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By *usman 199 OP   Man
over a year ago

Stockport

Morning all . Listening to the radio on my way in should she be allowed back into the UK. She has said she would cooperate with the relevant authorities. The argument was she was only 15 she didn't know what she was doing .not so sure myself .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that.

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By *usman 199 OP   Man
over a year ago

Stockport


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that. "
OK fair comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that. "

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Yes

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

She was born in the UK. Therefore she is a product of our society. Just because you denaturalise someone doesn’t override the fact that she was born here.

People might not like that but then again, I am sure Syria don’t like being a dumping ground for other peoples problems

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that. "

Would you care to share your reasons for saying no ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Yes"

Would you care to share your reasons for saying yes Yas ?

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By *TK421-Man
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I know what I was like at 15...

Very, very different from the man I am today.

There's going to be very heated debates on this but frankly my view is she was a child. Brainwashed. And I believe people can change. You will always be more aware of this person. Counciling and assesment on our soil is needed.

It's not going to be popular but I'm being honest.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"Yes

Would you care to share your reasons for saying yes Yas ?"

I will because every deserves chances why be so judgemental

Your honour

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


" The argument was she was only 15 "

About sums it up for me

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By *ninja000Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Smash

Oh, it's not that type of thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, at the age of 15 I had been working 2 years and was conscious of life decisions and how to be sensible and a couple of years later I had signed up for the I’m military service to represent our country….leaving your own country to join a terrorist organisation is not a “I didn’t know what I was doing” situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know what I was like at 15...

Very, very different from the man I am today.

There's going to be very heated debates on this but frankly my view is she was a child. Brainwashed. And I believe people can change. You will always be more aware of this person. Counciling and assesment on our soil is needed.

It's not going to be popular but I'm being honest."

Indeed.

The teenage girls who were brainwashed/ groomed by certain gangs in the UK have been given help.

Perhaps they should have been abandoned instead.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"She was born in the UK. Therefore she is a product of our society. Just because you denaturalise someone doesn’t override the fact that she was born here.

People might not like that but then again, I am sure Syria don’t like being a dumping ground for other peoples problems "

Exactly it has zero to do with tax payers or what she did or didn’t do , is she British still , was she legally naturalised and holds citizenship of another country , if so maybe they can take her, who knows the law in this area ? probably not some racists on a swinging site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Smash

Oh, it's not that type of thread"

I must admit she looked a lot better on TV yesterday than before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that.

Would you care to share your reasons for saying no ? "

Exactly that what reason i said. If she comes back she will have to go before court on terror charges. Why should I pay for that? Why should I have to pay to keep that scumbag fed and watered for 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She is British, our responsibility... So she should come back here, be charged and tried for any crimes committed and given the opportunity to rehabilitate.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"She is British, our responsibility... So she should come back here, be charged and tried for any crimes committed and given the opportunity to rehabilitate.

"

Well said x

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By *ovetolearnMan
over a year ago

middlesbrough

Personally i can't see why she wants to come back to the UK? It will be impossible for her to have any kind of normal life here as people will hunt her out, including the press and ultimately her life will be made a misery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She is British, our responsibility... So she should come back here, be charged and tried for any crimes committed and given the opportunity to rehabilitate.

"

She can't be tried in the UK for crimes committed in Syria.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Why should I have to pay for her yeah right like single handedly you will be paying for her get of your high horse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She is British, our responsibility... So she should come back here, be charged and tried for any crimes committed and given the opportunity to rehabilitate.

"

Er er this happened last year in July 2020.

Shamima Begum will not be allowed to return to the UK to fight the decision to remove her citizenship, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Happy days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At first I used to think no way, she knew what she was doing, she made her bed, let her lie in it.

However as more time has passed I'm thinking, yes we should take her back now.

She made a massive mistake and if she comes back to the UK she can go through the justice system and any punishment deemed necessary handed out.

If no punishment is given then she can be given the help she needs to transform back in our society.

Having said that there's now way she'll lead a normal life. I actually think she have more chance of being killed or murdered over here than where she is now.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

We need an island to exile her kind to.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"We need an island to exile her kind to."

Australia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WOW, yesterday everyone defended Gove for racist remarks caught on tape but said "ah he was only 26 when he said those things, I said stupid things when I was that young too"

Today, it's argued that a young woman can be held responsible for things done as a teenager when she was clearly groomed by much more astute people.

If we can't help a young woman when she made a mistake as a teenager, or hold a grown man resposnsible for saying racist things, at what point do people become responsible for what they say and do? And is that point different for a white man than it is for a brown girl?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She is British, our responsibility... So she should come back here, be charged and tried for any crimes committed and given the opportunity to rehabilitate.

She can't be tried in the UK for crimes committed in Syria."

Why not, British paedophile have been tried for crimes overseas, as have British soldiers for alleged war crimes.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

She committed her crimes in Syria. Let her stand trial and be punished there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, at the age of 15 I had been working 2 years and was conscious of life decisions and how to be sensible and a couple of years later I had signed up for the I’m military service to represent our country….leaving your own country to join a terrorist organisation is not a “I didn’t know what I was doing” situation"

Your an exception to the average person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child."

Well said x

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"No, at the age of 15 I had been working 2 years and was conscious of life decisions and how to be sensible and a couple of years later I had signed up for the I’m military service to represent our country….leaving your own country to join a terrorist organisation is not a “I didn’t know what I was doing” situation

Your an exception to the average person. "

Plenty of people do this

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child."

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Where would she be most in danger, Syria or here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There should be more concern about individuals like Anjem Chaudray and others in this country than Shamima Begum. He was a lead recruiter for ISIS, held and still holds extreme views.

He only got a 5 year sentence in 2016 and was out in 2018. His ban from public speaking was lifted this year. It seems Shamima is a easy popular target for the government.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I care more about how the victims of her atrocities feel. If she was convicted in the UK she would live a far better life than any of the relatives of the poor people that she thought deserved to be decapitated

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"She committed her crimes in Syria. Let her stand trial and be punished there "

...and then they will do as we do and deport her back to us?

That seems fair. We can't have it both ways, deporting foreign nationals we don't like, but not accepting our own back in.

...and before anyone says anything different, she is British. She was born here, held a UK passport, that is what legally makes you British (no matter what illegal steps our politicians take to avoid dealing with our mess).

We would not even be having these discussions if she had gone on the rampage in London or somewhere. We would simply be locking her up and trying to understand what went wrong in our society that she ended up like that.

That's pretty much what we need to do now.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

Too late, she has been brainwashed into their way of thinking. A huge security risk.

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By *ifornowCouple
over a year ago

Skegness

“A great deal of what we see depends on what we are looking for.”........

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By *unguy30Man
over a year ago

London

Definitely a challenging wank

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, let her in...only if she has a HGV License tho

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes, let her in...only if she has a HGV License tho "

Lol. Seriously, don’t put her behind a wheel!

Make her wash the arses of our elderly in need instead.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"She committed her crimes in Syria. Let her stand trial and be punished there

...and then they will do as we do and deport her back to us?

That seems fair. We can't have it both ways, deporting foreign nationals we don't like, but not accepting our own back in.

...and before anyone says anything different, she is British. She was born here, held a UK passport, that is what legally makes you British (no matter what illegal steps our politicians take to avoid dealing with our mess).

We would not even be having these discussions if she had gone on the rampage in London or somewhere. We would simply be locking her up and trying to understand what went wrong in our society that she ended up like that.

That's pretty much what we need to do now."

Apparently 13% of our prison population is foreign nationals. It seems we have the right to deport them but rarely do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She committed her crimes in Syria. Let her stand trial and be punished there

...and then they will do as we do and deport her back to us?

That seems fair. We can't have it both ways, deporting foreign nationals we don't like, but not accepting our own back in.

...and before anyone says anything different, she is British. She was born here, held a UK passport, that is what legally makes you British (no matter what illegal steps our politicians take to avoid dealing with our mess).

We would not even be having these discussions if she had gone on the rampage in London or somewhere. We would simply be locking her up and trying to understand what went wrong in our society that she ended up like that.

That's pretty much what we need to do now."

At the moment her treatment is a great recruitment example for other who may be targets for conversion to extremism.

Can see it now " look this country never excepts you, even if you are born here, you will be treated differently "

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Undecided yet if you are going to use the argument that she was only 15 where does that stand with all the other liberties that are being argued should be given to people such as giving them the vote at 16?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Question. Would we be having the same conversation if she was white?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Question. Would we be having the same conversation if she was white?"

???

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"We need an island to exile her kind to."

Great Britain is an island.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Question. Would we be having the same conversation if she was white?"

No, the government also wouldn't have revoked her citizenship.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I don't accept she is a victim without blame.

But I do accept she is our responsibility, we can't export our criminals.

She commented crimes in a foreign country so first step should be that country is allowed to put her on trail and face its justice system first.

If they do not want put her on trail she has to come back here as she is not a citizen of anywhere else. You can't just make her a world citizen.

If she is not tried abroad then any crimes could be tested in court here.

Saying why should our taxes pay for her could be said about any criminal.

She is a huge risk though in terms of how indoctrinated she is in wanting to kill non believers.

So whilst she should come back that may mean long or life long monitoring and/or incasaration.

I do think the mental health act is under utilised in these cases. If you had an average bloke hearing voices to kill people then they would be locked up for public safety as we don't accept people wandering the streets with that belief.

So I see no reason why that cannot be applied to those who believe the same from their reading of the Internet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The powers that be know shit that we mere mortal plebs (well me anyway) don’t know so I go with their decision and no don’t let it back.

T

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Question. Would we be having the same conversation if she was white?"

Yes. They refused to extradite Jack Letts too

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

Great Britain is an island."

Duh. Another island obviously. Remote.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"Question. Would we be having the same conversation if she was white?

Yes. They refused to extradite Jack Letts too"

Yep they did, but still seems a wrong course of action to leave a problem on another countries doorstep, a country where he has never lived.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

She was 15 some at that age are intelligent and street smart, most aren’t.

I served and joined up at 17 I now regret giving my youth to the Army, so the Man I am now is not the boy I was at 17. So decisions made as a teenager shouldn’t be held against anyone.

She’s our problem no one else’s, bring her back, de radicalise her and hopefully she’ll understand what her religion real message is and it’s not jihad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The powers that be know shit that we mere mortal plebs (well me anyway) don’t know so I go with their decision and no don’t let it back.

T"

The powers that be told everyone to shake hands a week before they put us into lockdown.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"She was born in the UK. Therefore she is a product of our society. Just because you denaturalise someone doesn’t override the fact that she was born here.

People might not like that but then again, I am sure Syria don’t like being a dumping ground for other peoples problems "

Exactly. If our society creates the conditions that allow children to be groomed and to become radicalised, it is the responsibility of our society to come to terms with and seek to rectify the consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution."

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"WOW, yesterday everyone defended Gove for racist remarks caught on tape but said "ah he was only 26 when he said those things, I said stupid things when I was that young too"

Today, it's argued that a young woman can be held responsible for things done as a teenager when she was clearly groomed by much more astute people.

If we can't help a young woman when she made a mistake as a teenager, or hold a grown man resposnsible for saying racist things, at what point do people become responsible for what they say and do? And is that point different for a white man than it is for a brown girl?"

Good point

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Question. Would we be having the same conversation if she was white?

Yes. They refused to extradite Jack Letts too

Yep they did, but still seems a wrong course of action to leave a problem on another countries doorstep, a country where he has never lived. "

I was merely responding to previous post about her not being white

I happen to think that if you commit crimes in a certain country then that's where you should face justice. I think the victims of her crimes would want the same

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society."

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Teens are susceptible to manipulation. She is not the only such case. There is a disturbing documentary on YT titled "My daughter and the caliphate" It's done by Deutche Welle and shows what had happened to a German teen who ended up in IS and was then admitted back into the country. It's not easy watching. Shamima was quite combative in her initial interviews and only changed her tune when she was told she'll be stripped of her citizenship and not allowed back. Only then she started to show remorse and has been trying to find her way back in.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

It’s always amazing that people find it hard to believe a teenager can be influenced by a ‘lethal cult’, when millions of adults in this country have voted the lethal cult of the Conservatives into power on many occasions.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing."

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth


"WOW, yesterday everyone defended Gove for racist remarks caught on tape but said "ah he was only 26 when he said those things, I said stupid things when I was that young too"

Today, it's argued that a young woman can be held responsible for things done as a teenager when she was clearly groomed by much more astute people.

If we can't help a young woman when she made a mistake as a teenager, or hold a grown man resposnsible for saying racist things, at what point do people become responsible for what they say and do? And is that point different for a white man than it is for a brown girl?"

Well said

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?"

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking."

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision."

Not at all. I’m a realist not a paranoid person.

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london


"Personally i can't see why she wants to come back to the UK? It will be impossible for her to have any kind of normal life here as people will hunt her out, including the press and ultimately her life will be made a misery"

Her life is probably a misery right now and the life you describe, should she return, would be better in her eyes. Hence why she wants to return

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision.

Not at all. I’m a realist not a paranoid person."

You’re someone who mistakes what we have in the UK for an open and tolerant society, so your claim to be a realist is a tenuous one at best.

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By *AURA6969TV/TS
over a year ago

RUGBY


"I know what I was like at 15...

Very, very different from the man I am today.

There's going to be very heated debates on this but frankly my view is she was a child. Brainwashed. And I believe people can change. You will always be more aware of this person. Counciling and assesment on our soil is needed.

It's not going to be popular but I'm being honest.

Indeed.

The teenage girls who were brainwashed/ groomed by certain gangs in the UK have been given help.

Perhaps they should have been abandoned instead. "
HELP sorry what help are you referring to because they have been told by a female mp to get over it and keep quiet for the sake of diversity and there are young girls still being abused and groomed now.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision.

Not at all. I’m a realist not a paranoid person.

You’re someone who mistakes what we have in the UK for an open and tolerant society, so your claim to be a realist is a tenuous one at best."

Not at all. If it were a true police state I’d have been jailed years ago.

I’m sorry you feel so bad about it here. Try Russia. Bit cold but you might be happier?

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By *icklixitMan
over a year ago

sunderland


"Morning all . Listening to the radio on my way in should she be allowed back into the UK. She has said she would cooperate with the relevant authorities. The argument was she was only 15 she didn't know what she was doing .not so sure myself ."

The UK gov have stated that they have intelligence led evidence that she was directly involved in atrocities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

Australia "

Oi! (Aussie)

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By *AURA6969TV/TS
over a year ago

RUGBY


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

Australia

Oi! (Aussie)"

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country."

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know what I was like at 15...

Very, very different from the man I am today.

There's going to be very heated debates on this but frankly my view is she was a child. Brainwashed. And I believe people can change. You will always be more aware of this person. Counciling and assesment on our soil is needed.

It's not going to be popular but I'm being honest.

Indeed.

The teenage girls who were brainwashed/ groomed by certain gangs in the UK have been given help.

Perhaps they should have been abandoned instead. HELP sorry what help are you referring to because they have been told by a female mp to get over it and keep quiet for the sake of diversity and there are young girls still being abused and groomed now. "

Indeed they are still being abused. I don't know what the answer is for Begum. I haven't read enough on her case.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Yes

Would you care to share your reasons for saying yes Yas ?

I will because every deserves chances why be so judgemental

Your honour "

I have no more questions for the witness......

Thanks Yas ....

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision.

Not at all. I’m a realist not a paranoid person.

You’re someone who mistakes what we have in the UK for an open and tolerant society, so your claim to be a realist is a tenuous one at best.

Not at all. If it were a true police state I’d have been jailed years ago.

I’m sorry you feel so bad about it here. Try Russia. Bit cold but you might be happier?"

So the only two positions are ‘open and tolerant society’ or ‘police state’. You’ve not really thought about this much at all, have you?

And if you think Russia is a ‘police state’, you will no doubt be amazed to learn that the average UK citizen is subject to surveillance by the state far in excess of that of the average Russian. So one wonders what that makes us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Overall any form of child grooming is the same thing. We can't pick and choose which people deserve help based on the type of grooming they have had. The only concerning thing is when you are exposed to that level of violence, you can become desensitized and may lack compassion, empathy or ability to reconnect with others. This in any human being is a dangerous thing.. we might not understand what she did but we can understand that she was a child.

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By *onyjoCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that. "
well said I think she should be left in the shit pit she dug herself when she ran off to join isis the girl is a danger to the country

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that.

Would you care to share your reasons for saying no ?

Exactly that what reason i said. If she comes back she will have to go before court on terror charges. Why should I pay for that? Why should I have to pay to keep that scumbag fed and watered for 10 years. "

Do your taxes pay for other prisoners to be fed and watered ?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision.

Not at all. I’m a realist not a paranoid person.

You’re someone who mistakes what we have in the UK for an open and tolerant society, so your claim to be a realist is a tenuous one at best.

Not at all. If it were a true police state I’d have been jailed years ago.

I’m sorry you feel so bad about it here. Try Russia. Bit cold but you might be happier?

So the only two positions are ‘open and tolerant society’ or ‘police state’. You’ve not really thought about this much at all, have you?

And if you think Russia is a ‘police state’, you will no doubt be amazed to learn that the average UK citizen is subject to surveillance by the state far in excess of that of the average Russian. So one wonders what that makes us."

You have an opinion without many facts. I can counter your opinion without fear . Wonderful thing democracy.

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By *ommo60Man
over a year ago

STOCKPORT

lots of 15 yr olds are more intelligent than a lot of 50yr olds..she knew exactly what she was doing alright..and she wouldn't tell us anything we don't already know..if she did..she would be dead meat..and she knows that...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"No, at the age of 15 I had been working 2 years and was conscious of life decisions and how to be sensible and a couple of years later I had signed up for the I’m military service to represent our country….leaving your own country to join a terrorist organisation is not a “I didn’t know what I was doing” situation"

Did you join the armed forces to fight for your country ?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Are you having your internet restricted? Phone tapped? Sex life monitored?? No.

Revise your thinking.

You seem to be unaware that the UK government has access to all phones, and monitors all internet traffic. Perhaps your own ‘thinking’ is in need of revision.

Not at all. I’m a realist not a paranoid person.

You’re someone who mistakes what we have in the UK for an open and tolerant society, so your claim to be a realist is a tenuous one at best.

Not at all. If it were a true police state I’d have been jailed years ago.

I’m sorry you feel so bad about it here. Try Russia. Bit cold but you might be happier?

So the only two positions are ‘open and tolerant society’ or ‘police state’. You’ve not really thought about this much at all, have you?

And if you think Russia is a ‘police state’, you will no doubt be amazed to learn that the average UK citizen is subject to surveillance by the state far in excess of that of the average Russian. So one wonders what that makes us.

You have an opinion without many facts. I can counter your opinion without fear . Wonderful thing democracy."

You haven’t countered anything. Your time might be better spent attempting to acquire the information to allow you to do so though, as it’s possible you may learn something.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"We need an island to exile her kind to."

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I care more about how the victims of her atrocities feel. If she was convicted in the UK she would live a far better life than any of the relatives of the poor people that she thought deserved to be decapitated "

Which atrocities were these ? The ones you call 'her' atrocities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring her home, give her anonymity, give her money and give her a house that families already here are desperate for and forget about her. We all know that this will happen anyway, so why fight it? She won't be anywhere near me, so I don't really care. Job done.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?"

Potentially dangerous terrorist. An enemy of humanity.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that. well said I think she should be left in the shit pit she dug herself when she ran off to join isis the girl is a danger to the country"

Yes she is a danger no argument there, but who is she a citizen of if not the UK.

She is not a Syrian national.

Would you be happy is a load of French nationals came to the UK committed offenses and the were denationalised by France and told they could not come back and the UK had to keep them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are.

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By *r-OreoMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Sorry just seen your thread lol

I personally think she should be giving a trial. But not in the UK

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"She committed her crimes in Syria. Let her stand trial and be punished there

...and then they will do as we do and deport her back to us?

That seems fair. We can't have it both ways, deporting foreign nationals we don't like, but not accepting our own back in.

...and before anyone says anything different, she is British. She was born here, held a UK passport, that is what legally makes you British (no matter what illegal steps our politicians take to avoid dealing with our mess).

We would not even be having these discussions if she had gone on the rampage in London or somewhere. We would simply be locking her up and trying to understand what went wrong in our society that she ended up like that.

That's pretty much what we need to do now.

Apparently 13% of our prison population is foreign nationals. It seems we have the right to deport them but rarely do "

Its approx 5% give or take a %age or two ....... mostly Albanians but dont' let stats get in the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sure… get her back and make her sign up to Fab that’ll be punishment enough for her lol.

On a serious note, no fucking way. She still had an air of arrogance about her during the interviews she did.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"I care more about how the victims of her atrocities feel. If she was convicted in the UK she would live a far better life than any of the relatives of the poor people that she thought deserved to be decapitated

Which atrocities were these ? The ones you call 'her' atrocities "

Making a nice safe home and cooking dinner for her husband after he'd spent a hard day decapitating people. She enabled the atrocities and that's equally as bad. If you don't think so then I have no words

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are. "

This is a serious question to help me understand your points....

What is terrorism ?

Why was she labelled a terrorist /

What act of terrorism did she commmit ?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are.

This is a serious question to help me understand your points....

What is terrorism ?

Why was she labelled a terrorist /

What act of terrorism did she commmit ?"

She joined a terrorism fiefdom. Case closed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are.

This is a serious question to help me understand your points....

What is terrorism ?

Why was she labelled a terrorist /

What act of terrorism did she commmit ?"

I really love that you're challenging people's assertions here, Granny.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"She committed her crimes in Syria. Let her stand trial and be punished there

...and then they will do as we do and deport her back to us?

That seems fair. We can't have it both ways, deporting foreign nationals we don't like, but not accepting our own back in.

...and before anyone says anything different, she is British. She was born here, held a UK passport, that is what legally makes you British (no matter what illegal steps our politicians take to avoid dealing with our mess).

We would not even be having these discussions if she had gone on the rampage in London or somewhere. We would simply be locking her up and trying to understand what went wrong in our society that she ended up like that.

That's pretty much what we need to do now.

Apparently 13% of our prison population is foreign nationals. It seems we have the right to deport them but rarely do

Its approx 5% give or take a %age or two ....... mostly Albanians but dont' let stats get in the way"

From one website. Some say more, some less

"There are 18,400 foreign national offenders (FNOs) in the UK, including 9,000 in prisons (who made up 11% of a total prison population in 2019 of 82,200). Non-EU FNOs make up around 5,100 (or 57%) of the total FNO population in prisons; the other portion (3,900, or 43%) consists of EU nationals (2019)"

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By *dmundwilsonMan
over a year ago

Llandudno

She was groomed and trafficed by nasty people when she was a child. There is no doubt that her home country, the UK should look after her interests. If anyone disagrees i ask how youd feel if your sister daughter or cousin had been thus groomed whilst still of school age.

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By *ood time Chris BMan
over a year ago

TAUNTON AREA


"She is British, our responsibility... So she should come back here, be charged and tried for any crimes committed and given the opportunity to rehabilitate.

Well said x"

She is not a British citizen

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

I find it interesting that there are people who believe that a 15 year old is not mature enough to understand the consequences of having a vaccination for Covid, yet at the same time that a 15 year old knows exactly what the consequences of travelling to another country to practice your religious beliefs can be…

To my mind this young girl (woman now) was a victim of online grooming. She was made to believe that she would be living a better life as part of IS and acted upon it.

IS had at the time (unsure on the current state) a very sophisticated online propaganda and recruitment setup with people dedicated to luring young and impressionable people to their cause.

Add to this that there is still a sizeable racist minority in this country that will happily demonise ANYONE who is Muslim.

So add this all together and you can understand how this sort of radicalisation can happen to a hormonal teenager.

Yes, she did wrong, yes she deserves to be dealt with for doing wrong, but it should happen here.

If she can be de-radicalised then it has more benefits than risks to our society.

1. The intelligence she can provide about recruitment techniques can be an important tool to help others from falling into this sort of radical life.

2. It shows the wider Muslim community that we’re NOT all intolerant racists.

3. It shows society as a whole that we can work with people to help redeem them for past mistakes

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"She was groomed and trafficed by nasty people when she was a child. There is no doubt that her home country, the UK should look after her interests. If anyone disagrees i ask how youd feel if your sister daughter or cousin had been thus groomed whilst still of school age.

"

Yes, and the real danger here is about how our Government has been given the green light by a large number of the population, to strip nationality from anyone they are not keen on.

That is a worry for anyone with a parent not born here.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"I find it interesting that there are people who believe that a 15 year old is not mature enough to understand the consequences of having a vaccination for Covid, yet at the same time that a 15 year old knows exactly what the consequences of travelling to another country to practice your religious beliefs can be…

To my mind this young girl (woman now) was a victim of online grooming. She was made to believe that she would be living a better life as part of IS and acted upon it.

IS had at the time (unsure on the current state) a very sophisticated online propaganda and recruitment setup with people dedicated to luring young and impressionable people to their cause.

Add to this that there is still a sizeable racist minority in this country that will happily demonise ANYONE who is Muslim.

So add this all together and you can understand how this sort of radicalisation can happen to a hormonal teenager.

Yes, she did wrong, yes she deserves to be dealt with for doing wrong, but it should happen here.

If she can be de-radicalised then it has more benefits than risks to our society.

1. The intelligence she can provide about recruitment techniques can be an important tool to help others from falling into this sort of radical life.

2. It shows the wider Muslim community that we’re NOT all intolerant racists.

3. It shows society as a whole that we can work with people to help redeem them for past mistakes"

Rubbish. IS committed the most atrocious crimes including the Manchester bombing.

We had years of the IRA of which most of us feel the same. Racism doesn’t come into our intolerance of her and friends jumping through hurdles to have babies for those maniacs.

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over a year ago


"My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are.

This is a serious question to help me understand your points....

What is terrorism ?

Why was she labelled a terrorist /

What act of terrorism did she commmit ?

I really love that you're challenging people's assertions here, Granny. "

Just to clarify, I didn’t label her this, the government and the media did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?"

Ah yes, our famously tolerant and open society that is rampant with islamophobia. No reason at all why people might turn to radical islam if they're born in our wonderfully tolerant and open society

Take the blinkers off.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Ah yes, our famously tolerant and open society that is rampant with islamophobia. No reason at all why people might turn to radical islam if they're born in our wonderfully tolerant and open society

Take the blinkers off."

Oh yes we are so bad that it’s reasonable to join a death cult? Jesus.

How twisted minds have become.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you to everyone on these nasty dog whistle threads who stand up for the rights of all people, regardless of their age or background, ethnicity or crime, and who defend the right to a fair and balanced system of justice.

She was born here, she deserves a fair hearing, she should still be a British citizen.

The right to a fair trial and to face your accusers is the bedrock of democracy.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Remember the victims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Ah yes, our famously tolerant and open society that is rampant with islamophobia. No reason at all why people might turn to radical islam if they're born in our wonderfully tolerant and open society

Take the blinkers off.

Oh yes we are so bad that it’s reasonable to join a death cult? Jesus.

How twisted minds have become."

Never said it was reasonable to join a death cult. Your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sajid Javid says he's made the right decision as he knows things everyone else doesn't. Whilst I'm sure he has been more thoroughly briefed than the general public,I strongly disagree with the idea that he is therefore in position to make a unilateral decision that affects someone's life.

If she is all he says she is then that should be heard in court, in an open and fair hearing, that's how justice works. I'd even support a change in law that allows crimes committed outside British territory to be judged in Britain in this kind of case. What I think is wrong is that a politician (particularly one as inept as Sajid) should be allowed to summarily make up the rules as he goes along.

I have no idea whether she is guilty of anything other than a teenage impulse to join a terror group. It may well be that she is such a danger she needs to be locked up for life but that should be decided by due legal process.

To those asking why we should pay for that, my answer is simple, as a society we have agreed to certain rules to guide the way we live, those rules are for the benefit and protection of all. Once we erode that principle (especially based on opinions about a person where the only 'facts' we know are those reported by the news) we run the risk of harming all of our society. It's a cost I for one am prepared to pay.

Mr

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Ah yes, our famously tolerant and open society that is rampant with islamophobia. No reason at all why people might turn to radical islam if they're born in our wonderfully tolerant and open society

Take the blinkers off.

Oh yes we are so bad that it’s reasonable to join a death cult? Jesus.

How twisted minds have become.

Never said it was reasonable to join a death cult. Your reading comprehension is nonexistent."

Your comment was badly written.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sajid Javid says he's made the right decision as he knows things everyone else doesn't. Whilst I'm sure he has been more thoroughly briefed than the general public,I strongly disagree with the idea that he is therefore in position to make a unilateral decision that affects someone's life.

If she is all he says she is then that should be heard in court, in an open and fair hearing, that's how justice works. I'd even support a change in law that allows crimes committed outside British territory to be judged in Britain in this kind of case. What I think is wrong is that a politician (particularly one as inept as Sajid) should be allowed to summarily make up the rules as he goes along.

I have no idea whether she is guilty of anything other than a teenage impulse to join a terror group. It may well be that she is such a danger she needs to be locked up for life but that should be decided by due legal process.

To those asking why we should pay for that, my answer is simple, as a society we have agreed to certain rules to guide the way we live, those rules are for the benefit and protection of all. Once we erode that principle (especially based on opinions about a person where the only 'facts' we know are those reported by the news) we run the risk of harming all of our society. It's a cost I for one am prepared to pay.

Mr"

Very well said x

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"Yes. She was 15 and had no idea what she was getting herself into. At the end of the day she's a victim of radicalisation. If our society has failed someone to the point where they can be radicalised then I think we need to take a look at our society and why the conditions exist for that to happen, not blame and exile one of our citizens for what they did as a child.

If my child became a dedicated follower of Hitler would we blame society? No.

The same with her. Unfortunately she was probably halfway there with a devout religious upbringing that few of us care for.

What she joined was a lethal cult. A cult that made the Manson Family look like the Banana Splits.

These followers would cut off our heads as we shopped. Dealing with her needs extreme caution.

If the conditions of any form of radicalisation exist in society then yes, it is a failing of society.

A tolerant and open society unfortunately will allow fringe beliefs to develop. That’s the failing.

That may happen in a tolerant and open society. But what about here in the UK?

Ah yes, our famously tolerant and open society that is rampant with islamophobia. No reason at all why people might turn to radical islam if they're born in our wonderfully tolerant and open society

Take the blinkers off.

Oh yes we are so bad that it’s reasonable to join a death cult? Jesus.

How twisted minds have become.

Never said it was reasonable to join a death cult. Your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

Your comment was badly written.

No, you're just thick. "

And you stick up for some notion of fairness

My god.

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By *inkyeroticaCouple
over a year ago

Ampthill


"The UK gov have stated that they have intelligence led evidence that she was directly involved in atrocities "

The UK gov also had a “sexed up” dossier that took the country to war in Iraq. Is this evidence something they would allow to be tested in court?

The high court ruled that she cannot come back to fight being stripped of her citizenship, not that she can’t fight the decision.

Point remains, she was a brainwashed underage child. As she has no other country to go to, she should be allowed back to stand trial in court for any crimes there is evidence she committed, and face the consequences of her actions.

We should also be investigating how she was allowed to be brainwashed, and who those who brainwashed her are and charge them.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

I think she should prove that she wants to help us first by giving us whatever information she can and then if allowed back to be closely monitored as a precaution.

Saying this she knew what IS were doing already and decided to turn her back on the UK and join them.

I don't think she can blame anyone but herself for making that decision but if she hasn't actively taken part in any way in killing people then she hasn't committed any crime but it's a case of did she or didn't she

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"I find it interesting that there are people who believe that a 15 year old is not mature enough to understand the consequences of having a vaccination for Covid, yet at the same time that a 15 year old knows exactly what the consequences of travelling to another country to practice your religious beliefs can be…

To my mind this young girl (woman now) was a victim of online grooming. She was made to believe that she would be living a better life as part of IS and acted upon it.

IS had at the time (unsure on the current state) a very sophisticated online propaganda and recruitment setup with people dedicated to luring young and impressionable people to their cause.

Add to this that there is still a sizeable racist minority in this country that will happily demonise ANYONE who is Muslim.

So add this all together and you can understand how this sort of radicalisation can happen to a hormonal teenager.

Yes, she did wrong, yes she deserves to be dealt with for doing wrong, but it should happen here.

If she can be de-radicalised then it has more benefits than risks to our society.

1. The intelligence she can provide about recruitment techniques can be an important tool to help others from falling into this sort of radical life.

2. It shows the wider Muslim community that we’re NOT all intolerant racists.

3. It shows society as a whole that we can work with people to help redeem them for past mistakes

Rubbish. IS committed the most atrocious crimes including the Manchester bombing.

We had years of the IRA of which most of us feel the same. Racism doesn’t come into our intolerance of her and friends jumping through hurdles to have babies for those maniacs."

Racism absolutely does have a part in young Muslims being radicalised… if they feel that society is against them and their religion then it can lead to them seeking ways to fight back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Allowing her in essentially says there are no consequences from running off to join a death cult.

Yes, she was young but at 15 most kids understand death cults that r4pe and behead people are not things you should want to join.

Their propaganda was all over main stream media so she would have known well beforehand that they beheaded journalists, aid workers, and innocent people.

Let the selfish piece of filth rot over there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Allowing her in essentially says there are no consequences from running off to join a death cult.

Yes, she was young but at 15 most kids understand death cults that r4pe and behead people are not things you should want to join.

Their propaganda was all over main stream media so she would have known well beforehand that they beheaded journalists, aid workers, and innocent people.

Let the selfish piece of filth rot over there."

By the same logic underage kids that go off with sex offenders and get r4ped should know better and it’s their own fault?

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex


"I know what I was like at 15...

Very, very different from the man I am today.

There's going to be very heated debates on this but frankly my view is she was a child. Brainwashed. And I believe people can change. You will always be more aware of this person. Counciling and assesment on our soil is needed.

It's not going to be popular but I'm being honest."

I like to suspect it’s more popular opinion than many would openly admit to holding at the moment.

I (mr) would happily take her back and process her through the courts. She was a child. What she did was very very wrong but we have been protecting the identities of the Bulger killers who in my mind carried out a far worse crime (that we KNOW of)

She was a child. She has a right to a country and for as much as we like it or not, she is still our responsibility.

Has she “out grown” ISIS? Probably. Would she be of help to our intelligence services? Probably not. Do people change & reform? That is a belief our justice system is designed around and it can’t then our system is more worryingly broken than any single case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance. If the government are saying that 15 year olds can decide if they can get a jab without their parents permission, I think they’re able to book a flight, travel to a war zone, and join a terrorist organisation and be treated as an adult.

Leave her out there to be tried with the rest of them as the country sees fit where she is kept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" By the same logic underage kids that go off with sex offenders and get r4ped should know better and it’s their own fault? "

You know the difference full well.

Sex offenders don't blatantly make it clear through international propaganda. Anybody who has internet access would have been aware of exactly what ISIS do.

Stop trying to justify such evil as a 'mistake'. Understand there are some things that you simply cannot and should not ever tolerate.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"I find it interesting that there are people who believe that a 15 year old is not mature enough to understand the consequences of having a vaccination for Covid, yet at the same time that a 15 year old knows exactly what the consequences of travelling to another country to practice your religious beliefs can be…

To my mind this young girl (woman now) was a victim of online grooming. She was made to believe that she would be living a better life as part of IS and acted upon it.

IS had at the time (unsure on the current state) a very sophisticated online propaganda and recruitment setup with people dedicated to luring young and impressionable people to their cause.

Add to this that there is still a sizeable racist minority in this country that will happily demonise ANYONE who is Muslim.

So add this all together and you can understand how this sort of radicalisation can happen to a hormonal teenager.

Yes, she did wrong, yes she deserves to be dealt with for doing wrong, but it should happen here.

If she can be de-radicalised then it has more benefits than risks to our society.

1. The intelligence she can provide about recruitment techniques can be an important tool to help others from falling into this sort of radical life.

2. It shows the wider Muslim community that we’re NOT all intolerant racists.

3. It shows society as a whole that we can work with people to help redeem them for past mistakes

Rubbish. IS committed the most atrocious crimes including the Manchester bombing.

We had years of the IRA of which most of us feel the same. Racism doesn’t come into our intolerance of her and friends jumping through hurdles to have babies for those maniacs.

"

Have any IRA (or unionist terrorists for that matter) been stripped of their citizenship?

I have not seen any evidence presented to show that she has done even a fraction of what some of those people did.

Why, therefore, are we treating her differently?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Racism is not the issue. Most of the rank and file IS come from Muslim countries. They were good at their propaganda and never shied from showing how they dealt with those they deemed unworthy of life.

I would imagine many in this country live very Islamic lives. But even doctors have supported IS and al-Queada. It’s a jihad and a simple belief they can create a kingdom based solely on the word of Allah. They hate us ‘the Romans’ and have done so since the 6th century when Islam spread after chaos created by perpetual war between Byzantium (eastern Rome) and Persia.

So after a thousand years we’re still in conflict with no easy solutions.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are.

This is a serious question to help me understand your points....

What is terrorism ?

Why was she labelled a terrorist /

What act of terrorism did she commmit ?

She joined a terrorism fiefdom. Case closed."

Thanks for not answering any question I asked.

Case open

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"My question is always this. She was classified as a terrorist. We are fighting a “war on terror”. She’s offered to hand herself in. We say no. Why don’t we want to capture a “known” terrorist? Smoke and mirrors. The Tories made the decision to strip her citizenship just to keep ageing daily Mail readers from frothing at the gash because that’s their voting demographic. In my opinion if they brought her home they wouldn’t be able to charge her with anything and she’d walk free back into society, making the government look like even bigger clowns than they already are.

This is a serious question to help me understand your points....

What is terrorism ?

Why was she labelled a terrorist /

What act of terrorism did she commmit ?

She joined a terrorism fiefdom. Case closed.

Thanks for not answering any question I asked.

Case open"

You’re welcome.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Yes I think she should x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?

Potentially dangerous terrorist. An enemy of humanity. "

So we are exiling people for potentiality now ??

That's all of us then.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Nope, she made her choice, she should stick to it.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

Can those saying she is not British explain how she is another nationality other than British.

I'm not arguing that she is a bad un

I'm not arguing that she should be tried in Syria for crimes in Syria.

I just don't get how she is anything other than British.

She ain't Syrian as she never applied for citizenship to Syria and she ain't a Bangladesh resident having never lived there.

Why should Syria or Bangladesh have her when the country she was born in won't.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country."

Thanks for clarifying the age of criminal responsibility , what crime did she commit please ?

As in something that is against U.K. law ?

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

The crime element is secondary.

The primary issue is what nationality is she.

After that you can deal with any crimes.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?

Potentially dangerous terrorist. An enemy of humanity.

So we are exiling people for potentiality now ??

That's all of us then."

If you fed and watered a fighter against western democracy then yes.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?

Potentially dangerous terrorist. An enemy of humanity.

So we are exiling people for potentiality now ??

That's all of us then.

If you fed and watered a fighter against western democracy then yes."

So when they denationalise you, where will you live.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

In the end I don't care about this individual.

If the law and society decided that she should be shot for her crimes of feeding and watering a terrorist, I can live with that as it a reasoned position backed by the law and democracy.

What I can't accept is that she has no national government to take responsibility for making that call.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?

Potentially dangerous terrorist. An enemy of humanity.

So we are exiling people for potentiality now ??

That's all of us then.

If you fed and watered a fighter against western democracy then yes."

So if you question this society you should be exiled ?

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

What is her kind ? What did she do that makes you want to exile her ?

Potentially dangerous terrorist. An enemy of humanity.

So we are exiling people for potentiality now ??

That's all of us then.

If you fed and watered a fighter against western democracy then yes.

So if you question this society you should be exiled ?"

She did more than question,

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"We need an island to exile her kind to."

WoW!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see that she is now dressing up style so as not to show her Islamic state dress and make her plea more appealing

Without too much rant

I really hope that she is not allowed a return to the UK

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"The crime element is secondary.

The primary issue is what nationality is she.

After that you can deal with any crimes. "
she isnt any nationality now before that she was a national of the i.s enclave she was in,remember they claimed the part of syria they were in as there own,fuck her and any other brit still out there,does she really think people are gona give her the benefit of the doubt just because shes not dressed in a black sheet anymore? Remember this is someone less than a cpl of years ago said those in the manchester bombing deserved it,only reason she wants back here now is because her gang are no longer in control if they were she would still be cheering them on

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there. "

Whether or not you "buy" the argument the supreme court has ruled and that is why she is still in Syria. She is a citizen of Islamic State in Syria (ISIS).

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that. "

Because she is a British citizen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can’t imagine ISIS to be that understanding of her plight. If she pledged allegiance to them but is now able to publicly state that she made a mistake and wants to come back to Britain surely they would take her head off for going against them. Unless of course they have plans for her and want her to return to Britain to carry something out.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"I find it interesting that there are people who believe that a 15 year old is not mature enough to understand the consequences of having a vaccination for Covid, yet at the same time that a 15 year old knows exactly what the consequences of travelling to another country to practice your religious beliefs can be…

To my mind this young girl (woman now) was a victim of online grooming. She was made to believe that she would be living a better life as part of IS and acted upon it.

IS had at the time (unsure on the current state) a very sophisticated online propaganda and recruitment setup with people dedicated to luring young and impressionable people to their cause.

Add to this that there is still a sizeable racist minority in this country that will happily demonise ANYONE who is Muslim.

So add this all together and you can understand how this sort of radicalisation can happen to a hormonal teenager.

Yes, she did wrong, yes she deserves to be dealt with for doing wrong, but it should happen here.

If she can be de-radicalised then it has more benefits than risks to our society.

1. The intelligence she can provide about recruitment techniques can be an important tool to help others from falling into this sort of radical life.

2. It shows the wider Muslim community that we’re NOT all intolerant racists.

3. It shows society as a whole that we can work with people to help redeem them for past mistakes

Rubbish. IS committed the most atrocious crimes including the Manchester bombing.

We had years of the IRA of which most of us feel the same. Racism doesn’t come into our intolerance of her and friends jumping through hurdles to have babies for those maniacs.

Have any IRA (or unionist terrorists for that matter) been stripped of their citizenship?

I have not seen any evidence presented to show that she has done even a fraction of what some of those people did.

Why, therefore, are we treating her differently?"

I doubt if any of the “no” brigade will be able to being themselves to give an honest answer to that one.

She should be allowed back and the criminal justice system should be allowed to operate effectively.

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By *ohnj21Man
over a year ago

Leeds

What do you say to UK soldiers, mum who died fighting terrisom.

Treason is still a criminal offence

15 years old so therefore according to our goverment 12 years old, can override parents on vaccine

Therefore she needs to take consequences of her actions happy for goverment to use tax pays money for 1 way ticket to middle east

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire


"No.

And wanting to be tried in uk court?

Why should we as tax payers pay for that.

Because she is a British citizen? "

Not any more

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"I can’t imagine ISIS to be that understanding of her plight. If she pledged allegiance to them but is now able to publicly state that she made a mistake and wants to come back to Britain surely they would take her head off for going against them. Unless of course they have plans for her and want her to return to Britain to carry something out. "

So you think she is still in communication with isis and is an active isis operative? Gosh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she's better off where she is ...

if this thread is anything to go by, she'll be lynched as soon as she lands in the Uk....

I don't think these are isolated comments against her - i reckon the majority of this Country feel the same way!

Unfortunately ...

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"What do you say to UK soldiers, mum who died fighting terrisom.

Treason is still a criminal offence

15 years old so therefore according to our goverment 12 years old, can override parents on vaccine

Therefore she needs to take consequences of her actions happy for goverment to use tax pays money for 1 way ticket to middle east"

I’m not really sure what you’re saying there.

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By *exyfuncouple-40Couple
over a year ago

Bloxham

She could always go to Bangladesh as she hold duel citizenship ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can’t imagine ISIS to be that understanding of her plight. If she pledged allegiance to them but is now able to publicly state that she made a mistake and wants to come back to Britain surely they would take her head off for going against them. Unless of course they have plans for her and want her to return to Britain to carry something out.

So you think she is still in communication with isis and is an active isis operative? Gosh! "

I just don’t understand how she’s allowed to still be in Syria wearing normal clothes, giving interview upon interview where she’s essentially slagging ISIS off and they’re just cool with it.

I don’t care that much about the situation to give it deep thought.

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By *ohnj21Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Strange isis happy to let a woman slag them off in their country.

Anyone got idea why they are happy with this

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"She could always go to Bangladesh as she hold duel citizenship , "

But why should they take her when she has never lived there.

She can't be Syrian as isis was not a recognised national government and so could not issue Syrian nationality to her.

The courts have not ruled that she is not a uk citizen.

They have only said she had to fight that ruling from her current location.

I reckon if she does challenge the actual decision to remove her nationalality she will win.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"WOW, yesterday everyone defended Gove for racist remarks caught on tape but said "ah he was only 26 when he said those things, I said stupid things when I was that young too"

Today, it's argued that a young woman can be held responsible for things done as a teenager when she was clearly groomed by much more astute people.

If we can't help a young woman when she made a mistake as a teenager, or hold a grown man resposnsible for saying racist things, at what point do people become responsible for what they say and do? And is that point different for a white man than it is for a brown girl?"

Although I’m afraid that your final sentence is very close to the truth, you can’t really claim moral equivalence between racist comments and supporting terrorist activity. Bit different.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"She could always go to Bangladesh as she hold duel citizenship ,

But why should they take her when she has never lived there.

She can't be Syrian as isis was not a recognised national government and so could not issue Syrian nationality to her.

The courts have not ruled that she is not a uk citizen.

They have only said she had to fight that ruling from her current location.

I reckon if she does challenge the actual decision to remove her nationalality she will win.

"

Disowning her as a national os a cop-out.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"Strange isis happy to let a woman slag them off in their country.

Anyone got idea why they are happy with this

"

Isis don't have a country. I think people are missing this point.

Isis is not a country or a national government, so they can't offer her citizenship to a country they don't own.

It would be like the French foreign legion offering UK nationality if they took over Cornwall for 12 months.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Strange isis happy to let a woman slag them off in their country.

Anyone got idea why they are happy with this

"

I doubt if they are “happy” with this. I also doubt if they care, they have bigger problems than her

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there.

Whether or not you "buy" the argument the supreme court has ruled and that is why she is still in Syria. She is a citizen of Islamic State in Syria (ISIS). "

She is British. I know some people don’t like that fact, and prefer the idea of not having to see her in Britain, but she is ... born and raised in Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone as right wing as Jacob Reese-Mogg says that she was a child groomed and should be allowed back. Then I think there is a lot to say about people frothing at the mouth to keep her out.

In a country where we let serial child murderers out of prison, she seems a token target to keep a certain demographic happy.

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there.

Whether or not you "buy" the argument the supreme court has ruled and that is why she is still in Syria. She is a citizen of Islamic State in Syria (ISIS).

She is British. I know some people don’t like that fact, and prefer the idea of not having to see her in Britain, but she is ... born and raised in Britain. "

It’s nothing to do with what people like or don’t like

Unless and until The Supreme Court overturns the Home Secretary’s decision she is NOT British.

Whatever your opinion is..

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"If someone as right wing as Jacob Reese-Mogg says that she was a child groomed and should be allowed back. Then I think there is a lot to say about people frothing at the mouth to keep her out.

In a country where we let serial child murderers out of prison, she seems a token target to keep a certain demographic happy."

Rees mogg is an over privaledged numpty who has little insight into the hardship of anyone below millionaires.

However, on fundamental rights he is more reasoned.

He is a capitalist rather than a fashist.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there.

Whether or not you "buy" the argument the supreme court has ruled and that is why she is still in Syria. She is a citizen of Islamic State in Syria (ISIS).

She is British. I know some people don’t like that fact, and prefer the idea of not having to see her in Britain, but she is ... born and raised in Britain.

It’s nothing to do with what people like or don’t like

Unless and until The Supreme Court overturns the Home Secretary’s decision she is NOT British.

Whatever your opinion is.."

This is true.

And I do wonder why that challenge has not progressed.

I reckon she is slightly narcissistic and therefore would rather get the media profile than actually progress her legal case.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"If someone as right wing as Jacob Reese-Mogg says that she was a child groomed and should be allowed back. Then I think there is a lot to say about people frothing at the mouth to keep her out.

In a country where we let serial child murderers out of prison, she seems a token target to keep a certain demographic happy."

This.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

I've only skimmed over the thread, so apologies if this has been said.

1. Agree was groomed at the tender age of 15. However, the Home Office have credible evidence of her active fight with ISIS and link to the Manchester attack and other atrocities. Had she been "just a baby machine" for them, her citizenship would not have been revoked. Nor could it have been revoked if it meant leaving her without status. She has/or has the capacity to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship.

2. Remember, the killers of James Boulger were 10, yet were still deemed legally responsible for their actions. Even though their Defence was brainwashing by "video nasties". So at 15, I would say the same follows for Shabina.

3. She is no longer a British Citizen so has no recourse through the courts. Her parents tried that route on her behalf & the legality was upheld. Therefore, no British court for her.

4. I would assume her reasoning for appearing in Western garb for the various videos she doing is to garner sympathy (in my opinion) or it could be that she genuinely has regretted her acts. Either way, it's nothing to do with ISIS "allowing" her to dress like that. She's in a refugee camp where ISIS have no control.

I'm afraid I agree that sadly, she's made her bed and, as the legal route has been exhausted on her behalf, she's gonna have to live with it.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"If someone as right wing as Jacob Reese-Mogg says that she was a child groomed and should be allowed back. Then I think there is a lot to say about people frothing at the mouth to keep her out.

In a country where we let serial child murderers out of prison, she seems a token target to keep a certain demographic happy."

Well put.

Seems some posters are aligning themselves somewhere to the right of piers Morgan. Gesture politics, the sort of stuff that usually starts with the words “wot they should do is ...”.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"I've only skimmed over the thread, so apologies if this has been said.

1. Agree was groomed at the tender age of 15. However, the Home Office have credible evidence of her active fight with ISIS and link to the Manchester attack and other atrocities. Had she been "just a baby machine" for them, her citizenship would not have been revoked. Nor could it have been revoked if it meant leaving her without status. She has/or has the capacity to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship.

2. Remember, the killers of James Boulger were 10, yet were still deemed legally responsible for their actions. Even though their Defence was brainwashing by "video nasties". So at 15, I would say the same follows for Shabina.

3. She is no longer a British Citizen so has no recourse through the courts. Her parents tried that route on her behalf & the legality was upheld. Therefore, no British court for her.

4. I would assume her reasoning for appearing in Western garb for the various videos she doing is to garner sympathy (in my opinion) or it could be that she genuinely has regretted her acts. Either way, it's nothing to do with ISIS "allowing" her to dress like that. She's in a refugee camp where ISIS have no control.

I'm afraid I agree that sadly, she's made her bed and, as the legal route has been exhausted on her behalf, she's gonna have to live with it. "

Just to clarify the court only ruled she could not come back to fight her case.

The lack of any progress on her appeal is down to her and her lawyers.

She can still fight the decision to strip her of citizenship, just not from the UK.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

Australia "

Can I be exiled to Australia too

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"We need an island to exile her kind to.

Australia

Can I be exiled to Australia too "
Sorry meant

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there.

Whether or not you "buy" the argument the supreme court has ruled and that is why she is still in Syria. She is a citizen of Islamic State in Syria (ISIS).

She is British. I know some people don’t like that fact, and prefer the idea of not having to see her in Britain, but she is ... born and raised in Britain.

It’s nothing to do with what people like or don’t like

Unless and until The Supreme Court overturns the Home Secretary’s decision she is NOT British.

Whatever your opinion is.."

She is British though. Born and raised in Britain, educated in Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No freaking way should she e allowed back in to the UK

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"No freaking way should she e allowed back in to the UK "

Because?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"No freaking way should she e allowed back in to the UK "

Why not have her face the legal system here?

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.


"

She is British. I know some people don’t like that fact, and prefer the idea of not having to see her in Britain, but she is ... born and raised in Britain. "

I'm afraid you are not correct here. The British Nationality Act 1981 states that anyone born in the UK after 1/01/1983 is not a British Citizen in their own right. The claim must come from your parents.

As she was born in 1999 Her claim would have come from either of her parents.

As they were both born outside the UK she could only become a BC if her parents had Naturalised before her birth (they hadnt) or had been granted Leave to Remain before her birth. Her father was granted this, therefore, she will have Bangladeshi status (whether she has applied or not)

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire


"The age of Criminal Responsibility in the UK is 10 so at 15 she was well above the age of criminal responsibility.

If she had been associated in this country at that age with a person or persons who engaged in theft, abduction, sl*very, r*pe, torture and murder she would have been tried, convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. The fact that it occured overseas does not relieve her of her guilt by association.

I can understand her wanting to return because even a UK prison is preferable to the Syrian camps. However, the nature of the IS caliphate and the time that has lapsed would mean it would be very hard to gather evidence to convict her under UK Law. As a consequence she probably believes that she will get away with it.

Whatever she says, she actively engaged in the evil actions of IS so I believe she made a concious decision, at a legally mature age, to do so and must now face the consequences of her actions; exclusion from this country.

Exclusion from this country does not just impact her, who is she a citizen of?

She is not Syrian.

She has not lived anywhere else.

I don't buy the she was only 15 argument, but neither do I buy that we can force another country to take her in if she has never lived there.

Whether or not you "buy" the argument the supreme court has ruled and that is why she is still in Syria. She is a citizen of Islamic State in Syria (ISIS).

She is British. I know some people don’t like that fact, and prefer the idea of not having to see her in Britain, but she is ... born and raised in Britain.

It’s nothing to do with what people like or don’t like

Unless and until The Supreme Court overturns the Home Secretary’s decision she is NOT British.

Whatever your opinion is..

She is British though. Born and raised in Britain, educated in Britain. "

You need to acquaint yourself with some immigration law. The mere fact someone is born in Britain does not necessarily make them British.. That is a fact…

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

she doesn’t haven’t Bangladeshi citizenship. Only a right to claim it because her mother was born there. This was the technicality by which Great Britain devolved its responsibility.

When a white middle class girl, aged 15, jumps on a plane and flies to the swamps of Florida to live out a dream of a redneck abusive relationship, we gasp in horror and vilify the man. When a Muslim girl gets on a plane and flies to the Middle East and lives out some incels dream of marital servitude we blame her…. Oh the hypocrisy

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