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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Had a bloke messaging a few times, seemed ok, got to talking re preferences and what we are into.

We said mmf, the guy was but I am straight.

He said I like MFM, not mmf...

We replied, hmm yes they are the same!

However looking on the net, it appears it can be considered mmf to be a bi threesome

Would you consider them the same or is it lingo we are not aware of?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I hear MMF is a bi version

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

errrrr, its the same isnt it??? 2 guys and a girl, whether they all enjoy each other or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive heard it a few times that MMF is bi men and by putting the female in the middle ie MFM thats straight guys

thought it all sounds daft to me i do think thats the new in thing lol

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

We changed the way we asked for MFM because we kept getting asked for MMF from bi men who thought thats what we were asking for.

So it seemed, MFM is straight, MMF is bi.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I hear MMF is a bi version "

That is funny, all the time we have been saying to blokes we like mmf and they haven't batted an eyelid! And yes I am talking about "straight" men haha

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

and the mfm version they place a chair between them so no touching

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I am glad I came on the forums this evening as I genuinely did not know that!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We changed the way we asked for MFM because we kept getting asked for MMF from bi men who thought thats what we were asking for.

So it seemed, MFM is straight, MMF is bi."

I saw your sneaky guess

But yes I think we need to have a codebook for swinging terms to cover all options

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"and the mfm version they place a chair between them so no touching"

God been doing that wrong all this time!

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By *its The Spot AlotMan
over a year ago

Plymouth

Must remember to get my M's and F's in the right place then lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"errrrr, its the same isnt it??? 2 guys and a girl, whether they all enjoy each other or not. "

Well we thought so lol

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"However looking on the net, it appears it can be considered mmf to be a bi threesome "

To me, MMF means 2 guys can play together

MFM means no cock contact

Well, that's jow I _iew it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So what on earth if there is more than one guy?

MFM..M..M.......M

Just to keep them apart haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so does that mean you cant have a straight FMMM? cause no matter where you out the F theres till two M's touching each other up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what on earth if there is more than one guy?

MFM..M..M.......M

Just to keep them apart haha"

great minds and all that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am glad I came on the forums this evening as I genuinely did not know that! "

I'd never heard of it either!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"So what on earth if there is more than one guy?

"

more fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always assumed it was the same thing 2 males plus 1 female how you arrange them is up to the people concerned.You could have a mmf where 1 male will watch most of the time and the other will do most of the work but that could still be considered a mmf.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"so does that mean you cant have a straight FMMM? cause no matter where you out the F theres till two M's touching each other up "

Great minds think alike

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

should be

WFM

one on the bottom, the other on the top

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mmf mfm cant see the diferance just a statemene of gender

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The bloke in question never messaged us back, despite us saying erm no, they are the same!

We must have scared him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we like mmf not mfm, however we also like mf--------------m !

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"so does that mean you cant have a straight FMMM? cause no matter where you out the F theres till two M's touching each other up "

lol..there will always be an odd accidental touch....and I am guessing more so when 6 are are there making the woman happy

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By *ursevampsWoman
over a year ago

bucks

i dont care if it mmf mfm as long as i having lots of cock preferably one sucking one fucking it all good for me lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So what on earth if there is more than one guy?

MFM..M..M.......M

Just to keep them apart haha

great minds and all that "

Lol you beat me

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"so does that mean you cant have a straight FMMM? cause no matter where you out the F theres till two M's touching each other up

lol..there will always be an odd accidental touch....and I am guessing more so when 6 are are there making the woman happy "

Yes exactly makes me laugh because some guys get freaked out, do remember once where M's balls came too close to another guys face and he freaked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about W T F ?

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By *ubytuesdaysTV/TS
over a year ago

birmingham

It always amuses me that a guy that wants to have sex in a room that has other males in it can still be in denial and laughably claim to be "straight". Except of course when the other male is wearing ladies clothes which makes it all ok. So take a spare pair of knickers. and then of course whatever happens isnt at all gay. Or two and then everyone can shag anyone without any problem and of course remain straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had a bloke messaging a few times, seemed ok, got to talking re preferences and what we are into.

We said mmf, the guy was but I am straight.

He said I like MFM, not mmf...

We replied, hmm yes they are the same!

However looking on the net, it appears it can be considered mmf to be a bi threesome

Would you consider them the same or is it lingo we are not aware of?"

Bloody Acronyms!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It always amuses me that a guy that wants to have sex in a room that has other males in it can still be in denial and laughably claim to be "straight". Except of course when the other male is wearing ladies clothes which makes it all ok. So take a spare pair of knickers. and then of course whatever happens isnt at all gay. Or two and then everyone can shag anyone without any problem and of course remain straight."

Good idea Then can be FFF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never knew there was a difference either. Not that it matters, I've enjoyed both..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's one of those technicalities that some people use and others don't. Don't expect everyone to understand it and be sure to clarify matters where there's room for confusion.

When you bring Domination and submission into it it gets even more confusing because M is a Dom male, m is a sub male, F is a Dominant female and f is a sub female. Usually the Dom(me)s are written first in the expression. When there's an M and an F there can be some dispute over who is first!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

EVERYONE knew that!! Duh!

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


" EVERYONE knew that!! Duh! "

SMS Dave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Happy to do either .... as long as everyone gets nakkie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" EVERYONE knew that!! Duh!

SMS Dave "

Lol whenever I'm home!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF BI i should like xx

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


" EVERYONE knew that!! Duh!

SMS Dave

Lol whenever I'm home!"

Reading a local news report goats appear to be popular in my area lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" EVERYONE knew that!! Duh!

SMS Dave

Lol whenever I'm home!

Reading a local news report goats appear to be popular in my area lol"

Goats? Huh classy round your way then?

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By *ashful BazMan
over a year ago

poole dorset


"I am glad I came on the forums this evening as I genuinely did not know that! "

Same here, learn something everytime you log in, most educational.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's one of those technicalities that some people use and others don't. Don't expect everyone to understand it and be sure to clarify matters where there's room for confusion.

When you bring Domination and submission into it it gets even more confusing because M is a Dom male, m is a sub male, F is a Dominant female and f is a sub female. Usually the Dom(me)s are written first in the expression. When there's an M and an F there can be some dispute over who is first!"

ok with that in mind sign us up for a mMf please!! or even and i'm going out on a limb here a mM(B)f

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone really care?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF....MFM....???

Surely there must be some sense of consonant-istency to all this??

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?"

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mfm MMF FmM MfM...........its all about the lady and her pleasure and well being..........or am I just a hopeless romantic?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

just make sure you spell MMF or MFM correct or heaven help you........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post! "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's one of those technicalities that some people use and others don't. Don't expect everyone to understand it and be sure to clarify matters where there's room for confusion.

When you bring Domination and submission into it it gets even more confusing because M is a Dom male, m is a sub male, F is a Dominant female and f is a sub female. Usually the Dom(me)s are written first in the expression. When there's an M and an F there can be some dispute over who is first!"

Ooo didn't know that either! Learn something new everyday here

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"Does anyone really care?"

Yes, because if I'm in a MMF / MFM situation, I want to be sure the guy isn't bothered should my cock accidentally slap across his face

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

To be honest I have always just called it MMF regardless of whether the men are bi or straight....

You learn something new every day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post! "

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ok with that in mind sign us up for a mMf please!! or even and i'm going out on a limb here a mM(B)f "

B ... Butternut squash? Balloon? Baseball Bat? Banana?

The mind boggleth!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post! "

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"However looking on the net, it appears it can be considered mmf to be a bi threesome

To me, MMF means 2 guys can play together

MFM means no cock contact

Well, that's jow I _iew it "

It certainly is the old school understanding (not calling you old sweetie) which was used on many sites back in the day.

But like many things, the initial meanings get lost over time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have always used mmf!!

So what happens when it's a Mmmm f ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ok with that in mind sign us up for a mMf please!! or even and i'm going out on a limb here a mM(B)f

B ... Butternut squash? Balloon? Baseball Bat? Banana?

The mind boggleth! "

An opportunity for me to use my Batman constume? Woo Hoo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I

merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society? "

I guess the fact that your " does anyone care " was not the first post after the initial question by the op should answer

your question

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"But like many things, the initial meanings get lost over time."

I know what you mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what on earth if there is more than one guy?

MFM..M..M.......M

Just to keep them apart haha"

. M

MFM

. M

Maybe?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

just get one to watch thro the window and wank and then swappsies if they are concerned with touching

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MaMFMaM

a for airgap

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society? "

Oh dear, who's rattled you cage

Quite clearly not getting MFM or MMF

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We have always used mmf!!

So what happens when it's a Mmmm f ? "

The poor f on the end is lonely? Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society? "

And, does anyone really care?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society?

And, does anyone really care? "

Apprently not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society?

Oh dear, who's rattled you cage

Quite clearly not getting MFM or MMF "

Well not today........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?"

Yes. And some people have learned something they consider interesting. A good thing, no?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Hmm sorry, yes we do, it is only a question, if you don't like it...no need to post!

Can I ask when you were appointed as the chair person of the FAB board of censors? I will say what I like when I like as long as it is not offensive. I merely posed a question which when I last took care to look was part of living in a democratic society?

Oh dear, who's rattled you cage

Quite clearly not getting MFM or MMF Well not today........"

Better luck tomorrow then

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Yes. And some people have learned something they consider interesting. A good thing, no?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always assumed most people were familiar with the codes. Just goes to show how wrong one can be.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've always assumed most people were familiar with the codes. Just goes to show how wrong one can be. "

I think we need L plates on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've always assumed most people were familiar with the codes. Just goes to show how wrong one can be.

I think we need L plates on "

Surely not

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"It always amuses me that a guy that wants to have sex in a room that has other males in it can still be in denial and laughably claim to be "straight". ."

Some men can pee in the same urinals too an claim to be and are straight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care?

Yes. And some people have learned something they consider interesting. A good thing, no?

"

I care lol , like said if in the act of a 3some would want to know who was spooking my willy lol. What bout ffm or f m f is there a difference xx

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"It always amuses me that a guy that wants to have sex in a room that has other males in it can still be in denial and laughably claim to be "straight". .

Some men can pee in the same urinals too an claim to be and are straight "

As long as they don't peek

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

O o O oo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

DVP with a no M-M contact rule?

Time to call Mission Impossible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always peek when I'm using the men's loo, (when the queue for the lady's is too long).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I always peek when I'm using the men's loo, (when the queue for the lady's is too long)."

LOL just picturing 3 guys turning round from the cubiles as you walk in and they're all holding a beer can next to their cocks ref sky remote Post

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I always peek when I'm using the men's loo, (when the queue for the lady's is too long).

LOL just picturing 3 guys turning round from the cubiles as you walk in and they're all holding a beer can next to their cocks ref sky remote Post "

They take their beer cans in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I always peek when I'm using the men's loo, (when the queue for the lady's is too long).

LOL just picturing 3 guys turning round from the cubiles as you walk in and they're all holding a beer can next to their cocks ref sky remote Post

They take their beer cans in "

As I say check the sky remote Post on here... You'll see the connection

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I always peek when I'm using the men's loo, (when the queue for the lady's is too long).

LOL just picturing 3 guys turning round from the cubiles as you walk in and they're all holding a beer can next to their cocks ref sky remote Post

They take their beer cans in

As I say check the sky remote Post on here... You'll see the connection "

So what is it if you include Action Man in your play M AM F M?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had a bloke messaging a few times, seemed ok, got to talking re preferences and what we are into.

We said mmf, the guy was but I am straight.

He said I like MFM, not mmf...

We replied, hmm yes they are the same!

However looking on the net, it appears it can be considered mmf to be a bi threesome

Would you consider them the same or is it lingo we are not aware of?"

The same, although some guys want to try to lie to themselves that they are not bi!

A devils threesome (mmf as some call it) can be had wthout bi interaction but normally with very good friends (the two guys), thats more of a lets fuck this bitch type mentality though lol

Seriously though any guy wanting to jon a mf, norally has a some level of bi, as does the cpl, even if just curious to watch and be close to another guy, I am sure will get people saying thats not the case, but really!?!?

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch? "

Tat would be very HOT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never given any thought to MMF or MFM - I just thought it meant two guys/one gal in any configuration thereof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch? "

I think you are supposed to have a wall chart like a football manager for anything over 2 guys so they know what position they are playing in and who is the striker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch? "

Now that sounds like fun, I'm in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch? "

Ooh that means I'm having a Fmm!

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham


"So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch?

Ooh that means I'm having a Fmm! "

Ooo can we have a F Fmm and both watch? Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am glad I came on the forums this evening as I genuinely did not know that! "

Me too I never realised there was a difference either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone up for a spot of MFI before some DIY?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We didn't realise there was a code either to be fair!!

So from now on we will be wanting a mfm m m m m

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Now, if anyone posts mmmm or hmmmm will we all get confused? I like to go mmmm but I also like to be in the middle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if I ask for a Fmmm do I get to tell the bi guys how to play with each other while I watch?

Ooh that means I'm having a Fmm!

Ooo can we have a F Fmm and both watch? Lol "

Count me in!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had no idea that the placement of the letters meant a difference in play, oh well my new bit of knowledge for today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm very confused, Ted...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""I'm very confused, Ted...."

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Indeed! I feel sorry for those with Dyslexia.........they must be going nuts!

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By *ourbonKissMan
over a year ago

a land up north..... of leicester


"I am glad I came on the forums this evening as I genuinely did not know that! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you not read the The Official Swingers Code (Revised edition) from WHSmith at £1.99 ? I suggest you buy it !!

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Does anyone really care?

Yes, because if I'm in a MMF / MFM situation, I want to be sure the guy isn't bothered should my cock accidentally slap across his face "

First time is a accident after that your just trying to get him to suck it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Have you not read the The Official Swingers Code (Revised edition) from WHSmith at £1.99 ? I suggest you buy it !!"

They've now sold out

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Anyone up for a spot of MFI before some DIY? "

I would yes but not sure, pray tell!

If it has anything to do with hammering or screwing, I'm not very good at that

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Seriously though any guy wanting to jon a mf, norally has a some level of bi, as does the cpl, even if just curious to watch and be close to another guy, I am sure will get people saying thats not the case, but really!?!?"

Does that mean if two straight couples swop they must be bi/ bi curious?

What about an orgy where there are lots of people of both sex's? They will normally all be bi or bi curious?

A sex club, where there are lots of naked bodies with some having sex, the same?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rugby surely by now you know *everybody* on a Swinging site is bi, secretly bi or bi-curious?!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


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The same, although some guys want to try to lie to themselves that they are not bi!

A devils threesome (mmf as some call it) can be had wthout bi interaction but normally with very good friends (the two guys), thats more of a lets fuck this bitch type mentality though lol

Seriously though any guy wanting to jon a mf, norally has a some level of bi, as does the cpl, even if just curious to watch and be close to another guy, I am sure will get people saying thats not the case, but really!?!?"

I wish Id know this sooner,im truly enlightened now and wish id made all the straight guys we have played in a 3sum with have some of the cock fun that they obviously crave while they're fucking this bitch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really understand the fascination with anyone else's sexuality, unless it's someone you are interested in playing with.

I also find the apparent beliefs that a bi- or gay man will fancy every other man, and that a bi- man couldn't take part in an MFM without losing control and forcing himself on the other man, a bit odd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't really understand the fascination with anyone else's sexuality, unless it's someone you are interested in playing with.

I also find the apparent beliefs that a bi- or gay man will fancy every other man, and that a bi- man couldn't take part in an MFM without losing control and forcing himself on the other man, a bit odd."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if it's a Mfm there is going to be a little contact for the male side at some point, I mean what if your in a dp situation heaven forbid that you touched, I'm st8 and would love to be involved in some dp fun im comfortable with who I am so I say big deal just have fun

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey


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Would you consider them the same or is it lingo we are not aware of?"

We have always considered them to be the same thing and had lots of MMF. Mr B has never been told that he had to play with the other guy because we put the f in the wrong place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well...you learn something every day!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

This is getting very complicated

I hadn't realised letter order was important, although it does explain my sore bottom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is getting very complicated

I hadn't realised letter order was important, although it does explain my sore bottom. "

Well it's your own fault for having such a sexy bottom!!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


"This is getting very complicated

I hadn't realised letter order was important, although it does explain my sore bottom.

Well it's your own fault for having such a sexy bottom!!"

*sigh* Indeed it is a curse!

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees


"This is getting very complicated

I hadn't realised letter order was important, although it does explain my sore bottom. "

Was 'mmf!' the noise you made when it happened?

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


"This is getting very complicated

I hadn't realised letter order was important, although it does explain my sore bottom.

Was 'mmf!' the noise you made when it happened? "

OMG yes! So it's not only an indicator of order and number and nature of sex but also a phonetic sample!

Pretty impressive system!

FFM is also the noise I make when trying to play with two women at once just before I have a nervous break down due to multi-task failure.

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