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By *istyblue1967 OP   Man
over a year ago

manchester

3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

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By *eddy004Man
over a year ago

Toy Town

I'd try swimming. Low impact exercise but a great all over cardio workout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cut out the crap.

Don't eat after your evening meal.

Stop snacking in between meals.

Actually listen to your belly and not the clock...by that I mean if you're not hungry don't eat because it's dinner time. One skipped meal won't kill you

Walk more if you enjoy it.

It's more about what you put in your mouth than anything else.

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By *agerMorganMan
over a year ago

Canvey Island

Portion sizes is key.

I lost 1.5st in a month and a bit by cutting back on the sizes and walking.

For example, take mashed potato, 4 egg sized amounts is enough. Cereal in the morning, 3 tablespoons that aren't heaped.

It's how I lost weight.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Calories in vs calories out

You need to burn more than you consume

That’s how weightloss works

How you do that is the difficult part

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

There's a forum user thiccas who gives good advice. Hopefully he'll turn up on this thread for you

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By *TK421-Man
over a year ago

Cheltenham

First off, well done for pretty much not putting on anything major over this last year.

I hate this option but a combination of counting calories and running helped me lose 6 stone. Calories in, calories out and a good cardio that burns calories fast (time wise).

Have a look for a local couch to 5k group if you don't do running....

Just don't 'treat' yourself after them.

Best of luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All about calorie deficit. Burn more than you consume. Cut processed foods as much as you can. If you can't kill it or pick it don't eat it. Cut alcohol. Find an activity you enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Calorie deficit and exercise

Good luck. Mrs x

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

Cut back on the chocolate and crisps, exercise a little more.

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By *elilah999Woman
over a year ago

Malton


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

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By *onb21Woman
over a year ago

Cardiff

If you're already exercising and are healthy don't do more to lose weight, you'll just get hungrier. Manage it through fewer calories instead.

If you eat refined sugars, the easiest way to lose weight is to cut it out. If you have sugar in your hot drinks, for example, or if you have a habitual snack. Replace them with lower cal options or train yourself to not need them.

Portion size was suggested, which is also great.

Whatever you do, don't starve yourself because your body will take precautions if you start threatening it and want more food.

Good luck!

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc"

Wow

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

These threads never fail to amaze me

It’s almost like the less someone knows about diet, the more confident they are to post their dribble

OP, if you want some actual advice from someone that’s trained on giving it, drop me a private message.

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By *istyblue1967 OP   Man
over a year ago

manchester

thanks for the advice

i do have sugar in my tea and have at least five cups a day

so i ll change this for starters !!!

thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thanks for the advice

i do have sugar in my tea and have at least five cups a day

so i ll change this for starters !!!

thanks"

I cut sugar out of my hot drinks, thought I'd miss it but it wasn't long before I didn't notice it at all and now I can't stand sugar in them.

Good luck OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I stopped eating all the crap and eating better, more veg and healthy meals. I love walking and it's all helped losing the bit of belly fat I had over lockdown x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want to exercise then choose something that motivates you and do that.

Eat healthily, but choose a long term healthy eating plan that you can stick to.

Intermittent fasting is very effective, not nearly as hard as you think, and has proven health benefits too.

Eat less calories, we’re taught to eat way more than we need to.

Have a little treat every day, I have a bit of chocolate (usually dark) every day, and I don’t feel deprived.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've lost just under 3.5st in 6 months.

I keep things super simple by only eating when I'm hungry, eating anything I like or my body wants, not snacking between meals and stopping eating the moment I'm not hungry anymore (as opposed to stopping when I'm 'full')

I have also been consistent and never tell myself I'll start again tomorrow or on Monday.

I don't do a lot of planned exercise although I do intend on starting soon but I make sure I'm as active as possible in my day to day life.

You've got this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is it with people’s obsession with cardio for weight loss?! That’s so so outdated. You burn way more calories doing weights etc.

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By *elilah999Woman
over a year ago

Malton


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Wow"

Did I say something wrong?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Wow

Did I say something wrong? "

The first half was so wrong it hurt me to read it

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By *elilah999Woman
over a year ago

Malton


"These threads never fail to amaze me

It’s almost like the less someone knows about diet, the more confident they are to post their dribble

OP, if you want some actual advice from someone that’s trained on giving it, drop me a private message. "

Erm. So if something works for one. And they share that experience. It means they don't know anything. The person who ga E me the advice was a Pt and bloody good one. And the advice he gave me worked. So was and is that just luck?.

All you had to say was if you want professional advice message me. Instead of attacking people's personal journey

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By *elilah999Woman
over a year ago

Malton


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Wow

Did I say something wrong?

The first half was so wrong it hurt me to read it "

Okay. It was so wrong it's worked for me. Go figure

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"These threads never fail to amaze me

It’s almost like the less someone knows about diet, the more confident they are to post their dribble

OP, if you want some actual advice from someone that’s trained on giving it, drop me a private message.

Erm. So if something works for one. And they share that experience. It means they don't know anything. The person who ga E me the advice was a Pt and bloody good one. And the advice he gave me worked. So was and is that just luck?.

All you had to say was if you want professional advice message me. Instead of attacking people's personal journey "

It’s important to point out the bad advice that’s wrong too. Otherwise who knows what to follow?

Don’t let your ego be bruised, there’s loads of rubbish and myths and fake advice in this fitness and diet industry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What is it with people’s obsession with cardio for weight loss?! That’s so so outdated. You burn way more calories doing weights etc. "

Oh I forgot that. Yes, build muscle, it burns fat.

Walking is also excellent for fat loss too though.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

Eat less food, miss a meal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc"

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day "

Intermittent fasting is extremely effective for weight loss, and as I said above, has excellent and proven health benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a big fan of exercise but for weight loss by far your main focus should be on what you eat.

Or more specifically, what you don't eat!

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

Intermittent fasting is extremely effective for weight loss, and as I said above, has excellent and proven health benefits."

Totally agree.

I do it in solidarity with the millions who do not know where the next meal is coming from.

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By *istyblue1967 OP   Man
over a year ago

manchester

wow

all this advice

i did not expect this

thank you so much

i hope to do this !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

Intermittent fasting is extremely effective for weight loss, and as I said above, has excellent and proven health benefits."

Yup my severe case of eczema I had been struggling with for years finally healed up when I started doing OMAD/EFs. Turns out your body can focus on repairing a whole load of shit when it's not busy digesting all the time

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

14 years ago I tipped at almost 21 stones. I lost it quickly, went down to 11 and have kept it off by not doing one nanosecond of extra exercise (you can't out run a bad diet) and dumping carbs but whatever you choose to do, you have to do it forever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having said that 4kg isn't a great deal to lose.

I'd have a good look at those chocolates and replace them with some healthier snacks. Work out roughly how many calories you want for your snacks (based on having a sensible deficit). Put the appropriate amount of snacks in bags to have say three snack bags a day.

That will help you measure things and gives you something to look forward to. You can even put a bit of chocolate in them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

Intermittent fasting is extremely effective for weight loss, and as I said above, has excellent and proven health benefits.

Yup my severe case of eczema I had been struggling with for years finally healed up when I started doing OMAD/EFs. Turns out your body can focus on repairing a whole load of shit when it's not busy digesting all the time "

It really does. That’s brilliant, I’m pleased for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Calorie intake needs to be less. Your portion sizes need to be smaller, example if you eat chicken for dinner then a half fillet is plenty. Getting used to those smaller portions is difficult to begin with but your body soon gets used it it. If you’re going to snack then make it healthy .. instead of a chocolate bar or biscuit why not have a couple of rice cakes with a few dips of hummus.

I lost 4kg in 6 weeks which isn’t too rapid but is a sustainable method. But remember if you have a ‘cheat’ don’t beat yourself up about it… little slips happen

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

Intermittent fasting is extremely effective for weight loss, and as I said above, has excellent and proven health benefits."

Absofuckinglutely! Autopagy is another excellent result of fasting.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Autophagy!

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

Cut down on bread and potatoes.

No crisps, chocolate or booze.

Will drop off you within a few weeks.

Good luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

Intermittent fasting is extremely effective for weight loss, and as I said above, has excellent and proven health benefits.

Yup my severe case of eczema I had been struggling with for years finally healed up when I started doing OMAD/EFs. Turns out your body can focus on repairing a whole load of shit when it's not busy digesting all the time

It really does. That’s brilliant, I’m pleased for you "

Thank you xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP can you figure out what you're doing now that you weren't doing 3 years ago or vice versa? Maybe you exercised more or snacked less?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

I’d love to try IF but with 4000 calories a day just to maintain my weight I end up just feeling sick trying to eat all that in the eating window

Looks like such a simple way to manage food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d love to try IF but with 4000 calories a day just to maintain my weight I end up just feeling sick trying to eat all that in the eating window

Looks like such a simple way to manage food."

Yeah it very easily gives you a big calorie deficit. I'm actually finding it hard to meet the calorie target my PT set me.

4000 cals, wow! Adding enough avocado and nuts to your diet should do the trick

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though."

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"I’d love to try IF but with 4000 calories a day just to maintain my weight I end up just feeling sick trying to eat all that in the eating window

Looks like such a simple way to manage food.

Yeah it very easily gives you a big calorie deficit. I'm actually finding it hard to meet the calorie target my PT set me.

4000 cals, wow! Adding enough avocado and nuts to your diet should do the trick "

I don’t struggle outside of IF situations

I’ve gone as high as 6k a day when I’m really training and working hard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works "

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

"

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

To drop 4kg should be fairly achievable given what you've posted about your current diet and health regime. I wouldn't look at making drastic changes right from the start.

Drop the crisps, chocolate and refined sugars will make a massive difference.

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over a year ago


"I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

"

Oh I think this is still quite a radical idea for many

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over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product"

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

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"

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods. "

Maybe you burnt the extra calories from all the extra shopping and cooking

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over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though."

I found it easy to do it like this:

No breakfast, no lunch and then all your calories in the evening.

I tended to have a rotation of 3/4 meals, that i knew. Only needed to weigh the rice really, and then veg by eye.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods. "

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I found it easy to do it like this:

No breakfast, no lunch and then all your calories in the evening.

I tended to have a rotation of 3/4 meals, that i knew. Only needed to weigh the rice really, and then veg by eye. "

That is nice and simple. I'd have to drink a lot of extra coffee during the day though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories "

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!"

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!"

And the “using body fat as fuel” is an over simplification. It’s not entirely true

Keto is the holy grail of fake facts and myths in dieting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic "

Tell that to the 5 stone I lost eating 1800 cals per day

Anyway cutting out carbs instantly cuts out a whole bunch of calories. Plus eating high-fat foods keeps you way fuller for longer, again reducing the amount of calories you need.

A medium avocado has about the same amount of cals as 2 slices of bread, but only one of those option will keep me full for longer than 30 minutes.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods. "

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

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over a year ago

I'm not saying keto is the be all and end all but from the HOURS AND HOURS of research I've done, not only into the science but also real people's experiences of it, it definitely works for the vast majority of people. Especially for insulin-resistant people. I credit it for helping me reverse my T2 diabetes.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic

Tell that to the 5 stone I lost eating 1800 cals per day

Anyway cutting out carbs instantly cuts out a whole bunch of calories. Plus eating high-fat foods keeps you way fuller for longer, again reducing the amount of calories you need.

A medium avocado has about the same amount of cals as 2 slices of bread, but only one of those option will keep me full for longer than 30 minutes. "

Exactky, it’s the fullness you get from keto, plus the fact your eliminating an entire macro, that causes weight loss. Not keto

It just seems silly to me. It’s a bitch to follow, but you lose weight, then you go off keto, and you haven’t learned how to eat in a sustainable way while not in keto, so you just put the weight back on.

It’s no more effective than any other diet when it comes to calories, so it’s always better to learn how to eat a sensible diet that’s not a bitch to stick to, so you can live a functional life

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales

Zone 2 running/walking … cut the pasta and bread and sugar

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over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

"

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic

Tell that to the 5 stone I lost eating 1800 cals per day

Anyway cutting out carbs instantly cuts out a whole bunch of calories. Plus eating high-fat foods keeps you way fuller for longer, again reducing the amount of calories you need.

A medium avocado has about the same amount of cals as 2 slices of bread, but only one of those option will keep me full for longer than 30 minutes.

Exactky, it’s the fullness you get from keto, plus the fact your eliminating an entire macro, that causes weight loss. Not keto

It just seems silly to me. It’s a bitch to follow, but you lose weight, then you go off keto, and you haven’t learned how to eat in a sustainable way while not in keto, so you just put the weight back on.

It’s no more effective than any other diet when it comes to calories, so it’s always better to learn how to eat a sensible diet that’s not a bitch to stick to, so you can live a functional life "

14 years of keto here and two years carnivore.

It's incredibly easy and fuck all to do with the CICO crap that was touted by profit making, shareholding commercial 'diets'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic

Tell that to the 5 stone I lost eating 1800 cals per day

Anyway cutting out carbs instantly cuts out a whole bunch of calories. Plus eating high-fat foods keeps you way fuller for longer, again reducing the amount of calories you need.

A medium avocado has about the same amount of cals as 2 slices of bread, but only one of those option will keep me full for longer than 30 minutes.

Exactky, it’s the fullness you get from keto, plus the fact your eliminating an entire macro, that causes weight loss. Not keto

It just seems silly to me. It’s a bitch to follow, but you lose weight, then you go off keto, and you haven’t learned how to eat in a sustainable way while not in keto, so you just put the weight back on.

It’s no more effective than any other diet when it comes to calories, so it’s always better to learn how to eat a sensible diet that’s not a bitch to stick to, so you can live a functional life "

Have you ever tried keto?

I've incorporated carbs back in due to a change in lifestyle post-pandemic that makes keto even harder for me to stick to. I would say it's definitely taught me to eat more sensibly, and be more in tune with my body. I eat way better quality sources of carbs and foods that I know will keep me full, and from doing OMAD I've learned how to handle hunger. I wouldn't have learned what my body likes without doing keto tbh.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end."

And then you started eating 1800 but keto and lost weight?

Someone call NASA, she’s broken the rules of thermodynamics!

I’ll probably account this more likely to something other than you breaking the laws of thermodynamics. I couldn’t say what without knowing exactly what went on, but my guess would be mistracked calories somewhere, and/or a change in activity

But hey, whatever works for you, all I know is studies have proven, when calories are equal, Keto fairs no better than any other diet, and I just don’t see the point of putting people through the restrictive hell that is keto, just for them to rebound as soon as they stop because they haven’t learned how to eat a normal diet and manage their weight. It’s counter productive and encouraged an unhealthy relationship with food and dieting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic

Tell that to the 5 stone I lost eating 1800 cals per day

Anyway cutting out carbs instantly cuts out a whole bunch of calories. Plus eating high-fat foods keeps you way fuller for longer, again reducing the amount of calories you need.

A medium avocado has about the same amount of cals as 2 slices of bread, but only one of those option will keep me full for longer than 30 minutes.

Exactky, it’s the fullness you get from keto, plus the fact your eliminating an entire macro, that causes weight loss. Not keto

It just seems silly to me. It’s a bitch to follow, but you lose weight, then you go off keto, and you haven’t learned how to eat in a sustainable way while not in keto, so you just put the weight back on.

It’s no more effective than any other diet when it comes to calories, so it’s always better to learn how to eat a sensible diet that’s not a bitch to stick to, so you can live a functional life

14 years of keto here and two years carnivore.

It's incredibly easy and fuck all to do with the CICO crap that was touted by profit making, shareholding commercial 'diets'.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

And then you started eating 1800 but keto and lost weight?

Someone call NASA, she’s broken the rules of thermodynamics!

I’ll probably account this more likely to something other than you breaking the laws of thermodynamics. I couldn’t say what without knowing exactly what went on, but my guess would be mistracked calories somewhere, and/or a change in activity

But hey, whatever works for you, all I know is studies have proven, when calories are equal, Keto fairs no better than any other diet, and I just don’t see the point of putting people through the restrictive hell that is keto, just for them to rebound as soon as they stop because they haven’t learned how to eat a normal diet and manage their weight. It’s counter productive and encouraged an unhealthy relationship with food and dieting "

Lmao not being funny but you've literally told me that by the end of your PT course there were people that still didn't know what a push up was. So not really gonna count on your "professional knowledge" too much. I am gonna count on what's helped me lose 70lbs and counting though.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end."

If that is the case that is remarkable. It goes against everything modern science understands about weight loss.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

You don’t, you’ve made a mistake somewhere

Calories are just calories

Yeah now you mention it, when I was eating more cals was when I was in ketosis so using body fat as fuel instead of carbs.

I know you're not a fan of keto but it definitely makes you lose mad weight. Just an absolute bitch to stick to!

The reason I’m not a fan is that when calories are matched, keto makes you lose no more weight that any other diet. It’s not magic

Tell that to the 5 stone I lost eating 1800 cals per day

Anyway cutting out carbs instantly cuts out a whole bunch of calories. Plus eating high-fat foods keeps you way fuller for longer, again reducing the amount of calories you need.

A medium avocado has about the same amount of cals as 2 slices of bread, but only one of those option will keep me full for longer than 30 minutes.

Exactky, it’s the fullness you get from keto, plus the fact your eliminating an entire macro, that causes weight loss. Not keto

It just seems silly to me. It’s a bitch to follow, but you lose weight, then you go off keto, and you haven’t learned how to eat in a sustainable way while not in keto, so you just put the weight back on.

It’s no more effective than any other diet when it comes to calories, so it’s always better to learn how to eat a sensible diet that’s not a bitch to stick to, so you can live a functional life

14 years of keto here and two years carnivore.

It's incredibly easy and fuck all to do with the CICO crap that was touted by profit making, shareholding commercial 'diets'.

"

I refuse to discuss it further with people who throw out the endless peer reviewed studies anc meta analysis, all of which are free to learn from.

The science is out there, it’s free, no profit to be made. If your choose to ignore it, I’m not gonna bother going further.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

And then you started eating 1800 but keto and lost weight?

Someone call NASA, she’s broken the rules of thermodynamics!

I’ll probably account this more likely to something other than you breaking the laws of thermodynamics. I couldn’t say what without knowing exactly what went on, but my guess would be mistracked calories somewhere, and/or a change in activity

But hey, whatever works for you, all I know is studies have proven, when calories are equal, Keto fairs no better than any other diet, and I just don’t see the point of putting people through the restrictive hell that is keto, just for them to rebound as soon as they stop because they haven’t learned how to eat a normal diet and manage their weight. It’s counter productive and encouraged an unhealthy relationship with food and dieting

Lmao not being funny but you've literally told me that by the end of your PT course there were people that still didn't know what a push up was. So not really gonna count on your "professional knowledge" too much. I am gonna count on what's helped me lose 70lbs and counting though. "

The science is out there. I’m sure you’ve been yo-yoing back and forth for a long time, with stretches of success and stretches of regression

This could be in part due to your lack of knowledge and ignorance to the science out there backing it up.

That’s on you. I’m not here to help people who choose to remain ignorant in the face of endless studies. It’s only you that’s gonna yo-yo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

If that is the case that is remarkable. It goes against everything modern science understands about weight loss. "

Then I would recommend you look at the work of Dr Jason Fung, who has helped countless diabetic patients lose weight and reverse their diabetes by focusing on the quality of the calorie and not the calorie itself science is forever evolving...

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By *extravagantWoman
over a year ago

Hertfordshire

Stop buying chocolates and crisps, they are empty calories and a bad habit (not a treat).

Don’t eat after 7pm. If you’re desperately hungry at night drink water and go to bed early.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I found it easy to do it like this:

No breakfast, no lunch and then all your calories in the evening.

I tended to have a rotation of 3/4 meals, that i knew. Only needed to weigh the rice really, and then veg by eye.

That is nice and simple. I'd have to drink a lot of extra coffee during the day though!"

As long as it’s either black, or you count the milk in your calorie allowance, it’s fine.

The first few times are hard, and you can get a nasty headache, but once you’ve done it a couple of times, it’s surprisingly easy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop buying chocolates and crisps, they are empty calories and a bad habit (not a treat).

Don’t eat after 7pm. If you’re desperately hungry at night drink water and go to bed early."

Ageee with all this except, I have a chocolate treat every day, but I am super good with everything else. I don’t feel deprived them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

And then you started eating 1800 but keto and lost weight?

Someone call NASA, she’s broken the rules of thermodynamics!

I’ll probably account this more likely to something other than you breaking the laws of thermodynamics. I couldn’t say what without knowing exactly what went on, but my guess would be mistracked calories somewhere, and/or a change in activity

But hey, whatever works for you, all I know is studies have proven, when calories are equal, Keto fairs no better than any other diet, and I just don’t see the point of putting people through the restrictive hell that is keto, just for them to rebound as soon as they stop because they haven’t learned how to eat a normal diet and manage their weight. It’s counter productive and encouraged an unhealthy relationship with food and dieting

Lmao not being funny but you've literally told me that by the end of your PT course there were people that still didn't know what a push up was. So not really gonna count on your "professional knowledge" too much. I am gonna count on what's helped me lose 70lbs and counting though.

The science is out there. I’m sure you’ve been yo-yoing back and forth for a long time, with stretches of success and stretches of regression

This could be in part due to your lack of knowledge and ignorance to the science out there backing it up.

That’s on you. I’m not here to help people who choose to remain ignorant in the face of endless studies. It’s only you that’s gonna yo-yo"

I am far from ignorant. I've done the research. I've read up on the science. Your CICO theory is very valid, I'm not denying that. For me though, being insulin resistant, being in a caloric deficit means jack shit if I'm getting my calories from carbs and spiking my blood sugar to where the excess insulin is promoting fat storage. Doing something like keto really suits me, as a diabetic (well, reversed diabetic now), because the lack of carbs keeps my blood sugars stable. Maybe if you researched science surrounding insulin resistant people, not just from sources that support your theories, you yourself might come off as less abrasive and ignorant?

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By *elilah999Woman
over a year ago

Malton


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day "

And see that's your opinion. Am I telling you yikes you shouldn't do that?, no. Because what works for you is fine and what works for me is fine. And also what works for other's is also fine. I'm not an expert. We just just have different methods to get the same results. Just as people who go to the gym have different methods to obtain the same gains. Who's wrong and who's right. Results speaks volumes

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By *elilah999Woman
over a year ago

Malton

And I think I look okay for doing it and feel better within myself. But carry on

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

And then you started eating 1800 but keto and lost weight?

Someone call NASA, she’s broken the rules of thermodynamics!

I’ll probably account this more likely to something other than you breaking the laws of thermodynamics. I couldn’t say what without knowing exactly what went on, but my guess would be mistracked calories somewhere, and/or a change in activity

But hey, whatever works for you, all I know is studies have proven, when calories are equal, Keto fairs no better than any other diet, and I just don’t see the point of putting people through the restrictive hell that is keto, just for them to rebound as soon as they stop because they haven’t learned how to eat a normal diet and manage their weight. It’s counter productive and encouraged an unhealthy relationship with food and dieting

Lmao not being funny but you've literally told me that by the end of your PT course there were people that still didn't know what a push up was. So not really gonna count on your "professional knowledge" too much. I am gonna count on what's helped me lose 70lbs and counting though.

The science is out there. I’m sure you’ve been yo-yoing back and forth for a long time, with stretches of success and stretches of regression

This could be in part due to your lack of knowledge and ignorance to the science out there backing it up.

That’s on you. I’m not here to help people who choose to remain ignorant in the face of endless studies. It’s only you that’s gonna yo-yo

I am far from ignorant. I've done the research. I've read up on the science. Your CICO theory is very valid, I'm not denying that. For me though, being insulin resistant, being in a caloric deficit means jack shit if I'm getting my calories from carbs and spiking my blood sugar to where the excess insulin is promoting fat storage. Doing something like keto really suits me, as a diabetic (well, reversed diabetic now), because the lack of carbs keeps my blood sugars stable. Maybe if you researched science surrounding insulin resistant people, not just from sources that support your theories, you yourself might come off as less abrasive and ignorant? "

Without being rude, it just sounds like you don’t understand what a calorie deficit it. And I really don’t want to s rude here, but that’s just what it sounds like.

Spikes in insulin won’t cause fat storage if you are in a calorie deficit, because there’s no calories to store as fat.

Like I said, I hate to sound rude, but I’d do more research. You seem to have some fundamental flaws in your understanding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia

It seems easy when saying it. But one way my guy helped me is cut your meals in half. So effectively your stomach gets some food but isn't full. After an hour or two eat the second half. It helps your body to burn off what it doesn't need and not take all the crap. Never skip meals as your body thinks crap, not sure when I'm going to get food again and stores it all as fat. But also you need to get some cardio in your week. Weather that be weights based cardio amor just regular cardio. Running, skipping etc

Big yikes

It is definitely okay to skip a meal or two, and is actually better than toying with your ghrelin (hunger hormone) and blood sugar levels all day. The "starvation mode" theory you mentioned is absolute bullshit, and your method just sounds like torture. I literally find it easier to do 48hr extended fasts (the healthy way, with lots of electrolytes and vitamin supplements) than let my body think it's gonna get food 6 times a day

And see that's your opinion. Am I telling you yikes you shouldn't do that?, no. Because what works for you is fine and what works for me is fine. And also what works for other's is also fine. I'm not an expert. We just just have different methods to get the same results. Just as people who go to the gym have different methods to obtain the same gains. Who's wrong and who's right. Results speaks volumes "

You know what, you're right. If it worked for you that's great

I apologise whole heartedly for getting triggered over someone losing weight in a different manner to me, that was a mistake on my part =)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works "

Granted if you eat like the last days of Rome, a person will struggle to lose weight when intermittent fasting, but as you say (respectfully) you need to understand why something works and it's not as simple as CICO. Long term, CICO does not work and I can quote studies that prove it. The moment someone comes off a calorie restricted diet, they put the weight back on and more. There is more at play here: hormones and genetics are two of them. Often people are criticised for being weak willed and/or lazy for not being able to be keep weight off, when in fact it has nothing to do with that.

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By *exyMPCouple
over a year ago

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

Keto is a fast way to lose fat but you have to be strict with your carb intake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Without being rude, it just sounds like you don’t understand what a calorie deficit it. And I really don’t want to s rude here, but that’s just what it sounds like.

Spikes in insulin won’t cause fat storage if you are in a calorie deficit, because there’s no calories to store as fat.

Like I said, I hate to sound rude, but I’d do more research. You seem to have some fundamental flaws in your understanding. "

Thanks for the chuckle

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"

Without being rude, it just sounds like you don’t understand what a calorie deficit it. And I really don’t want to s rude here, but that’s just what it sounds like.

Spikes in insulin won’t cause fat storage if you are in a calorie deficit, because there’s no calories to store as fat.

Like I said, I hate to sound rude, but I’d do more research. You seem to have some fundamental flaws in your understanding.

Thanks for the chuckle "

Like I said, chuckle all you want, but we both know you’ve been struggling for a long time, with weight up and down. No consistent results.

That might be due to your ignorance and lack of knowledge on the facts.

https://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That’s a very good long article on it, and they have links to studies and other discussions on why low carb isn’t the answer etc

Consistent results will come when you drop the ego and accept the science. Without that you’ll continue to yo-yo back and forth.

Genuinely hope you take the time to read it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

I like to understand them too. Trouble is a year later all that understanding changes!...

I don’t think the idea of calories in vs calories out had change in a very long time. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty well set.

There’s just always idiots and snake oil salesmen trying to pitch you their product

The quality of the calorie definitely matters too though.

I lost far more weight when eating 1800-2000 cals of whole foods and healthy fats than 1200-1400 calories that still included junk and convenience foods.

The chances of you only sticking to 1200-1400 calories and eating junk wouldn't be almost impossible.

Calories are just calories. The problem is the junk ones aren't that filling so people just keep eating and don't realise just how many calories they are actually consuming.

Bruh I literally followed Greg Doucette's low cal, high volume diet to the letter. Stuck to around 1400 cals or less. Weighed everything religiously. Tracked absolutely everything, down the last Diet Coke. Lost nothing and just tortured myself for weeks due to hunger.

I have pages and pages of messages between me and my friend who was keeping me accountable poring over my MFP diary trying to figure out what the heck was going on because I was at my wits' end.

And then you started eating 1800 but keto and lost weight?

Someone call NASA, she’s broken the rules of thermodynamics!

I’ll probably account this more likely to something other than you breaking the laws of thermodynamics. I couldn’t say what without knowing exactly what went on, but my guess would be mistracked calories somewhere, and/or a change in activity

But hey, whatever works for you, all I know is studies have proven, when calories are equal, Keto fairs no better than any other diet, and I just don’t see the point of putting people through the restrictive hell that is keto, just for them to rebound as soon as they stop because they haven’t learned how to eat a normal diet and manage their weight. It’s counter productive and encouraged an unhealthy relationship with food and dieting

Lmao not being funny but you've literally told me that by the end of your PT course there were people that still didn't know what a push up was. So not really gonna count on your "professional knowledge" too much. I am gonna count on what's helped me lose 70lbs and counting though.

The science is out there. I’m sure you’ve been yo-yoing back and forth for a long time, with stretches of success and stretches of regression

This could be in part due to your lack of knowledge and ignorance to the science out there backing it up.

That’s on you. I’m not here to help people who choose to remain ignorant in the face of endless studies. It’s only you that’s gonna yo-yo

I am far from ignorant. I've done the research. I've read up on the science. Your CICO theory is very valid, I'm not denying that. For me though, being insulin resistant, being in a caloric deficit means jack shit if I'm getting my calories from carbs and spiking my blood sugar to where the excess insulin is promoting fat storage. Doing something like keto really suits me, as a diabetic (well, reversed diabetic now), because the lack of carbs keeps my blood sugars stable. Maybe if you researched science surrounding insulin resistant people, not just from sources that support your theories, you yourself might come off as less abrasive and ignorant?

Without being rude, it just sounds like you don’t understand what a calorie deficit it. And I really don’t want to s rude here, but that’s just what it sounds like.

Spikes in insulin won’t cause fat storage if you are in a calorie deficit, because there’s no calories to store as fat.

Like I said, I hate to sound rude, but I’d do more research. You seem to have some fundamental flaws in your understanding. "

Sorry, but again, that's too simplistic. It's not the complete picture of how the body works and as soon as you stop restricting the calories you start eating at a previous level, you will start to gain weight. Put simply, if you deprive someone of food, the body slows things down: heart rates drops, for example, and other bodily functions slow too to reduce calorie consumption. They they "get used" to operating at that level and when you start eating again back at your usual level (and it doesn't have to be excessive) the weight piles on as there plenty of calories to go round because the body is still operating in a mode where fewer calories are being used. The CICO based on the first law of thermodynamics is not the complete picture and in order to maintain weight loss a lifestyle has to be adopted.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

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"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

Granted if you eat like the last days of Rome, a person will struggle to lose weight when intermittent fasting, but as you say (respectfully) you need to understand why something works and it's not as simple as CICO. Long term, CICO does not work and I can quote studies that prove it. The moment someone comes off a calorie restricted diet, they put the weight back on and more. There is more at play here: hormones and genetics are two of them. Often people are criticised for being weak willed and/or lazy for not being able to be keep weight off, when in fact it has nothing to do with that. "

https://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

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over a year ago

Sugar - cut out as much sugar (natural and otherwise) as possible.

This will help your body to use its fat stores for fuel and not sugary crap; this is simply what our bodies evolved to do over thousands of years. Sugar is doing huge damage to the health of Western countries.

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"

Without being rude, it just sounds like you don’t understand what a calorie deficit it. And I really don’t want to s rude here, but that’s just what it sounds like.

Spikes in insulin won’t cause fat storage if you are in a calorie deficit, because there’s no calories to store as fat.

Like I said, I hate to sound rude, but I’d do more research. You seem to have some fundamental flaws in your understanding.

Thanks for the chuckle

Like I said, chuckle all you want, but we both know you’ve been struggling for a long time, with weight up and down. No consistent results.

That might be due to your ignorance and lack of knowledge on the facts.

https://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That’s a very good long article on it, and they have links to studies and other discussions on why low carb isn’t the answer etc

Consistent results will come when you drop the ego and accept the science. Without that you’ll continue to yo-yo back and forth.

Genuinely hope you take the time to read it. "

The true yo yoing only happened when I did low calorie/VLCD for short periods and then ate "normally" again.

The consistent weight loss happened when I finally understood what was going on within my body and how to tackle it. I've never lost so much weight over such a long period of time as when I started researching insulin resistance. And kept it off.

Any recent struggles have been due to a lack of willpower and not doing what I need to be doing. That's mental, not physical.

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"We've done a bit of fasting in the past but found it a bit tedious to plan and manage.

Heard something recently on the benefits of skipping breakfast some days as a mini fast (think the idea is you don't eat for 12+ hours). The benefits were more to do with energy etc. than weight loss though.

I think it’s important to know why things work, so we can attribute the success to the right thing

For example, fasting doesn’t cause fat loss. A calorie deficit brought on by fasting does.

If you do intermittent fasting then eat 10000 calories in your window. You’ll still gain weight

I’m a firm believer in people understanding why a certain thing works

Granted if you eat like the last days of Rome, a person will struggle to lose weight when intermittent fasting, but as you say (respectfully) you need to understand why something works and it's not as simple as CICO. Long term, CICO does not work and I can quote studies that prove it. The moment someone comes off a calorie restricted diet, they put the weight back on and more. There is more at play here: hormones and genetics are two of them. Often people are criticised for being weak willed and/or lazy for not being able to be keep weight off, when in fact it has nothing to do with that.

https://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/"

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

The article is written by Armistead Legge (according to the article ...

Armistead Legge is the Director of Content for Legion. He has completed over 100 triathlons and cross-country, cycling, and adventure races, has squatted and deadlifted over 400...) - hardly scientifically qualified and the "Dr" who reviewed it is a Dr of physiotherapy. Not exactly qualified in the right area, when it comes to molecular biology and such like?

Pithy answer that link, but sorry it's not persuasive.

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over a year ago

Anybody interested in the long term the effects of calorie restriction might find the Minnesota Starvation Experiment and Women's Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial interesting. These were trials carried out on large scales and involved real people.

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Food poisoning?

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over a year ago

Actually don’t do that. I found Huel and getting plenty of exercise helped me lose weight

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over a year ago


"Food poisoning?"

Might as well add cholera to the list. Not recommended long term though

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice? "

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Actually don’t do that. I found Huel and getting plenty of exercise helped me lose weight "

Have you had the hot huel savoury? If your have, what did you think of it?

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over a year ago


"Actually don’t do that. I found Huel and getting plenty of exercise helped me lose weight

Have you had the hot huel savoury? If your have, what did you think of it? "

Not tried it. I just had a shake for breakfast and dinner then a sensible tea like chicken and salad

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over a year ago


"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI. "

FYI I was never debating CICO - I don't think anyone is. 1800 cals is still below what I burn as an obese person. My point was that the quality of the calorie and keeping blood sugar levels stable through the consumption of low GI foods is far more effective for combating insulin resistance, thus leading to weight loss.

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over a year ago

Some excerpts from 'The Carbohydrate-Insulin Model of Obesity: Beyond ‘Calories In, Calories Out'', which uses information from studies on diabetic rats and mice as well as adult humans.

"Although many factors affect fat cells, the hormone insulin exerts dominant anabolic control. Insulin decreases the circulating concentration of all major metabolic fuels by stimulating glucose uptake into tissues, suppressing release of fatty acids from adipose tissue, inhibiting production of ketones in the liver, and promoting fat and glycogen deposition. Consistent with these effects, states of increased insulin action (such as insulin-producing tumors, initiation of insulin treatment of type 2 diabetes or overtreatment of type 1 diabetes) are predictably associated with weight gain."

"The Carbohydrate-Insulin Model of obesity (CIM) proposes that a high-carbohydrate diet – including large amounts of refined starchy foods and sugar, as commonly consumed in the low-fat diet era – produces postprandial hyperinsulinemia, promotes deposition of calories in fat cells instead of oxidation in lean tissues, and thereby predisposes to weight gain through increased hunger, slowing metabolic rate, or both."

"With failure of conventional low-fat, calorie-restricted diets to stem the obesity epidemic, the CIM provides a practical alternative for public health and clinical medicine. Primary emphasis should be placed on the quality rather than quantity of calories consumed, to shift calorie partitioning away from storage in adipose tissue and improve metabolic fuel availability to the rest of the body. This shift would, according to the CIM, lower the apparent “body weight set point” – the weight at which antagonistic physiological adaptations (including rising hunger and slowing metabolic rate) kick in. In this way, a negative energy balance and weight loss might be achieved with less difficulty and greater sustainability. "

" In 1941, the renowned obesity expert Julius Bauer described a key component of the CIM (the reverse direction of causality depicted in Figure 1b), writing in this journal: “The current energy theory of obesity, which considers only an imbalance between intake of food and expenditure of energy, is unsatisfactory…. An increased appetite with a subsequent imbalance between intake and output of energy is the consequence of the abnormal anläge [fat tissue] rather than the cause of obesity.” In view of the massive and rising toll of obesity-related disease, this research should be given priority."

Full article can be found at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082688/

Again, not disputing CICO works. Just not so black and white for insulin resistant people.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Anybody interested in the long term the effects of calorie restriction might find the Minnesota Starvation Experiment and Women's Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial interesting. These were trials carried out on large scales and involved real people. "

Just read the Minnesota one, no idea how it comes into play here? They systematically starved people to see how shitty it would make them feel then refeed them

Sorry I’m just not seeing how this study applies to someone careful using a small calorie surplus to reach a healthy weight?

And only 34 participants in the 1940s?

I’m lost

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Actually don’t do that. I found Huel and getting plenty of exercise helped me lose weight

Have you had the hot huel savoury? If your have, what did you think of it?

Not tried it. I just had a shake for breakfast and dinner then a sensible tea like chicken and salad "

The savoury stuf looks good though! I actually think the shakes taste kinda gross

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If you love walking do more of it. Liking the exercise is half the battle.

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over a year ago


"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI. "

No, I didn't read all 33 studies, but then their relevance from a further scan is tenuous at best and do not all directly relate to CICO and so the headline is misleading. I take it you've been through all 33 with a fine tooth comb? If they are all on humans, then that's great, but then are they all long term studies? Unlikely. At least one only lasted 10 weeks. That's nowhere near enough time to say anything conclusive about long term results.

We're going to have to disagree about CICO and the first law of thermodynamics being the basis for everything. Have you considered calorific absorption and caloric availability? How would this work with your CICO model. There's other factors that influence metabolism. This isn't a simple matter of maths and physics (not that they are ever simple in some fields of endeavour). Over a few weeks the whole system may be approximated to CICO as a simplification, but longer term that's simply not the case and I'm talking years not weeks.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"If you love walking do more of it. Liking the exercise is half the battle. "

This. Works for me. Cut down food and walk loads. Can’t be doing with all this scientific stuff. It’s not rocket science!

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over a year ago


"Actually don’t do that. I found Huel and getting plenty of exercise helped me lose weight

Have you had the hot huel savoury? If your have, what did you think of it?

Not tried it. I just had a shake for breakfast and dinner then a sensible tea like chicken and salad

The savoury stuf looks good though! I actually think the shakes taste kinda gross "

Yeh they’re an acquired taste

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Actually don’t do that. I found Huel and getting plenty of exercise helped me lose weight

Have you had the hot huel savoury? If your have, what did you think of it?

Not tried it. I just had a shake for breakfast and dinner then a sensible tea like chicken and salad

The savoury stuf looks good though! I actually think the shakes taste kinda gross

Yeh they’re an acquired taste "

I added a little sweetener to mine. Seemed to helps

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI.

No, I didn't read all 33 studies, but then their relevance from a further scan is tenuous at best and do not all directly relate to CICO and so the headline is misleading. I take it you've been through all 33 with a fine tooth comb? If they are all on humans, then that's great, but then are they all long term studies? Unlikely. At least one only lasted 10 weeks. That's nowhere near enough time to say anything conclusive about long term results.

We're going to have to disagree about CICO and the first law of thermodynamics being the basis for everything. Have you considered calorific absorption and caloric availability? How would this work with your CICO model. There's other factors that influence metabolism. This isn't a simple matter of maths and physics (not that they are ever simple in some fields of endeavour). Over a few weeks the whole system may be approximated to CICO as a simplification, but longer term that's simply not the case and I'm talking years not weeks. "

Well with no counter studies from your half I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, as I can’t really say anything about nothing.

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over a year ago


"Anybody interested in the long term the effects of calorie restriction might find the Minnesota Starvation Experiment and Women's Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial interesting. These were trials carried out on large scales and involved real people.

Just read the Minnesota one, no idea how it comes into play here? They systematically starved people to see how shitty it would make them feel then refeed them

Sorry I’m just not seeing how this study applies to someone careful using a small calorie surplus to reach a healthy weight?

And only 34 participants in the 1940s?

I’m lost "

Do you need a map?

If you've read Wikipedia then it's understandable. What happened to the subjects after they started eating again? It was not purely a function of calories. What happened can't be explained by CICO alone. There's a fair bit of commentary on these studies out there.

The study was relatively small scale, but then funding for large scale studies is difficult to come by. Indeed some of the 33 papers in the Legion article were small scale. In fact most were. Not even 100 participants is exactly large scale. The Women's Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial was a little larger (48,835), no? Scientifically speaking long term trials are more reliable. Following a small cohort of bodybuilders for 10 weeks is hardly science I'd want to rely on for my future health and wellbeing.

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"If you love walking do more of it. Liking the exercise is half the battle.

This. Works for me. Cut down food and walk loads. Can’t be doing with all this scientific stuff. It’s not rocket science! "

If it resembles exercise or needs lycra or any mention of dieting its just not for me. Stealth health

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"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI.

No, I didn't read all 33 studies, but then their relevance from a further scan is tenuous at best and do not all directly relate to CICO and so the headline is misleading. I take it you've been through all 33 with a fine tooth comb? If they are all on humans, then that's great, but then are they all long term studies? Unlikely. At least one only lasted 10 weeks. That's nowhere near enough time to say anything conclusive about long term results.

We're going to have to disagree about CICO and the first law of thermodynamics being the basis for everything. Have you considered calorific absorption and caloric availability? How would this work with your CICO model. There's other factors that influence metabolism. This isn't a simple matter of maths and physics (not that they are ever simple in some fields of endeavour). Over a few weeks the whole system may be approximated to CICO as a simplification, but longer term that's simply not the case and I'm talking years not weeks.

Well with no counter studies from your half I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, as I can’t really say anything about nothing."

Yeah, last time I cited a load of stuff you just brushed it off with some nebulous comment centered around you not having the time or inclination to read it or such like. Do I really want to go to the trouble again?

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"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI.

No, I didn't read all 33 studies, but then their relevance from a further scan is tenuous at best and do not all directly relate to CICO and so the headline is misleading. I take it you've been through all 33 with a fine tooth comb? If they are all on humans, then that's great, but then are they all long term studies? Unlikely. At least one only lasted 10 weeks. That's nowhere near enough time to say anything conclusive about long term results.

We're going to have to disagree about CICO and the first law of thermodynamics being the basis for everything. Have you considered calorific absorption and caloric availability? How would this work with your CICO model. There's other factors that influence metabolism. This isn't a simple matter of maths and physics (not that they are ever simple in some fields of endeavour). Over a few weeks the whole system may be approximated to CICO as a simplification, but longer term that's simply not the case and I'm talking years not weeks.

Well with no counter studies from your half I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, as I can’t really say anything about nothing."

I literally just posted an article that backs this up

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

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Go into outer space and one becomes weightless. The simplest solutions are often the most overlooked #occamsrazor

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"://legionathletics.com/cico-diet/

That's not an answer that supports CICO. Have you drilled down into the 33 articles that the "health journalist" has reviewed? How many are done on mice?

None. They’re all studies done on people. Which says to me you didn’t even take the time to read it?

Your not wrong that COCI is the only aspect. Obviously if you start eating like a fat pig again you’ll put the weight on.

But that’s proof in itself that COCI works. Eat less, lose weight, start eating more, gain Wright.

My point is that COCI is the driving factor of every diet. Nothing else matters without COCI being in place. So that needs to be the focus before anything else. A calorie deficit needs to be found and maintained

If you have any studies showing weight loss where COCI wasn’t in place and they lost weight while in a calorie surplus without the use of drugs, id love to see it.

COCI is number 1.

Number 2 is learning how to return to a less strict form of dieting that allows you to maintain your weight management after you’ve lost the weight.

But nothing happens without COCI.

No, I didn't read all 33 studies, but then their relevance from a further scan is tenuous at best and do not all directly relate to CICO and so the headline is misleading. I take it you've been through all 33 with a fine tooth comb? If they are all on humans, then that's great, but then are they all long term studies? Unlikely. At least one only lasted 10 weeks. That's nowhere near enough time to say anything conclusive about long term results.

We're going to have to disagree about CICO and the first law of thermodynamics being the basis for everything. Have you considered calorific absorption and caloric availability? How would this work with your CICO model. There's other factors that influence metabolism. This isn't a simple matter of maths and physics (not that they are ever simple in some fields of endeavour). Over a few weeks the whole system may be approximated to CICO as a simplification, but longer term that's simply not the case and I'm talking years not weeks.

Well with no counter studies from your half I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, as I can’t really say anything about nothing.

Yeah, last time I cited a load of stuff you just brushed it off with some nebulous comment centered around you not having the time or inclination to read it or such like. Do I really want to go to the trouble again? "

I don’t think I did, and I don’t think you posted anything that applied to this, but again, let’s just agree to disagree.

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over a year ago


"Go into outer space and one becomes weightless. The simplest solutions are often the most overlooked #occamsrazor "

And freezedried strawberries sucked from a packet. Yummy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day CICO is just as valid as diets tailored to hormonal/metabolic imbalances. In any case the conversation is important, and there are many more civilized ways to hold debates rather than using phrases and insults such as "eating like fat pig", "call NASA..." and making digs at one's capacity for comprehension.

Getting heated is not going to be conducive to proving anyone's point.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Have you got a direct link to the Women's Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial study?

I must be reading the wrong one

“ Over a mean of 8.1 years, a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD in postmenopausal women and achieved only modest effects on CVD risk factors, suggesting that more focused diet and lifestyle interventions may be needed to improve risk factors and reduce CVD risk.”

It’s not mentioning anything to do with body composition changes, so either I’ve found the wrong study or I dunno?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As many people have said it’s calories in vs calories out makes sure you burn more than you take in.

I love my food but I make sure I eat good food and train 5/6 times a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

HIIT workout or other vigorous exercise for minimum 20/30 mins daily.

Don’t snack on shit: sweets, crisps, chocolate, energy/fitness bars. They’re all bollocks.

Cut out processed sugars and fats.

Skip the latte and have a white coffee instead.

Eat a reasonable and balanced mixture of food.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Try Googling diet

What works for me is ignoring all the advise there and here and thinking about why I eat - energy, health, strength, socially , and taking regular breaks from eating , it’s actually good to feel hunger sometimes.

Also learn about what food your body needs and when. This happens effortlessly when you fast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like advising people on this topic, there are bigger brains here, but 4kg is sooooo doable amd won't be as hard as you think once you find your determination and stick with it. All the best. You'll feel so much better achieving your goal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs"

Have you tried IF?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wasn't happy with my weight so I cut out all carbs for a few months, went on a drinking ban and i lost a stone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wasn't happy with my weight so I cut out all carbs for a few months, went on a drinking ban and i lost a stone"

I think cutting the booze helps a lot.

I've considered cutting it completely but each time I do somebody seems to turn up with a nice bottle of wine or whiskey!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

I cant remember the last time i was 80kg's i'm in at around 126kg's at the moment but Im pretty tall, however no special diet required as you still need all food groups, just focus on a calorie deficit, work out roughly how much you eat per day currently and drop 20% where you can as a start. drink water instead of when you feel a snack coming

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Learning about calorie deficits 3500 calories = approx 1lb in weight and exercise heart rate zones, the effect they have in terms of fat burning, cardio etc will really help you get to grips with owning your plan.

Google Harris Benedict formula, if you find the right formula and complete it honestly you will arrive at the amount of calories you are consuming a day to maintain the weight you are today. (avoid using pre made templates, find the actual equation and the explanation of the equation so you understand it)

From that point you can put a plan of diet and exercise together that suits you and your lifestyle, which is important. With the info you have you will also know how long it is going to take you to reach your goals.

Example: You manage to reduce your calorie intake by 200 calories per day

You exercise with walking and swimming and are using 2100 calories per week to do this.

Your weekly calorie deficit average = 3500 calories which is approx 1lb

4kg = approx 13lb : 13 weeks to lose 4kg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

4kg by Christmas won't be hard. Either drop the crisps or chocolate for now and go for a short walk after your evening meal.....doesn't have to be far. 10min or so.

When the weight loss stabilises, drop the snack you kept having (or half the amount) and increase the walking.

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs"

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

For anyone interested, there’s a few apps around now that do all the calorie in calorie out work for you now. No guess work, you put in your daily morning weight + calories consumed for the day and it does all the work for you

The free method is NSuns TDEE spreadsheet. Just google it.

Layne Norton has an app called Carbon that’s a lot more user friendly. He’s very respected in the community and carbon is a fantastic app.

The stronger by science podcast with Greg Nuckols and Eric Trexler are releasing an app this week I believe too. Both extremely well respected in their fields, and their podcast is worth a listen too if you want science based facts around diet, training and other feats of strength

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

take out the fizzy drinks if you have them replace them with bottles of water

and cut out raw sugar from your tea cold turkey no sugar replacement what so ever

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By *endydick.CumbersnatchMan
over a year ago

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"These threads never fail to amaze me

It’s almost like the less someone knows about diet, the more confident they are to post their dribble

OP, if you want some actual advice from someone that’s trained on giving it, drop me a private message. "

Gotta agree with you. So much content that could end up on r/FatLogic.

I've manipulated my weight for years now for racing and worked with professional nutritionist. Sample size of 1 and my word only, but the whole cohort I was racing and working with all saw the same dramatic changes. Some of the advice I had from forums, YouTube, magazines and god knows where else they ripped apart in a couple of hours, gave me a tool kit of dietary advice, fed me as part of a study for a month and the differences not just in weight management but also performance was just unbelievable. Night and day differences. This was related to my sport so more about maximizing performance and w/kg but the bad logic which I had picked up (even at a BMI of 25, thinking fit and healthy etc) they tore to pieces. I learned so much bad advice which they corrected and now I can weight manage up and down with ease around events while still pushing out the performance. One of the biggest revelations was just how bad general weightloss and diet advice is on forums like this, magazines and just in general discussions and marketing.

If your getting advice from a swingers forum on how to change your weight, you'll get hundreds of different answers, bucket tons of fatlogic that won't work, snake oils, diet short cuts that wont last and just crap advice. You'll still be above your target weight no matter how many times your cut and switch which bit of cherry picked advice your going to try the next week.

OP - use a few proven, professional services websites for sound advice; if other (fit and proven effective!) swinger offer to help support you with more tailored or personal advice and have a background in nutrition, sport science or sport performance offer help, take them up on it. And stick to it. Generally 4 week windows for body adaptions, but if you get it right, it's life style changes and long term, not another fab, excuse, rebound, more advice and go around again. It takes perseverance and commitment.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"These threads never fail to amaze me

It’s almost like the less someone knows about diet, the more confident they are to post their dribble

OP, if you want some actual advice from someone that’s trained on giving it, drop me a private message.

Gotta agree with you. So much content that could end up on r/FatLogic.

I've manipulated my weight for years now for racing and worked with professional nutritionist. Sample size of 1 and my word only, but the whole cohort I was racing and working with all saw the same dramatic changes. Some of the advice I had from forums, YouTube, magazines and god knows where else they ripped apart in a couple of hours, gave me a tool kit of dietary advice, fed me as part of a study for a month and the differences not just in weight management but also performance was just unbelievable. Night and day differences. This was related to my sport so more about maximizing performance and w/kg but the bad logic which I had picked up (even at a BMI of 25, thinking fit and healthy etc) they tore to pieces. I learned so much bad advice which they corrected and now I can weight manage up and down with ease around events while still pushing out the performance. One of the biggest revelations was just how bad general weightloss and diet advice is on forums like this, magazines and just in general discussions and marketing.

If your getting advice from a swingers forum on how to change your weight, you'll get hundreds of different answers, bucket tons of fatlogic that won't work, snake oils, diet short cuts that wont last and just crap advice. You'll still be above your target weight no matter how many times your cut and switch which bit of cherry picked advice your going to try the next week.

OP - use a few proven, professional services websites for sound advice; if other (fit and proven effective!) swinger offer to help support you with more tailored or personal advice and have a background in nutrition, sport science or sport performance offer help, take them up on it. And stick to it. Generally 4 week windows for body adaptions, but if you get it right, it's life style changes and long term, not another fab, excuse, rebound, more advice and go around again. It takes perseverance and commitment.

"

R/fat logic

I need this in my life.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Running and Meal Replacement shakes not long term fix but great way to lose weight...

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

That's what I did cutting out Items that pile on the weight thou easier said than done do it in stages Ice cream first, chocolate next or vice a versa, then crisps etc thou doing all this in one before christmas is a tall order it took me a year or two to do after years and years of eating them from as a kid, when you find your winning the battle don,t slip back by temptation buy some fruit apples or easy peelers oranges chill them in the fridge and treat yourself to them sparingly at night cut down on any beer etc if you drink yes exercise and one skipped meal will not do any harm when you start to see positive changes your will power should kick in bit by bit even now with only a short period before christmas give it ago and prove to yourself it works even if it takes longer than you,d like it to..

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Can anyone advise me how to breathe? I seemed to be doing fine for millions of years but it’s all gone to shit now , is there a forum , book or DVD?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cut out Coffee nearly completely (was on 20pints a day at times) and switched to squash for Medical Grounds .. lost 3st in 3months

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

The easiest thing is to talk and pontificate about losing weight.

The lady in work chastised me when I went on a strict ish diet to look better for my swinging holiday.

Best just loose 1 pound a week she said.

Funny though, that was 2 years ago and she got quite shitty with me when I asked if she had lost around 100 pounds since she mentioned her 1 pound weight loss programme.

Like I said, easy to talk about it, lot harder to do it, even harder to stick to it.

Basically, no such thing as a diet, it's a change in life style for long term results.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

Funny that no one has mentioned the slimming club featured In The league of gentlemen.

Dust anybody, Just Dust, it's very low in fat, you can eat as much Dust as you like.

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By *ettaManMan
over a year ago

Kerry and Dublin


"3 years ago i was 76 kgs

now i am 80kgs

i want to lose 4 kgs

can anyone recomend a plan for me to lose this weight by xmas

i like walking. i eat healthy but do have a few choc bars and crisps

tia"

Get the my fitness pal app and figure out your recommended daily calorie intake. Then start tracking the calories you eat and the exercise you do. Try to maintain a 300-500 calorie deficit per day and don't let the weekends set you back.

This might mean cutting down on snacks or doing more exercise.

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By *endydick.CumbersnatchMan
over a year ago

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"Funny that no one has mentioned the slimming club featured In The league of gentlemen.

Dust anybody, Just Dust, it's very low in fat, you can eat as much Dust as you like."

wasn't that Little Britain?

LoG would be selling yourself to Briss the butchers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can anyone advise me how to breathe? I seemed to be doing fine for millions of years but it’s all gone to shit now , is there a forum , book or DVD? "

Millions of years! You look good for your age

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport


"Funny that no one has mentioned the slimming club featured In The league of gentlemen.

Dust anybody, Just Dust, it's very low in fat, you can eat as much Dust as you like.

wasn't that Little Britain?

LoG would be selling yourself to Briss the butchers."

Yes you are right it was Little Britain. Along with Tom Baker saying 80% of Americans are obese the other 20% are just plain fat.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts "

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

Have you tried IF? "

Intermittent fasting?......I don't think I could cope without food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated."

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing!

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! "
. there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the tricky bit is how you're measuring the in and out bit. They're always going to be estimates.

Strength training definitely helps.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! . there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim."

There’s just a very good chance your not actually in a deficit if your weight isn’t moving.

Coz let’s be honest, you aren’t the first human ever to beat starvation. Dieting is just a very controlled version of starving. You don’t take in enough food, so your body must compensate by using its reserve fuels

There’s also a good chance that your TDEE has dropped as you’ve been dieting. And might only be in a very small calorie deficit now, if any at all

And then how strict are you really being with counting everything? Don’t answer, because telling me “very strict” means nothing, you need to be honest with yourself. How often are you letting little treats slide? Or not counting the sugar/milk in a tea coffee?

To say that a calorie deficit isn’t working is like saying “I’m immune to starvation”. No ones immune, there’s an energy balance going on within the body. You can’t cheat that.

It might be good to take a diet break for a week or 2 to refresh, then hit it head on again with a stricter mindset, and the knowledge that your TDEE 6 months ago might not be your TDEE today.

1000 calorie deficit should work out to about 1kg a week lost. I personally think that’s too high a deficit, especially since look at your pictures, your no where near big enough to require that kind of deficit. I’d recommend 200-300 maximum.

The next is to figure out your TDEE as accurately as possible. There’s apps and spreadsheets that do that for you. But the easiest way is to set a calorie target, hit it daily, weigh yourself daily and see what happens a week. Weight stayed the same? Or went up? Calories too high, drop by 100-200. Weight goes down slowly? Keep it there. Weight goes down by a lot? The deficit might be too big, to make it more sustainable maybe add 100-200 calories and reassess

Whenever these things come up I always try to remind people that we have 100s of studies out there showing calorie deficits work, don’t think for a second your any different

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! "

Muscle isn't heavier than fat. A lb of muscle weighs the same as a lb of fat. It's denser meaning there will be less of the muscle in a lb than there will be of the fat.

But like the old 'which is heavier? A tonne of feathers or a tonne of rocks' (might not be rocks, just went with something denser )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks. Always useful to be educated on the semantics. Wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my meaning..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Thanks. Always useful to be educated on the semantics. Wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my meaning.. "

It's not semantics though.... Irs science

Always happy to help though, so you're welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Language = semantics.

I doubt anybody was confused by the science.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Thanks. Always useful to be educated on the semantics. Wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my meaning..

It's not semantics though.... Irs science

Always happy to help though, so you're welcome "

Well if we wanna get fancy, when comparing weights we usually talk about a defined volume. So in that sense, muscle is heavier than fat. Because a 1m cubed block of muscle would weigh more than a 1m cubed block of fat

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Thanks. Always useful to be educated on the semantics. Wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my meaning..

It's not semantics though.... Irs science

Always happy to help though, so you're welcome

Well if we wanna get fancy, when comparing weights we usually talk about a defined volume. So in that sense, muscle is heavier than fat. Because a 1m cubed block of muscle would weigh more than a 1m cubed block of fat "

That's density. 1lb of fat and 1lb of muscle both weigh 1lb. It's just you can squish more muscle than fat into a given volume of space. The amount of stuff you can squish into a given volume = density.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol shall we argue next about how to dig half a hole?...

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Thanks. Always useful to be educated on the semantics. Wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my meaning..

It's not semantics though.... Irs science

Always happy to help though, so you're welcome

Well if we wanna get fancy, when comparing weights we usually talk about a defined volume. So in that sense, muscle is heavier than fat. Because a 1m cubed block of muscle would weigh more than a 1m cubed block of fat

That's density. 1lb of fat and 1lb of muscle both weigh 1lb. It's just you can squish more muscle than fat into a given volume of space. The amount of stuff you can squish into a given volume = density."

No ones debating what weighs more, 1lb of fat or muscle, the statement was

“Muscle weighs more than fat”

Which is accurate. Because muscle is denser and weighs more given an equal volume compared to fat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went from 19st10 to 15st8 in 4 months by dieting and doing incrementally longer cardio! Up to 10 miles 5 days a week and feeling great!

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! . there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim.

There’s just a very good chance your not actually in a deficit if your weight isn’t moving.

Coz let’s be honest, you aren’t the first human ever to beat starvation. Dieting is just a very controlled version of starving. You don’t take in enough food, so your body must compensate by using its reserve fuels

There’s also a good chance that your TDEE has dropped as you’ve been dieting. And might only be in a very small calorie deficit now, if any at all

And then how strict are you really being with counting everything? Don’t answer, because telling me “very strict” means nothing, you need to be honest with yourself. How often are you letting little treats slide? Or not counting the sugar/milk in a tea coffee?

To say that a calorie deficit isn’t working is like saying “I’m immune to starvation”. No ones immune, there’s an energy balance going on within the body. You can’t cheat that.

It might be good to take a diet break for a week or 2 to refresh, then hit it head on again with a stricter mindset, and the knowledge that your TDEE 6 months ago might not be your TDEE today.

1000 calorie deficit should work out to about 1kg a week lost. I personally think that’s too high a deficit, especially since look at your pictures, your no where near big enough to require that kind of deficit. I’d recommend 200-300 maximum.

The next is to figure out your TDEE as accurately as possible. There’s apps and spreadsheets that do that for you. But the easiest way is to set a calorie target, hit it daily, weigh yourself daily and see what happens a week. Weight stayed the same? Or went up? Calories too high, drop by 100-200. Weight goes down slowly? Keep it there. Weight goes down by a lot? The deficit might be too big, to make it more sustainable maybe add 100-200 calories and reassess

Whenever these things come up I always try to remind people that we have 100s of studies out there showing calorie deficits work, don’t think for a second your any different "

I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere.

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By *RSTCouple
over a year ago

S. Northants


"Cut out the crap.

Don't eat after your evening meal.

Stop snacking in between meals.

Actually listen to your belly and not the clock...by that I mean if you're not hungry don't eat because it's dinner time. One skipped meal won't kill you

Walk more if you enjoy it.

It's more about what you put in your mouth than anything else."

THIS!

Try using an app like my fitness pal to simply monitor what you're eating. I'm sure by logging the foods you will quickly realise what you don't need.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! . there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim.

There’s just a very good chance your not actually in a deficit if your weight isn’t moving.

Coz let’s be honest, you aren’t the first human ever to beat starvation. Dieting is just a very controlled version of starving. You don’t take in enough food, so your body must compensate by using its reserve fuels

There’s also a good chance that your TDEE has dropped as you’ve been dieting. And might only be in a very small calorie deficit now, if any at all

And then how strict are you really being with counting everything? Don’t answer, because telling me “very strict” means nothing, you need to be honest with yourself. How often are you letting little treats slide? Or not counting the sugar/milk in a tea coffee?

To say that a calorie deficit isn’t working is like saying “I’m immune to starvation”. No ones immune, there’s an energy balance going on within the body. You can’t cheat that.

It might be good to take a diet break for a week or 2 to refresh, then hit it head on again with a stricter mindset, and the knowledge that your TDEE 6 months ago might not be your TDEE today.

1000 calorie deficit should work out to about 1kg a week lost. I personally think that’s too high a deficit, especially since look at your pictures, your no where near big enough to require that kind of deficit. I’d recommend 200-300 maximum.

The next is to figure out your TDEE as accurately as possible. There’s apps and spreadsheets that do that for you. But the easiest way is to set a calorie target, hit it daily, weigh yourself daily and see what happens a week. Weight stayed the same? Or went up? Calories too high, drop by 100-200. Weight goes down slowly? Keep it there. Weight goes down by a lot? The deficit might be too big, to make it more sustainable maybe add 100-200 calories and reassess

Whenever these things come up I always try to remind people that we have 100s of studies out there showing calorie deficits work, don’t think for a second your any different

I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere."

Fit bits are known for being very unreliable with calorie estimation. Your probably burning way less than you think

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! . there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim.

There’s just a very good chance your not actually in a deficit if your weight isn’t moving.

Coz let’s be honest, you aren’t the first human ever to beat starvation. Dieting is just a very controlled version of starving. You don’t take in enough food, so your body must compensate by using its reserve fuels

There’s also a good chance that your TDEE has dropped as you’ve been dieting. And might only be in a very small calorie deficit now, if any at all

And then how strict are you really being with counting everything? Don’t answer, because telling me “very strict” means nothing, you need to be honest with yourself. How often are you letting little treats slide? Or not counting the sugar/milk in a tea coffee?

To say that a calorie deficit isn’t working is like saying “I’m immune to starvation”. No ones immune, there’s an energy balance going on within the body. You can’t cheat that.

It might be good to take a diet break for a week or 2 to refresh, then hit it head on again with a stricter mindset, and the knowledge that your TDEE 6 months ago might not be your TDEE today.

1000 calorie deficit should work out to about 1kg a week lost. I personally think that’s too high a deficit, especially since look at your pictures, your no where near big enough to require that kind of deficit. I’d recommend 200-300 maximum.

The next is to figure out your TDEE as accurately as possible. There’s apps and spreadsheets that do that for you. But the easiest way is to set a calorie target, hit it daily, weigh yourself daily and see what happens a week. Weight stayed the same? Or went up? Calories too high, drop by 100-200. Weight goes down slowly? Keep it there. Weight goes down by a lot? The deficit might be too big, to make it more sustainable maybe add 100-200 calories and reassess

Whenever these things come up I always try to remind people that we have 100s of studies out there showing calorie deficits work, don’t think for a second your any different

I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere.

Fit bits are known for being very unreliable with calorie estimation. Your probably burning way less than you think "

I've heard they can be about 40% wrong but at that I'm still in a calorie deficit. If it says I'm in a 1000 calorie deficit if 40% wrong then I'm still in a 600 deficit.

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By *onb21Woman
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere."

Your PT would have included your activity level in the calories calculation. If you are adding your workouts to MFP, not sure if you are, it would be counted twice and push you over your allowance.

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over a year ago


"I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere.

Your PT would have included your activity level in the calories calculation. If you are adding your workouts to MFP, not sure if you are, it would be counted twice and push you over your allowance."

You can still see how many cals you've consumed on MFP though, not counting workouts even when you log them. So for example for a 1500 cal allowance it would say:

1000 (eaten) + 500 (burned through exercise) = 1000 remaining

If you go by the remaining amount then yeah you'd be over, but MFP doesn't modify the calories you've already tracked even if you log workouts

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere.

Your PT would have included your activity level in the calories calculation. If you are adding your workouts to MFP, not sure if you are, it would be counted twice and push you over your allowance."
.No I don't add my exercise in to mfp. I'll just keep plodding on,I'm getting physically fitter which is the main priority.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! . there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim.

There’s just a very good chance your not actually in a deficit if your weight isn’t moving.

Coz let’s be honest, you aren’t the first human ever to beat starvation. Dieting is just a very controlled version of starving. You don’t take in enough food, so your body must compensate by using its reserve fuels

There’s also a good chance that your TDEE has dropped as you’ve been dieting. And might only be in a very small calorie deficit now, if any at all

And then how strict are you really being with counting everything? Don’t answer, because telling me “very strict” means nothing, you need to be honest with yourself. How often are you letting little treats slide? Or not counting the sugar/milk in a tea coffee?

To say that a calorie deficit isn’t working is like saying “I’m immune to starvation”. No ones immune, there’s an energy balance going on within the body. You can’t cheat that.

It might be good to take a diet break for a week or 2 to refresh, then hit it head on again with a stricter mindset, and the knowledge that your TDEE 6 months ago might not be your TDEE today.

1000 calorie deficit should work out to about 1kg a week lost. I personally think that’s too high a deficit, especially since look at your pictures, your no where near big enough to require that kind of deficit. I’d recommend 200-300 maximum.

The next is to figure out your TDEE as accurately as possible. There’s apps and spreadsheets that do that for you. But the easiest way is to set a calorie target, hit it daily, weigh yourself daily and see what happens a week. Weight stayed the same? Or went up? Calories too high, drop by 100-200. Weight goes down slowly? Keep it there. Weight goes down by a lot? The deficit might be too big, to make it more sustainable maybe add 100-200 calories and reassess

Whenever these things come up I always try to remind people that we have 100s of studies out there showing calorie deficits work, don’t think for a second your any different

I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere.

Fit bits are known for being very unreliable with calorie estimation. Your probably burning way less than you think

I've heard they can be about 40% wrong but at that I'm still in a calorie deficit. If it says I'm in a 1000 calorie deficit if 40% wrong then I'm still in a 600 deficit."

That’s not how maths works

If it’s 40% out, it’s 40% out of your TDEE not your deficit

So 40% of a 2000 calorie estimated TDEE is 800 calories

Plus, if you know it’s potentially 40% out, why are you following it? What is “pretty accurate” to you? 40% out isn’t pretty accurate

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

I am having a chat with my PT this morning instead of taking advice from people who may be PT's but they aren't coming across to me as very knowledgeable in the subject. There are so many other factors to weight loss to be taken into consideration as everyone is an individual. Yes the theory of cals in v cals out should work but there are many other contributing factors.

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over a year ago

Durham

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over a year ago

As the above poster said, varying factors can be involved. But wether u lose weight or not from attending a gym or working out at home or walks running bikes etc . Keep up the exercise as it will stand to you anyway, and leave you in a better position to tweak diets or whatever as you go on .

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"Good luck OP, hope you find something that works.

I'm in a 500-1000 calorie deficit a day, work out 4 times a week but the weight just won't come off. It's a real struggle continuously.

Mrs

If you training that much and working out then you aren’t eating enough… need high protein foods to support muscles while training and a 1000 deficit for me is not sustainable .. just my thoughts

Someone else said this but if I eat more then weight goes on. I'm totally frustrated.

If you're training hard it's tricky to find the balance between getting enough fuel to keep you going but still lose weight.

I read an interesting article the other day claiming that people that got 8 hours sleep while training were found to have burned fat while those that had less sleep were burning muscle more than fat. Although if muscle is heavier than fat maybe that's a good thing! . there seems to be so much science behind it all, it's certainly not just a case of calories in versus calories out, or I'd be slim.

There’s just a very good chance your not actually in a deficit if your weight isn’t moving.

Coz let’s be honest, you aren’t the first human ever to beat starvation. Dieting is just a very controlled version of starving. You don’t take in enough food, so your body must compensate by using its reserve fuels

There’s also a good chance that your TDEE has dropped as you’ve been dieting. And might only be in a very small calorie deficit now, if any at all

And then how strict are you really being with counting everything? Don’t answer, because telling me “very strict” means nothing, you need to be honest with yourself. How often are you letting little treats slide? Or not counting the sugar/milk in a tea coffee?

To say that a calorie deficit isn’t working is like saying “I’m immune to starvation”. No ones immune, there’s an energy balance going on within the body. You can’t cheat that.

It might be good to take a diet break for a week or 2 to refresh, then hit it head on again with a stricter mindset, and the knowledge that your TDEE 6 months ago might not be your TDEE today.

1000 calorie deficit should work out to about 1kg a week lost. I personally think that’s too high a deficit, especially since look at your pictures, your no where near big enough to require that kind of deficit. I’d recommend 200-300 maximum.

The next is to figure out your TDEE as accurately as possible. There’s apps and spreadsheets that do that for you. But the easiest way is to set a calorie target, hit it daily, weigh yourself daily and see what happens a week. Weight stayed the same? Or went up? Calories too high, drop by 100-200. Weight goes down slowly? Keep it there. Weight goes down by a lot? The deficit might be too big, to make it more sustainable maybe add 100-200 calories and reassess

Whenever these things come up I always try to remind people that we have 100s of studies out there showing calorie deficits work, don’t think for a second your any different

I use myfitnesspal to track all food, incl milk in coffee and the little bit of squash in my water, and I even weigh my dollop of ketchup, everything is tracked honestly.

I use a Fitbit to track calories burned which I know isn't 100% accurate but gives a good guide.

I've been given my calories and macros by a PT. I'm trying very very hard but feel I'm not getting anywhere.

Fit bits are known for being very unreliable with calorie estimation. Your probably burning way less than you think

I've heard they can be about 40% wrong but at that I'm still in a calorie deficit. If it says I'm in a 1000 calorie deficit if 40% wrong then I'm still in a 600 deficit.

That’s not how maths works

If it’s 40% out, it’s 40% out of your TDEE not your deficit

So 40% of a 2000 calorie estimated TDEE is 800 calories

Plus, if you know it’s potentially 40% out, why are you following it? What is “pretty accurate” to you? 40% out isn’t pretty accurate "

If according to the figures from my Fitbit and mfp if my calorie deficit is 1000, then I disegregard 40% of the deficit to allow for Fitbit not being accurate which is 400, then that takes my deficit down to 600. It's maths.

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By *ibonacciMan
over a year ago

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Wow. Lots of advice from people on here; I'm guessing based on things that work for them.

One thing I didn't read much of is the 'age' variable.

I used to be able to lose weight easily with modifications to diet and/or exercise pattern up to mid 30s.

After 40 my metabolism changed so much that the things I used to do stopped working and I had to radically change.

Now I've found that - for me - the diet is most important. Sugar and processed cards (Bread, pasta, cereals) have had to be mostly binned if I want to stand a chance.

Its spartan and it not enjoyable most of the time (as I like my tasty food), but my only pointer is to get help from someone who is knowledgeable about your age range in terms of nutrition and weight control and factor in what you know about your own body.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham


"As the above poster said, varying factors can be involved. But wether u lose weight or not from attending a gym or working out at home or walks running bikes etc . Keep up the exercise as it will stand to you anyway, and leave you in a better position to tweak diets or whatever as you go on . "

Thank you. And I'm so much fitter and healthier than when I started my journey, which is the main thing, the bonus is being a stone lighter but that's taken 8 months to do.

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over a year ago


"Wow. Lots of advice from people on here; I'm guessing based on things that work for them.

One thing I didn't read much of is the 'age' variable.

I used to be able to lose weight easily with modifications to diet and/or exercise pattern up to mid 30s.

After 40 my metabolism changed so much that the things I used to do stopped working and I had to radically change.

Now I've found that - for me - the diet is most important. Sugar and processed cards (Bread, pasta, cereals) have had to be mostly binned if I want to stand a chance.

Its spartan and it not enjoyable most of the time (as I like my tasty food), but my only pointer is to get help from someone who is knowledgeable about your age range in terms of nutrition and weight control and factor in what you know about your own body."

Have you tried sourdough? I can’t eat other bread, but can tolerate this (Co-op do a lovely fresh baked one)

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