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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" I'd love to know if this pun was intended. | |||
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"Where will this end ?" Depends on what flight they're on. | |||
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"Where will this end ?" Bunions-ville, USA. It's long haul. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" Along with jogging bottoms and a hoodie. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" Good move, practical footwear, and ends a practice of making women a sex object.. Type thing.. (forgive me I'm still tired after working late) | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" Banning the wearing of high heels?? Ffs. What should be banned is the expectation that women wear them at all, rather than someone’s preference/right to choose to wear them (I know quite a few people who enjoy wearing them for work) - introduce instead a policy that simply says “you may wear smart shoes of a given colour” and let it be that. People can choose. This world has gone potty. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" What wedge?! Allowing people to be comfortable while they work?! What a terrible wedge that is. | |||
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"I want to say it's all over the shoes but that would be too obvious. Do staff ever wear heels on boards ? I'd have guessed not. " Yes. If you read. The article on BBC news one stewardess for the Ukrainian airline says that they can be wearing heels for over 13 hours a day and be in terrible discomfort at the end of a shift. Most have to see chiropodists regularly due to the heels. Although having looked at pics of the heels they were wearing I'd say they were not practical. They aren't the first airline to relax the dress code for female flight attendants and hopefully won't be the last. It's a big step in moving away from the over sexualised image of an air hostess. | |||
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"Friend works for one of the biggest airlines Heels always been optional 99.9999% wear them and change to flats when in air and working Not news really most airlines are the same Just a stunt to prove how PC they are " It's a new airline in Ukraine but quickly becoming one of the biggest according to the article so perhaps it was a publicity thing. Still not a bad move in my book. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Banning the wearing of high heels?? Ffs. What should be banned is the expectation that women wear them at all, rather than someone’s preference/right to choose to wear them (I know quite a few people who enjoy wearing them for work) - introduce instead a policy that simply says “you may wear smart shoes of a given colour” and let it be that. People can choose. This world has gone potty. " Not banning, allowing them a choice | |||
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"Good. Absolutely no reason to wear heels "When you’re crew on a flight obv. Plenty of reason to wear heels otherwise  | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" Yeah why not - they're on their feet a lot. Wish other companies of employment would allow that idea. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Banning the wearing of high heels?? Ffs. What should be banned is the expectation that women wear them at all, rather than someone’s preference/right to choose to wear them (I know quite a few people who enjoy wearing them for work) - introduce instead a policy that simply says “you may wear smart shoes of a given colour” and let it be that. People can choose. This world has gone potty. Not banning, allowing them a choice" Just As I said then? | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Yeah why not - they're on their feet a lot. Wish other companies of employment would allow that idea." Pshorr... They'll be saying policewoman don't have to wear heels next. | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about?" I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Yeah why not - they're on their feet a lot. Wish other companies of employment would allow that idea. Pshorr... They'll be saying policewoman don't have to wear heels next. " I had in mind, some retail companies  | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Yeah why not - they're on their feet a lot. Wish other companies of employment would allow that idea. Pshorr... They'll be saying policewoman don't have to wear heels next. I had in mind, some retail companies "Come the revolution sistas let's blockade the shoe shops. What do we want? Comfie shoes! ... When do we want em? Now! | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about? I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. "  | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" Why do you care? Nice effort slipping in the “wedge” reference though. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Yeah why not - they're on their feet a lot. Wish other companies of employment would allow that idea. Pshorr... They'll be saying policewoman don't have to wear heels next. I had in mind, some retail companies
Come the revolution sistas let's blockade the shoe shops. What do we want? Comfie shoes! ... When do we want em? Now! "Correct I did campaign... I have issues with feet mobility and standing for long periods of time. That I had to go through a union to be able to wear the shoes that were suitable. It's a fairly common issue with people who have done this for a number of years ... | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" It’s all over the shoes. | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Why do you care? Nice effort slipping in the “wedge” reference though. " I bet the pilots can wear whatever they want. Bunch of loafers | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Why do you care? Nice effort slipping in the “wedge” reference though. I bet the pilots can wear whatever they want. Bunch of loafers " Still at least it didn't end up in court | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Yeah why not - they're on their feet a lot. Wish other companies of employment would allow that idea. Pshorr... They'll be saying policewoman don't have to wear heels next. "  | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Why do you care? Nice effort slipping in the “wedge” reference though. I bet the pilots can wear whatever they want. Bunch of loafers Still at least it didn't end up in court " Absolutely. A slipper-ry slope | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about? I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. " | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about? I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. " No, if I’m accepting the job I’m accepting the uniform. The fact that a business has decided to change their uniform for whatever reason should not be worthy of such discussion. Yet here we are, yet again voicing outrage on behalf of other’s where there really should be no notice taken | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about? I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. No, if I’m accepting the job I’m accepting the uniform. The fact that a business has decided to change their uniform for whatever reason should not be worthy of such discussion. Yet here we are, yet again voicing outrage on behalf of other’s where there really should be no notice taken" I see it differently. I used to work in an environment where we had to wear suits all the time. That was the required attire for the office, I had no problem with that and did it for years, no complaints. Then along came dress-down, first on fridays and then full time, and I liked that more, saw it as a positive. In this case it’s more clearcut, it’s a positive move and the original scenarios looks daft. OP clearly doesn’t like the idea, even having a dig by referring to the employer (who he doesn’t even name) as “so-called budget airline”. If he approved of the idea then he would be more likely to have phrased its as a positive development. | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about? I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. No, if I’m accepting the job I’m accepting the uniform. The fact that a business has decided to change their uniform for whatever reason should not be worthy of such discussion. Yet here we are, yet again voicing outrage on behalf of other’s where there really should be no notice taken" Voicing outrage.... You really missed some of the good comebacks.... | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Why do you care? Nice effort slipping in the “wedge” reference though. I bet the pilots can wear whatever they want. Bunch of loafers Still at least it didn't end up in court Absolutely. A slipper-ry slope " But it gives a platform for a discussion | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ? Why do you care? Nice effort slipping in the “wedge” reference though. I bet the pilots can wear whatever they want. Bunch of loafers Still at least it didn't end up in court Absolutely. A slipper-ry slope But it gives a platform for a discussion" At least they made a clear decision and didn’t flip-flop on the matter | |||
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"Where will this end ? Crocs? Evil buggers  ". Saw some fur lined winter crocs yesterday, bet they don’t make your feet stink..!! | |||
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about? I imagine you’d think it was worth talking about if you - as a man - were told to wear high heels to stand around in all day - just to “appeal more” to the eyes of travellers …. No, if I’m accepting the job I’m accepting the uniform. The fact that a business has decided to change their uniform for whatever reason should not be worthy of such discussion. Yet here we are, yet again voicing outrage on behalf of other’s where there really should be no notice taken" Who's voicing outrage other than you?! Most seem to be in support. | |||
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"Hopefully, more comfortable footwear will assist them in getting my drink to me sooner when I click my fingers, not a full 2 minutes later. "It'll reduce their lap times that's for sure. Watch the personal bests come tumbling down. | |||
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Any…. Free alcohol on board!!! | |||
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"A European so called budget airline is allowing cabin crew to wear trainers instead of heels.. Is this the thin end of the wedge ?" this is why I stick to first class | |||
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"Cabin crew only wear heels to walk through the airport and greet passengers during boarding. They go to flat inflight shoes for service, especially on long flights Safety and comfort." Its common practice on short-haul & longhaul flights. Like you said safety. If people paid attention to the safety briefing most will say at some point along the lines of "and ladies remove high heeled shoes". In the event of an evacuation, any kind of shoe with a heel could puncture the slide. Most UK airlines the policy is to change into "cabin shoes/flat shoes" as soon as they board just incase something were to happen during the boarding process and an evacuation was required using the slides. | |||
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"Hopefully, more comfortable footwear will assist them in getting my drink to me sooner when I click my fingers, not a full 2 minutes later. "Somebody already made that hilarious joke  | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ?" The one who sells the most tickets | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ?" If they're taking off at the same time there's gonna be an accident on the runway | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ? The one who sells the most tickets "There can be only one winner | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ?" The airline with the most competitive fares, keenly priced. I've never met a fellow traveller who has based their booking on the clothes & makeup of the attendants. Who gives a crap ? They are not there for my titillation, they are there to do a job and they don't want hassle, ogling, lechery or rudeness. | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ? The airline with the most competitive fares, keenly priced. I've never met a fellow traveller who has based their booking on the clothes & makeup of the attendants. Who gives a crap ? They are not there for my titillation, they are there to do a job and they don't want hassle, ogling, lechery or rudeness. " You speak for them ? | |||
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"You speak for them ?" I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so. | |||
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"Good. Absolutely no reason to wear heels " Unless en route to and in the bedroom or chosen room of debauchery | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so." Nice to read for a change | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so." | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ?" Not a real situation. But we get the message, you feel that women should be dressed in full makeup, high heels and tight skirts while they are at work, cos that’s the way you like it. Things I value with an airline. Reliability, safety record, convenience of schedule (lhr instead of Gatwick in my case), quality of fleet, inflight entertainment etc. Not bothered what shoes the cabin crew are wearing. | |||
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"Which one you choose though " Seat size matters too. And I mean the size of the seat ther I am sitting in rather than the size of the seat that has been crammed into a pencil skirt. For example I flew to New Zealand on air New Zealand, as their sear sizes were bigger than other carriers in that route, and that was a priority for me in such a long flight. It’s ok, we get the picture, no need to explain further | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ? The airline with the most competitive fares, keenly priced. I've never met a fellow traveller who has based their booking on the clothes & makeup of the attendants. Who gives a crap ? They are not there for my titillation, they are there to do a job and they don't want hassle, ogling, lechery or rudeness. You speak for them ?" Yes Tom he speaks for those who don't want an harassment claim made against them and for those who don't want to be harassed in the 21st Century.....welcome back to it! | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ?" I don't think I've ever looked up an airlines flight attendants dress code before booking a flight. Never part of my decision making process what so ever. Bizarre scenario  | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so. Nice to read for a change "Beware the white knights.. Armour can easily tarnish | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so. Nice to read for a change
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so. Nice to read for a change
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"First world problems - why is this even worth asking about?" The OP is suggesting Trolly "Dollies" should be just that... And what do you think? There is a distinction between Asian and Western Airlines where the female cabin crew is still expected to be servile and demure, I'm thinking the "Singapore Girl"... However did you know ... The famous batik Sarong Kebaya they have to wear (that is tighter at the knees which makes them wiggle when they walk) is designed to tear off below the knee for when they are evacuating the aircraft in an emergency? Clever those Singaporeans... | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ? The airline with the most competitive fares, keenly priced. I've never met a fellow traveller who has based their booking on the clothes & makeup of the attendants. Who gives a crap ? They are not there for my titillation, they are there to do a job and they don't want hassle, ogling, lechery or rudeness. You speak for them ? Yes Tom he speaks for those who don't want an harassment claim made against them and for those who don't want to be harassed in the 21st Century.....welcome back to it!" | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so." Halle-fucking-lujah Thank you. As for the white knight comment. Hillarious. I have said for years that till men understand the need to break down the systemic, inherent patriarchal thinking in situations just like this we are just screaming into the void... It never ceases to amaze me the level of misogyny that can be found on fab. Which is counter productive... Unless such guys want to just ogle but never be able to touch, after all who would want a sexually liberated woman? | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so. Halle-fucking-lujah Thank you. As for the white knight comment. Hillarious. I have said for years that till men understand the need to break down the systemic, inherent patriarchal thinking in situations just like this we are just screaming into the void... It never ceases to amaze me the level of misogyny that can be found on fab. Which is counter productive... Unless such guys want to just ogle but never be able to touch, after all who would want a sexually liberated woman?" I can only see one poster clinging to the high heels and tight skirts image. Every other male poster above seems to be saying they don’t care, or have other priorities when choosing airlines. It’s one poster! | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. " I agree to a certain extent. If you read my post above about Singapore Airlines uniform, then you'll know I think safety is paramount... But... I change shoes at work too... but the opposite. I wear gym shoes to get to work (drive, run for train etc) but when I get to work, heels are part of my office "uniform" and is smart. Besides, mincing around in killer heels at work, men are like putty in my hands. Oh yeah, feminine charms do work. | |||
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"I can only see one poster clinging to the high heels and tight skirts image. Every other male poster above seems to be saying they don’t care, or have other priorities when choosing airlines. It’s one poster! " On this thread it's one poster yeah... But in general there is actually a high dose of misogyny and not many men speaking up against it. It's refreshing. | |||
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"Two airlines...one route, same prices and times.. One has the trainer dress code and one has the heels, pencil skirt and makeup dress code.. Which one survives ? I don't think I've ever looked up an airlines flight attendants dress code before booking a flight. Never part of my decision making process what so ever. Bizarre scenario "This So all other things being equal, it's probably pot luck and so they'd get equal revenue. However I would guess that the more relaxed company has. Slower turn over of staff, less of with feet issues, possible more on demand so don't need to pay a premium to entice people to work for them. So they have more profits. And survive. What do I win ? | |||
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"You speak for them ? I believe any man can and should speak up about patriarchal hegemony which has traditionally sexualised business wear for profit. It goes a lot deeper than that, and across more than just the airline industry but yes, I will speak up, demonstrably so. Nice to read for a change
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. I agree to a certain extent. If you read my post above about Singapore Airlines uniform, then you'll know I think safety is paramount... But... I change shoes at work too... but the opposite. I wear gym shoes to get to work (drive, run for train etc) but when I get to work, heels are part of my office "uniform" and is smart. Besides, mincing around in killer heels at work, men are like putty in my hands. Oh yeah, feminine charms do work." An 8 hour office job in heels I'd very different to long haul flights on your feet all the time plus its your CHOICE to wear heels. I wear heels most days at work but it isn't mandated by an archaic, Sexist dress code policy. Some of your comments shift attitudes towards women back several decades to be honest. I go to work to do my job and earn money, not use my feminune charms around the office. I wear what I feel comfortable in, sometimes it's heels, sometimes it's not. | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. " That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. | |||
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"Some of your comments shift attitudes towards women back several decades to be honest. I go to work to do my job and earn money, not use my feminune charms around the office. I wear what I feel comfortable in, sometimes it's heels, sometimes it's not. " When I did my MBA (my paper was about The Glass Ceiling in our corporate world), there are some jobs that mandates you to smile and be charming. Cabin crew is one of them. It is just more pleasant to be handed a coffee by a smiling person than a surly one. Sure the coffee is hot and lovely but which would you prefer? We are both feminists but I'm a Darwinian (or "evolutionary") Feminist, you are a "Structural Feminist". Many ways to skin a cat. | |||
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"I can only see one poster clinging to the high heels and tight skirts image. Every other male poster above seems to be saying they don’t care, or have other priorities when choosing airlines. It’s one poster! On this thread it's one poster yeah... But in general there is actually a high dose of misogyny and not many men speaking up against it. It's refreshing." I guess the knuckle-headed posts stand out more and have more impact, unfortunately. But plenty of sensible posts here, even if we get accused of white-knighting! | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. " It certainly does, Where it stops nobody knows.... | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. It certainly does, Where it stops nobody knows.... "Please put your tray away and your seat back in the upright position and fasten your seat belt ready for landing at London fabwick. | |||
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"In supporting and standing up for women's rights and earnestly listening to female friends who advocate feminism, I've realised that those who stand to gain the most from the movement are actually men. Feminism actually fights for men's rights. We're just generally too stupid and stubborn to realise it. We think feminism is about the removal of men's rights (which the patriarchal and misogynistic old guard want us to think), when it's actually about the empowerment of men's rights (which challenges the patriarchal status quo)." Well that's one view.. | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. " If you've never needed your cabin crew to intervene for your safety and only remember being served tea and biscuits, then that's a good flight. I don't think you want to be on one of the flights where they have to use their safety training and evacuate you over the Atlantic or something. | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. If you've never needed your cabin crew to intervene for your safety and only remember being served tea and biscuits, then that's a good flight. I don't think you want to be on one of the flights where they have to use their safety training and evacuate you over the Atlantic or something. " In which case all the passengers die.. | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. If you've never needed your cabin crew to intervene for your safety and only remember being served tea and biscuits, then that's a good flight. I don't think you want to be on one of the flights where they have to use their safety training and evacuate you over the Atlantic or something. In which case all the passengers die.. " Not necessarily. The little pictures in the safety booklet say they can land on water and there's little a lifevest under your seat, there's a torch and whistle to attract attention. You pass the tape around the back and tie at the side with a double knot. You should pull the toggle sharply down but not inside the aircraft. You can top up the air by blowing into *this* tube. And they have lifecots and things for babies and toddlers. Basically, if you don't "see" the safety aspect of the cabin crew job, then that means your flight didn't try to kill you. Bonus | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. If you've never needed your cabin crew to intervene for your safety and only remember being served tea and biscuits, then that's a good flight. I don't think you want to be on one of the flights where they have to use their safety training and evacuate you over the Atlantic or something. In which case all the passengers die.. " I have been involved in an emergency situation. Plane was totalled but everyone survived. | |||
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"Unless the pilot is wearing hi heels I'm not getting on board. Flats or trainers are boring but practical. But can't help feeling a stilleto heel in the eye of a hijacker would be the better option." especially if thrown at high velocity... | |||
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"They aren’t even there to look pretty and serve drinks. They are there for passenger safety. That's an interesting thought. What do they spend their time doing in flight? I mean "your cabin crew today are Wayne, suzie and mo and they'll be bringing through our latest fashions in safety boots, hard hats and covid masks after they've served your in flight meal and refreshments.. If you need headphones for your in flight entertainment they'll be happy to sell you some.. If you want to enter our lotto they'll be happy to sell you some lotto tickets... If you want to make a donation to our charity they'll be happy to take your envelope." And on it goes. " Yes, they do all the extras, it makes the airline more profitable, and the extras make the airlines more attractive, but primarily, the crew are there for passenger safety. What do you think happens if someone sneaks a cigarette in the toilet, and starts a fire? What if there is a medical situation, or a disruptive passenger. The crew are trained to deal with it as much as possible. | |||
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"Sounds like a great company to work for, putting staff's comfort before fashion & sex appeal " Comfort before fashion and sex appeal? Have you gone completely mad? Who would do that? | |||
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"In supporting and standing up for women's rights and earnestly listening to female friends who advocate feminism, I've realised that those who stand to gain the most from the movement are actually men. Feminism actually fights for men's rights. We're just generally too stupid and stubborn to realise it. We think feminism is about the removal of men's rights (which the patriarchal and misogynistic old guard want us to think), when it's actually about the empowerment of men's rights (which challenges the patriarchal status quo)." 
Men's right to be loved.
Accepted.
Have feelings and emotions.
Do what ever job they want... Even if it's a 'girls' job.
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" Men's right to be loved. Accepted. Have feelings and emotions. Do what ever job they want... Even if it's a 'girls' job. " Precisely. A message to other men. Who taught you to keep your feelings and emotions under wraps ? Who told you that some jobs were women's jobs, and some jobs were men's job ? Who are you afraid of ridicule from more ? Who do you seek to compete with the most ? Who do you feel more naturally wary of in a work environment ? . I think an overwhelming majority of men would reply "Men" to most if not all of these questions. . And therein dear gentlemen, lies the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) smoking gun evidence, that the patriarchy we build to maintain our dominance works completely against the majority of us, except for a tiny select few. And even they themselves are caught within it. . In asserting our dominance, we have ultimately imprisoned ourselves. And by extension, everyone else around us. | |||
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" Men's right to be loved. Accepted. Have feelings and emotions. Do what ever job they want... Even if it's a 'girls' job. Precisely. A message to other men. Who taught you to keep your feelings and emotions under wraps ? Who told you that some jobs were women's jobs, and some jobs were men's job ? Who are you afraid of ridicule from more ? Who do you seek to compete with the most ? Who do you feel more naturally wary of in a work environment ? . I think an overwhelming majority of men would reply "Men" to most if not all of these questions. . And therein dear gentlemen, lies the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) smoking gun evidence, that the patriarchy we build to maintain our dominance works completely against the majority of us, except for a tiny select few. And even they themselves are caught within it. . In asserting our dominance, we have ultimately imprisoned ourselves. And by extension, everyone else around us. " Encased by your own means ? | |||
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"Nature v nurture Our desire to see everyone able to do everything equally and litigation. " I'm interested to know what jobs we think men can/can't do that women can/can't do? The only "thing" I can think of (which isn't occupation related) is biological females can give birth, whereas biological men cannot. Otherwise, I'm struggling to find anything that's so definitively gendered. | |||
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