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"interesting, ive noticed a marked increase in the number of speed traps round these parts too and they don't usually bother in swindon. suffice to say my brakes are getting a good test at the moment "If my mate was not winding me up, it would mean an increased aount of speedtraps at the end of March, June, September and December. Since he told me this, I have noticed more around that time. Maybe a coincidence. I have been nicked 3 times for speeding in the last 25 years. Twice at the end of June and once in May! | |||
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"They should replace "speed guns" with real guns then just shoot the speeder as they approach ...that would cut down on the boy (girl) racers then they could sell on the cars left behind they'd make more money and the roads would be safer ...its a win win "I completely concur. At the same time can they shoot doddery old gits driving at 20 MPH and creating a tailback as long as the Great Wall of China. Also, people towing caravans! | |||
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"They should replace "speed guns" with real guns then just shoot the speeder as they approach ...that would cut down on the boy (girl) racers then they could sell on the cars left behind they'd make more money and the roads would be safer ...its a win win
I completely concur.
At the same time can they shoot doddery old gits driving at 20 MPH and creating a tailback as long as the Great Wall of China.
Also, people towing caravans! "NOOoooo cant allow them to do that....i want that job | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!"Firstly it sounds from the level of activity you describe more like an operation to catch uninsured drivers or other vehicles that flash up on the ANPR system. Secondly, if you are caught speeding then you are a 'proper criminal'. In the same way that someone punching someone else in front of a policeman is a proper criminal. Just because your crime is easy to detect and punish doesn't make it any less criminal. If you don't like being caught then stop being naughty! And who do you think the fine money goes to? Do you think that the person who issues the ticket gets to take it home or something? And the last two coppers who went to detect a proper crime got shot for their trouble so HOW ABOUT SHOWING SOME FUCKING RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE BOLLOCKS TO DEAL WITH UTTER CUNTS LIKE THAT EVERY FUCKING WORKING DAY. Still, its down to peoples preference/choice. | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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Firstly it sounds from the level of activity you describe more like an operation to catch uninsured drivers or other vehicles that flash up on the ANPR system.
Secondly, if you are caught speeding then you are a 'proper criminal'. In the same way that someone punching someone else in front of a policeman is a proper criminal. Just because your crime is easy to detect and punish doesn't make it any less criminal. If you don't like being caught then stop being naughty! And who do you think the fine money goes to? Do you think that the person who issues the ticket gets to take it home or something?
And the last two coppers who went to detect a proper crime got shot for their trouble so HOW ABOUT SHOWING SOME FUCKING RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE BOLLOCKS TO DEAL WITH UTTER CUNTS LIKE THAT EVERY FUCKING WORKING DAY.
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!"maybe if people stopped speeding we'd have more time to catch "real" criminals? | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!"I wonder if your response would be the same if your child was mown down by a speeding driver !!! | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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maybe if people stopped speeding we'd have more time to catch "real" criminals?" | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!"a word of warning to those who flash their lights to warn of speed cameras,the police have the power to charge you as well,think it comes under driving without due care and attention or distracting other road users. Have heard of people getting 3 points and a £60 fine for it,makes them even bigger bastards eh  | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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maybe if people stopped speeding we'd have more time to catch "real" criminals?"It just seems like lazy policing to me, and what I saw today was total overkill on such a small road. My sister is in the police, and she prefers not to be nicking motorists and locking and concentratin on the more importnat aspects of the police service/force | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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Firstly it sounds from the level of activity you describe more like an operation to catch uninsured drivers or other vehicles that flash up on the ANPR system.
Secondly, if you are caught speeding then you are a 'proper criminal'. In the same way that someone punching someone else in front of a policeman is a proper criminal. Just because your crime is easy to detect and punish doesn't make it any less criminal. If you don't like being caught then stop being naughty! And who do you think the fine money goes to? Do you think that the person who issues the ticket gets to take it home or something?
And the last two coppers who went to detect a proper crime got shot for their trouble so HOW ABOUT SHOWING SOME FUCKING RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE BOLLOCKS TO DEAL WITH UTTER CUNTS LIKE THAT EVERY FUCKING WORKING DAY.
Still, its down to peoples preference/choice. "This is not about disrespcting the police as a whole. Anyone who dies whilst at their workplace is a tragedy | |||
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" My sister is in the police, and she prefers not to be nicking motorists and locking and concentratin on the more importnat aspects of the police service/force" I'm sure your sister would still prefer to be proactive stopping speeding than having to deal with the aftermath of an accident | |||
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"I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard!" I think every motorist who has no respect for other road users is a complete and utter bastard! | |||
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" Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!a word of warning to those who flash their lights to warn of speed cameras,the police have the power to charge you as well,think it comes under driving without due care and attention or distracting other road users.
Have heard of people getting 3 points and a £60 fine for it,makes them even bigger bastards eh "i think the majority of us flash lights in warning to ellow road users of speed traps but if the traps are to 'slow' traffic down aren't we law abiding citizens by helping to slow traffic down?,unless they are not traffic calming but fund raising!. | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!"I used to be in a police force that has plenty of rural roads,and like lots of other parts of rural Britain there was plenty of hidden farm entrances,domestic driveways and small unmarked junctions. Also in some places as the small roads entered a village, the first building was a school. I think you may get the picture. Often we got a call to go to an accident between either 2 or more vehicles or a pedestrian being knocked down and either killed or injured. Also farm animals were liable to be injured if they had strayed onto the road. Then there are the cases of wild animals being knocked down and seriously injured or killed. When the approaches to the accidents were looked at, often it was found that the driver's vision was seriously impeded by features such as hedges, walls,trees or parked vehicles. Such driving conditions demand that a vehicle is driven with due care and attention, which amongst other things is to stay within the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Speed limits are there for a purpose - that being road safety. Safety of pedestrians and all other road users. Even on seemingly long straight stretches of road a speed limit will be imposed. Why? Because at the end of the straight stretch there may be any kind of bend in the road. Some of which must be approached with care so the the vehicle can be driven round it safely. Also the road may have a factory entrance/exit leading from it. All kinds of factors are taken into consideration when a speed limit is set. From time to time a particular road will be 'blitzed' by the police to ensure the speed limits are being obeyed,and, should the limit be exceeded then the driver will pay the penalty. The penalty is there to try and deter the driver from future folly of exceeding the speed limit. Having attended road traffic accidents where I've seen the results of people's speeding, I wholeheartedly agree with speed checks. Try picking up a head that has been severed from it's body,picking up limbs that have been severed from the body, and seeing some other horrendous injuries and traumatic deaths as a result of speeding related accidents. It's not pretty nor is it easy to deal with those things, especially if the victim is a child. Next time you are tempted to put your foot down and 'go for it', try thinking about the possible consequences of your actions. | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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I used to be in a police force that has plenty of rural roads,and like lots of other parts of rural Britain there was plenty of hidden farm entrances,domestic driveways and small unmarked junctions. Also in some places as the small roads entered a village, the first building was a school. I think you may get the picture.
Often we got a call to go to an accident between either 2 or more vehicles or a pedestrian being knocked down and either killed or injured. Also farm animals were liable to be injured if they had strayed onto the road. Then there are the cases of wild animals being knocked down and seriously injured or killed.
When the approaches to the accidents were looked at, often it was found that the driver's vision was seriously impeded by features such as hedges, walls,trees or parked vehicles.
Such driving conditions demand that a vehicle is driven with due care and attention, which amongst other things is to stay within the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Speed limits are there for a purpose - that being road safety. Safety of pedestrians and all other road users.
Even on seemingly long straight stretches of road a speed limit will be imposed. Why? Because at the end of the straight stretch there may be any kind of bend in the road. Some of which must be approached with care so the the vehicle can be driven round it safely. Also the road may have a factory entrance/exit leading from it. All kinds of factors are taken into consideration when a speed limit is set.
From time to time a particular road will be 'blitzed' by the police to ensure the speed limits are being obeyed,and, should the limit be exceeded then the driver will pay the penalty. The penalty is there to try and deter the driver from future folly of exceeding the speed limit.
Having attended road traffic accidents where I've seen the results of people's speeding, I wholeheartedly agree with speed checks.
Try picking up a head that has been severed from it's body,picking up limbs that have been severed from the body, and seeing some other horrendous injuries and traumatic deaths as a result of speeding related accidents. It's not pretty nor is it easy to deal with those things, especially if the victim is a child.
Next time you are tempted to put your foot down and 'go for it', try thinking about the possible consequences of your actions. "THANK YOU! | |||
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"Quite honestly after the events yesterday in Manchester I think threads like this are appalling. You'd be bitching & moaning if the police did bog all about a speeder who knocked down a child or ploughed into a car with a family in it. The police do a brilliant job and don't get the credit they deserve. Speeders deserve the points, bans etc that they get, speed limits are there for a reason. " | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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Firstly it sounds from the level of activity you describe more like an operation to catch uninsured drivers or other vehicles that flash up on the ANPR system.
Secondly, if you are caught speeding then you are a 'proper criminal'. In the same way that someone punching someone else in front of a policeman is a proper criminal. Just because your crime is easy to detect and punish doesn't make it any less criminal. If you don't like being caught then stop being naughty! And who do you think the fine money goes to? Do you think that the person who issues the ticket gets to take it home or something?
And the last two coppers who went to detect a proper crime got shot for their trouble so HOW ABOUT SHOWING SOME FUCKING RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE BOLLOCKS TO DEAL WITH UTTER CUNTS LIKE THAT EVERY FUCKING WORKING DAY.
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"Quite honestly after the events yesterday in Manchester I think threads like this are appalling. You'd be bitching & moaning if the police did bog all about a speeder who knocked down a child or ploughed into a car with a family in it. The police do a brilliant job and don't get the credit they deserve. Speeders deserve the points, bans etc that they get, speed limits are there for a reason. " | |||
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"Maybe a coincidence. I have been nicked 3 times for speeding in the last 25 years. Twice at the end of June and once in May!" Don't you mean you've been nicked for speeding 3 times this year? Maybe you ought to think about slowing down as you don't seem to be very good at going fast. | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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I used to be in a police force that has plenty of rural roads,and like lots of other parts of rural Britain there was plenty of hidden farm entrances,domestic driveways and small unmarked junctions. Also in some places as the small roads entered a village, the first building was a school. I think you may get the picture.
Often we got a call to go to an accident between either 2 or more vehicles or a pedestrian being knocked down and either killed or injured. Also farm animals were liable to be injured if they had strayed onto the road. Then there are the cases of wild animals being knocked down and seriously injured or killed.
When the approaches to the accidents were looked at, often it was found that the driver's vision was seriously impeded by features such as hedges, walls,trees or parked vehicles.
Such driving conditions demand that a vehicle is driven with due care and attention, which amongst other things is to stay within the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Speed limits are there for a purpose - that being road safety. Safety of pedestrians and all other road users.
Even on seemingly long straight stretches of road a speed limit will be imposed. Why? Because at the end of the straight stretch there may be any kind of bend in the road. Some of which must be approached with care so the the vehicle can be driven round it safely. Also the road may have a factory entrance/exit leading from it. All kinds of factors are taken into consideration when a speed limit is set.
From time to time a particular road will be 'blitzed' by the police to ensure the speed limits are being obeyed,and, should the limit be exceeded then the driver will pay the penalty. The penalty is there to try and deter the driver from future folly of exceeding the speed limit.
Having attended road traffic accidents where I've seen the results of people's speeding, I wholeheartedly agree with speed checks.
Try picking up a head that has been severed from it's body,picking up limbs that have been severed from the body, and seeing some other horrendous injuries and traumatic deaths as a result of speeding related accidents. It's not pretty nor is it easy to deal with those things, especially if the victim is a child.
Next time you are tempted to put your foot down and 'go for it', try thinking about the possible consequences of your actions. "
Our local papers also print where the portable speed cams are going to be on a given day and on which stretches of road.
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"Half the time they aren't speed vans they are after untaxed and uninsured drivers. They make out its speed so bastards without insurance dont turn round. I have NO problem with them nicking anyone who drives without insurance to cover anyone they may maim. " they say it's about road safety this speed prevention lark but really it's about getting money from motorists and for getting numbers up for the crime rate!,they set up round by me in a nice little villlage to catch drivers exiting the village!,just as people have slowed right down to the law required limits and exit the village on the last bend away from houses etc there is a sneaky van (not police though!) parked there to catch cars as they speed up away from the village onto open roads. definitly a money trap. | |||
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"Woaoooooooo. I never thought that we all love that much our police "I do and always have... I couldn't do their job, I for one don't have the bottle to what they do, to knock on a door and advise a parent their child has been killed. Sends shivers down my spine at the very thought. | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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I used to be in a police force that has plenty of rural roads,and like lots of other parts of rural Britain there was plenty of hidden farm entrances,domestic driveways and small unmarked junctions. Also in some places as the small roads entered a village, the first building was a school. I think you may get the picture.
Often we got a call to go to an accident between either 2 or more vehicles or a pedestrian being knocked down and either killed or injured. Also farm animals were liable to be injured if they had strayed onto the road. Then there are the cases of wild animals being knocked down and seriously injured or killed.
When the approaches to the accidents were looked at, often it was found that the driver's vision was seriously impeded by features such as hedges, walls,trees or parked vehicles.
Such driving conditions demand that a vehicle is driven with due care and attention, which amongst other things is to stay within the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Speed limits are there for a purpose - that being road safety. Safety of pedestrians and all other road users.
Even on seemingly long straight stretches of road a speed limit will be imposed. Why? Because at the end of the straight stretch there may be any kind of bend in the road. Some of which must be approached with care so the the vehicle can be driven round it safely. Also the road may have a factory entrance/exit leading from it. All kinds of factors are taken into consideration when a speed limit is set.
From time to time a particular road will be 'blitzed' by the police to ensure the speed limits are being obeyed,and, should the limit be exceeded then the driver will pay the penalty. The penalty is there to try and deter the driver from future folly of exceeding the speed limit.
Having attended road traffic accidents where I've seen the results of people's speeding, I wholeheartedly agree with speed checks.
Try picking up a head that has been severed from it's body,picking up limbs that have been severed from the body, and seeing some other horrendous injuries and traumatic deaths as a result of speeding related accidents. It's not pretty nor is it easy to deal with those things, especially if the victim is a child.
Next time you are tempted to put your foot down and 'go for it', try thinking about the possible consequences of your actions. "I agree entirely, having worked in the ambulance service for 25 years and seen many fatal accidents it is no fun having to pick up pieces of children and adults at the the scene. Speed limits exist for a reason as does the Road Traffic Act. | |||
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"Quite honestly after the events yesterday in Manchester I think threads like this are appalling. You'd be bitching & moaning if the police did bog all about a speeder who knocked down a child or ploughed into a car with a family in it. The police do a brilliant job and don't get the credit they deserve. Speeders deserve the points, bans etc that they get, speed limits are there for a reason. " Very well said, it's disgusting to see this thread put up at this very sad time for our Police force. | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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"Half the time they aren't speed vans they are after untaxed and uninsured drivers. They make out its speed so bastards without insurance dont turn round. I have NO problem with them nicking anyone who drives without insurance to cover anyone they may maim. they say it's about road safety this speed prevention lark but really it's about getting money from motorists and for getting numbers up for the crime rate!,they set up round by me in a nice little villlage to catch drivers exiting the village!,just as people have slowed right down to the law required limits and exit the village on the last bend away from houses etc there is a sneaky van (not police though!) parked there to catch cars as they speed up away from the village onto open roads. definitly a money trap. "how is it a money trap if you only get fined for speeding if the limit is 60 and you get court doing 65 or 70 thats not a money trap thats called you boke the law now pay the fine | |||
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"Half the time they aren't speed vans they are after untaxed and uninsured drivers. They make out its speed so bastards without insurance dont turn round. I have NO problem with them nicking anyone who drives without insurance to cover anyone they may maim. " they should use a mobile crushing unit for uninshured cars or bikes and crush them infront of the driver then make him walk home and the fine should cover the cost of removing the scrap not part of it | |||
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"Gosh. There are many riders of very tall horses here aren't there, who must have never broken speed limit in their perfect lives." I speed a fair amount of the time. But when i get caught i don't whinge. I just forget the letter and end up in court. | |||
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"Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!! "Speeding motorists are 'real' criminals, because they are breaking the law. | |||
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"Gosh. There are many riders of very tall horses here aren't there, who must have never broken speed limit in their perfect lives." No....just people like my other half who has been caught speeding on several occasions....and paid his fines without whinging about how evil the police are. | |||
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"Gosh. There are many riders of very tall horses here aren't there, who must have never broken speed limit in their perfect lives. No....just people like my other half who has been caught speeding on several occasions....and paid his fines without whinging about how evil the police are. " I can't agree more. I sped. I got caught. I felt stupid. I paid my fine. I don't speed anymore. If you speed you are a criminal. I used to smoke a little pot. I think it should be legal, but it isn't. I was committing a criminal act. I got caught with some, it was taken from me and thrown away...... It's my bad, I broke the law. Man the fuck up dude! | |||
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"Speed kills .. there's a reason to control motorists' speed. If peeople kept to the speed limits themselves there would be no need for enforcement." Oh and don't get me started about mobile phones, eating, drinking, applying makeup, texting, talking on mobile, changing CD's fiddling with stuff while going along OMG are people actully THAT stupid????? I once had an e-mail of a guy who was talking on his mobile while driving on a motorway - he is no more and the pictures were horrifying. Everyone who sdoes this should be made to do a nursing shift in ITU and then to the morgue for the rest of the week! | |||
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"I speed according to the conditions. Pissing it down, crud on the road or poor visibility and I don't. Heavy traffic and I don't. Arsewipe on my tail and I don't. Clear dual carriageway or motorway and I do. Been caught twice in the last decade doing 80-90 on a motorway and have been polite to the officer who stopped me and paid my fine without complaining. I broke the law (admittedly safely), I got caught, I paid the price." That's exactly what I'm talking about. You took the risk, you got caught. I'm sure your driving isn't dangerous otherwise you'd get more than a ticket but you took it on the chin like an adult rather than complaining about it with lines like 'shouldn't you be catching real criminals' or 'they were sneaky and it's not fair'. Thank you for being so honest. xx | |||
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"Speed kills .. there's a reason to control motorists' speed. If peeople kept to the speed limits themselves there would be no need for enforcement. Oh and don't get me started about mobile phones, eating, drinking, applying makeup, texting, talking on mobile, changing CD's fiddling with stuff while going along OMG are people actully THAT stupid????? I once had an e-mail of a guy who was talking on his mobile while driving on a motorway - he is no more and the pictures were horrifying. Everyone who sdoes this should be made to do a nursing shift in ITU and then to the morgue for the rest of the week!" Just standing on the hard shoulder of a motorway when it's three lanes of fast moving traffic would make people think twice about not paying attention! Scary place to be.... | |||
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"i still think that they are a money maker in certain circumstances though,i have seen in the placing of them it is not always in dangerous places and is there sole purpose of fund raising!." If you go to your local highways office you can ask to see the evidence for why a camera was put in a certain places. They have to lookat accidents, fatalities, surrounding use of the roads etc Contrary to popular belief they can't just shove one up where they like | |||
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"i still think that they are a money maker in certain circumstances though,i have seen in the placing of them it is not always in dangerous places and is there sole purpose of fund raising!." And what information do you use to come to this conclusion | |||
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"And what information do you use to come to this conclusion " well the places they are positioned in gives it away for a start! | |||
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" The problem is they've been reduced because people in the past have over done it so we all have to pay the price with increased journey times etc. !" believe it or not but most speed limits are set in accordance with guideline set by the dept of Transport and are set at a the speed which the vast majority of drivers drive at - consequently only about 15% of the fastest drivers have to slow down | |||
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"And what information do you use to come to this conclusion well the places they are positioned in gives it away for a start! "suggest you look into it as someone has suggested above unless you keep your own personal record of all the accident and speed data in your county | |||
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"i still think that they are a money maker in certain circumstances though,i have seen in the placing of them it is not always in dangerous places and is there sole purpose of fund raising!." ok your driving down country road at a steady 70 miles an hour its only 10 over the limit so its ok not a problem you come across a sweeping right hand bend thats ok your good at speed you can handle it then all of a sudden you notice a women with her 2 little kids in the back of her car has had to stop because the guy infront of her who was also doing 70 had a blow out and span out of countrol but its to late your going so fast you slam into her car and whipe out her 2 kids and put her in hospital aswell as your self but its ok you were only doing 70 in a 60 limit | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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Firstly it sounds from the level of activity you describe more like an operation to catch uninsured drivers or other vehicles that flash up on the ANPR system.
Secondly, if you are caught speeding then you are a 'proper criminal'. In the same way that someone punching someone else in front of a policeman is a proper criminal. Just because your crime is easy to detect and punish doesn't make it any less criminal. If you don't like being caught then stop being naughty! And who do you think the fine money goes to? Do you think that the person who issues the ticket gets to take it home or something?
And the last two coppers who went to detect a proper crime got shot for their trouble so HOW ABOUT SHOWING SOME FUCKING RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE BOLLOCKS TO DEAL WITH UTTER CUNTS LIKE THAT EVERY FUCKING WORKING DAY.
Still, its down to peoples preference/choice. "Very well said... I totally agree!! | |||
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"I know how the OP feels, I was a bit short of cash a few months ago so I went out on the rob. Bloody sneaky plod only went and checked the CCTV and then bleeding nicked me! I ask you, it's not like I did anyone any harm, they should spend more time catching real criminals like kiddie fiddlers and that. " Excellent pastiche | |||
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"i still think that they are a money maker in certain circumstances though,i have seen in the placing of them it is not always in dangerous places and is there sole purpose of fund raising!. ok your driving down country road at a steady 70 miles an hour its only 10 over the limit so its ok not a problem you come across a sweeping right hand bend thats ok your good at speed you can handle it then all of a sudden you notice a women with her 2 little kids in the back of her car has had to stop because the guy infront of her who was also doing 70 had a blow out and span out of countrol but its to late your going so fast you slam into her car and whipe out her 2 kids and put her in hospital aswell as your self but its ok you were only doing 70 in a 60 limit " and if you're doing 70 on some of them darkest Devon roads u should get yourself back to the unit u have escaped from ................  | |||
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"i still think that they are a money maker in certain circumstances though,i have seen in the placing of them it is not always in dangerous places and is there sole purpose of fund raising!. ok your driving down country road at a steady 70 miles an hour its only 10 over the limit so its ok not a problem you come across a sweeping right hand bend thats ok your good at speed you can handle it then all of a sudden you notice a women with her 2 little kids in the back of her car has had to stop because the guy infront of her who was also doing 70 had a blow out and span out of countrol but its to late your going so fast you slam into her car and whipe out her 2 kids and put her in hospital aswell as your self but its ok you were only doing 70 in a 60 limit and if you're doing 70 on some of them darkest Devon roads u should get yourself back to the unit u have escaped from ................ " | |||
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suggest you look into it as someone has suggested above unless you keep your own personal record of all the accident and speed data in your county"there is a place i pass quite regulary on A456 at a quite country village called blakedown,its certainly not an accident blackspot and i've never seen cars speeding through the village at all,but a mobile unit sets up at the bottom of the hill as you exit the village on a bend just as you are about to get a run at the hill in less than 200yards,the unit is half hidden to catch you as you exit the village. i have seen it there as early as 7am on a sunday morning to catch the fishermen and daytrippers going out to the towns on the river severn for the day and lo & behold in the afternoon it is switched to the other end of the village to catch the daytrippers returning to the city!,half hidden again as you exit the village and pass the last of the houses on the road come round a bend & there it is on the left to catch the mtorists as they speed up from 20mph after coming through the village. | |||
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suggest you look into it as someone has suggested above unless you keep your own personal record of all the accident and speed data in your county
there is a place i pass quite regulary on A456 at a quite country village called blakedown,its certainly not an accident blackspot and i've never seen cars speeding through the village at all,but a mobile unit sets up at the bottom of the hill as you exit the village on a bend just as you are about to get a run at the hill in less than 200yards,the unit is half hidden to catch you as you exit the village.
i have seen it there as early as 7am on a sunday morning to catch the fishermen and daytrippers going out to the towns on the river severn for the day and lo & behold in the afternoon it is switched to the other end of the village to catch the daytrippers returning to the city!,half hidden again as you exit the village and pass the last of the houses on the road come round a bend & there it is on the left to catch the mtorists as they speed up from 20mph after coming through the village.
"mabe so but the limit is 20 miles an hour your not aloud to speed up to the next speed limit till you pass the post if you speed up before hand you are speeding there breaking the law and they wouldnt keep putting the cams there if people stuck to the speed limit as it would be a waste of there time | |||
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"I have just driven to a local town. I live in deepest darkest Devon, so it was along a country road. Along a 15 mile stretch of road, the police had 2 speed traps/camera vans and a couple of police cars in other positions. The road is a a typical small country road, so it seems like complete overkill. Every car coming the other way was flashing their headlights as a warning, so I doubt they caught anyone. Also, the police down here are bitching about cut backs and lack of funding and resources. It makes me wonder if they can stick have a dozen police in 4 vehicles down a small road, then they are not using their resource correctly. There must be some real crime to sort out, even in rural Devon!!! I was once told, by a copper, to be careful towards the end of a each quarter year, as they go out and nick as many motorists as it skews figures to their advantage about solved crimes. Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
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I used to be in a police force that has plenty of rural roads,and like lots of other parts of rural Britain there was plenty of hidden farm entrances,domestic driveways and small unmarked junctions. Also in some places as the small roads entered a village, the first building was a school. I think you may get the picture.
Often we got a call to go to an accident between either 2 or more vehicles or a pedestrian being knocked down and either killed or injured. Also farm animals were liable to be injured if they had strayed onto the road. Then there are the cases of wild animals being knocked down and seriously injured or killed.
When the approaches to the accidents were looked at, often it was found that the driver's vision was seriously impeded by features such as hedges, walls,trees or parked vehicles.
Such driving conditions demand that a vehicle is driven with due care and attention, which amongst other things is to stay within the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Speed limits are there for a purpose - that being road safety. Safety of pedestrians and all other road users.
Even on seemingly long straight stretches of road a speed limit will be imposed. Why? Because at the end of the straight stretch there may be any kind of bend in the road. Some of which must be approached with care so the the vehicle can be driven round it safely. Also the road may have a factory entrance/exit leading from it. All kinds of factors are taken into consideration when a speed limit is set.
From time to time a particular road will be 'blitzed' by the police to ensure the speed limits are being obeyed,and, should the limit be exceeded then the driver will pay the penalty. The penalty is there to try and deter the driver from future folly of exceeding the speed limit.
Having attended road traffic accidents where I've seen the results of people's speeding, I wholeheartedly agree with speed checks.
Try picking up a head that has been severed from it's body,picking up limbs that have been severed from the body, and seeing some other horrendous injuries and traumatic deaths as a result of speeding related accidents. It's not pretty nor is it easy to deal with those things, especially if the victim is a child.
Next time you are tempted to put your foot down and 'go for it', try thinking about the possible consequences of your actions. "I actually agree with you 100% | |||
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"I Personally, I think every copper with speed gun is a complete and utter bastard! Go catch some real criminals and stop filling the coffers!!!
Rant over and breath!"Tell that to the parents of those killed due to excessive speed. I had a huge shock a couple of years ago. Already had three points on my licence and was silly enough to get another six so was driving for a year on nine points. Looking back at it though, it taught me a lesson and it was better driving 50k a year on 9 points than learning the really hard way and killing someone. Yes, there are occasions where people just slip over the limit and most coppers will allow for that but there does have to be a point where they have to prosecute or offer a fixed penalty. Steve | |||
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"As much as the 'scam-ara' vans piss me off, speeding is a real crime. If you've ever done the speed awareness course, you will now how 33 mph can kill a pedestrian whereas 30 may just give you sufficient time to stop before knocking him/her over. Yes I break the speed limit every day and am guilty of breaking the law in much the same way as every other driver does/has done at some point, but to those who think speeding isn't a 'real crime' - it is !" I agree with you as well... we have probably all done it at some point - but it does not make it right. And the speed awareness course is a great way of recognising that speeding is simply not "ok". | |||
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"As much as the 'scam-ara' vans piss me off, speeding is a real crime. If you've ever done the speed awareness course, you will now how 33 mph can kill a pedestrian whereas 30 may just give you sufficient time to stop before knocking him/her over. Yes I break the speed limit every day and am guilty of breaking the law in much the same way as every other driver does/has done at some point, but to those who think speeding isn't a 'real crime' - it is !" I agree. | |||
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" there is a place i pass quite regulary on A456 at a quite country village called blakedown,its certainly not an accident blackspot and i've never seen cars speeding through the village at all,but a mobile unit sets up at the bottom of the hill as you exit the village on a bend just as you are about to get a run at the hill in less than 200yards,the unit is half hidden to catch you as you exit the village. i have seen it there as early as 7am on a sunday morning to catch the fishermen and daytrippers going out to the towns on the river severn for the day and lo & behold in the afternoon it is switched to the other end of the village to catch the daytrippers returning to the city!,half hidden again as you exit the village and pass the last of the houses on the road come round a bend & there it is on the left to catch the mtorists as they speed up from 20mph after coming through the village. mabe so but the limit is 20 miles an hour your not aloud to speed up to the next speed limit till you pass the post if you speed up before hand you are speeding there breaking the law and they wouldnt keep putting the cams there if people stuck to the speed limit as it would be a waste of there time" exaclty!,just like i said,it's a money making scam!,they make money out of people for that 100 yards before they are in the clear to go above the 20 mph!. | |||
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" there is a place i pass quite regulary on A456 at a quite country village called blakedown,its certainly not an accident blackspot and i've never seen cars speeding through the village at all,but a mobile unit sets up at the bottom of the hill as you exit the village on a bend just as you are about to get a run at the hill in less than 200yards,the unit is half hidden to catch you as you exit the village. i have seen it there as early as 7am on a sunday morning to catch the fishermen and daytrippers going out to the towns on the river severn for the day and lo & behold in the afternoon it is switched to the other end of the village to catch the daytrippers returning to the city!,half hidden again as you exit the village and pass the last of the houses on the road come round a bend & there it is on the left to catch the mtorists as they speed up from 20mph after coming through the village. mabe so but the limit is 20 miles an hour your not aloud to speed up to the next speed limit till you pass the post if you speed up before hand you are speeding there breaking the law and they wouldnt keep putting the cams there if people stuck to the speed limit as it would be a waste of there time exaclty!,just like i said,it's a money making scam!,they make money out of people for that 100 yards before they are in the clear to go above the 20 mph!. "It's not a money making scam, its the law. Of course they are going to sit there if that's where most people are breaking the law. If they didn't and your child or anyone gets knocked over by a speeding car I bet your reaction would be very different, asking why more isn't done to stop speeding!! I really don't understand why people don't see speed limits as a law that needs to be policedthe same as burglary, murder etc | |||
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"Speed kills .. there's a reason to control motorists' speed. If peeople kept to the speed limits themselves there would be no need for enforcement." Speed doesn't kill .... bad driving kills. Any one that speeds on country roads or in built up area's or when the conditions are bad are bad drivers. Like wise a driver driving at 20 through a village can kill a pedestrian while on their phone. Thats also bad driving. | |||
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"Speed kills .. there's a reason to control motorists' speed. If peeople kept to the speed limits themselves there would be no need for enforcement. Speed doesn't kill .... bad driving kills. Any one that speeds on country roads or in built up area's or when the conditions are bad are bad drivers. Like wise a driver driving at 20 through a village can kill a pedestrian while on their phone. Thats also bad driving. " But someone hit at 20mph is statistically more likely to survive so really, speed does kill | |||
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"Why is it car drivers seem to think its ok if they only break the law a little bit?? The speed limit isn't "oh about 40ish unless you are in a hurry". Would a violent person be allowed off an assault charge if they "only hit the victim a few times"? Speed cameras will only raise money if people are committing a crime." Let's not forget motorcyclists, van drivers, hgv drivers etc We can probably forget tractor drivers though | |||
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" exalty!,just like i said,it's a money making scam!,they make money out of people for that 100 yards before they are in the clear to go above the 20 mph!.
It's not a money making scam, its the law. Of course they are going to sit there if that's where most people are breaking the law. If they didn't and your child or anyone gets knocked over by a speeding car I bet your reaction would be very different, asking why more isn't done to stop speeding!!
I really don't understand why people don't see speed limits as a law that needs to be policedthe same as burglary, murder etc "actually those two positions that the mobile unit parks in to catch the speeding motorists is probablt THE safest spot onthe A456 for miles!,if it was an an accident prevention it would be parked 800 yards nearer to kidderminster where accidents happen near the farm shop on dual carriageway(now reduced to one track but still very dangerous!)or 400 yards out of the village towards hagley as i see no end of irate motorists who just bomb past me going uphill towards hagley or downhill coming into blakedown on that stretch!. i know speed kills!,but these units are placed for money making purposes not accident prevention!,if for accident prevention they would be visible on the dangerous sections of the road as deterents not half hidden as money traps!. | |||
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"Speeding is irresponsible and can lead to both the driver and others being seriously hurt or killed. That is why it is illegal. Personally I think drivers who speed should be banned for life. There are too many cars on the road in the first place and we don't need irresponsible, dangerous ones among them. " While I dont believe that speed in itself is the killer, it is the stnadard of driving that does... I agree with you on a initially time limited but eventually life long ban if somebody is caught speeding repeatedly - it really irritates me that speeding is not being taken seriously by some people. I think many of those who think it is ok to speed should perhaps talk to somebody who has lost a close friend or member of their family through irresponsible driving. But then I also believe in zero tolerance on drink when driving. I am not usually black and white in my thinking but these two areas I feel should not be seen as permitting "grey" areas. | |||
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"Why is it car drivers seem to think its ok if they only break the law a little bit?? The speed limit isn't "oh about 40ish unless you are in a hurry". Would a violent person be allowed off an assault charge if they "only hit the victim a few times"? Speed cameras will only raise money if people are committing a crime. "i wish they would use cams of the quality of the speeding cams in city centres to deter crime!,as we hear far too often that the quality is not good enough to be used as evidence in court but the quality in detecting speeding cars and registration number,drivers face etc are admissable to prpsecute. | |||
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"Why is it car drivers seem to think its ok if they only break the law a little bit?? The speed limit isn't "oh about 40ish unless you are in a hurry". Would a violent person be allowed off an assault charge if they "only hit the victim a few times"? Speed cameras will only raise money if people are committing a crime.
i wish they would use cams of the quality of the speeding cams in city centres to deter crime!,as we hear far too often that the quality is not good enough to be used as evidence in court but the quality in detecting speeding cars and registration number,drivers face etc are admissable to prpsecute."I think you will find most town center cctv is now of a very high quality,its just difficult to prove who the offender actually is whereas when they have your reg and pic its difficult to deny | |||
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"They should replace "speed guns" with real guns then just shoot the speeder as they approach ...that would cut down on the boy (girl) racers then they could sell on the cars left behind they'd make more money and the roads would be safer ...its a win win
I completely concur.
At the same time can they shoot doddery old gits driving at 20 MPH and creating a tailback as long as the Great Wall of China.
Also, people towing caravans! "They could save even more money doing the first bunch in a bobby on a bike could pedal past and do a 'drive by' shooting | |||
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