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"People typically say saffron but I just bought 10g for 25 dollars and it will last 3 months " it never fails to amaze me what people like tk waste their money on | |||
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"So contrasting CJ’s thread about what’s surprisingly cheap… I simply had to… what do you think annoyingly expensive? You can make it as ordinary as you can… like a smoothie or a fruit juice at a local cafe (£5.95 around here) to something more elaborate I have a few … I am sooo surprised and annoyed at how expensive private medications cost and generally going private… jeez, you kinda get what you pay for at your time but still. EXPENSIVE EXPENSIVE Also, hairdressers round here, extortionate. I wanna cry every time … " You can pickup all private prescriptions from Asda now and they don’t rinse you like most pharmacy with a fee, they charge the cost only. I got a sleeping pill for a flight last week and they changed me just £2.80, cheaper than an NHS prescription! | |||
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"Train fares. It really shouldn't be cheaper to drive than take the train. " This drives me nuts . I travel up from Cornwall a lot ..160 quid return... Humph... | |||
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"Train fares. It really shouldn't be cheaper to drive than take the train. " This! We priced up going to Scotland for a long weekend and it was cheaper to fly than get the train. Even including Taxi transfers each end. Crazy. | |||
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"Council tax. Total rip off for what services we receive." they take your bins once a week, and kindly leave them in the middle of your dropped curb.. What more do you want? | |||
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"Train fares. It really shouldn't be cheaper to drive than take the train. This! We priced up going to Scotland for a long weekend and it was cheaper to fly than get the train. Even including Taxi transfers each end. Crazy. " That’s insane!!! X I don’t seem to understand why trains are so expensive compared to flights | |||
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"Nearly every building material, especially drainage and insulation. " Literally no idea what you are talking about x | |||
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"Double whopper meals." Would rather eat a wank sock | |||
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"Nearly every building material, especially drainage and insulation. Literally no idea what you are talking about x " basically b&q | |||
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"Literally fucking everything. Just being alive costs too much. " Better than the alternative though. | |||
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"In all seriousness, good quality condoms are becoming expensive! " 43p a fuck | |||
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"Council tax. Total rip off for what services we receive." You should try living in Derby, dunno what kind of drugs they're on when they come up with some of their weird schemes | |||
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"Literally fucking everything. Just being alive costs too much. " Well, you know what they say: Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. | |||
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"Dentistry. " Unless you're in Scotland (and you're under 25 ) | |||
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"I sense some resentment for the Scots " No. Just envy. | |||
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"Camera lenses Tickets to football matches " Also, Caramel Digestives | |||
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"Tickets to football matches " They pay you to go and watch Nottingham F****t | |||
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"In all seriousness, good quality condoms are becoming expensive! 43p a fuck " Skyns are a pound a pop now | |||
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"Camera lenses Tickets to football matches Also, Caramel Digestives " This is true. I’m waiting for a BOGOF | |||
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"Tickets to football matches They pay you to go and watch Nottingham F****t " Haha Cheltenham Town is £26 these days | |||
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"Parking in Edinburgh. It's actually cheaper to get a ticket than it is to pay for the day! " £10 for an hour im Birmingham more then the minimum wage, how's that actually make any sense? | |||
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"School uniforms " ^^^This. And David Lloyd gym membership | |||
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"So contrasting CJ’s thread about what’s surprisingly cheap… I simply had to… what do you think annoyingly expensive? You can make it as ordinary as you can… like a smoothie or a fruit juice at a local cafe (£5.95 around here) to something more elaborate I have a few … I am sooo surprised and annoyed at how expensive private medications cost and generally going private… jeez, you kinda get what you pay for at your time but still. EXPENSIVE EXPENSIVE Also, hairdressers round here, extortionate. I wanna cry every time … " Its funny you talk about hairdresser. I haven't been to a barber since December 2019. All thanks to a 360 mirror | |||
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"Holidays during school hols" Supply and demand in a free market capitalist society. At least you are enrichening the providers and delivering shareholder value and dividends, making others wealthy and keeping them in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Or vote with your wallet and don't play that game. You have a choice. | |||
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"Holidays during school hols Supply and demand in a free market capitalist society. At least you are enrichening the providers and delivering shareholder value and dividends, making others wealthy and keeping them in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Or vote with your wallet and don't play that game. You have a choice." I don't participate | |||
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"I don't participate" Very wise and pragmatic | |||
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"#1: Women hair/nail salons. #2: fucking saffron! Omg. " Yes to these. Especially #1! Some take the piss x | |||
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"Snacks at the cinema.. outrageous" TOTES!!! I may have snuck in the odd haribos from Sainsbs | |||
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"Timber. No idea why as it grows on trees !! " Bad yield in the last couple of years. Pulp prices are going up too. | |||
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"Loo rolls Razor blades Men's towels" Loo roll is usually on bogof! I get old fashioned razors at £1 for a pack of 10. If your razor is a good one then your quids in. Mine is a Gillette "Fatboy" from circa 1965. 9 settings on it. | |||
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"Flumps, they're like 35p now! And fudge bars. They used to be 10p and easy to keep the small people quiet with. " Freddos are 25p now! When are we going to put a stop to the madness?! | |||
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"Double whopper meals. Would rather eat a wank sock " But would you pay £7.49 to do so? | |||
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"Flumps, they're like 35p now! And fudge bars. They used to be 10p and easy to keep the small people quiet with. " You can't put a price on peace | |||
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"Flumps, they're like 35p now! And fudge bars. They used to be 10p and easy to keep the small people quiet with. You can't put a price on peace " Oh you're so for it now! **orders most expensive strap on** | |||
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"Apple MacBooks. I need to replace mine but lordy the prices make my eyes water. " Surly it made your eyes water the first time around too? I'm just going to close my eyes when I upgrade mine soon. | |||
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"Flumps, they're like 35p now! And fudge bars. They used to be 10p and easy to keep the small people quiet with. You can't put a price on peace Oh you're so for it now! **orders most expensive strap on**" If it's a strap-on flump, that's going to be the most ineffective pegging accessory ever. | |||
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"Vets I feel you " They're worth the money, but ouch! | |||
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"Council tax. Total rip off for what services we receive.they take your bins once a week, and kindly leave them in the middle of your dropped curb.. What more do you want? " There's actually a lot more to it than that! We get an information pack each April with how your money is spent | |||
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"Council tax. Total rip off for what services we receive.they take your bins once a week, and kindly leave them in the middle of your dropped curb.. What more do you want? There's actually a lot more to it than that! We get an information pack each April with how your money is spent " Mine even now sends paperwork out to charge me for collecting the green waste | |||
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"Apple MacBooks. I need to replace mine but lordy the prices make my eyes water. " So good though. Think I've heard the fan kick in once with the apple chips in, and I've had it since December. | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)" I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure " We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. " still don't get why it should be free | |||
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"So contrasting CJ’s thread about what’s surprisingly cheap… I simply had to… what do you think annoyingly expensive? You can make it as ordinary as you can… like a smoothie or a fruit juice at a local cafe (£5.95 around here) to something more elaborate I have a few … I am sooo surprised and annoyed at how expensive private medications cost and generally going private… jeez, you kinda get what you pay for at your time but still. EXPENSIVE EXPENSIVE Also, hairdressers round here, extortionate. I wanna cry every time … You can pickup all private prescriptions from Asda now and they don’t rinse you like most pharmacy with a fee, they charge the cost only. I got a sleeping pill for a flight last week and they changed me just £2.80, cheaper than an NHS prescription! " How much did the Doctor's appointment cost? | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. still don't get why it should be free" Because it's a cost that cannot be avoided that only women have to fund. I struggle to think of anything else where it is unavoidable for one gender to pay for something every month/week/year etc. And no, razors do not count. It is optional to remove facial or other hair but not optional to bleed down your leg and leave blood clots on the floor of Asda. | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. still don't get why it should be free Because it's a cost that cannot be avoided that only women have to fund. I struggle to think of anything else where it is unavoidable for one gender to pay for something every month/week/year etc. And no, razors do not count. It is optional to remove facial or other hair but not optional to bleed down your leg and leave blood clots on the floor of Asda." That's just life though surely, you can get a pack of like 8 period pads for 50p | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. still don't get why it should be free Because it's a cost that cannot be avoided that only women have to fund. I struggle to think of anything else where it is unavoidable for one gender to pay for something every month/week/year etc. And no, razors do not count. It is optional to remove facial or other hair but not optional to bleed down your leg and leave blood clots on the floor of Asda. That's just life though surely, you can get a pack of like 8 period pads for 50p " Yeah period pads don’t cut it when you see the amount of blood that women lose I’m afraid. They don’t come close to cutting it. Tampons, and pads, and then still leaking. It’s not pleasant | |||
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"Apple MacBooks. I need to replace mine but lordy the prices make my eyes water. So good though. Think I've heard the fan kick in once with the apple chips in, and I've had it since December. " No that’s bad very very bad apple as the fan temps turned why up as planned obsolescence to kill it faster see if you can change the fan curve Hear your man for everything Mac book related https://m.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. still don't get why it should be free Because it's a cost that cannot be avoided that only women have to fund. I struggle to think of anything else where it is unavoidable for one gender to pay for something every month/week/year etc. And no, razors do not count. It is optional to remove facial or other hair but not optional to bleed down your leg and leave blood clots on the floor of Asda. That's just life though surely, you can get a pack of like 8 period pads for 50p " I am allergic to many of the pads for sale, due to the bleaching agents and fragrances used in them. I've had massive allergic reactions on my vulva, which is deeply unpleasant. I buy unbleached organic pads only. I don't even buy organic vegetables FFS. I also use a re-usable menstrual cup but due to incredibly heavy periods, I have to double up with cup and pads. One pad might last 2hrs. So, that's 12 pads a day, for 5 to 7 days per month. They come in boxes of 12 so that's one box a day and they're a damn sight dearer than 50p and I have zero choice about buying them. I've considered period underwear but they cost about £25 per pair and I reckon I'd need three or four pairs per day. I can't justify that cost. | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!" I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you" Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? " you look after your own health no one else, people have to buy gluten free food which costs alot, that's not free? What are you wanting me to agree with you? | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? " I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ " ahh right I see, I'm supposed to agree. Didn't get the memo. Will have to sack my receptionist | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? you look after your own health no one else, people have to buy gluten free food which costs alot, that's not free? What are you wanting me to agree with you? " Gluten free food used to be available on prescription. It is removed for cost cutting reasons and I disagree with that. It shouldn't cost more to live just because you have a medical condition. Don't get me started on mobility equipment, which is NOT free on the NHS. But that's not cut on gender grounds so is equally unfair to everyone. | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. still don't get why it should be free Because it's a cost that cannot be avoided that only women have to fund. I struggle to think of anything else where it is unavoidable for one gender to pay for something every month/week/year etc. And no, razors do not count. It is optional to remove facial or other hair but not optional to bleed down your leg and leave blood clots on the floor of Asda. That's just life though surely, you can get a pack of like 8 period pads for 50p I am allergic to many of the pads for sale, due to the bleaching agents and fragrances used in them. I've had massive allergic reactions on my vulva, which is deeply unpleasant. I buy unbleached organic pads only. I don't even buy organic vegetables FFS. I also use a re-usable menstrual cup but due to incredibly heavy periods, I have to double up with cup and pads. One pad might last 2hrs. So, that's 12 pads a day, for 5 to 7 days per month. They come in boxes of 12 so that's one box a day and they're a damn sight dearer than 50p and I have zero choice about buying them. I've considered period underwear but they cost about £25 per pair and I reckon I'd need three or four pairs per day. I can't justify that cost. " If you're having really heavy periods, speak to your doctor if you haven't already - there are things they can do to relieve this x | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ ahh right I see, I'm supposed to agree. Didn't get the memo. Will have to sack my receptionist " better not actually she won't be able to fund her periods | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)I don't get why they should be free, I have to shit unfortunately but still have to pay for the pleasure We ladies have to bleed, shit and pee. It's an extra, monthly cost, only borne by women. still don't get why it should be free Because it's a cost that cannot be avoided that only women have to fund. I struggle to think of anything else where it is unavoidable for one gender to pay for something every month/week/year etc. And no, razors do not count. It is optional to remove facial or other hair but not optional to bleed down your leg and leave blood clots on the floor of Asda. That's just life though surely, you can get a pack of like 8 period pads for 50p I am allergic to many of the pads for sale, due to the bleaching agents and fragrances used in them. I've had massive allergic reactions on my vulva, which is deeply unpleasant. I buy unbleached organic pads only. I don't even buy organic vegetables FFS. I also use a re-usable menstrual cup but due to incredibly heavy periods, I have to double up with cup and pads. One pad might last 2hrs. So, that's 12 pads a day, for 5 to 7 days per month. They come in boxes of 12 so that's one box a day and they're a damn sight dearer than 50p and I have zero choice about buying them. I've considered period underwear but they cost about £25 per pair and I reckon I'd need three or four pairs per day. I can't justify that cost. If you're having really heavy periods, speak to your doctor if you haven't already - there are things they can do to relieve this x" Thank you. I have..... But to no avail. | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ ahh right I see, I'm supposed to agree. Didn't get the memo. Will have to sack my receptionist " I didn’t say you have to agree. Just don’t assume period products are cheap, and don’t compare it to taking a shit | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ ahh right I see, I'm supposed to agree. Didn't get the memo. Will have to sack my receptionist I didn’t say you have to agree. Just don’t assume period products are cheap, and don’t compare it to taking a shit " 54p for a pack of 16 towels in asda | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ ahh right I see, I'm supposed to agree. Didn't get the memo. Will have to sack my receptionist I didn’t say you have to agree. Just don’t assume period products are cheap, and don’t compare it to taking a shit 54p for a pack of 16 towels in asda" How much do you spend a month on YOUR period products? I do hope you can manage with the cheap stuff | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? I didn’t know about these 50p pads - shall we stock up on the cheap ones? They do the job apparently! Fuck it if anyone’s allergic, oh and don’t forget it’s comparable to taking a shit and paying for toilet roll Jesus Christ ahh right I see, I'm supposed to agree. Didn't get the memo. Will have to sack my receptionist I didn’t say you have to agree. Just don’t assume period products are cheap, and don’t compare it to taking a shit 54p for a pack of 16 towels in asda" As explained above - pads - and chap pads at that - don’t work for heavy periods. Don’t try and mansplain on a subject you’ve never experienced | |||
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"Council tax. Total rip off for what services we receive.they take your bins once a week, and kindly leave them in the middle of your dropped curb.. What more do you want? There's actually a lot more to it than that! We get an information pack each April with how your money is spent " Weekly bin collection? Fortnightly here. And I have to take glass to a recycling point | |||
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"Apple MacBooks. I need to replace mine but lordy the prices make my eyes water. So good though. Think I've heard the fan kick in once with the apple chips in, and I've had it since December. " So good!! I have all Mac products, and I spilled some green tea on my 10 months old MacBook Air a few weeks ago… I panicked… luckily no damage from it as apple doesn’t cover water damage and that’d have been a very expensive bill… | |||
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"Are all sanitary products not free now or is that just Scotland?" They aren't free here, no | |||
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"Are all sanitary products not free now or is that just Scotland?" I don't live in Scotland. But not free in England. If you have female children as well as yourself, it could get pretty expensive. | |||
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"Printer Ink" Thanks for reminding me, we need to buy some! *Scurrys off to see about a small loan* | |||
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"Contact lenses. Sight is a necessity yet they charge soooo much for it!I agree with this, don't agree with the period pads though. Just because you're allergic to stuff that's down to you Yes, because being allergic to the pads is a choice I've made. Just listen to what you are saying FFS! Even those who can use mega cheap pads still need a fuck ton more than 8 per period and it still costs them money that their male equivalents do not have to fund! Presumably you blame people with other types of allergy for their situation? you look after your own health no one else, people have to buy gluten free food which costs alot, that's not free? What are you wanting me to agree with you? Gluten free food used to be available on prescription. It is removed for cost cutting reasons and I disagree with that. It shouldn't cost more to live just because you have a medical condition. Don't get me started on mobility equipment, which is NOT free on the NHS. But that's not cut on gender grounds so is equally unfair to everyone. " I was going to mention gluten free food too! Also, textbooks. I’m going back to uni after 23yrs and had forgotten just how much they cost | |||
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"Berries!. Then they have the cheek to go off in what seems like minutes after you get them home. " It angers me how quick they go off and start moulding in the fridge… | |||
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"Cash machines.. drawing out your OWN money like wtf! " Aren’t they free ? Like majority at least? | |||
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"Water. The fact I'm being charged just because it fucking rains and there happens to be a drain nearby pisses me off " Though presumably not as pissed off as you'd be if there weren't any drains and your house/the shops you rely on/the roads you use flooded every few weeks? Mr | |||
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"Sanitary products! (still think they should be free, we can't help having periods ffs)" They can't be free, someone has to pay for them. There is an argument though that it is a cost that unfairly penalises women. I'd support a 0.1p/£ tax increase (or whatever it costs) to make them free at the point of sale. Sadly, any such scheme would invariably be yet another way of siphoning public money to MP's cronies with the corresponding lack of investment and research. Then, in a few years time, most women would be back to buying their own as the free ones don't work as well/aren't as comfy/carry social stigma Mr | |||
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"Are all sanitary products not free now or is that just Scotland? I don't live in Scotland. But not free in England. If you have female children as well as yourself, it could get pretty expensive." I know that this comment is going to sicken a few, but here goes, tact and diplomacy not being my strongest subject. I'm hearing about all these pervs and weirdos who want to buy women's used underwear, so maybe there's an untapped market for used sanitry products. Some ladies could be sitting on a gold mine, and don't even realise it. | |||
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"Morning after pill xx " It's not as expensive as if you don't take it. | |||
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