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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hope i spelt it proper, anyway, after seeing bojo fail to commit to creating misogyny as a crime, there was one guy i knew who genuinely hated women. Over time i ascertained to some extent through comrnts and attitudes, I concluded that his hatred stemmed from a fear of women, he seemed frightened to chat to or be in their company, so forgive my ignorance here but is he a misogynist under the definition?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Yep

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

We can’t really judge him here as we know so little about him.

Have a private chat with him about his feelings or challenge his hostility. I’m sure he’d be horrid to know he was tried by fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pmsl

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester

You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frank

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yep "

Is it a cognitive choice to be one, rather than a phobia?

Bojo avoided the question of making it illegal, so how would the guy i described fit into the equation?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Yep

Is it a cognitive choice to be one, rather than a phobia?

Bojo avoided the question of making it illegal, so how would the guy i described fit into the equation? "

That depends on the person I suppose and their reasons etc. However misogyny is a hatred of women and you said he hates women.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Yeah, but is getting the women to do the cooking and washing up and sewing because they are sooooo much better at it than me misogyny, or just common sense.

Whereas I drive the car and show them which way up the map goes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bojo is a human sack of shit.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Yeah, but is getting the women to do the cooking and washing up and sewing because they are sooooo much better at it than me misogyny, or just common sense.

Whereas I drive the car and show them which way up the map goes.

"

. I always used to get told off for turning the map upside down haha

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Bojo is a human sack of shit. "

He speaks highly of you

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Yep

Is it a cognitive choice to be one, rather than a phobia?

Bojo avoided the question of making it illegal, so how would the guy i described fit into the equation? "

Odd that you are pinning this completely on bojo. Of it is the prime minster’s responsibility then surely it is the daily of every previous prime minister too, including the two female PM’s?

We have very little info to go on re the offender, and as another poster has suggested, engaging with him on the subject might be more fruitful if you actually want him to change.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yep

Is it a cognitive choice to be one, rather than a phobia?

Bojo avoided the question of making it illegal, so how would the guy i described fit into the equation?

That depends on the person I suppose and their reasons etc. However misogyny is a hatred of women and you said he hates women. "

Out of fear than contempt, but I get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a man. So yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

"

Yeah this really. Do we need thought police now.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

"

It wasn’t about making anything legal or illegal as far as I can make out. It was more classing it as a hate crime like racism/homophobia/transphobia/Islamaphobia etc.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

"

Yes exactly. Acts of unwanted attention against women i understand and fully support suppression of that behaviour.

I was just entertaining my thoughts on the guy i knew and the effect it would have on the likes of him.,

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. "

Ah THAT'S the word i was trying to find lol, thanks, yes it would be fairer

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. "

How would they differentiate too? Domestic violence crime or misogyny crime. Sexual assault or misogyny? I think I’d have to read it into it more. Generally I think it was wether it should be classed as a hate crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a hate crime, like race or religious prejudice it's an aggravating factor, which could affect sentencing on conviction of an action based crime.

These are always difficult areas because they are so emotive, but punishing someone for what they think, rather than what they do is like punishing someone for being mentally ill.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

Misogyny and misandry should be taken seriously. Domestic violence isn't just men beating or abusing women, it happens the other way around too. They reckon men are less likely to reporting abuse and less likely to tell anyone.

How do we combat such abuse - upbringing both partners treating each other with respect and love thereby setting an example to children. Education - concentrating on relationships and social behaviour. A police force trained to deal sympathetically with all cases. Proper sentences reflecting the seriousness of the crime. More public awareness around domestic violence and an end to the belief that this is a crime where only the woman is a victim

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Neither misogyny or misandry automatically manifest as domestic abuse or any form of physical abuse.

My experiences of misandry for example both online and in daily life are usually claims that all women are victims and all men are aggressors.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Neither misogyny or misandry automatically manifest as domestic abuse or any form of physical abuse.

My experiences of misandry for example both online and in daily life are usually claims that all women are victims and all men are aggressors. "

I see that too to be fair. Quite a bit lately. I’ve stayed away from those kind of threads on purpose.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men! "

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words. "

There's an interesting study called Godwins Rule about accusing someone of being a Nazi or Hitler as a last resort and calling someone a misogynist has started to become just as lazy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

There's an interesting study called Godwins Rule about accusing someone of being a Nazi or Hitler as a last resort and calling someone a misogynist has started to become just as lazy. "

Snowflake

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

There's an interesting study called Godwins Rule about accusing someone of being a Nazi or Hitler as a last resort and calling someone a misogynist has started to become just as lazy.

Snowflake "

A fine example

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

There's an interesting study called Godwins Rule about accusing someone of being a Nazi or Hitler as a last resort and calling someone a misogynist has started to become just as lazy.

Snowflake "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

It wasn’t about making anything legal or illegal as far as I can make out. It was more classing it as a hate crime like racism/homophobia/transphobia/Islamaphobia etc. "

Yes And I believe it should be.

So for example what happened in Plymouth as far as I'm concerned was a hate crime, if the perpetrator of those shootings Had been because of the hatred of a certain religion or sexual orientation it would have been a high crime but because it was just because he hated women it wasn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

There's an interesting study called Godwins Rule about accusing someone of being a Nazi or Hitler as a last resort and calling someone a misogynist has started to become just as lazy.

Snowflake "

Or karan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think more should be done in schools to tackle misogyny so that boys don't leave feeling like it's funny/fair game/just banter and girls don't leave feeling like they should just put up and shut up because boys will be boys

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

"

Exactly this. What next? Hatred of cakes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frank"

Well there are tendencies, but don't use misogyny - that's all about disrespect towards women.

Blame the dictionary!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. "
this

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. this

"

I don’t think you can class either to be fair. They aren’t acts. The are attitudes. Thought crime does not exist ( yet).

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. this

I don’t think you can class either to be fair. They aren’t acts. The are attitudes. Thought crime does not exist ( yet)."

I think the suggestion is that if an action has been motivated by mysoginy then it becomes a hate crime and carries a stiffer penalty, rather than locking someone up for thinking certain thoughts.

I.e. not a crime to have the thoughts

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. this

I don’t think you can class either to be fair. They aren’t acts. The are attitudes. Thought crime does not exist ( yet).

I think the suggestion is that if an action has been motivated by mysoginy then it becomes a hate crime and carries a stiffer penalty, rather than locking someone up for thinking certain thoughts.

I.e. not a crime to have the thoughts "

That’s pretty much my take on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. this

I don’t think you can class either to be fair. They aren’t acts. The are attitudes. Thought crime does not exist ( yet)."

It's not about making it an offence, it's about making it a recorded factor when a legislative offence is recorded as a crime

Eg assault, with a prejudice factor of racial, religious, disability, transgender and sexual orientation is currently recorded as factors which may or may not influence the penalty issued for the original crime.

This was about adding misogyny to that list of recognised characteristics...

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. this

I don’t think you can class either to be fair. They aren’t acts. The are attitudes. Thought crime does not exist ( yet).

It's not about making it an offence, it's about making it a recorded factor when a legislative offence is recorded as a crime

Eg assault, with a prejudice factor of racial, religious, disability, transgender and sexual orientation is currently recorded as factors which may or may not influence the penalty issued for the original crime.

This was about adding misogyny to that list of recognised characteristics... "

Yes. That’s what it was about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone else think the thing behind all these problems we are having is the willingness to treat other people like shit for their own gain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. this

I don’t think you can class either to be fair. They aren’t acts. The are attitudes. Thought crime does not exist ( yet).

I think the suggestion is that if an action has been motivated by mysoginy then it becomes a hate crime and carries a stiffer penalty, rather than locking someone up for thinking certain thoughts.

I.e. not a crime to have the thoughts "

Exactly the same way it is if you change the word misogyny to racist or homophobic it is not criminal offence Think abhorrent things about someone because of their sexual orientation for example however is if you acon that and I think it should be the same if it is a crime against someone because of the sex they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

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By *agerMorganMan
over a year ago

Canvey Island

I initially thought it was covered already as a hate crime.

Turns out it’s not, never knew that.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry. "

Agree with this too. You absolutely cannot have one without the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're guilty of wrongthink, it's only fair that you're made to report for re-education, comrade.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course. "

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I initially thought it was covered already as a hate crime.

Turns out it’s not, never knew that. "

That's right, although sexual orientation and transgender each have their own threads in NPCC and Home Office guidance, 2 of the 5 are currently centered on sexuality or gender in some way.

The trouble comes when you start looking wider at all the other motivational hate or prejudice reasons for committing crime, you soon have so many as to have a massive tick list and becomes a bureaucracy, in which people miss recording factors as there are too many to choose from...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

It wasn’t about making anything legal or illegal as far as I can make out. It was more classing it as a hate crime like racism/homophobia/transphobia/Islamaphobia etc.

Yes And I believe it should be.

So for example what happened in Plymouth as far as I'm concerned was a hate crime, if the perpetrator of those shootings Had been because of the hatred of a certain religion or sexual orientation it would have been a high crime but because it was just because he hated women it wasn't. "

I think he hated the whole World. He shot his mother (significant) another random woman and a little girl, but he also shot two men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

"

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

It wasn’t about making anything legal or illegal as far as I can make out. It was more classing it as a hate crime like racism/homophobia/transphobia/Islamaphobia etc.

Yes And I believe it should be.

So for example what happened in Plymouth as far as I'm concerned was a hate crime, if the perpetrator of those shootings Had been because of the hatred of a certain religion or sexual orientation it would have been a high crime but because it was just because he hated women it wasn't.

I think he hated the whole World. He shot his mother (significant) another random woman and a little girl, but he also shot two men.

"

But when you look at his background and the hate he had been spouting on his social media it was almost all and women and it has been attributed to what he then ended up doing. If he'd been saying these things about a group of people based on their religious beliefs he almost certainly would have been spoken to by the police about this at the very least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them...."

I'm very aware and that is my point. You can only do that if you make something a cross however you can spout all kinds of hate against someone because of the sex they are and people just see it as unpleasant rather than something that needs tackling and you can't order someone to address their behaviour by enrolling in a reeducation program unless you make it a crime.

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

There's an interesting study called Godwins Rule about accusing someone of being a Nazi or Hitler as a last resort and calling someone a misogynist has started to become just as lazy. "

Lot of words have become commonplace also like misogynist also used as a form of abuse. Used against those that have a different opinion or don't follow a certain narative.

If misogyny becomes a hate crime, where does it stop.

If you dislike a woman for what ever reason - maybe her dog shits all over your garden. Does this mean you are a misogynist? Next thing you'll have the police round for telling her to ...

I know this may seem a little ridiculous but i know someone who commited suicide because some woman took a dislike to him and started calling him a paedophile. He wasn't he was just an innocent guy but it was word of the time she just used it in aggression and abuse without knowing the implications of doing so "just a word" destoyed his life and ultimately ended it.

The danger is once the word is used in you are guilty by implication.

If misogyny is classed as a hate crime, how can you differentiate, between words used in spite and a genuine misogynist. Criminalising it could open a can of vipers which could never be closed. Not to be done lightly.

Racism etc, have clear defining lines masogynism does not.

Dont have look far for guilty by implication.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

"

He didn’t say that, he just wondered if they might the cause in this case.

I don’t buy the suggested excuse though, we are all adults and can take ownership of our attitudes and take responsibility for any prejudices.

Fact is, we know nothing about the person referred to in the opening post.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry.

Agree with this too. You absolutely cannot have one without the other. "

If this is the case, we must ask then if it’s needed at all. Basically they both cancel each other out. If everyone is to become a protected characteristic, irrespective of male/female/other, then is there a need for specific?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

"

No but this is an extreme difference really. This is when it is covered by something else. If were talking about someone who has this attitude and at this time rather than just putting them away for them to come out with the same outlook, I was suggesting as part of the sentence trying to work out the actual issue so after the punishment is done they are more likely to be a better person and not recommit the crime.

There is now a lot of support for extremism now and recognising people at risk of being recruited by extreme organisations and helping before its too late. The crime however, should always be punished.

If a person has committed an act of terrorism then they should face repocusions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry.

Agree with this too. You absolutely cannot have one without the other.

If this is the case, we must ask then if it’s needed at all. Basically they both cancel each other out. If everyone is to become a protected characteristic, irrespective of male/female/other, then is there a need for specific?"

I don't think you can class them as crimes per se, only aggravating factors. They both reflect irrational states of mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

He didn’t say that, he just wondered if they might the cause in this case.

I don’t buy the suggested excuse though, we are all adults and can take ownership of our attitudes and take responsibility for any prejudices.

Fact is, we know nothing about the person referred to in the opening post. "

Absolutely agree. If you live in this world long enough you have a basis of what is right and what is wrong. Even if you don't belive it, you know what is expected and if you commit a crime you should expect consequences. But if the aim is tom reform so once back in society they are more safe, then more stuff has to be offered to make that happen.

A drill will only get a handy person so far, at some point the will need a saw. If you get me

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"You can't classify misogyny as a crime without doing likewise for misandry.

Agree with this too. You absolutely cannot have one without the other.

If this is the case, we must ask then if it’s needed at all. Basically they both cancel each other out. If everyone is to become a protected characteristic, irrespective of male/female/other, then is there a need for specific?

I don't think you can class them as crimes per se, only aggravating factors. They both reflect irrational states of mind."

Yes, definitely. But using the misogyny/misandry as a protected characteristic to increase sentencing doesn’t work. Sentencing would have to be based on the crime alone, irrespective of who’s the victim.

This legislation already exists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them....

I'm very aware and that is my point. You can only do that if you make something a cross however you can spout all kinds of hate against someone because of the sex they are and people just see it as unpleasant rather than something that needs tackling and you can't order someone to address their behaviour by enrolling in a reeducation program unless you make it a crime. "

'BUt if it WAS A CRIME then maybe they should include trauma counselling as PART of the sentence?'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them....

I'm very aware and that is my point. You can only do that if you make something a cross however you can spout all kinds of hate against someone because of the sex they are and people just see it as unpleasant rather than something that needs tackling and you can't order someone to address their behaviour by enrolling in a reeducation program unless you make it a crime.

'BUt if it WAS A CRIME then maybe they should include trauma counselling as PART of the sentence?' "

Yes I agree I know my point earlier was a little bit out there and I don't think I put across what I wanted to very well but that is what I was trying to get at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them....

I'm very aware and that is my point. You can only do that if you make something a cross however you can spout all kinds of hate against someone because of the sex they are and people just see it as unpleasant rather than something that needs tackling and you can't order someone to address their behaviour by enrolling in a reeducation program unless you make it a crime.

'BUt if it WAS A CRIME then maybe they should include trauma counselling as PART of the sentence?'

Yes I agree I know my point earlier was a little bit out there and I don't think I put across what I wanted to very well but that is what I was trying to get at. "

It's a valid point though. Where do you draw the line? Problem is there's no one answer is there? Each case has different things involved so how do you deal with it?

There's no disrespect from me btw

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

If Misogyny does become a hate crime ( which it’s unlikely too) almost all of the UK population would need educating on the implications and meaning of the word!

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

..


"If Misogyny does become a hate crime ( which it’s unlikely too) almost all of the UK population would need educating on the implications and meaning of the word! "

Yep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them....

I'm very aware and that is my point. You can only do that if you make something a cross however you can spout all kinds of hate against someone because of the sex they are and people just see it as unpleasant rather than something that needs tackling and you can't order someone to address their behaviour by enrolling in a reeducation program unless you make it a crime.

'BUt if it WAS A CRIME then maybe they should include trauma counselling as PART of the sentence?'

Yes I agree I know my point earlier was a little bit out there and I don't think I put across what I wanted to very well but that is what I was trying to get at.

It's a valid point though. Where do you draw the line? Problem is there's no one answer is there? Each case has different things involved so how do you deal with it?

There's no disrespect from me btw "

That is true and I know there are programs for example the people that have been convicted of domestic violence offences to try and reeducate then an address the behaviour. The prevent programme while controversial has had some success and I just wonder if there's something that can be done in relation to hate speech in regards to someones sex.

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By *oncupiscent_dreamMan
over a year ago

City

He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines."

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the chap was treated like shit by a woman early on? I'm not defending him or justifying it. BUt if it was a crime then maybe they should include trauma counselling as part of the sentence?

Or it could be that the person is just a horrible dickhead of course.

OK this is a bit out there but if we going down that road often all hate crimes are triggered because somebody feels they are somehow wronged by specific group of people so should we offer terrorists trauma counselling?

They do! It's part of trying to rehabilitate then and deradicalise them....

I'm very aware and that is my point. You can only do that if you make something a cross however you can spout all kinds of hate against someone because of the sex they are and people just see it as unpleasant rather than something that needs tackling and you can't order someone to address their behaviour by enrolling in a reeducation program unless you make it a crime.

'BUt if it WAS A CRIME then maybe they should include trauma counselling as PART of the sentence?'

Yes I agree I know my point earlier was a little bit out there and I don't think I put across what I wanted to very well but that is what I was trying to get at.

It's a valid point though. Where do you draw the line? Problem is there's no one answer is there? Each case has different things involved so how do you deal with it?

There's no disrespect from me btw

That is true and I know there are programs for example the people that have been convicted of domestic violence offences to try and reeducate then an address the behaviour. The prevent programme while controversial has had some success and I just wonder if there's something that can be done in relation to hate speech in regards to someones sex. "

I think it should just come under the hate crime and dealt with thusly. I maybe just naive but if the consequences were equal across the board, saying of you comitted a crime based on hatred of that person, you will be seriously punished whatever the hate was. Would that bring us closer to equality? Would that send a message that peoples rights are equal? Would it force us to take people on their own merits and not likelihoods and such?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense. "

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth. "

I think it was the fact it was the assumption that this would somehow just apply to white women.

I do understand that but I think the we need to have separate laws in relation to different types of crime.

We have that distinction with every type so for example with assult there are varying degrees from common assault to GBH and lots in-between.

Yes of course in an ideal world we would all just be civil and decent but we dont live in an ideal world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth.

I think it was the fact it was the assumption that this would somehow just apply to white women.

I do understand that but I think the we need to have separate laws in relation to different types of crime.

We have that distinction with every type so for example with assult there are varying degrees from common assault to GBH and lots in-between.

Yes of course in an ideal world we would all just be civil and decent but we dont live in an ideal world. "

I agree. It's how to get to more of an ideal world that Im struggling with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

His reasons for or origins of his behaviour are irrelevant. They can explain and with some folk I could even stretch to sympathy (if they were particularly ill treated by a woman as a child for example and that influenced their outlook). But if their behaviour displayed contempt towards women, I'd still say they were a mysogynist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth.

I think it was the fact it was the assumption that this would somehow just apply to white women.

I do understand that but I think the we need to have separate laws in relation to different types of crime.

We have that distinction with every type so for example with assult there are varying degrees from common assault to GBH and lots in-between.

Yes of course in an ideal world we would all just be civil and decent but we dont live in an ideal world.

I agree. It's how to get to more of an ideal world that Im struggling with. "

And me. I think all all kinds of prejudice and hate need to be tackled firmly and early I just don't know how we go about doing it.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth.

I think it was the fact it was the assumption that this would somehow just apply to white women.

I do understand that but I think the we need to have separate laws in relation to different types of crime.

We have that distinction with every type so for example with assult there are varying degrees from common assault to GBH and lots in-between.

Yes of course in an ideal world we would all just be civil and decent but we dont live in an ideal world.

I agree. It's how to get to more of an ideal world that Im struggling with. "

If you are hoping for an ideal world then you will constantly be disappointed. All we can do is co tour to make improvements, small steps on the right direction, but nirvana is a mirage.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"His reasons for or origins of his behaviour are irrelevant. They can explain and with some folk I could even stretch to sympathy (if they were particularly ill treated by a woman as a child for example and that influenced their outlook). But if their behaviour displayed contempt towards women, I'd still say they were a mysogynist. "

Completely agree that adults should own their feelings / outlooks rather than making excuses.

But also we only have one poster’s assurance that this guy hates all women. So personally, I have nowhere near enough real info to know whether he is a misogynist or not.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Yeah, but is getting the women to do the cooking and washing up and sewing because they are sooooo much better at it than me misogyny, or just common sense.

Whereas I drive the car and show them which way up the map goes.

"

I'd say that's more sexist than misogynistic.

Sexist assumption and male bias.

And I know you have your tongue firmly in your cheek.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Yeah, but is getting the women to do the cooking and washing up and sewing because they are sooooo much better at it than me misogyny, or just common sense.

Whereas I drive the car and show them which way up the map goes.

. I always used to get told off for turning the map upside down haha "

You map read for your dad ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If a hate crime, like race or religious prejudice it's an aggravating factor, which could affect sentencing on conviction of an action based crime.

These are always difficult areas because they are so emotive, but punishing someone for what they think, rather than what they do is like punishing someone for being mentally ill."

As a society we do punish the mentally ill.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley

Ironically, it seems to me that some people are allowing their battle against misogyny to morph into misandry. Maybe that should be illegal too.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words. "

What are the real issues ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Ironically, it seems to me that some people are allowing their battle against misogyny to morph into misandry. Maybe that should be illegal too."

Now i'd agree with that.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Ironically, it seems to me that some people are allowing their battle against misogyny to morph into misandry. Maybe that should be illegal too."

Yes

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Yeah, but is getting the women to do the cooking and washing up and sewing because they are sooooo much better at it than me misogyny, or just common sense.

Whereas I drive the car and show them which way up the map goes.

. I always used to get told off for turning the map upside down haha

You map read for your dad ?"

No. Not my dad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"His reasons for or origins of his behaviour are irrelevant. They can explain and with some folk I could even stretch to sympathy (if they were particularly ill treated by a woman as a child for example and that influenced their outlook). But if their behaviour displayed contempt towards women, I'd still say they were a mysogynist.

Completely agree that adults should own their feelings / outlooks rather than making excuses.

But also we only have one poster’s assurance that this guy hates all women. So personally, I have nowhere near enough real info to know whether he is a misogynist or not. "

Aye ok, you're right.

( showing I'm not a misandrist)

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"Yeah, but is getting the women to do the cooking and washing up and sewing because they are sooooo much better at it than me misogyny, or just common sense.

Whereas I drive the car and show them which way up the map goes.

I'd say that's more sexist than misogynistic.

Sexist assumption and male bias.

And I know you have your tongue firmly in your cheek. "

Yes.

What we used to call male chauvinism.

Putting women in certain roles, talking down to them and not attributing them the same level of intellect.

Whilst misogyny and chauvinism in society must both be dealt with ,you do see them being confused more and more.

What is sexism and chauvinism is increasingly being referred too as misogyny.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

What are the real issues ?"

The real issues are many as we know, but the hijacking and weaponising of words usually leads to a perceived twist or change in their meaning causing ambiguity in whatever the issue may have been.

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Up Your Frock!


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

Exactly this. What next? Hatred of cakes?"

I shall be creating a safe haven for cakes - just saying!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

What are the real issues ?

The real issues are many as we know, but the hijacking and weaponising of words usually leads to a perceived twist or change in their meaning causing ambiguity in whatever the issue may have been.

"

Or clarity.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"A dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Whilst distasteful, how can you make a view a crime? Putting that view into actions maybe, but good luck with the points to prove on that one.

Exactly this. What next? Hatred of cakes?

I shall be creating a safe haven for cakes - just saying! "

Do me a vegan sponge, single layer, covered in sicilian lemon veganspread cream please.....

bless you ..... and some vegan curd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth.

I think it was the fact it was the assumption that this would somehow just apply to white women.

I do understand that but I think the we need to have separate laws in relation to different types of crime.

We have that distinction with every type so for example with assult there are varying degrees from common assault to GBH and lots in-between.

Yes of course in an ideal world we would all just be civil and decent but we dont live in an ideal world.

I agree. It's how to get to more of an ideal world that Im struggling with.

If you are hoping for an ideal world then you will constantly be disappointed. All we can do is co tour to make improvements, small steps on the right direction, but nirvana is a mirage. "

But to do that you have to hope for an ideal world right? By definition other wise whats the point?

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet


"You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frank"
yes you do,misandry is the female equivalent

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"I believe we are currently discriminating any number of beliefs and relabelling them as ‘ misogyny’

Yes, it does exist but all of a sudden it’s become ‘the’ word for everything against men!

It has become common place to weaponise a word, this prohibits and simply stifles debate. The real issues then become buried in an endless war of words with debaters trying to outsmart each other with their clever use of words.

What are the real issues ?

The real issues are many as we know, but the hijacking and weaponising of words usually leads to a perceived twist or change in their meaning causing ambiguity in whatever the issue may have been.

Or clarity."

?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frankyes you do,misandry is the female equivalent "

You don’t. Not as likely but you don’t have to male

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I don't think anyone is trying to criminalise thoughts. Let's use an example I think we can all get on board with.

I'd hope we would all agree that committing indecent acts against children is a crime and should be treated as such? However, if someone harbours THOUGHTS of carrying out indecent acts with children, that is not a crime. You can think about it (however abhorrent) but you only stray into the realms of committing a crime if you act on the thoughts.

It should be the same for any crime motivated by the gender of a victim or victims. If a person has negative thoughts about all people of a given gender, then thinking that way is not a crime and however much one might disagree with their thoughts, it's not a crime if it remains inside their head. It SHOULD BE a crime if someone commits any violent or other negative act based fully or mainly on the gender of those they attack. Exactly the same way as we categorise murder with religious motivation as terrorism.

That all said, just because we cannot and should not criminalise thought, we SHOULD challenge those who harbour negative thoughts about whatever characteristic (gender, race, sexual orientation etc) and we should try to guide people away from those thoughts, because they are not conducive to a harmonious society.

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over a year ago

Ironically misogyny is a fun word to say. Feels like a marshmallow crossed with one of those cube dolly mixtures. Firm but a bit squishy.

'OOOO it feels a bit misogyny'

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Ironically misogyny is a fun word to say. Feels like a marshmallow crossed with one of those cube dolly mixtures. Firm but a bit squishy.

'OOOO it feels a bit misogyny' "

Nope. Sounds like a Japanese Birthing Pool of soup

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frankyes you do,misandry is the female equivalent "

No. Misandry is the opposite.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Women display misogynistic tendencies too.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I was on a plane a couple of years back and as we taxied towards the runway, the captain made a tannoy announcement. The man in the next seat grabbed my arm and whispered. The pilot is a woman. I told him to calm down and that many many, pilots were women these days and that they were just as capable as men at flying aeroplanes. Besides, it wasn't as if she had to reverse the thing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was on a plane a couple of years back and as we taxied towards the runway, the captain made a tannoy announcement. The man in the next seat grabbed my arm and whispered. The pilot is a woman. I told him to calm down and that many many, pilots were women these days and that they were just as capable as men at flying aeroplanes. Besides, it wasn't as if she had to reverse the thing..."

You're a dead man....

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"He is changing the law so people who admitted shooting innocent catholics in the back, can never be sent to jail or have their statements used against them in criminal court.

He left people in Afghanistan who helped the UK to die, the SAS dressed up as women to escape causing the Taliban to start a huge clamp down on women, checking for British soldiers hiding among them.

There were people lined up on the road and shot in the face for believing in England.

And misogyny is your red line? Is this outrage just for white English women, or does it pass to all women of the UK? Should a loop hole in the law allow Catholic women in the north be subjected to it? Maybe Muslim women should still have to cover up? Just should be sent to jail for whistling at an English woman?

People have weird red lines.

You have gone off on a massive tangent there and to be honest most of that doesn't make sense.

One thing is connected to another I think. So there are always going to be tangents. I do think it's a valid point though. Can we really address one thing without another? The fact is until the whole society stops fucking others over for money, hate, rights etc then these things won't ever get truly resolved. I've been struggling a lot with this thought of late and it's fucked me in truth.

I think it was the fact it was the assumption that this would somehow just apply to white women.

I do understand that but I think the we need to have separate laws in relation to different types of crime.

We have that distinction with every type so for example with assult there are varying degrees from common assault to GBH and lots in-between.

Yes of course in an ideal world we would all just be civil and decent but we dont live in an ideal world.

I agree. It's how to get to more of an ideal world that Im struggling with.

If you are hoping for an ideal world then you will constantly be disappointed. All we can do is co tour to make improvements, small steps on the right direction, but nirvana is a mirage.

But to do that you have to hope for an ideal world right? By definition other wise whats the point? "

Not necessarily. I hope for a better world, I work towards a better world, but if I am hoping for or expecting an ideal world then I am going to be permanently disappointed. And that’s exactly the situation that the earlier post suggested ... fed up because ideal world is not happening

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"I was on a plane a couple of years back and as we taxied towards the runway, the captain made a tannoy announcement. The man in the next seat grabbed my arm and whispered. The pilot is a woman. I told him to calm down and that many many, pilots were women these days and that they were just as capable as men at flying aeroplanes. Besides, it wasn't as if she had to reverse the thing..."

You sat beside borat on a plane? Niiiiiice!

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frank

Well there are tendencies, but don't use misogyny - that's all about disrespect towards women.

Blame the dictionary!"

Given that we still live in a somewhat patriarchal society (true equity has not yet been achieved) internalized misogyny is absolutely a thing.

Think of the amount of women that;

- Slut shame,

- Judge on appearance,

- Knock other women down based on their faith, career or relationship choices

That's all misogynistic thinking, which has become normalised in society, it's a slow, hard process breaking it down...

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"You don't have to be male to display misogynistic tendencies. Just sayin.

Frank

Well there are tendencies, but don't use misogyny - that's all about disrespect towards women.

Blame the dictionary!

Given that we still live in a somewhat patriarchal society (true equity has not yet been achieved) internalized misogyny is absolutely a thing.

Think of the amount of women that;

- Slut shame,

- Judge on appearance,

- Knock other women down based on their faith, career or relationship choices

That's all misogynistic thinking, which has become normalised in society, it's a slow, hard process breaking it down..."

Exactly. Misogyny is hatred of women regardless of gender. Yes it’s mostly seen as men but it’s not gender specific.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was on a plane a couple of years back and as we taxied towards the runway, the captain made a tannoy announcement. The man in the next seat grabbed my arm and whispered. The pilot is a woman. I told him to calm down and that many many, pilots were women these days and that they were just as capable as men at flying aeroplanes. Besides, it wasn't as if she had to reverse the thing..."

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By *inkyeroticaCouple
over a year ago

Ampthill


"Bojo is a human sack of shit. "

I won’t read anything better than this online today!

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