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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? " Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach | |||
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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach" Don't you start on me Mrs!  | |||
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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach Don't you start on me Mrs! "Would I ??? pfffft ! | |||
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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach" I would agree with this from what I’ve seen here. I’d also add that I think people try and start discussions but often type what they think without thought or filter. This leads to poorly put together text leaving them massively open to the wrong interpretation of their thoughts. Then they get defensive and it spirals from there. | |||
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"I think it's hard to have valuable discussions in any forum because personally, a point I have can take more effort than it's worth to type out. Also, you have the problem with it being over text meaning things often get misconstrued "Precisely..... plus someone will post something totally irrelevant and irreverent slap bang in the middle of the thread.......Bistuds. | |||
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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach I would agree with this from what I’ve seen here. I’d also add that I think people try and start discussions but often type what they think without thought or filter. This leads to poorly put together text leaving them massively open to the wrong interpretation of their thoughts. Then they get defensive and it spirals from there. " Oh no it doesn't | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s " That's a good point. I always make a point to try and make my posts as neutral as possible without heavily leaning one way or another in case anyone takes offence. But I have got better at just not bothering and can post what I feel like. | |||
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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach I would agree with this from what I’ve seen here. I’d also add that I think people try and start discussions but often type what they think without thought or filter. This leads to poorly put together text leaving them massively open to the wrong interpretation of their thoughts. Then they get defensive and it spirals from there. Oh no it doesn't " Oh yes it does! | |||
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"Yesterday I asked someone for reasoning behind their beliefs. They only answered to insinuate that I was trying to bait them........ mindless. If they have no reason for what they believe they resort to shouting and crying. " It's a weird one ain't it. I go into a fair amount of detail when I'm discussing my experiences. I do this so people can gain understanding coz that's how we learn. It's how I learn. I wouldn't expect others to understand or accept my views without knowing the why. It's fundamental. | |||
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"Is it because if you have an opinion that goes against the opinion of someone else you're seen as trying to bait, argumentative or whatever? Oh yes. This also.... Good one Peach I would agree with this from what I’ve seen here. I’d also add that I think people try and start discussions but often type what they think without thought or filter. This leads to poorly put together text leaving them massively open to the wrong interpretation of their thoughts. Then they get defensive and it spirals from there. Oh no it doesn't Oh yes it does!" sensitive or what !  | |||
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"I think over lockdown it's been difficult for many. There are too many polarising opinions, and not enough listening even when they disagree with each other. I find too many want to blame others in simplistic and generalised ways. Like men are misogynistic, women have too much power on here. And use simple phrases like #notallmen or #benice to kill conversations. I'll happily discuss anything even if I have polar opposite opinions to you. In fact I find those conversations the most interesting. " #methree | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s " I see your point. There is (and always has been) a ‘perceived forum answer’ to many topics and woe betide anyone that doesn’t give the correct answer to certain topics. Perhaps in the current social climate, people are trepidatious about discussing topics for fear of losing potential meets. | |||
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"Yesterday I asked someone for reasoning behind their beliefs. They only answered to insinuate that I was trying to bait them........ mindless. If they have no reason for what they believe they resort to shouting and crying. It's a weird one ain't it. I go into a fair amount of detail when I'm discussing my experiences. I do this so people can gain understanding coz that's how we learn. It's how I learn. I wouldn't expect others to understand or accept my views without knowing the why. It's fundamental. " Oh, forgot my initial point 
I go into detail, but many people don't as it can be things they don't want to delve into for loads of reasons including pain, embarrassment, being seen differently, showing weakness bla bla bla | |||
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"I think over lockdown it's been difficult for many. There are too many polarising opinions, and not enough listening even when they disagree with each other. I find too many want to blame others in simplistic and generalised ways. Like men are misogynistic, women have too much power on here. And use simple phrases like #notallmen or #benice to kill conversations. I'll happily discuss anything even if I have polar opposite opinions to you. In fact I find those conversations the most interesting. " High 5 | |||
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"I think over lockdown it's been difficult for many. There are too many polarising opinions, and not enough listening even when they disagree with each other. I find too many want to blame others in simplistic and generalised ways. Like men are misogynistic, women have too much power on here. And use simple phrases like #notallmen or #benice to kill conversations. I'll happily discuss anything even if I have polar opposite opinions to you. In fact I find those conversations the most interesting. #methree" | |||
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"I think it's hard to have valuable discussions in any forum because personally, a point I have can take more effort than it's worth to type out. Also, you have the problem with it being over text meaning things often get misconstrued "Discussion is an effort, I’d say that it’s worth more than some of the stuff that gets posted though | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s " Preach brother..there is a definite forum Mafia. Why I just have fun and don't take it seriously at all. | |||
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"Because few people can actually debate calmly and agree to disagree. The more controversial the topic, the more inflamed emotions get. This has noticeably worsened with COVID with so many people on a short fuse. Ultimately, people might decide logging onto a sex site is for a pleasant escape from their daily lives and don't want more hassle....especially if real life is full of it." Understand that last point, however the people on here ARE real people, with real lives and real experiences that have shaped who and where they are in life. | |||
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"I'll say this now, people have lost the art of debating & conversation. It's a shame really as some of the best ideas & conversations have come from just that. " Most of the men here enjoy mass debating. | |||
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"I'll say this now, people have lost the art of debating & conversation. It's a shame really as some of the best ideas & conversations have come from just that. Most of the men here enjoy mass debating. " *badum tish" I'll give you that, well played, well played. | |||
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"I think it's hard to have valuable discussions in any forum because personally, a point I have can take more effort than it's worth to type out. Also, you have the problem with it being over text meaning things often get misconstrued
Discussion is an effort, I’d say that it’s worth more than some of the stuff that gets posted though"I agree. Maybe we should ask for a Dialogue thread. | |||
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"Yesterday I asked someone for reasoning behind their beliefs. They only answered to insinuate that I was trying to bait them........ mindless. If they have no reason for what they believe they resort to shouting and crying. " It does happen though and it’s always happened. Some see ‘why?’ as a challenge and get defensive. An opinion on social media at times is seen as sacred by some and not to be questioned | |||
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"I think it's hard to have valuable discussions in any forum because personally, a point I have can take more effort than it's worth to type out. Also, you have the problem with it being over text meaning things often get misconstrued
Discussion is an effort, I’d say that it’s worth more than some of the stuff that gets posted though"I agree, and if I care deeply about a subject, I will go to the effort of thinking about and crafting a response. It just doesn't happen often enough on here and prefer talking in person so I can guage the tone of where things are going and how far to push my point. | |||
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"SOMEONE HAD TO SAY IT ........ " And it exaggerated my crows feet as my lips changed from resting bitch face to a smirk. | |||
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"I'll say this now, people have lost the art of debating & conversation. It's a shame really as some of the best ideas & conversations have come from just that. Most of the men here enjoy mass debating. you set em up Jager........ you set em up
*badum tish" I'll give you that, well played, well played. " | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s " I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. | |||
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"I'll say this now, people have lost the art of debating & conversation. It's a shame really as some of the best ideas & conversations have come from just that. Most of the men here enjoy mass debating. you set em up Jager........ you set em up
*badum tish" I'll give you that, well played, well played. "I did laugh, needed that cheer up. so thank you.
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. " I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions | |||
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"I think over lockdown it's been difficult for many. There are too many polarising opinions, and not enough listening even when they disagree with each other. I find too many want to blame others in simplistic and generalised ways. Like men are misogynistic, women have too much power on here. And use simple phrases like #notallmen or #benice to kill conversations. I'll happily discuss anything even if I have polar opposite opinions to you. In fact I find those conversations the most interesting. " I agree with you on this. People are very quick to dismiss conversations and to label others as ‘ist’ terms, which serve to both inflate their argument and dismiss others. In my opinion, discussion and debate are learning tools and are healthy ways of sharing or information gathering | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions " No but I've been publicly called names and have to often defend myself from others. It's not a race to the bottom. Just highlighting it happens to women and couples as well as men. | |||
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"Because few people can actually debate calmly and agree to disagree. The more controversial the topic, the more inflamed emotions get. This has noticeably worsened with COVID with so many people on a short fuse. Ultimately, people might decide logging onto a sex site is for a pleasant escape from their daily lives and don't want more hassle....especially if real life is full of it." This is very true. My OP is based on my personal reflection of how the forums used to be vs how they are now. It makes me a little sad as to how things have changed in these terms | |||
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"I think over lockdown it's been difficult for many. There are too many polarising opinions, and not enough listening even when they disagree with each other. I find too many want to blame others in simplistic and generalised ways. Like men are misogynistic, women have too much power on here. And use simple phrases like #notallmen or #benice to kill conversations. I'll happily discuss anything even if I have polar opposite opinions to you. In fact I find those conversations the most interesting. I agree with you on this. People are very quick to dismiss conversations and to label others as ‘ist’ terms, which serve to both inflate their argument and dismiss others. In my opinion, discussion and debate are learning tools and are healthy ways of sharing or information gathering " I totally agree with you Tea, sometimes I think people want to shout so much they have it worse than everyone else, they forget to listen. Listening is a good skill to have, it aids better discussions. | |||
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"I'll say this now, people have lost the art of debating & conversation. It's a shame really as some of the best ideas & conversations have come from just that. Most of the men here enjoy mass debating. " I expected better of you Granny. Actually, no I didn’t | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s " Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing . | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No but I've been publicly called names and have to often defend myself from others. It's not a race to the bottom. Just highlighting it happens to women and couples as well as men. " I just think there’s a big difference when women and couples that don’t struggle with meets get shamed a little for things And when men that literally have to put their heart, soul, and so much time, into even getting a single meet on here, gets systematically ignored and segregated intentionally by an angry group of women who felt offended by his opinion on a forum It’s not to say they aren’t both happening, and they aren’t both bad But to even try to compare them is almost insulting | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s " Happens with men 2 especially on the virus forum! If u have a different opinion have been blocked by many on there through having a different opinion! X | |||
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"I think over lockdown it's been difficult for many. There are too many polarising opinions, and not enough listening even when they disagree with each other. I find too many want to blame others in simplistic and generalised ways. Like men are misogynistic, women have too much power on here. And use simple phrases like #notallmen or #benice to kill conversations. I'll happily discuss anything even if I have polar opposite opinions to you. In fact I find those conversations the most interesting. I agree with you on this. People are very quick to dismiss conversations and to label others as ‘ist’ terms, which serve to both inflate their argument and dismiss others. In my opinion, discussion and debate are learning tools and are healthy ways of sharing or information gathering I totally agree with you Tea, sometimes I think people want to shout so much they have it worse than everyone else, they forget to listen. Listening is a good skill to have, it aids better discussions. " It absolutely does. I think that that is part of the problem though, listening involves not talking about themselves for a minute and paying attention to something that doesn’t involve them… | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions " No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Happens with men 2 especially on the virus forum! If u have a different opinion have been blocked by many on there through having a different opinion! X" Does it stop you speaking your truth ? | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing . "I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. " I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No but I've been publicly called names and have to often defend myself from others. It's not a race to the bottom. Just highlighting it happens to women and couples as well as men. I just think there’s a big difference when women and couples that don’t struggle with meets get shamed a little for things And when men that literally have to put their heart, soul, and so much time, into even getting a single meet on here, gets systematically ignored and segregated intentionally by an angry group of women who felt offended by his opinion on a forum It’s not to say they aren’t both happening, and they aren’t both bad But to even try to compare them is almost insulting " Can't you see how you are trying to close down my discussion with you? You've not asked my experience or what has been said. You've presumed it's something trifling and unimportant. That your experience is worse than mine. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Happens with men 2 especially on the virus forum! If u have a different opinion have been blocked by many on there through having a different opinion! X Does it stop you speaking your truth ?" No not at all x | |||
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"I'll say this now, people have lost the art of debating & conversation. It's a shame really as some of the best ideas & conversations have come from just that. Most of the men here enjoy mass debating. I expected better of you Granny. Actually, no I didn’t "Just as well really. I'm that way out this morning. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Happens with men 2 especially on the virus forum! If u have a different opinion have been blocked by many on there through having a different opinion! X Does it stop you speaking your truth ? No not at all x" | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages." I think i'd discover it's two people bitching to each other at no more an alarming rate than they do at work or in the pub. I'd ask why someone showed you messages... what was their motive ? | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages." As much as I recognise your frustration and ire on this topic, I feel that we’re straying into a separate argument on your experience of the site and your personal axe to sharpen regarding perceived disproportionate power and gender politics. Can we get back to the topic please? | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. I think i'd discover it's two people bitching to each other at no more an alarming rate than they do at work or in the pub. I'd ask why someone showed you messages... what was their motive ?" A few kik groups were discovered of women on here doing exactly as I’d written. Someone took screenshots to prove it’s happening. It’s not the CIA, doesn’t take much for a woman within the group to think what they are doing is disgusting and screenshot it Or in this instance, a guy disguised as one | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me
Tar me with whatever brush you like. *shrugs*
Attempting to be appealing to as many as possible only leads to being mediocre to many. "As Shakespeare wrote “Aye and there’s the rub.” There is always a catch to trying to be all things to all people. I’d rather be liked by a few for being me than liked by many for trying to be what I think they want | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions " do you remember which thread these are as below often see this when the attitude stinks. Often its the "no reply, people are rude" type threads. If people are withholding views because they fear someone won't sleep with them, thats not a good look for a guy. I spend way to much time in the more controversial threads and if I say something that gets me blocked then so be it. I wouldn't want to meet anyone who doesn't want to meet me because I disagree with them. Hiding parts of yourself is only one step away from white knighting. It's simping by stealth (if I'm using the right terms here). | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me "Except you said female crew ? | |||
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Discussion is an effort, I’d say that it’s worth more than some of the stuff that gets posted though
I agree, and if I care deeply about a subject, I will go to the effort of thinking about and crafting a response. It just doesn't happen often enough on here and prefer talking in person so I can guage the tone of where things are going and how far to push my point."I agree with this; I remember the forum differently my last time here, but I find trying to keep pace with typed debate difficult, by the time I've articulated my thoughts, I'm five minutes behind the discussion and have more to add! So I tend to stick to one off comments, wise cracks and throwaway nonesense and keep the reasoned conversation and debate for conversation | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions do you remember which thread these are as below often see this when the attitude stinks. Often its the "no reply, people are rude" type threads. If people are withholding views because they fear someone won't sleep with them, thats not a good look for a guy. I spend way to much time in the more controversial threads and if I say something that gets me blocked then so be it. I wouldn't want to meet anyone who doesn't want to meet me because I disagree with them. Hiding parts of yourself is only one step away from white knighting. It's simping by stealth (if I'm using the right terms here). " Stealth simping Stealing that one! | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me
Tar me with whatever brush you like. *shrugs*
Attempting to be appealing to as many as possible only leads to being mediocre to many.
As Shakespeare wrote “Aye and there’s the rub.”
There is always a catch to trying to be all things to all people. I’d rather be liked by a few for being me than liked by many for trying to be what I think they want"The reality is more liked by a few for being you rather than tolerable but mediocre to many for trying to be all things. You can never do all things well. | |||
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"I think it's hard to have valuable discussions in any forum because personally, a point I have can take more effort than it's worth to type out. Also, you have the problem with it being over text meaning things often get misconstrued
Discussion is an effort, I’d say that it’s worth more than some of the stuff that gets posted though
I agree, and if I care deeply about a subject, I will go to the effort of thinking about and crafting a response. It just doesn't happen often enough on here and prefer talking in person so I can guage the tone of where things are going and how far to push my point.
I agree with this; I remember the forum differently my last time here, but I find trying to keep pace with typed debate difficult, by the time I've articulated my thoughts, I'm five minutes behind the discussion and have more to add!
So I tend to stick to one off comments, wise cracks and throwaway nonesense and keep the reasoned conversation and debate for conversation"That’s a fair reason. In my opinion I find that the throwaway nonsense has its place but the forums are full of threads full of them. People are rarely even replying and quoting at the moment even, unless it’s to agree with a hot lady/guy. It’s all about balance | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me
Tar me with whatever brush you like. *shrugs*
Attempting to be appealing to as many as possible only leads to being mediocre to many.
As Shakespeare wrote “Aye and there’s the rub.”
There is always a catch to trying to be all things to all people. I’d rather be liked by a few for being me than liked by many for trying to be what I think they want
The reality is more liked by a few for being you rather than tolerable but mediocre to many for trying to be all things. You can never do all things well. "You’ve never met me!
I agree with you on your points, at the risk of inviting ire for agreeing!
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s Meh, yes men who agree with whatever I say are a turn off. Especially as its very obvious that they actually don't and are just pretending to get what they want. I actually enjoy a debate, it's a turn on to meet someone who makes you think and introduces you to new perspectives and ideas. I've met someone from here precisely because they posted a lot of thought provoking content. I didn't always agree with it but he was interesting. You can keep waving around that enormous brush though. We all know women are a homogeneous group that all want the same thing .
I thought my use of the word “crew” kinda depicted the idea that it wasn’t all women, and instead a certain type or crew from the forum specifically that do that
So don’t use the old “stop tarring us all with the same brush” on me
Tar me with whatever brush you like. *shrugs*
Attempting to be appealing to as many as possible only leads to being mediocre to many.
As Shakespeare wrote “Aye and there’s the rub.”
There is always a catch to trying to be all things to all people. I’d rather be liked by a few for being me than liked by many for trying to be what I think they want
The reality is more liked by a few for being you rather than tolerable but mediocre to many for trying to be all things. You can never do all things well.
You’ve never met me!
I agree with you on your points, at the risk of inviting ire for agreeing!
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"People don’t seem to discuss or debate topics or matters anymore on the forums, instead preferring to post information. This leaves threads to be filled up with isolated comments Do you think that this is true, if so, why? Discuss…" Only people can change this, but rather just moan about and do nothing. I have always said the forums could be soo much more and consistently and such be constantly vilified for it. Once again the forums are about popularity, attention, adoration, exoneration and validation. Nothing more. Now I don't FF really basically threads are mist part just purile. Steps off soap box for final time. | |||
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"I’ve found the forums to be a bit odd lately. Well, more odd than normal…. Disagreements and the word incel being bandied about can really kill a vibe." I'd like to see you do the occasional thread. Except when you're banging on about big dick action your posts are invariably thought provoking. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. I think i'd discover it's two people bitching to each other at no more an alarming rate than they do at work or in the pub. I'd ask why someone showed you messages... what was their motive ? A few kik groups were discovered of women on here doing exactly as I’d written. Someone took screenshots to prove it’s happening. It’s not the CIA, doesn’t take much for a woman within the group to think what they are doing is disgusting and screenshot it Or in this instance, a guy disguised as one " people would be surprised, it's happening. | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends!" A perfect reason to not be an Op and mostly lurk and observe. | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends!" I generally find that derailing and arguing semantics are tools used to dismiss others. Debating and discussion are skills that many simply don’t want to engage in and presenting opinions as fact is a common issue. I understand that it’s not for everyone but I also think that discussing topics, especially ones that people don’t understand or can be seen as taboo by some, is a vital part of increasing awareness and something that the forums used to be very good for, as well as daft funny topics | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends! I generally find that derailing and arguing semantics are tools used to dismiss others. Debating and discussion are skills that many simply don’t want to engage in and presenting opinions as fact is a common issue. I understand that it’s not for everyone but I also think that discussing topics, especially ones that people don’t understand or can be seen as taboo by some, is a vital part of increasing awareness and something that the forums used to be very good for, as well as daft funny topics" Exactly this, I’ve learned a lot from some of the discussion on here where people are being civil. | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends! I generally find that derailing and arguing semantics are tools used to dismiss others. Debating and discussion are skills that many simply don’t want to engage in and presenting opinions as fact is a common issue. I understand that it’s not for everyone but I also think that discussing topics, especially ones that people don’t understand or can be seen as taboo by some, is a vital part of increasing awareness and something that the forums used to be very good for, as well as daft funny topics Exactly this, I’ve learned a lot from some of the discussion on here where people are being civil. " I have as well. In general I also realised that it takes two people to have an argument as well. That’s not a criticism of you, just a realisation from a long time ago | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends! I generally find that derailing and arguing semantics are tools used to dismiss others. Debating and discussion are skills that many simply don’t want to engage in and presenting opinions as fact is a common issue. I understand that it’s not for everyone but I also think that discussing topics, especially ones that people don’t understand or can be seen as taboo by some, is a vital part of increasing awareness and something that the forums used to be very good for, as well as daft funny topics" But can a topic be successfully debated/discussed in written form only? Having said that i am not quick thinking enough to debate in person, my brain goes blank and i get tongue tied.. I'm also overly cautious about hurting someone's feelings so usually go softer on my view than i actually feel which leaves me very dissatisfied | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends! I generally find that derailing and arguing semantics are tools used to dismiss others. Debating and discussion are skills that many simply don’t want to engage in and presenting opinions as fact is a common issue. I understand that it’s not for everyone but I also think that discussing topics, especially ones that people don’t understand or can be seen as taboo by some, is a vital part of increasing awareness and something that the forums used to be very good for, as well as daft funny topics Exactly this, I’ve learned a lot from some of the discussion on here where people are being civil. " We don't have to agree... But we understand and hopefully store the conversation in our memory banks for a time when we have a similar experience and perhaps reach a different conclusion | |||
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"I think debate via written word on a forum is very difficult.. You miss the nuances of tone and body language. Sometimes the authors inability to get across their point succinctly and meaningfully leads to arguments around dictionary definitions or derailment of the topic. So many spout utter tosh.. Debate quickly disintegrates and posters become defensice, resorting to mud slinging and name calling.. if more people recognised this is the 'truth from my perspective' and invited consideration of others experiences it would be a more beneficial experience Also fab threads are plagued with people making flippant comments or flirting or completely taking it off topic Often good responses are missed /unacknowledged... and i think the sheer effort of typing longer replies makes many prefer to go with the FAF option There is also so much judgement of others on here.. People take their own interpretation, add their conscious +unc*nscious bias, mix it with their right to be offended and then unleash.. Rather than probe + build - is this what you meant.. This was my interpretation... test, reset The OP is usually overwhelmed with the unravelling ends! I generally find that derailing and arguing semantics are tools used to dismiss others. Debating and discussion are skills that many simply don’t want to engage in and presenting opinions as fact is a common issue. I understand that it’s not for everyone but I also think that discussing topics, especially ones that people don’t understand or can be seen as taboo by some, is a vital part of increasing awareness and something that the forums used to be very good for, as well as daft funny topics But can a topic be successfully debated/discussed in written form only? Having said that i am not quick thinking enough to debate in person, my brain goes blank and i get tongue tied.. I'm also overly cautious about hurting someone's feelings so usually go softer on my view than i actually feel which leaves me very dissatisfied " Yes, it absolutely can. I have done so many times on here. Tone and content can sometimes be a problem but I’ve found that so long as I contextualise my comments and explain myself clearly, there can be informative discussion. It’s about intent as much as anything. I’ve never felt the need to pull punches if the need arises, which is probably one of the reasons why I’ve met so few people | |||
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"Generally because the vast majority of the time you just come across the most uninformed idiotic shite being laid down as fact. " | |||
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"I think it is possible to have a decent enough dialogue ( debate is not for me ) via text. I am guarded about what i say online and much prefer a dialogue face to face where learning is pooled. " I like pooled learning experiences  i think it is easier for a facilitated group to explore different experiences and change their opinions and be open to different views than individuals who perhaps feel that they are personally being attacked and become entrenched in views that even they do not wholeheartedly support... But will defend to the death once they feel cornered! | |||
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"Generally because the vast majority of the time you just come across the most uninformed idiotic shite being laid down as fact. " This is a big one too Take a covid example. Someone just says “you know your more likely to catch covid if you have the vaccine” The effort it takes to unravel that. To find the evidence, to type it all up, to check your sources. It took them 5 seconds to type that. You’ll invent 10 minutes to refute it, to only be met with another 5 second abomination of a reply. It’s tough | |||
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"Generally because the vast majority of the time you just come across the most uninformed idiotic shite being laid down as fact. This is a big one too Take a covid example. Someone just says “you know your more likely to catch covid if you have the vaccine” The effort it takes to unravel that. To find the evidence, to type it all up, to check your sources. It took them 5 seconds to type that. You’ll invent 10 minutes to refute it, to only be met with another 5 second abomination of a reply. It’s tough " Plus can you really be arsed going to battle with a stranger you don't care about and will likely never meet over a comment they made that will be lost in the millions of other thoughts and word vomit | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. As much as I recognise your frustration and ire on this topic, I feel that we’re straying into a separate argument on your experience of the site and your personal axe to sharpen regarding perceived disproportionate power and gender politics. Can we get back to the topic please? " I would say it is still on topic. He is talking about why he thinks discussion doesn't always happen What he is saying does happen, according to women who have mentioned this on the forum many times, there are groups of women who talk and warn other women about men for whatever reasons so that could bring people onto the forum posting what they think people want to hear rather than what they think, which in turn dumbs down discussions | |||
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" I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions " That's just kik bait. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. As much as I recognise your frustration and ire on this topic, I feel that we’re straying into a separate argument on your experience of the site and your personal axe to sharpen regarding perceived disproportionate power and gender politics. Can we get back to the topic please? I would say it is still on topic. He is talking about why he thinks discussion doesn't always happen What he is saying does happen, according to women who have mentioned this on the forum many times, there are groups of women who talk and warn other women about men for whatever reasons so that could bring people onto the forum posting what they think people want to hear rather than what they think, which in turn dumbs down discussions" I was gonna say that but I thought the irony of a discussion on why discussion happens less here with the OP telling an on-topic comment was off topic and that we need to get back to the topic wad too funny to bother discussing | |||
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"Generally because the vast majority of the time you just come across the most uninformed idiotic shite being laid down as fact.
But what did you REALLY think Granny "Uhmmmmm I think I need to work a little more on the tact and diplomacy | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. As much as I recognise your frustration and ire on this topic, I feel that we’re straying into a separate argument on your experience of the site and your personal axe to sharpen regarding perceived disproportionate power and gender politics. Can we get back to the topic please? I would say it is still on topic. He is talking about why he thinks discussion doesn't always happen What he is saying does happen, according to women who have mentioned this on the forum many times, there are groups of women who talk and warn other women about men for whatever reasons so that could bring people onto the forum posting what they think people want to hear rather than what they think, which in turn dumbs down discussions I was gonna say that but I thought the irony of a discussion on why discussion happens less here with the OP telling an on-topic comment was off topic and that we need to get back to the topic wad too funny to bother discussing " People talk. ALL people talk. It's not a bad thing to warn people of bad 'other's what ever the gender. It shouldn't be inflated to suit ..... and I don't believe it's anymore prevalent than it is in general. When there wasn't FAB there was AOL or Global or ICQ , or pagers , landlines, letters, pigeons, garden gates, cans on string....... smoke signals...... People talk. Sometimes people benefit from a bit of wing clipping. | |||
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"Because this place is terrible for jumping on and shaming people who have the wrong opinion This is especially bad for men, because the “well I know who I’m not meeting” female crew come out, basically using the threat if withholding access to sex as a bargaining chip, instead of using their brain to discuss the topic Then endless white knights jump in too There’s too much at stake to lose for some guys actually discussing a topic if their opinions doesn’t line up with everyone else’s I've been shouted down and massively shamed for some of the kinks I hold. And I've probably had more abuse over it than you can imagine. It's not a man problem it's a collective forum problem. I doubt groups of men have gathered in a formal manner and voted on making sure you get no attention on here due to a disagreement in the forums. Groups of women will absolutely do that on here to men that don’t bow down to their opinions No women with hold sex from men because of what they say on the forum. The men don't own the women. No women gather in a formal manner and cross men off a list of fuckables because of something he said or disagreed with. Any man who witholds his beliefs because he's fanny whipped is a fool to himself. I think you’d be surprised. I’ve seen the messages. As much as I recognise your frustration and ire on this topic, I feel that we’re straying into a separate argument on your experience of the site and your personal axe to sharpen regarding perceived disproportionate power and gender politics. Can we get back to the topic please? I would say it is still on topic. He is talking about why he thinks discussion doesn't always happen What he is saying does happen, according to women who have mentioned this on the forum many times, there are groups of women who talk and warn other women about men for whatever reasons so that could bring people onto the forum posting what they think people want to hear rather than what they think, which in turn dumbs down discussions I was gonna say that but I thought the irony of a discussion on why discussion happens less here with the OP telling an on-topic comment was off topic and that we need to get back to the topic wad too funny to bother discussing " It was more about seeing the rabbit hole that I saw you heading down and gently trying to steer it away, than actually an off topic comment. I was trying to be tactful and avoid argument but I guess that was missed | |||
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"Personally, I love a good debate, it's fantastic exercise for the mind, and you might just learn something new. But on here, especially lately? Nah, I can't be bothered...a lot of people seem to see a differing opinion as a personal attack,and you see so many 'ists' being thrown about it's unreal. Plus I've had some really rather unpleasant things said about me because of opinions that I've voiced on here, which really doesn't bother me (sticks and stones and all that, and usually just confirms my less than favourable impression of the person doing the name calling), but it adds a kind of meh-ness to something that I otherwise enjoy. I'll leave the debating to when I'm amongst friends, and I'll leave the forums to the plethora of 'user below' threads " I think that people seem to see an alternative opinion or being told that their opinion is ‘wrong’ is a personal attack and react with anger, rather than substantive reasons. It’s not just here, it seems to be most forms of social media now which has spilled into fab. I do wonder, if a person can’t explain why they hold certain opinions or how they reason certain arguments and react with anger at challenge, how they manage in day to day life | |||
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"People don’t seem to discuss or debate topics or matters anymore on the forums, instead preferring to post information. This leaves threads to be filled up with isolated comments Do you think that this is true, if so, why? Discuss…" Because lots of people seem to take it as a personal slight on them when you don’t agree with them, heaven forbid someone should have a different opinion, also everything has become so polarised, you’re either on one side or the other, when most topics are nuanced and there’s not usually a definitive answer. I can usually predict what certain people will say on topics and it makes me think they lack critical thinking and are just spouting what they think the correct line is, they just regurgitating what they’ve been spoon fed, because if their actual opinion doesn’t fit the status quo then they’re in danger of wrong think and being Ostracised. | |||
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"People don’t seem to discuss or debate topics or matters anymore on the forums, instead preferring to post information. This leaves threads to be filled up with isolated comments Do you think that this is true, if so, why? Discuss… Because lots of people seem to take it as a personal slight on them when you don’t agree with them, heaven forbid someone should have a different opinion, also everything has become so polarised, you’re either on one side or the other, when most topics are nuanced and there’s not usually a definitive answer. I can usually predict what certain people will say on topics and it makes me think they lack critical thinking and are just spouting what they think the correct line is, they just regurgitating what they’ve been spoon fed, because if their actual opinion doesn’t fit the status quo then they’re in danger of wrong think and being Ostrichised." A lot have got their heads in the sand for sure. | |||
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"Personally, I love a good debate, it's fantastic exercise for the mind, and you might just learn something new. But on here, especially lately? Nah, I can't be bothered...a lot of people seem to see a differing opinion as a personal attack,and you see so many 'ists' being thrown about it's unreal. Plus I've had some really rather unpleasant things said about me because of opinions that I've voiced on here, which really doesn't bother me (sticks and stones and all that, and usually just confirms my less than favourable impression of the person doing the name calling), but it adds a kind of meh-ness to something that I otherwise enjoy. I'll leave the debating to when I'm amongst friends, and I'll leave the forums to the plethora of 'user below' threads " Yep I'm of similar opinion to the above and so I actively avoid anything too much like a debate. Add in the fallacies people are fond of falling back on (ad hominem more than others), the fact that one or two daft comments lead to more jumping in with and  rather than PMing each other and for the most part, I can't be arsed. | |||
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"Lets be honest, forums are simply one-upmanship, pissing contest. Everyone trying to outdo everyone else. Whether it blatent or under disguise thinking others are too stupid to notice. People agree with others even though they don't actully hold the opinions or viewpoint and jump on bandwagons thinking it will engraciate them with others, those others love it. They try and do what they think are smart posts which are simply just about dissing others . It is the same in chat, but nothing ever changes. People like to moan but it is usually everyone else is to blame and not them do nothing. People have refered to the backroom dissing, the FAB hatevine, which many have been subjected to. Agree or not agree doesn't matter really whith the popularity threads poster above/below, fab me etc. Same people playing kiss chase throughout the forums. The threads created to simply show off publicly how popular they are. All very juvenile, but hey ho "You didn’t actually answer the question… | |||
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"Lets be honest, forums are simply one-upmanship, pissing contest. Everyone trying to outdo everyone else. Whether it blatent or under disguise thinking others are too stupid to notice. People agree with others even though they don't actully hold the opinions or viewpoint and jump on bandwagons thinking it will engraciate them with others, those others love it. They try and do what they think are smart posts which are simply just about dissing others . It is the same in chat, but nothing ever changes. People like to moan but it is usually everyone else is to blame and not them do nothing. People have refered to the backroom dissing, the FAB hatevine, which many have been subjected to. Agree or not agree doesn't matter really whith the popularity threads poster above/below, fab me etc. Same people playing kiss chase throughout the forums. The threads created to simply show off publicly how popular they are. All very juvenile, but hey ho "I don't think that's all the forums are - there can be genuine, helpful threads or silly ones just for the fun of being silly. I'd agree with the latter paragraph though and that's not me trying to erm... ingratiate myself with you. | |||
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"Lets be honest, forums are simply one-upmanship, pissing contest. Everyone trying to outdo everyone else. Whether it blatent or under disguise thinking others are too stupid to notice. People agree with others even though they don't actully hold the opinions or viewpoint and jump on bandwagons thinking it will engraciate them with others, those others love it. They try and do what they think are smart posts which are simply just about dissing others . It is the same in chat, but nothing ever changes. People like to moan but it is usually everyone else is to blame and not them do nothing. People have refered to the backroom dissing, the FAB hatevine, which many have been subjected to. Agree or not agree doesn't matter really whith the popularity threads poster above/below, fab me etc. Same people playing kiss chase throughout the forums. The threads created to simply show off publicly how popular they are. All very juvenile, but hey ho
I don't think that's all the forums are - there can be genuine, helpful threads or silly ones just for the fun of being silly.
I'd agree with the latter paragraph though and that's not me trying to erm... ingratiate myself with you. "Think people kid themselves they are more than they are, because people don't want to admit they are part of the problem. One thing I have constantly maintained is they could be more than they are. But like all these threads it will either die or reach closing point and then be forgotten and then back to business as usual, playing kiss chase and trumps. Again that is just an opinion and most likely ignored anyway | |||
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"Lets be honest, forums are simply one-upmanship, pissing contest. Everyone trying to outdo everyone else. Whether it blatent or under disguise thinking others are too stupid to notice. People agree with others even though they don't actully hold the opinions or viewpoint and jump on bandwagons thinking it will engraciate them with others, those others love it. They try and do what they think are smart posts which are simply just about dissing others . It is the same in chat, but nothing ever changes. People like to moan but it is usually everyone else is to blame and not them do nothing. People have refered to the backroom dissing, the FAB hatevine, which many have been subjected to. Agree or not agree doesn't matter really whith the popularity threads poster above/below, fab me etc. Same people playing kiss chase throughout the forums. The threads created to simply show off publicly how popular they are. All very juvenile, but hey ho "Think you’re projecting somewhat. | |||
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"Lets be honest, forums are simply one-upmanship, pissing contest. Everyone trying to outdo everyone else. Whether it blatent or under disguise thinking others are too stupid to notice. People agree with others even though they don't actully hold the opinions or viewpoint and jump on bandwagons thinking it will engraciate them with others, those others love it. They try and do what they think are smart posts which are simply just about dissing others . It is the same in chat, but nothing ever changes. People like to moan but it is usually everyone else is to blame and not them do nothing. People have refered to the backroom dissing, the FAB hatevine, which many have been subjected to. Agree or not agree doesn't matter really whith the popularity threads poster above/below, fab me etc. Same people playing kiss chase throughout the forums. The threads created to simply show off publicly how popular they are. All very juvenile, but hey ho
Think you’re projecting somewhat."Of course I am, taking unwanted traits i dont like about myself and atributing them to others. QED | |||
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"Generally because the vast majority of the time you just come across the most uninformed idiotic shite being laid down as fact. " I think we are all guilty of that. There are many on here whose opinions I genuinely respect but who have posted stuff that I know for a fact is wrong but to debate it would either derail the thread, miss the bigger point you're trying to make or simply take too much effort. I am absolutely certain I am guilty of this for a start. Mr | |||
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"I agree with lots of the good stuff said above! We do seem more set up to become offended in written online type communication. It is a very blunt way to receive an idea you can just read the words written on a screen and have no other clue to context. Its hard to then clarify what you mean as 20 people have jumped on and called you a total bastard, then you get offended and would rather defend than try to further the conversation. It can all become a bit of an effort and then the post hits 175 and its all over. And only then do all the things you really wanted to say and discuss pop into your head, so you just have to fight it out in your own head instead " | |||
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