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Should all police officers.be armed?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just watching the news about the two female police officers shot dead in.manchester today. Im not saying it would have made any difference in this case but.wondered what peoples _iews are as to whether all our police should be armed as they are in some other countries?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I don't believe arming all of our officers would help. Today was a shocking tragedy but guns just beget more guns.

My thoughts go to their families and colleagues.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I believe it should be their choice to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not without a radical shakeup of police regulations.

My brother is a police officer and he doesn't want to carry a firearm under their current policy.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london

The police themselves have stated again and again that they do not want to be armed 47,000 police officers were polled in 2006 and 82% said no.The reason being that the police are well aware that arming all officers will result in more criminals arming themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police themselves have stated again and again that they do not want to be armed 47,000 police officers were polled in 2006 and 82% said no.The reason being that the police are well aware that arming all officers will result in more criminals arming themselves."

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"The police themselves have stated again and again that they do not want to be armed 47,000 police officers were polled in 2006 and 82% said no.The reason being that the police are well aware that arming all officers will result in more criminals arming themselves."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely NO.

The 2 police women should never of been sent to investigate any way.

It was reported that shots had been heard where was armed response?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tazer yes, firearm no. There's not really enough firearm related incidents to warrant blanket arming of police. At present they even deploy to knife crime calls but they could be dealt with just as easily with tazer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most forces vests are both. Up to a small calibre pistol. Thats all most vests are good for anyway.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

No they shouldnt be armed.

The vests they get are a combination of 'stab proof' and 'bullet proof'. basically a combination / compromise of the two.

They resist edged weapons and light calibre bullets.

The rational is that most officers are more likely to face edged weapons than guns.

Fire arms teams are issued with proper 'balistic vests' which are more bullet proof and less knife proof as they dont get close enough to anyone to get 'stabbed'.

However good a vest is it wont protect the bits they dont cover..

My thoughts are with the families and the collegues of the two ladies / girls.

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

Yes they should be in this day n age or at very least 50% should be armed

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Yes they should be in this day n age or at very least 50% should be armed "

Which 50%? Will 50% lead to 100% of criminals arming? Countries that have armed police don't experience less gun fire or less crime. Their police tend to die of gun shot wounds rather more than ours too.

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By *ssensualMan
over a year ago

Hayes Town

Nope. We'd see the emergence of tragic mistakes, which would undermine the Force even further.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests."

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe the police should all be armed. To be an armed officer in the UK you have to go through a rigorous selection, which means only the right people are armed. Although I would like to see officers who discharge a weapon no longer treated as criminals, as what appears to happen now.

My thoughts are with the family, friends & collegues of the two officers who lost their lives whilst on duty protecting us.

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

I dont really get the whole "if we arm cops all the scum will get guns too."......where are they goin to get them from ,if they dont already have them its unlikely they will ...well not in the scale people say.....since when do let the criminals decide how we police the country...oh thats right we already do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No . looking at america and other countries i dont think it would solve anything . It is tragic what has happened but we do have specialists armed units if needed and i think in this country we got the balance just about right .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I dont really get the whole "if we arm cops all the scum will get guns too."......where are they goin to get them from ,if they dont already have them its unlikely they will ...well not in the scale people say.....since when do let the criminals decide how we police the country...oh thats right we already do "

The evidence from those places that have armed police is where the theory that the 'scum' will arm themselves better. Public money will never buy what criminal money can.

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

Because of all the money spent on these scum ,protecting their human rights.....the same rights they have deprived their victims of

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I dont think the argument is that 'every' criminal will buy a gun.

But the ones that can get one, and they are easier to get than most people think will start doing so.

Where does it end, you arm every cop with a 9mm Glock and try to train them all.

There will then be a shooting where some new cop bottles it and shoots the wrong person (rather then now where the worst is a face full of CS or a shock from a Tazer).

Most cops dont want guns....

If you asked any day, even today you would get the same answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes they should all be armed imo x

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"I dont really get the whole "if we arm cops all the scum will get guns too."......where are they goin to get them from ,if they dont already have them its unlikely they will ...well not in the scale people say.....since when do let the criminals decide how we police the country...oh thats right we already do "

This comes from the police themselves,they are the experts so listen to what they say.And as for where will the criminals get the guns from?Well obviously the same place they get them now,except on a bigger scale.Criminals do not walk the streets carrying guns on a regular basis but once the police do,the crooks will,obviously not every criminal,but the police are focusing on the heavy-duty criminals that will do so, as a direct result.Its a fact that armed robbers used to carry coshes and bars but once the police used guns to stop them,the robbers also used guns from then onwards,criminals try to stay a step ahead of the police,not a step behind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it helps as a police person if you have arms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face"
..can we get one thing right here? there is no such thing as a bulletproof vest,never has been and they never will be,a 7.62 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest,a .50 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest and straight out of the back leaving one big hole.

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

Its time this country was given back to the decent law abiding people who at the moment live in fear of these scumbags....the government have allowed this to happen because they refuse to stand up for the people instead they pander to the criminals by not taking the hard line

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face..can we get one thing right here? there is no such thing as a bulletproof vest,never has been and they never will be,a 7.62 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest,a .50 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest and straight out of the back leaving one big hole. "

Yes you are correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face..can we get one thing right here? there is no such thing as a bulletproof vest,never has been and they never will be,a 7.62 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest,a .50 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest and straight out of the back leaving one big hole.

Yes you are correct "
thank you,im not after upsetting anyone but it is a fact xx

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

I'm not saying just go out and arm every officer now....there has to be a fazed in period over the next 10-15 yrs until every new officer is fully trained as part of their training

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face..can we get one thing right here? there is no such thing as a bulletproof vest,never has been and they never will be,a 7.62 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest,a .50 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest and straight out of the back leaving one big hole. "

It should also be noted that, although handguns are illegal to own privately, ownership of rifles up to and including a .50cal is perfectly legal under UK law providing you have a firearms license. I currently own a .338 lapua magnum which has an accurate, deadly range of over a mile. No current body armour will stop it and at that range the police are unlikely to find you quickly. Also, the police don't currently deploy anything as powerful, so they're already outgunned.

DISCLAIMER: I have a firearms license and my gun is 100% legal. (just incase)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its a question that is continually raised when a police officer is shot. This awful tragedy may not have bn averted neccessarily if the police had guns, also it risks escalating what the criminals decide to start carrying. If we look at statistics of gun crime reductions in countries where police carry guns it does point to an escalation in the amount of criminals also carrying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face..can we get one thing right here? there is no such thing as a bulletproof vest,never has been and they never will be,a 7.62 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest,a .50 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest and straight out of the back leaving one big hole.

It should also be noted that, although handguns are illegal to own privately, ownership of rifles up to and including a .50cal is perfectly legal under UK law providing you have a firearms license. I currently own a .338 lapua magnum which has an accurate, deadly range of over a mile. No current body armour will stop it and at that range the police are unlikely to find you quickly. Also, the police don't currently deploy anything as powerful, so they're already outgunned.

DISCLAIMER: I have a firearms license and my gun is 100% legal. (just incase)"
at last someone who knows what he is talking about,well put mate,and what a rifle you have there.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

A .50 cal will go through a brick wall, not the easiest things to carry on a robbery or under your coat though.

A general issue police vest will stop a knife a .22 or a .38 better to have one on that not i think

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

We seriously need a radical rethinking of our policing and prisons.....lets face it.prison isnt really a deterent anymore ..waited on hand n foot ,sky telly etc maybe the.thot that u could be shot and killed might just put some people off committing the crime in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really get the whole "if we arm cops all the scum will get guns too."......where are they goin to get them from ,if they dont already have them its unlikely they will ...well not in the scale people say.....since when do let the criminals decide how we police the country...oh thats right we already do "

Criminals get better treatment than their victims. Go figure.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"Its time this country was given back to the decent law abiding people who at the moment live in fear of these scumbags....the government have allowed this to happen because they refuse to stand up for the people instead they pander to the criminals by not taking the hard line"

And what do you suggest they should do? What is the hard line they should take? You come from glasgow correct?The place of criminal legends like Arthur Thompson,Tam McGraw and the legendary Paul ferris,all hardened,ruthless criminals,so how would you deal with these types of people?Kill them all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A .50 cal will go through a brick wall, not the easiest things to carry on a robbery or under your coat though.

A general issue police vest will stop a knife a .22 or a .38 better to have one on that not i think"

Excellent point, most .50's are nearly 7ft long and weigh 40lbs...lol

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"A .50 cal will go through a brick wall, not the easiest things to carry on a robbery or under your coat though.

A general issue police vest will stop a knife a .22 or a .38 better to have one on that not i think

Excellent point, most .50's are nearly 7ft long and weigh 40lbs...lol"

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast


"Its time this country was given back to the decent law abiding people who at the moment live in fear of these scumbags....the government have allowed this to happen because they refuse to stand up for the people instead they pander to the criminals by not taking the hard line

And what do you suggest they should do? What is the hard line they should take? You come from glasgow correct?The place of criminal legends like Arthur Thompson,Tam McGraw and the legendary Paul ferris,all hardened,ruthless criminals,so how would you deal with these types of people?Kill them all? "

I dont think i'd call them legends ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . ."

They responded to a routine call to a report of a burglary and once the door was opened they were shot at point blank range and had a grenade thrown at them. I doubt having.a cock would have helped

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

They responded to a routine call to a report of a burglary and once the door was opened they were shot at point blank range and had a grenade thrown at them. I doubt having.a cock would have helped "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . ."

Utter horseshit. Worked with many and they are equally as capable as their male counterparts. Seen one make a huge guy cry.

It was unfortunate that 2 female pc's were sent to the job. But the outcome would have been the same whoever went.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

Utter horseshit. Worked with many and they are equally as capable as their male counterparts. Seen one make a huge guy cry.

It was unfortunate that 2 female pc's were sent to the job. But the outcome would have been the same whoever went. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

Utter horseshit. Worked with many and they are equally as capable as their male counterparts. Seen one make a huge guy cry.

It was unfortunate that 2 female pc's were sent to the job. But the outcome would have been the same whoever went. "

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . ."

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

They responded to a routine call to a report of a burglary and once the door was opened they were shot at point blank range and had a grenade thrown at them. I doubt having.a cock would have helped "

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"Its time this country was given back to the decent law abiding people who at the moment live in fear of these scumbags....the government have allowed this to happen because they refuse to stand up for the people instead they pander to the criminals by not taking the hard line

And what do you suggest they should do? What is the hard line they should take? You come from glasgow correct?The place of criminal legends like Arthur Thompson,Tam McGraw and the legendary Paul ferris,all hardened,ruthless criminals,so how would you deal with these types of people?Kill them all?

I dont think i'd call them legends ...

"

I called them 'criminal legends' there's a massive difference, but you didn't answer the question all the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The world has changed this isn't the 70's where coppers were respected more, arming them gives them a chance against the lunatic with a gun who's intent on causing harm .

You wouldn't send a soldier out without the means to protect himself , yet we do this with our police force.

A stab vest won't stop a bullet neither will kind words .

RIP ladies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No . looking at america and other countries i dont think it would solve anything ."

Hang on - comparing this country to one where the right to own firearms is written into the constitution is like comparing the Ebola virus with an ingrown toenail! Other countries, where the police are armed have different crime rates, but how do you compare them with our crime rates? You have no statistics showing the percentage of crimes committed BEFORE they stated carrying firearms, so that comparison is pretty useless; consider the report out a few days ago that states that Sweden is the most likely place in Europe to get raped - statistically speaking - but I bet you'd feel pretty safe going out for a few drinks there without worrying about something like that happening to you... IMHO I think the police should be armed, I've lived and worked in countries where they are always armed, and you'd be surprised at the respect a police officer gets from a d*unken scumbag who's had too much to drink - they certainly get very little grief and people tend to defer to them out of respect (or perhaps it's a fear of getting shot)


"It is tragic what has happened .."
Completely agree!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether those two police officers were wearing bullet proof vests or not it seems that their killer was determined to kill them. If he couldn't kill them with body shots he would have aimed for the head - and he used a grenade to make sure he killed them. The police can't predict that level of ferocity against their officers and arming them wouldn't have saved them as they would have been taught to use deadly force as a last resort, and by then they would have been dead.

I don't think our police officers should be armed, and yet I don't believe in capital punishment either. It is a tragic day for the families of those women and a sad day for the police force in general. I hope their killer rots in jail for the rest of his natural life.

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast


"Its time this country was given back to the decent law abiding people who at the moment live in fear of these scumbags....the government have allowed this to happen because they refuse to stand up for the people instead they pander to the criminals by not taking the hard line

And what do you suggest they should do? What is the hard line they should take? You come from glasgow correct?The place of criminal legends like Arthur Thompson,Tam McGraw and the legendary Paul ferris,all hardened,ruthless criminals,so how would you deal with these types of people?Kill them all?

I dont think i'd call them legends ...

I called them 'criminal legends' there's a massive difference, but you didn't answer the question all the same"

The LEGENDARY paul ferris ?.....at no point did I say kill the criminals I said take a harder line with them if they break the law make their sentence fit their crime not pander to them making it a walk in the park with sky tv etc and give the police the proper tools to do their job.....a can of cs against a gun no contest is there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

They responded to a routine call to a report of a burglary and once the door was opened they were shot at point blank range and had a grenade thrown at them. I doubt having.a cock would have helped "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

understand why people would think constant armed police would be a help...todays tragic events, yes are tragic...but there is no need to kneejerk.I dunno anything about statistics..but I'm led to believe more civilians are killed by guns in the UK than police are..we definitely wouldnt arm everyone would we?

More police with guns?--then u'd get more criminals with guns....simple fact.

sorry, but..despite todays horrible events, I'd still worry about the hundreds more cases of misuse of firearms by authorities.

non-lethal force for everyday situations is enough for my liking.

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By *uyuksno1Man
over a year ago

poole

no no no i dont want the police to be armed in this country i dont want us to become another fire first ask later country i my brother in law is a policeman in greater manchester and he doesnt want to armed he is very proud of the armed response unit and he feels normal policing doesnt require a gun and hes been stabbed twice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to admit i didnt hear of shots being heard before the officers were sent to the "routine call"

My daughter is a Police officer and she was often sent to jobs with another female officer, that is just how it is. She never argued, it's her job. She has no wish to carry a firearm either, her stab vest is more of a hinderence as it is extremely heavy and bulky. She loves her job and i am very proud of her.

My heart goes out to the families of these two young officers who died doing their job, so sad and unfair.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I have the upmost sympathy for the 2 officers and their families who were killed today, but I don't think arming all police personnel is the answer...

go back to last summer.... what was the spark for the riots in tottenham last summer...

it was policeman shooting an innocent person dead....

I think that those who shoot policemen and women should be prosectuted to the fullest extent of the law......

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By *uggers nemesisCouple
over a year ago

london


"I have the upmost sympathy for the 2 officers and their families who were killed today, but I don't think arming all police personnel is the answer...

go back to last summer.... what was the spark for the riots in tottenham last summer...

it was policeman shooting an innocent person dead....

I think that those who shoot policemen and women should be prosectuted to the fullest extent of the law......"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watching the news about the two female police officers shot dead in.manchester today. Im not saying it would have made any difference in this case but.wondered what peoples _iews are as to whether all our police should be armed as they are in some other countries?"

This is one subject I have never been able to make my mind up on.

Sometimes I think yes and sometimes no, I'm just glad it's not up to me

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

They responded to a routine call to a report of a burglary and once the door was opened they were shot at point blank range and had a grenade thrown at them. I doubt having.a cock would have helped "

Thanks for your pathetic remark.This is off subject.

I have NOW seen the news, and it is of course shocking.

The incident to which I referred wa

s

Nothing to do with having a cock, one wpc was a 5ft little girl, the other equally slight and looked like a pensioner.

Not much of a threat to two large, young fit lads.

'Come on, what ya gonna do' one lad said.

The coppers walked away, and the lads laughed at them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not seen that news yet, but I have always had my doubts about the usefulness of WPC's in many situations.

Saw a couple the other night, fronting a couple of lads, and they were just taking the Piss . .

They responded to a routine call to a report of a burglary and once the door was opened they were shot at point blank range and had a grenade thrown at them. I doubt having.a cock would have helped

Thanks for your pathetic remark.This is off subject.

I have NOW seen the news, and it is of course shocking.

The incident to which I referred wa

s

Nothing to do with having a cock, one wpc was a 5ft little girl, the other equally slight and looked like a pensioner.

Not much of a threat to two large, young fit lads.

'Come on, what ya gonna do' one lad said.

The coppers walked away, and the lads laughed at them"

it is off subject...and I'm afraid sounding rather sexist/ageist to me regarding the wpc's height/frame/age.

I can assure u having done alot of control and restraint via work in the past, I have met many women of small heighht build(actually like myself lol)-tackle bigger guys, also known a few kickboxing women..and lastly...the young women in disturbed mental health states..who can on occasions overpower a few big built male staff.

I'd only ever question the wpc's possible lack of showing authority..or if they could be arsed with actually arresting the young lads...paperwork issues thats commonly known as.Some people just have better de-escalation skills than others or simply understand the lack of needing to lock up cheeky people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watching the news about the two female police officers shot dead in.manchester today. Im not saying it would have made any difference in this case but.wondered what peoples _iews are as to whether all our police should be armed as they are in some other countries?

This is one subject I have never been able to make my mind up on.

Sometimes I think yes and sometimes no, I'm just glad it's not up to me "

First off, it is up to you. We have policing by consent in this country and police officers are as much a part of society as everyone else.....

Re WPCs being no good, bollox, take your sexism somewhere else, next you will say that all blacks are crooks so shouldnt be cops, all muslims are terrorists etc etc.

To the point.....I am not a big fan off the police for the most part, they lie and cheat to cover their backs (see hilsborough) they are brutal (see Ian Tomlinson) and are bullies (see the speeding ticket thread in this forum). Nothing, therefore, makes me want to but firearms into the hands of people like this.

Manchester has a particular problem with gun crime. Its greater than Liverpools and as ban in volume as Londons. Giving coppers firearms wont get guns off the streets. It was tried in Liecester a number of years ago and it was different styles of policing not armed beat

bobbies which got gun crime down.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

In my _iew, I dont think every police officer should be armed. They are only human at the end of the day, and there may be one or two who have an off day and have tchy fingers.

I remember in Liverpool when the first serious gang war broke out with guns (in the 90's) and it seriously scared the hell out of me seeing police walking round town with massive guns.

I have worked with offcers n the fire arms unit and have a very good friend who is a firearm officer n Northern Ireland, and the ones I have spoken to recently (inc the guy in belfast) have hardly needed a fire arm. Yes there may have been one or two occasions as a warning but these people are well trained and far from trigger happy.

Yes, there needs to be less red tape for the police in some areas, but there also needs to be someone or something who polices the police properly, if it did come to all offcers being armed. And I do not think every offcer being armed in the country would help, I personally feel it would make matters worse includng the sale of firearms on the black market go through the roof.

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over a year ago

I think a good idea as a stop-gap would be to have some sort of strongbox in the boots of patrol cars that have weapons in them. The box would have to be secure and need a special code to open it - maybe sent electronically via mobile signal - and only after a situation has been identified as potentially life threatening.

I don't if those WPCs could have been saved had they had firearms nearby that they could deploy but it's a system worth consideration and would mean that 99.9% of the time our police officers wouldn't be armed but they'd be able to arm themselves quickly if neccessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we`ve got armed squads if needed. dont think arming them all will help

even if those 2 female officers were armed the way they appear to have been ambushed, chances are it wouldve been curtains anyway.

police need to be tougher tho no doubt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your point is a bit like northern ireland in the 70s and 80s wishy soldiers with rifles and empty mags as the amo was in the support landrover by the time you have loaded up you have already lost comrads but if you arm the police the criminals will arm them selfs and as was said on the news this morning to many inersent people will get hurt or killed if you arm the police

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER


"Just watching the news about the two female police officers shot dead in.manchester today. Im not saying it would have made any difference in this case but.wondered what peoples _iews are as to whether all our police should be armed as they are in some other countries?

This is one subject I have never been able to make my mind up on.

Sometimes I think yes and sometimes no, I'm just glad it's not up to me

First off, it is up to you. We have policing by consent in this country and police officers are as much a part of society as everyone else.....

Read, then comprehend. Nothing to do with racism, religion or meercatism.

It's about effective use of resources.

I told one of the lads to just go home, when I saw him out a week later, he told me that a few minutes later there were cars vans and half a dozen coppers on the scene.

Hardly cost effective.

Turns out it was all about a bit of name calling between the lads and some girls.

Re the rest of your comments, exactly how many out of thousands of coppers are bent,lie and bully ?

As many as in your profession ?

Re WPCs being no good, bollox, take your sexism somewhere else, next you will say that all blacks are crooks so shouldnt be cops, all muslims are terrorists etc etc.

To the point.....I am not a big fan off the police for the most part, they lie and cheat to cover their backs (see hilsborough) they are brutal (see Ian Tomlinson) and are bullies (see the speeding ticket thread in this forum). Nothing, therefore, makes me want to but firearms into the hands of people like this.

Manchester has a particular problem with gun crime. Its greater than Liverpools and as ban in volume as Londons. Giving coppers firearms wont get guns off the streets. It was tried in Liecester a number of years ago and it was different styles of policing not armed beat

bobbies which got gun crime down."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely the question wether to carry guns or not should be down to peoples preference/choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree that police officers should'nt carry guns but carry tazer's but why don't they issue bulletproof vest's instead of stab proof vests.

A stab proof vest is also bullet proof,but neither do you any good if your shot in the face..can we get one thing right here? there is no such thing as a bulletproof vest,never has been and they never will be,a 7.62 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest,a .50 round will go straight through a so called bulletproof vest and straight out of the back leaving one big hole.

It should also be noted that, although handguns are illegal to own privately, ownership of rifles up to and including a .50cal is perfectly legal under UK law providing you have a firearms license. I currently own a .338 lapua magnum which has an accurate, deadly range of over a mile. No current body armour will stop it and at that range the police are unlikely to find you quickly. Also, the police don't currently deploy anything as powerful, so they're already outgunned.

DISCLAIMER: I have a firearms license and my gun is 100% legal. (just incase) at last someone who knows what he is talking about,well put mate,and what a rifle you have there. "

the way its put you would think so but what he didnt say is the .338 lapua magnum is the round not the riffle and longest confirmed kill is 2,475 meters at .338 it does not have enough kentic energy to hit and kill its target at one mile so he is talking bull and i spent 9 years in our british armed forces 4 of thouse years as a traind sniper

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast


"I think a good idea as a stop-gap would be to have some sort of strongbox in the boots of patrol cars that have weapons in them. The box would have to be secure and need a special code to open it - maybe sent electronically via mobile signal - and only after a situation has been identified as potentially life threatening.

I don't if those WPCs could have been saved had they had firearms nearby that they could deploy but it's a system worth consideration and would mean that 99.9% of the time our police officers wouldn't be armed but they'd be able to arm themselves quickly if neccessary."

A possible solution (and a good one at that) to the ever growing debate i'd certainly welcome something along that line ,policing in this fine land of ours needs serious reconstruction as alot of it just isnt working ,also add in judicial reform and we may get a safer country we can be proud of at the moment criminals whether petty or hardened are winning this war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think a good idea as a stop-gap would be to have some sort of strongbox in the boots of patrol cars that have weapons in them. The box would have to be secure and need a special code to open it - maybe sent electronically via mobile signal - and only after a situation has been identified as potentially life threatening.

I don't if those WPCs could have been saved had they had firearms nearby that they could deploy but it's a system worth consideration and would mean that 99.9% of the time our police officers wouldn't be armed but they'd be able to arm themselves quickly if neccessary.

A possible solution (and a good one at that) to the ever growing debate i'd certainly welcome something along that line ,policing in this fine land of ours needs serious reconstruction as alot of it just isnt working ,also add in judicial reform and we may get a safer country we can be proud of at the moment criminals whether petty or hardened are winning this war "

one way would be to get rid of some of the red tape and got back to a system were the police spend 2 years training then get posted to an area away from ware they were born instead of the system now were they have 6 weeks basic training then have to police the streets were they grew up its wrong on many leavels and its hight time the police were traind to do the job they are payed for

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast


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one way would be to get rid of some of the red tape and got back to a system were the police spend 2 years training then get posted to an area away from ware they were born instead of the system now were they have 6 weeks basic training then have to police the streets were they grew up its wrong on many leavels and its hight time the police were traind to do the job they are payed for "

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