | |||
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"Personally I’m opposed to the concept of political parties at all and would happily see that system scrapped, it allows for too much rigging of Parliamentary voting on serious matters through the Whip office removing many politicians desire to vote a certain way on issues. I would replace this with a system whereby anyone wanting to stand for office does so with their own set of values and opinions and is voted for as an individual rather than as a representative of a party. Each person wanted to stand for office is assigned a fixed budget for campaigns that is identical to anyone else’s, and no other spending on support for that candidate would be allowed. Then in Parliament, any member can propose a bill, and it is discussed not along party lines but by individual opinion, and is voted for by everyone in the house independently. However, I can’t see this ever coming to pass as the people who would need to bring this into being have far too great a vested interest in the current situation and would probably have the most to lose by doing so. " As a voter, this doesn’t work for me. I elect an mp who makes up their mind as they go along, rather than against a teamwork of a particular manifesto? Chaos | |||
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"I'm forming a new political party with main goal of be the next government party in the next elections and of course myself as a primer minister of England and united Kingdom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() For a split second I thought you were serious. But no. However I am. So how about you join me. My second job. Construction. My income from second job. £15 per hour. How can an mp really understand what it's like on minimum wage? And then make policies to support these ordinary people? Yet last year that was me on minimum wage. So I know, because I have lived and breathed the minimum wage struggle. In fact I went to primark and nought the T shirt. | |||
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