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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

How easily words can be misconstrued when it is written in ones own style but interpreted by another's experience.

Recently, I've been looking at threads and occasionally asking someone how they have interpreted a certain statement in a way that differed from mine. I asked out of curiosity but my asking alone seemed to trigger irritation, as if I was questioning their post and opinion.

Marie Antoinette was never recorded uttering these words attributed to her as an example of a callous and uncaring soul, but for the sake of an experiment, let me use them:

'Let them eat cake.'

How do you interpret those words and her meaning?

For me, at that time, sugar was an item reserved for the wealthy. That's why they ate cakes as par for the course and rarely bread, which was for the masses. If she is unfamiliar with the fact that cake is not the norm for everyone as it was for her, why wouldn't she say 'let them eat cake' because that would be 'normal', in her world? No bread? Then eat cake.

Would that be a reasonable assumption?

People are quick to pass judgement and condemn someone on their words. They'd probably jump all over her and pronounce her a callous cow for saying that when what she meant was simply, that there seems to be so much cake, why can't they eat cake if there is no bread left?

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

I think the “cake” referred to was something that was fed to cattle, but I may be wrong, I didn’t google it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Modern scholars now believe she said 'let them bukkake'.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think the “cake” referred to was something that was fed to cattle, but I may be wrong, I didn’t google it. "

Ah, see, that's your interpretation of 'cake'. Bravo. That's my point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Modern scholars now believe she said 'let them bukkake'."

Good source of protein?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

It can also be misconstrued based on circumstance and privilege but just as easily on location.

There are many words and phrases used here in Northern Ireland that either have no meaning elsewhere or could be seen as offensive by others.

The simplest one that comes to mind is asking a woman if she would like a poke?

That could be misconstrued as a sexual approach while in reality it's an ice cream cone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

spot on done all the time with me and always taken in the worst way like i say something nice but taken as being a cunt never when im being a cunt is it taken nice haha

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It can also be misconstrued based on circumstance and privilege but just as easily on location.

There are many words and phrases used here in Northern Ireland that either have no meaning elsewhere or could be seen as offensive by others.

The simplest one that comes to mind is asking a woman if she would like a poke?

That could be misconstrued as a sexual approach while in reality it's an ice cream cone. "

Exactly. Even the style someone writes in also. What to him, was meant to be a joke comes across as aggressive or mean.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"spot on done all the time with me and always taken in the worst way like i say something nice but taken as being a cunt never when im being a cunt is it taken nice haha "

I have noticed it has happened many time to you. It's hard when people don't know you and only interpret your written words based on their experience of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It can also be misconstrued based on circumstance and privilege but just as easily on location.

There are many words and phrases used here in Northern Ireland that either have no meaning elsewhere or could be seen as offensive by others.

The simplest one that comes to mind is asking a woman if she would like a poke?

That could be misconstrued as a sexual approach while in reality it's an ice cream cone. "

im coming for a poke ive weakness for ice cream with an accent what are the cones like over there?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"How easily words can be misconstrued when it is written in ones own style but interpreted by another's experience.

Recently, I've been looking at threads and occasionally asking someone how they have interpreted a certain statement in a way that differed from mine. I asked out of curiosity but my asking alone seemed to trigger irritation, as if I was questioning their post and opinion.

Marie Antoinette was never recorded uttering these words attributed to her as an example of a callous and uncaring soul, but for the sake of an experiment, let me use them:

'Let them eat cake.'

How do you interpret those words and her meaning?

For me, at that time, sugar was an item reserved for the wealthy. That's why they ate cakes as par for the course and rarely bread, which was for the masses. If she is unfamiliar with the fact that cake is not the norm for everyone as it was for her, why wouldn't she say 'let them eat cake' because that would be 'normal', in her world? No bread? Then eat cake.

Would that be a reasonable assumption?

People are quick to pass judgement and condemn someone on their words. They'd probably jump all over her and pronounce her a callous cow for saying that when what she meant was simply, that there seems to be so much cake, why can't they eat cake if there is no bread left?"

I think most people would see it as her being so out of touch it wouldn't occur to her that cake wasn't available to the peasants.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think most people would see it as her being so out of touch it wouldn't occur to her that cake wasn't available to the peasants."

That is what the quote is trying to convey but was it what she meant?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"It can also be misconstrued based on circumstance and privilege but just as easily on location.

There are many words and phrases used here in Northern Ireland that either have no meaning elsewhere or could be seen as offensive by others.

The simplest one that comes to mind is asking a woman if she would like a poke?

That could be misconstrued as a sexual approach while in reality it's an ice cream cone.

im coming for a poke ive weakness for ice cream with an accent what are the cones like over there? "

Not a clue. I'm dairy intolerant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I very often ask for clarification of what people mean and they get huffy. In real life, not just on here.

Then they get huffy when I do something wrong because they explained craply!

Let them eat cowcake.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I very often ask for clarification of what people mean and they get huffy. In real life, not just on here.

Then they get huffy when I do something wrong because they explained craply!

Let them eat cowcake."

That is exactly what happens. Why is asking for clarification a challenge to their opinion? The worst being when you explain that you've read it differently and they give a sarcastic reply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I very often ask for clarification of what people mean and they get huffy. In real life, not just on here.

Then they get huffy when I do something wrong because they explained craply!

Let them eat cowcake.

That is exactly what happens. Why is asking for clarification a challenge to their opinion? The worst being when you explain that you've read it differently and they give a sarcastic reply."

They are offended because their explanation was shit. You or I asking for clarification highlights that fact and it makes them sad.

I am really crap at explaining anything without a diagram. My brain is pretty much total sawdust.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once broke up with a old girlfriend when I said “Shall we split” at a restaurant. I meant the bill, she meant the relationship. I didn’t correct her but I did leave first meaning I got a free meal out of it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I very often ask for clarification of what people mean and they get huffy. In real life, not just on here.

Then they get huffy when I do something wrong because they explained craply!

Let them eat cowcake.

That is exactly what happens. Why is asking for clarification a challenge to their opinion? The worst being when you explain that you've read it differently and they give a sarcastic reply.

They are offended because their explanation was shit. You or I asking for clarification highlights that fact and it makes them sad.

I am really crap at explaining anything without a diagram. My brain is pretty much total sawdust. "

You've explained that very well but may I ask for further clarification on this please? "because their explanation was shit."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I once broke up with a old girlfriend when I said “Shall we split” at a restaurant. I meant the bill, she meant the relationship. I didn’t correct her but I did leave first meaning I got a free meal out of it. "

Bastard

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It can also be misconstrued based on circumstance and privilege but just as easily on location.

There are many words and phrases used here in Northern Ireland that either have no meaning elsewhere or could be seen as offensive by others.

The simplest one that comes to mind is asking a woman if she would like a poke?

That could be misconstrued as a sexual approach while in reality it's an ice cream cone.

im coming for a poke ive weakness for ice cream with an accent what are the cones like over there?

Not a clue. I'm dairy intolerant "

Did you two resolve the ice cream issue?

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By *ack688Man
over a year ago

abruzzo Italy (and UK)

‘Cake’ was the nickname she had for her butler, she was saying that there was a surplus of food at Versailles and was instructing the staff to give food from the palace to the needy. But someone missed the comma, it should have been ‘let them eat, Cake’

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"It can also be misconstrued based on circumstance and privilege but just as easily on location.

There are many words and phrases used here in Northern Ireland that either have no meaning elsewhere or could be seen as offensive by others.

The simplest one that comes to mind is asking a woman if she would like a poke?

That could be misconstrued as a sexual approach while in reality it's an ice cream cone. "

Best keep it simple and ask a lady if she wants a ride instead.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"I think most people would see it as her being so out of touch it wouldn't occur to her that cake wasn't available to the peasants.

That is what the quote is trying to convey but was it what she meant?"

I don’t know if it’s what she meant, and it’s going to be hard to get clarification from her at this stage.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"‘Cake’ was the nickname she had for her butler, she was saying that there was a surplus of food at Versailles and was instructing the staff to give food from the palace to the needy. But someone missed the comma, it should have been ‘let them eat, Cake’"

There's a new interpretation. It's all about the grammar then?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think most people would see it as her being so out of touch it wouldn't occur to her that cake wasn't available to the peasants.

That is what the quote is trying to convey but was it what she meant?

I don’t know if it’s what she meant, and it’s going to be hard to get clarification from her at this stage. "

Yes, unfortunately, she lost her head.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Marie Antoinette never said let them eat cake. She said let them eat brioche

Bad translation

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

Far too many are quick to jump on others (and not in a good way) because of something they have posted in relation to a topic but they have taken it the wrong way or as an insult (which it was never intended to be).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Marie Antoinette never said let them eat cake. She said let them eat brioche

Bad translation "

There is no evidence she uttered these words at all but the original French was 'brioche', which was not an item readily available outside of France but not available to the masses either.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Far too many are quick to jump on others (and not in a good way) because of something they have posted in relation to a topic but they have taken it the wrong way or as an insult (which it was never intended to be)."

It seems to feed on itself also. If someone tries to explain that it wasn't the way they had read it, they get slaughtered. It doesn't give pause for consideration but the shouting down continues.

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Far too many are quick to jump on others (and not in a good way) because of something they have posted in relation to a topic but they have taken it the wrong way or as an insult (which it was never intended to be).

It seems to feed on itself also. If someone tries to explain that it wasn't the way they had read it, they get slaughtered. It doesn't give pause for consideration but the shouting down continues. "

thats why I've changed completely how I use the site now.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"Far too many are quick to jump on others (and not in a good way) because of something they have posted in relation to a topic but they have taken it the wrong way or as an insult (which it was never intended to be)."

I've seen this happen so many times when people take certain comments as personal insults even when the poster isn't addressing them and may not even be aware of who they are.

On the flip side I also laugh when people thank someone for a compliment they believe to be directed at them when once again it has nothing at all to do with them and is either for someone else or a generalisation.

What can be extremely obvious to most can often mean something completely different to the myopic personalities.

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Far too many are quick to jump on others (and not in a good way) because of something they have posted in relation to a topic but they have taken it the wrong way or as an insult (which it was never intended to be).

I've seen this happen so many times when people take certain comments as personal insults even when the poster isn't addressing them and may not even be aware of who they are.

On the flip side I also laugh when people thank someone for a compliment they believe to be directed at them when once again it has nothing at all to do with them and is either for someone else or a generalisation.

What can be extremely obvious to most can often mean something completely different to the myopic personalities. "

It's a shame it happens as the forums used to be fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Far too many are quick to jump on others (and not in a good way) because of something they have posted in relation to a topic but they have taken it the wrong way or as an insult (which it was never intended to be).

I've seen this happen so many times when people take certain comments as personal insults even when the poster isn't addressing them and may not even be aware of who they are.

On the flip side I also laugh when people thank someone for a compliment they believe to be directed at them when once again it has nothing at all to do with them and is either for someone else or a generalisation.

What can be extremely obvious to most can often mean something completely different to the myopic personalities. "

Thank you that's very kind.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Marie Antoinette never said let them eat cake. She said let them eat brioche

Bad translation "

Correct - which is enriched with butter and eggs..... and eaten at breakfast.

She never said it anyway. It was attributed to ' a princess' but was later given the facebook treatment and everyone believed it was true cos it became common knowlege.

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