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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. " It makes my bum smell lovely.  | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. " That’s going to create some precarious fire hazards! | |||
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"There is not a fuel shortage, its a delivery driver shortage for some garages, the supermarkets have plenty, but again people panic buy "This 
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"There is not a fuel shortage, its a delivery driver shortage for some garages, the supermarkets have plenty, but again people panic buy
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Turkey shortage ! Buy chicken ! "I can solve the turkey and fuel shortage at a stroke. Simply train the turkeys to pull little barrels of petrol to the supermarkets, then slaughter them. It´s not rocket science. | |||
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"Worlds gone mad, its the panic buying that will cause the shortage " Looks like I picked a good week to convert my bike to electric.  | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. " Might sting a bit though | |||
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"There is not a fuel shortage, its a delivery driver shortage for some garages, the supermarkets have plenty, but again people panic buy "supermarkets dont have plenty it has been reported asda and tesco are closing stations. | |||
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"Thanks #Brexit Nothing to do with Brexit " You sure? I mean the lack of drivers has nothing at all to do with Brexit? Even a little? Nothing at all to do with how hard it is to work over here now for non Brits. Or how unwelcome they feel. Interesting... That's not what's been reported repeatedly in the news. But I am open to being wrong. | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. " Don't try this a home kids! | |||
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"This is once again irresponsible media reporting. They reported a potential fuel shortage which subsequently has caused panic buying, which ultimately will result in an actual fuel shortage. The issue is with shortage of HGV drivers due to lockdown (no lessons no tests). Some are trying to blame it on brexit FFS get over it. But it is a Europe/world wide problem also not just UK. Another cost of pandemic " | |||
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"our tesco is out hope things improve soon" out out or just out | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. " Toilet rolls are next!!!!  | |||
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"Thanks #Brexit Nothing to do with Brexit " Everything to do with Brexit...believe me its well documented that since we left the EU drivers aren't coming over to driver in the UK...its not financially viable for them to do so and of course the red tape which is now in place | |||
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"Thanks #Brexit Nothing to do with Brexit You sure? I mean the lack of drivers has nothing at all to do with Brexit? Even a little? Nothing at all to do with how hard it is to work over here now for non Brits. Or how unwelcome they feel. Interesting... That's not what's been reported repeatedly in the news. But I am open to being wrong." | |||
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"This is once again irresponsible media reporting. They reported a potential fuel shortage which subsequently has caused panic buying, which ultimately will result in an actual fuel shortage. The issue is with shortage of HGV drivers due to lockdown (no lessons no tests). Some are trying to blame it on brexit FFS get over it. But it is a Europe/world wide problem also not just UK. Another cost of pandemic " There is also the factor of previously poor working conditions and low wages for actual work done. A friend of mine has an HGV license but stopped doing the work and now delivers for Asda. He's home in the evenings to see his kids, he gets days off, he's not expected to do pallet-loading/unloading, he doesn't get stuck in motorway traffic and he now earns more money. He told me that an ex-colleague of his posted on his FB that he was nearly 5 hours in traffic on the M25 the other day due to the Insulation Rebellion mob and has now handed his notice in too. They can offer them more money but can't promise an equal work/home-life balance so a lot of them who have family no longer want to do it. | |||
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"Couple of days it will be all over. " Only if the media stops reporting and scare mongering. It's the idiots with gerry cans who should be flogged in public ! | |||
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There'll probably be some muppets driving to very expensive motorway stations, thinking they'll skip queues but wasting fuel getting there.
It's a pity that the people panic buying - using fuel to get filled up too - are going to be making it more difficult for people who have to do long distance journeys.
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"I have panic bought all the D size batteries…. So if you ladies need a rabbit recharge …. You’ll have to come to me!! - also available all brown M&M’s and all white xmas lights - available in any colour!!! "Rabbits don’t take ‘D’ batteries. | |||
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"This is once again irresponsible media reporting. They reported a potential fuel shortage which subsequently has caused panic buying, which ultimately will result in an actual fuel shortage. The issue is with shortage of HGV drivers due to lockdown (no lessons no tests). Some are trying to blame it on brexit FFS get over it. But it is a Europe/world wide problem also not just UK. Another cost of pandemic " Completely wrong. While there is indeed a worldwide driver shortage, it is a direct effect of Brexit that has caused drivers from Europe who were formerly part of our transport infrastructure to neither want to work nor live in the UK, and as such our delivery infrastructure has suffered a blow it may never recover from for a generation at least. The pandemic has exacerbated the situation, but as we are the only country in the world suffering from these shortages, it’s curious how Brexit would not be the issue, as we’re the only country also suffering from the self-inflicted disaster of Brexit too. | |||
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"Morons everywhere. Tractor juice is still available  "Don’t be putting that red in your car  . I’ll tell | |||
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"Morons everywhere. Tractor juice is still available "Tractor juice to the rescue! Lock your supply up | |||
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"This is once again irresponsible media reporting. They reported a potential fuel shortage which subsequently has caused panic buying, which ultimately will result in an actual fuel shortage. The issue is with shortage of HGV drivers due to lockdown (no lessons no tests). Some are trying to blame it on brexit FFS get over it. But it is a Europe/world wide problem also not just UK. Another cost of pandemic Completely wrong. While there is indeed a worldwide driver shortage, it is a direct effect of Brexit that has caused drivers from Europe who were formerly part of our transport infrastructure to neither want to work nor live in the UK, and as such our delivery infrastructure has suffered a blow it may never recover from for a generation at least. The pandemic has exacerbated the situation, but as we are the only country in the world suffering from these shortages, it’s curious how Brexit would not be the issue, as we’re the only country also suffering from the self-inflicted disaster of Brexit too. "Even if any of that were true... Is it brexit... Which is forcing people to go and fill multiple cars? Not really is it? Personal responsibility may also be a factor. But while people can choose to behave that way and blame something or someone else... Seems many of them will. | |||
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"Big queue at my local Morrison’s yesterday with staff directing traffic. Pics on FB showing idiots filling multiple fuel cans as well. Probably the same ones who had trolleys full of loo rolls. " Yep... That must be the fault of brexit ... I mean before brexit they were always going and filling up their fuel cans | |||
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"Big queue at my local Morrison’s yesterday with staff directing traffic. Pics on FB showing idiots filling multiple fuel cans as well. Probably the same ones who had trolleys full of loo rolls. " It’s called ‘selfish’. | |||
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"Big queue at my local Morrison’s yesterday with staff directing traffic. Pics on FB showing idiots filling multiple fuel cans as well. Probably the same ones who had trolleys full of loo rolls. " To be fair. I get why people filled up. I did. I have to get my child to hospital appointments etc and there are no trains or buses. But fuel cans! I imagine that will be stopped if it hasn’t already. | |||
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"Big queue at my local Morrison’s yesterday with staff directing traffic. Pics on FB showing idiots filling multiple fuel cans as well. Probably the same ones who had trolleys full of loo rolls. To be fair. I get why people filled up. I did. I have to get my child to hospital appointments etc and there are no trains or buses. But fuel cans! I imagine that will be stopped if it hasn’t already. " That’s true. People have appointments and work to get to etc but they should certainly stop the fuel can malarkey. | |||
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"This is once again irresponsible media reporting. They reported a potential fuel shortage which subsequently has caused panic buying, which ultimately will result in an actual fuel shortage. The issue is with shortage of HGV drivers due to lockdown (no lessons no tests). Some are trying to blame it on brexit FFS get over it. But it is a Europe/world wide problem also not just UK. Another cost of pandemic Completely wrong. While there is indeed a worldwide driver shortage, it is a direct effect of Brexit that has caused drivers from Europe who were formerly part of our transport infrastructure to neither want to work nor live in the UK, and as such our delivery infrastructure has suffered a blow it may never recover from for a generation at least. The pandemic has exacerbated the situation, but as we are the only country in the world suffering from these shortages, it’s curious how Brexit would not be the issue, as we’re the only country also suffering from the self-inflicted disaster of Brexit too.
Even if any of that were true... Is it brexit... Which is forcing people to go and fill multiple cars? Not really is it? Personal responsibility may also be a factor. But while people can choose to behave that way and blame something or someone else... Seems many of them will. "There’s no debate over whether it’s true or not, it’s documented fact. Your other question makes no sense. Of course it’s not ‘Brexit’ forcing people to fill their cars, how could it be? It’s fear of having no fuel that’s making them do that. However, the reason they are scared of running out of fuel is due to a delivery infrastructure issue that is a direct result of Brexit. | |||
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"GRABS CAR KEYS....shit be back in hour " Bit optimistic there mate... | |||
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"GRABS CAR KEYS....shit be back in hour Bit optimistic there mate... " Ill beep my horn so the que gose faster! | |||
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"Why all of a sudden we have a shortage of tanker drivers?. Could it be that because the government isn't allowing in cheap labour and asking for drivers to get a reasonable wage and conditions. By the way I'm not a driver ." We’ve always had a shortage of domestic drivers. That shortage has been made up by European drivers willing to work for less than domestic drivers. As we have disincentivized European drivers from working and living here because Brexit has both caused them to leave the country and made the job of driving between Europe and the UK much harder because of the additional administration and queuing, there is a shortage. That shortage has been exacerbated by Covid causing others to return to Europe, and not come back. Any competent government would have planned for the obvious driver shortage Brexit would cause, as the industry warned them repeatedly this would happen. Ours didn’t. But of course no competent government would have handled Brexit the way ours has, or even promoted the idea of a referendum in the first place. So here we are. | |||
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"Thanks #Brexit Nothing to do with Brexit You sure? But I am open to being wrong." That's lucky then | |||
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"Why all of a sudden we have a shortage of tanker drivers?. Could it be that because the government isn't allowing in cheap labour and asking for drivers to get a reasonable wage and conditions. By the way I'm not a driver ." This
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"Thanks #Brexit Nothing to do with Brexit You sure? I mean the lack of drivers has nothing at all to do with Brexit? Even a little? Nothing at all to do with how hard it is to work over here now for non Brits. Or how unwelcome they feel. Interesting... That's not what's been reported repeatedly in the news. Everything to do with DSA not doing any driving tests leading to a shortage of drivers coupled with incumbent drivers being unable to get medicals But I am open to being wrong." | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. " This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly." So wrong | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. So wrong" Feel free to try to articulate why! | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. So wrong Feel free to try to articulate why! "If i thought it was worth my time i would | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. So wrong Feel free to try to articulate why!
If i thought it was worth my time i would "Sure! | |||
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"Why all of a sudden we have a shortage of tanker drivers?. Could it be that because the government isn't allowing in cheap labour and asking for drivers to get a reasonable wage and conditions. By the way I'm not a driver . This
(an ex-driver)"why ex ? Was it just pay or was there anything else (from what i read you can throw in tax changes, lack of planning, lack of tests, as well as better options elsewhere) Be interesting to hear your take from the inside. | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. So wrong Feel free to try to articulate why!
If i thought it was worth my time i would
Sure! "You can keep your thought pattern of me being a sub intelligent person incapeable of expressing my intellect or articulate this with the writen word, then you would very much misstaken. But sadly i will digress to my orignal statement. If thought it was worth my time i would | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. " Of course it is, just like Covid-19 doesn't exist, man never stepped foot on the moon and NASA don't want you to know the earth isn't actually a globe
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"Big queue at my local Morrison’s yesterday with staff directing traffic. Pics on FB showing idiots filling multiple fuel cans as well. Probably the same ones who had trolleys full of loo rolls. To be fair. I get why people filled up. I did. I have to get my child to hospital appointments etc and there are no trains or buses. But fuel cans! I imagine that will be stopped if it hasn’t already. " I saw a sign at the local petrol station that said "£30 limit and no patrol cans unless you are a delivery van or emergency service vehicle" I do understand why people filled up but thats what causes the problem. If everybody just takes what they need rather than panicking we really wouldnt have a problem and this will settle down in a few days. | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. So wrong Feel free to try to articulate why!
If i thought it was worth my time i would
Sure!
You can keep your thought pattern of me being a sub intelligent person incapeable of expressing my intellect or articulate this with the writen word, then you would very much misstaken. But sadly i will digress to my orignal statement.
If thought it was worth my time i would
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"This is once again irresponsible media reporting. They reported a potential fuel shortage which subsequently has caused panic buying, which ultimately will result in an actual fuel shortage. The issue is with shortage of HGV drivers due to lockdown (no lessons no tests). Some are trying to blame it on brexit FFS get over it. But it is a Europe/world wide problem also not just UK. Another cost of pandemic Completely wrong. While there is indeed a worldwide driver shortage, it is a direct effect of Brexit that has caused drivers from Europe who were formerly part of our transport infrastructure to neither want to work nor live in the UK, and as such our delivery infrastructure has suffered a blow it may never recover from for a generation at least. The pandemic has exacerbated the situation, but as we are the only country in the world suffering from these shortages, it’s curious how Brexit would not be the issue, as we’re the only country also suffering from the self-inflicted disaster of Brexit too.
Even if any of that were true... Is it brexit... Which is forcing people to go and fill multiple cars? Not really is it? Personal responsibility may also be a factor. But while people can choose to behave that way and blame something or someone else... Seems many of them will.
There’s no debate over whether it’s true or not, it’s documented fact.
Your other question makes no sense. Of course it’s not ‘Brexit’ forcing people to fill their cars, how could it be? It’s fear of having no fuel that’s making them do that. However, the reason they are scared of running out of fuel is due to a delivery infrastructure issue that is a direct result of Brexit."Nailed. The shitshow Blukip government are now u-turning to get EU HGV drivers to work here on short-term visas. Now, I wonder what the reaction will be... | |||
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"Conspiracy theory: all part of govt plan to get people to go electric. This government doesn’t plan, it reacts. Badly. So wrong Feel free to try to articulate why!
If i thought it was worth my time i would
Sure!
You can keep your thought pattern of me being a sub intelligent person incapeable of expressing my intellect or articulate this with the writen word, then you would very much misstaken. But sadly i will digress to my orignal statement.
If thought it was worth my time i would
Your word salad here doesn’t do much to convince on that point, sorry! ".
You choose to belive that the goverment is a ficle orgination that hasnt got a clue. I choose to belive the oppisite that each of there actions is thought out and planned, at what level do really think these higly educated people have no forsight, or that there actions are mearly a reaction to socity . my choice is to belive that what we see in the front of us is the choice of goverments that want us to belive there here for us and the people that work hard and pay there dues. I see parliment, papers and the news as fodder for our distraction. When someone watches american football that never has, its like a brawl ,it makes little sence why that guy let him self get smashed into the floor and took one for the team, it just looks like bad reactions from one player , but it was all part of the plan.
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Don’t be putting that red in your car . I’ll tell "Best pull big bertha out the shed and annoy the townies | |||
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"How will bringing foreign labour over on temporary visas work if they still can’t get a hgv driving test?" I'm guessing they mean those already qualified | |||
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"How will bringing foreign labour over on temporary visas work if they still can’t get a hgv driving test?" I'm not sure either, as there seems to be a Europe wide shortage of hgv drivers. | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative. "Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long. | |||
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"It's the media showing stories online for the ad revenue as they know people will click and comment." It's complete an utter cop out to Blame the media. Isn't it funny people on here constantly saying the media is full of rubbish don't listen to them but when they want to abdicate all personal responsibility blame the media! | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long."It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that. | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative. "This is true, but it’s pointless suggesting that previous governments prior to 2010 bear responsibility for anything but a slight responsibility, by comparison with governments since. The major determinate factor here is Brexit, and that is not a point of debate, but an observable fact. Trends are observable and should be planned for, but they are trends. Covid is unforeseen and unpredictable. Brexit was not. It was a crisis that was chosen, campaigned for, and visible to all at all times. This Conservative government has had five years to plan for this precise and obvious scenario that was predicted by people both within the industry and without, and just as with everything else they are responsible for, be it our food supply, our energy supply, our health and care infrastructure ad infinitum, they did precisely nothing, preferring to play up to the newspapers and their gullible voter base instead of doing their urgent jobs. And so we are where we are - in crisis. And this is what we deserve. If you choose criminals, fools and incompetents to govern, don’t be surprised when disaster is the result. | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long.
It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that. "Truer word was never spoken. We live in a society that refers to football players as heroes without the slightest hint of irony | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long.
It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that.
Truer word was never spoken. We live in a society that refers to football players as heroes without the slightest hint of irony"Are there any societies that don’t? We’re no different to anyone else in that regard. | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long.
It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that.
Truer word was never spoken. We live in a society that refers to football players as heroes without the slightest hint of irony"I agree and it's not just that, we have been telling young people for at least a decade they are somehow failing if they dont get a degree and go into a profession. Now the very people that are in these professions are irritated that they can't get petrol whenever they want it or things delivered to their supermarket because we dont have the staff to be able to do this. We need to stop devaluing the work force its as simple as that. | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long.
It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that.
Truer word was never spoken. We live in a society that refers to football players as heroes without the slightest hint of irony
Are there any societies that don’t? We’re no different to anyone else in that regard."Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it OK. Thats not really a justification! | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long.
It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that.
Truer word was never spoken. We live in a society that refers to football players as heroes without the slightest hint of irony
Are there any societies that don’t? We’re no different to anyone else in that regard.
Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it OK. Thats not really a justification!"It’s not a justification, it’s an observation. There are problems you can tackle in society in a reasonable timeframe, and others you can’t. Hero worship of footballers and improper value and respect for workers is something far deeper than one of simple political change, as it pervades all societies to greater or lesser extents. And the root of this lies within capitalism itself, rather than our inherent natures. How do you solve capitalism? | |||
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"Ex HGV driver here. Now on a much better wage. Better more social hours. I'm not having to man handle 1t pallets of paving slabs, or heavy cages full of food for the supermarkets and injure myself in the process. The foreign driver market changes every decade. Polish, Romania , Lithuania etc. They all end up going home and staying in their own countries as their living wages increase. To the point where it's no longer viable for them to remain and work here. This point has simply been exacerbated by the Pandemic, Brexit the Suez Canal delays etc. HGV driving as a job is shit. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. And this has been a long time coming. The current Government aren't prepared, but neither was any preceeding governmenr before it. Labour OR Conservative.
Now we are seeing the effects of successive governments taking blus collar manual workers for granted and ignoring their growing concerns over wage suppression for so long.
It's not just the government, its us collective as a society. We undervalue those that we rely on the most and now we are paying the consequences for that.
Truer word was never spoken. We live in a society that refers to football players as heroes without the slightest hint of irony
I agree and it's not just that, we have been telling young people for at least a decade they are somehow failing if they dont get a degree and go into a profession.
Now the very people that are in these professions are irritated that they can't get petrol whenever they want it or things delivered to their supermarket because we dont have the staff to be able to do this. We need to stop devaluing the work force its as simple as that. " | |||
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"Say at Asda earlier for my usual weekly fill up and noticed a sign saying “Due to the current High demand we request that you fill up to a maximum of £30” So I did, however the old fella in front of me, who was speaking to the fella putting up the signs, Went for the full tank at £55 I’m not sure if I’m the dumbass for doing what I’m told or he’s the prick for brimming his tank " I would say it's definitely not you that's the dumbass. | |||
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"Say at Asda earlier for my usual weekly fill up and noticed a sign saying “Due to the current High demand we request that you fill up to a maximum of £30” So I did, however the old fella in front of me, who was speaking to the fella putting up the signs, Went for the full tank at £55 I’m not sure if I’m the dumbass for doing what I’m told or he’s the prick for brimming his tank I would say it's definitely not you that's the dumbass. " Phew as that does make a change from normal | |||
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"I noticed in the supermarket the other day that beans were getting unusually low in J.S .... OMG (hands on head like Munch's "the scream" picture.) How will we survive? What will we eat? Noooo, not a beans shortage? Are people going out & stocking up on beans & pasta again???? Really? People - chill the fuck out for FFS! There is/are other foods.... Use your cooking Imaginations!!!!!! Boris, stop procrastinating. Get the army temporarily in until we have a more permanent solution. Next problem..... "No people and not panic buying food but there was a shortage because there was a shortage of drivers for delivery and this is now going to increase because people have rushed out to buy petrol so will have a knock on effect on delivery's. | |||
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"You only have to look at the way we treated people during the lockdowns to see why we have this problem. People will donating hand creams and food and alsorts to NHS staff which is amazing. But on the flipside our delivery drivers and long haul lorry drivers couldnt even get a hot drink, Use a shower and in some cases even toilets because they closed the service stations down and nobody was protesting or shouting loudly for them to get a pay rise. " Well said. | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010" There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis. | |||
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"if people didnt panic buy then there wouldnt be a shortage, a fuel station has an amount of fuel it expects to sell every week, therefore orders that amount, the problems start when more is sold than they expect, thats when the problems start, same as before, if everyone kept to normal usage then all would be ok, change that then its no suprise that shops etc cant cope" No, you are wrong. Panic buying did not cause the shortage. The shortage (and reporting of it) caused the panic buying. | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010 There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis." You miss the point: it was the EU's free movement policy that flooded the labour market... to the glee of bad employers. That policy resulted, pre-2010 and post-2010, in UK drivers being forced out of the industry. All people of good will will be celebrating now that that bullying is coming to an end | |||
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"if people didnt panic buy then there wouldnt be a shortage, a fuel station has an amount of fuel it expects to sell every week, therefore orders that amount, the problems start when more is sold than they expect, thats when the problems start, same as before, if everyone kept to normal usage then all would be ok, change that then its no suprise that shops etc cant cope No, you are wrong. Panic buying did not cause the shortage. The shortage (and reporting of it) caused the panic buying." Totally disagree and yet again people blaming everyone else rather than taking personal responsibility. Did the media not report that there was no shortage and people shouldn't panic by but people for they knew better! | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010 There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis. You miss the point: it was the EU's free movement policy that flooded the labour market... to the glee of bad employers. That policy resulted, pre-2010 and post-2010, in UK drivers being forced out of the industry. All people of good will will be celebrating now that that bullying is coming to an end" Again, you are taking about a trend. The trend did not cause this current crisis. The crisis was caused by Brexit. If there was no Brexit, the trend would continue but the current crisis would not exist. | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010 There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis. You miss the point: it was the EU's free movement policy that flooded the labour market... to the glee of bad employers. That policy resulted, pre-2010 and post-2010, in UK drivers being forced out of the industry. All people of good will will be celebrating now that that bullying is coming to an end Again, you are taking about a trend. The trend did not cause this current crisis. The crisis was caused by Brexit. If there was no Brexit, the trend would continue but the current crisis would not exist." You'd rather the labour market remained flooded with cheap labour? | |||
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"if people didnt panic buy then there wouldnt be a shortage, a fuel station has an amount of fuel it expects to sell every week, therefore orders that amount, the problems start when more is sold than they expect, thats when the problems start, same as before, if everyone kept to normal usage then all would be ok, change that then its no suprise that shops etc cant cope No, you are wrong. Panic buying did not cause the shortage. The shortage (and reporting of it) caused the panic buying. Totally disagree and yet again people blaming everyone else rather than taking personal responsibility. Did the media not report that there was no shortage and people shouldn't panic by but people for they knew better!" Why were the media reporting on it if it didn’t exist? Are you suggesting they collectively decided to start telling people there was no shortage of fuel out of the blue? What personal responsibility should people be taking? Is it my fault the government have created a the circumstances for a food, energy and fuel crisis here? Is it yours? I suppose it really depends how you voted, but on that my conscience is completely clear. | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010 There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis. You miss the point: it was the EU's free movement policy that flooded the labour market... to the glee of bad employers. That policy resulted, pre-2010 and post-2010, in UK drivers being forced out of the industry. All people of good will will be celebrating now that that bullying is coming to an end Again, you are taking about a trend. The trend did not cause this current crisis. The crisis was caused by Brexit. If there was no Brexit, the trend would continue but the current crisis would not exist. You'd rather the labour market remained flooded with cheap labour?" A redundant rhetorical question. If the Labour market needed to be made fair, I would have wanted the government to use the many tools at its disposal to make the labour market fair. Creating a national crisis does not make the market fair, and is not the action of a competent government. But once again, there was no secret this government was incompetent - if you voted for them, you voted for them knowing they were exactly so. | |||
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"It's a bit of both really. We've created a feedback loop. " That’s correct. But panic buying was as a result of shortages, not the other way round as was suggested. | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010 There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis. You miss the point: it was the EU's free movement policy that flooded the labour market... to the glee of bad employers. That policy resulted, pre-2010 and post-2010, in UK drivers being forced out of the industry. All people of good will will be celebrating now that that bullying is coming to an end Again, you are taking about a trend. The trend did not cause this current crisis. The crisis was caused by Brexit. If there was no Brexit, the trend would continue but the current crisis would not exist. You'd rather the labour market remained flooded with cheap labour? A redundant rhetorical question. If the Labour market needed to be made fair, I would have wanted the government to use the many tools at its disposal to make the labour market fair. Creating a national crisis does not make the market fair, and is not the action of a competent government. But once again, there was no secret this government was incompetent - if you voted for them, you voted for them knowing they were exactly so." In what sense is it redundant to restore balance to a labour market by removing the EU s artificially created surplus of labour? You seem to be suggesting it should not be tackled. How would you tackle it? | |||
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"It's been going on since before 2010 There’s a difference between a trend and a crisis event. Governments before 2010 didn’t address the trend; the governments of 2010 and after are the architects of this crisis. You miss the point: it was the EU's free movement policy that flooded the labour market... to the glee of bad employers. That policy resulted, pre-2010 and post-2010, in UK drivers being forced out of the industry. All people of good will will be celebrating now that that bullying is coming to an end Again, you are taking about a trend. The trend did not cause this current crisis. The crisis was caused by Brexit. If there was no Brexit, the trend would continue but the current crisis would not exist. You'd rather the labour market remained flooded with cheap labour? A redundant rhetorical question. If the Labour market needed to be made fair, I would have wanted the government to use the many tools at its disposal to make the labour market fair. Creating a national crisis does not make the market fair, and is not the action of a competent government. But once again, there was no secret this government was incompetent - if you voted for them, you voted for them knowing they were exactly so. In what sense is it redundant to restore balance to a labour market by removing the EU s artificially created surplus of labour? You seem to be suggesting it should not be tackled. How would you tackle it?" It’s redundant for the reasons stated in the post you quoted. Once again - creating a national crisis (‘removing the EU’) is not a competent way to tackle inequalities in a single labour market. It’s like saying the way to fix an ingrowing toenail is to hack your own leg off with an axe. It is simply the catastrophic result of a reckless, unthinking and incompetent government. If you think that means I am suggesting the problem should not have been tackled at all, your comprehension is critically flawed. | |||
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"It's a bit of both really. We've created a feedback loop. That’s correct. But panic buying was as a result of shortages, not the other way round as was suggested." was the panic buying proportionate to the shortage ? I'm not sure eitjer way ... But if it's an over reaction then it's slightly harsh to blame the (small) shortage for causing the queues. | |||
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"It's a bit of both really. We've created a feedback loop. That’s correct. But panic buying was as a result of shortages, not the other way round as was suggested.was the panic buying proportionate to the shortage ? I'm not sure eitjer way ... But if it's an over reaction then it's slightly harsh to blame the (small) shortage for causing the queues. " Of course panic buying was not proportionate - it’s panic buying! If buying is proportionate it’s just shopping! | |||
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"A lot of blame on the media and yes, we're the gullible mass that take it in, although I personally like to check my facts! And yes the media have run with it but it's still the consumers acting like headless chickens but ultimately... was it planned? British labour, drivers etc are expensive and as consumers and the media, as a collective we're gullible and predictable. The 'crisis' started with BP closing some of their stations and making it public knowledge... so is it not possible that it's just corporate management, banking on our predictability and the chaos theory, knowing full well the government would have to step in and reconsider visas and opening the market back up to cheaper labour and bigger profits for the top dogs?" | |||
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"Why all of a sudden we have a shortage of tanker drivers?. Could it be that because the government isn't allowing in cheap labour and asking for drivers to get a reasonable wage and conditions. By the way I'm not a driver . This
(an ex-driver)why ex ? Was it just pay or was there anything else (from what i read you can throw in tax changes, lack of planning, lack of tests, as well as better options elsewhere)
Be interesting to hear your take from the inside. "The pay was part of it. I remember losing over £150 pw in about 6 months and just thinking that what was left didn't pay for being away from home 4 nights a week and having to live in laybys shitting in a carrier bag. After I left things got even worse. | |||
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"I have panic bought all the D size batteries…. So if you ladies need a rabbit recharge …. You’ll have to come to me!! - also available all brown M&M’s and all white xmas lights - available in any colour!!!
Rabbits don’t take ‘D’ batteries. "D’oh!!!! - have to see if they do sale or return….. anyone need 1500 toilet rolls? 3 tonnes of pasta? 1200 tins of tomatoes - I’ve only just bought 12,500 gallons of petrol for my strimmer too!!! | |||
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" You'd rather the labour market remained flooded with cheap labour?" Exactly, I know many companies they don't even hire British people, because they can employ cheap Bulgarian, Romanian or polish truck drivers. Even my work they advertise the jobs in Bulgaria as they can pay them 26k where as British want over 30k for driving a truck. We even employ people who don't speak a word English for other jobs as they are cheap, dont moan, and do the job. Bosses are happy as they are profitable. Even with new rules on visas you can still hire people from abroad. | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. " You can buy a pack of 50 plus bog rolls from amazon, there was no shortage. Sadly, you can't buy fuel from them yet.... | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. You can buy a pack of 50 plus bog rolls from amazon, there was no shortage. Sadly, you can't buy fuel from them yet...." You could order a siphon from them though. And use it on their van while they're not looking  | |||
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"Petrol is the new toilet roll. You can buy a pack of 50 plus bog rolls from amazon, there was no shortage. Sadly, you can't buy fuel from them yet.... You could order a siphon from them though. And use it on their van while they're not looking "I know its tongue in cheek... The millions of amazon / just eat / deliveroo / ocado / Tesco vans on the road probably contribute to the shortage... Its a funny old world. | |||
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"Has anyone read about the drivers who followed a concrete lorry for miles then had a go at the driver because he hadn't told them he wasn't carrying petrol?" Yes I saw that, sometimes all you can do is laugh. | |||
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"Has anyone read about the drivers who followed a concrete lorry for miles then had a go at the driver because he hadn't told them he wasn't carrying petrol? Yes I saw that, sometimes all you can do is laugh." Funny thing was that they had followed the lorry from Kettering to Northampton which is about 15 miles ! They all would have used about half a gallon of fuel just following him forget covid 19, stupidity is the new epidemic! | |||
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"You do realise there is no fuel shortage whatsoever right? No one ever said there was... all the fuel that didn't get sold during lockdown is now being pushed out before it's no good.. keep watching the news keep playing the game" Cool conspiracy
But we switched to a new type of fuel just a few days ago (E10).... | |||
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"Has anyone read about the drivers who followed a concrete lorry for miles then had a go at the driver because he hadn't told them he wasn't carrying petrol? Yes I saw that, sometimes all you can do is laugh. Funny thing was that they had followed the lorry from Kettering to Northampton which is about 15 miles ! They all would have used about half a gallon of fuel just following him forget covid 19, stupidity is the new epidemic! "Wonder what they'd have done when they caught up with him... Demanded petrol or your life dick Turpin style? Images of sid James with a tricorn hat spring to mind. | |||
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"Been past a few fuel stations this morning people queuing. Is itbthe same up and down the country "Just another Brexit bonus! | |||
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