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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Been watching a few documentaries and have decided that I would like to at least try to change my diet in the direction of veganism. I’m about to make my first vegan food delivery order. Does anyone have any tips on tasty food ideas or how they first found the initial transition?

TIA

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

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A friend of mine is a vegan and recommends to anyone thinking of becoming vegan to do it in a phased approach. Vegan 3 times a week and he reckons you will start to feel the benefits and want 4 or 5 times a week and finally all in. I have no idea if that works but thought I would pass it on. Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazing!

My top tip is make sure you are eating enough in the early days (eat more than you usually would) and be prepared for a change in bodily functions that WILL pass

Check out 'the daily dozen' and try to incorporate it into your daily routine. Figure out your B12 +vitD ASAP

Be kind to yourself if you slip up, we're all human and make mistakes.

You'll be amazed how easy it is once you are in your groove

I can send you some easy /tasty recipes to get you going? DM me if you want

Join VeganUK fb group for recipes / inspiration

Also you are in good company - the next bake off has a vegan contestant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nutritional yeast flakes are great for a cheesy hit to pasta dishes, also a good source of Vit B.

Go Tofu mad, follow vegan people on Youtube and prepare to lose a lot of weight xx

DM if you want recipes x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks guys! Really appreciate the tips

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nutritional yeast flakes are great for a cheesy hit to pasta dishes, also a good source of Vit B.

Go Tofu mad, follow vegan people on Youtube and prepare to lose a lot of weight xx

DM if you want recipes x"

Love a bit of nooch! Marmite is good for B12 too.. Gives nice depth of flavour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I second that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with the majority, a phased approach is good but it's much easier to navigate these days.

B12 is very important and unless you're eating foods that are fortified with it you'll need to supplement, which I would do in any case just to be sure.

This goes for meat eaters too, B12 is absorbed by animals when they graze as it exists in the soil etc though decades of modern farming methods has drastically reduced it's presence so much so that cattle feed is fortified (I'm liking this word today) with it.

Other than that, it's as you should be doing now, around 2/3rds of your diet from cards, about a 1/4 from protein and the rest fats, work back from that and you won't go far wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Following....

Can't see there being a cat in hell's chance on me going full on vegan but I'll definitely incorporate meat-free days into my diet. (Yes I know that's vegetarian but it's a start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following....

Can't see there being a cat in hell's chance on me going full on vegan but I'll definitely incorporate meat-free days into my diet. (Yes I know that's vegetarian but it's a start

I think that's the right approach, it's a fine line between advocating for a vegan diet and crossing the line into preaching, I try to be the former but I understand that it may be viewed as preaching.

All I will say here is, there are some great recipes out there, Google Bosh for their jackfruit tachos (it's all in the spicing) and we tried the burger version of this https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/plant-based-vegan-battered-mushrooms-b1908357.html at the weekend and had the left overs with garlic roasted potatoes, delicious or you can always try a vegan big mac

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following....

Can't see there being a cat in hell's chance on me going full on vegan but I'll definitely incorporate meat-free days into my diet. (Yes I know that's vegetarian but it's a start

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Cheers. A few of the family have gone Vegan (well a couple are probably following an 80% Vegan diet). I've been given a couple of decent recipes which I'll be trying and then I'll be cutting back on red meat for environmental purposes.

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

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By *areToShareCouple
over a year ago

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"Been watching a few documentaries and have decided that I would like to at least try to change my diet in the direction of veganism. I’m about to make my first vegan food delivery order. Does anyone have any tips on tasty food ideas or how they first found the initial transition?

TIA"

Firstly, go and make yourself a crispy bacon sarnie.

Secondly, Eat it and enjoy it.

Thirdly, take yourself off to a quiet place and have a stern word with yourself for even contemplating such a ridiculous notion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following....

Can't see there being a cat in hell's chance on me going full on vegan but I'll definitely incorporate meat-free days into my diet. (Yes I know that's vegetarian but it's a start

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Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

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By *..FirstMan
over a year ago

london

TIA"

I think that spacing your meat intake and ensuring the ratio of meat to vegetables is suitable (1:4 as apposed to the American/SouthAfrican 4:1)

But accept that the tasty days are when you include meat... vegans will try and sell you the idea that vegan meals are tasty but without serious seasoning it will be a bit like kissing your sister, pleasant but not exciting.

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By *TK421-Man
over a year ago

Cheltenham

When I went vegan I made the mistake of replacing all my meat and dairy with processed crap. It's very easy to maintain the mindset that you 'need' a meat substitute.

My advice would be to enjoy the more Oriental side of cooking. Stir frys are amazing. Sunday roasts can be a huge pile of veg drowning in gravey.

I found oatmilk worked for me for cereal and teas. I like Weetabix and branflakes so it has that sort of taste.

Smoothies.... Home made... A liquid lunch that's healthy and cheap. What's not to love.

Remember frozen vegan processed food should be treated as a treat..... Not an every day thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

Ironically the meat Richmond sausages are terrible so the Vegan ones don't have much to live up to to compare.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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I have been Vegan for approx 5 years a little more.

Here is what I believe is the best advice I can give you.

1. All food is vegan - unless it is a dead animal or something that came from their body ( it might seem obvious but you will one day ...... f'knell Granny I get it now )

2. There is no great mystery to being a non meat eater. You just eat everything else but not the flesh of an animal or something made with animal bits.

3. Read the labels on EVERYTHING. Milk, Cream, Butter , Animal Fats , Gelatin is sneaked into nearly all foods.

4. Don't go down the 'Plant based' shit for ready meals. They are NOT healthy ( I have one every blue moon )

5. Fuck vegan cheese or vegan butter. It is OIL and potato starch and contains NO PROTEIN as such. It is not a cheese substitute. It is a slab of palm oil and starch ..... full of calories and little goodness.

6. Beware the Quorn. It has egg in it. Unless you find one of the rare places that stock vegan quorn.

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I should have done this one first.

Look up which veggies contain the most proteins - I do. ( peas, beans , chickpeas etc )

Look up which greens contain the most vitamin c and b12 etc.

Eat as much as you can raw - it preserves vitamins and nutrients.

Eat your usual fave food. Curry = loads of veg in a curry sauce with grain of your choice rice etc ...... I use quinoa as it has more protein and less carb than rice.

Don't go down the tofu route cos you imagine it's what vegans do. I won't touch it with a ten foot barge pole.

And I agree with midnight. The best sausages are the Richmond ones..... the vegan ones.

Full English for me is .... Richmond sausages, Fried toms, Mushrooms, Hash brown , beans ...... ( just no egg )

Bacon substitutes are shite.

Make your own food.... Check that over the week you got enough protein and don't listen to the crackpots who think that think you have to exist on rice cakes and hummus ......

Roast Dinner ? Exactly the same as usual just don't use animal fats for the spuds.

You don't HAVE to eat stuff that is weird to you.

Gravy Granules are vegan anyway..... the Bisto ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following....

Can't see there being a cat in hell's chance on me going full on vegan but I'll definitely incorporate meat-free days into my diet. (Yes I know that's vegetarian but it's a start

)

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

If you don't mind a chorizo style sausage then M&S do a nice version, as for standard yes I hear you, that said, we did try some of those Richmond meat free sausages as we had some meat eating relatives over and the comment was, they couldn't tell the difference between those and the same brand's pork sausages. That probably says more about Richmond sausages to be fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best advice I could give you is refer to it as 'plant based' rather than vegan, don't be too strict with yourself or dwell on the moments a bacon sarnie got the better of you and don't force it upon others, in fact don't go on about it too much at all, the worst thing about 'vegans' is the self congratulatory superiority complex coupled with food shaming/attacking others. Fuck that shit! Makes me eat twice the meat in protest!

How do you know when someone is vegan? Don't worry they'll be sure to tell you! (don't be that guy!)

It can be a very colourful and rewarding food adventure if you're clever, enjoy x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following....

Can't see there being a cat in hell's chance on me going full on vegan but I'll definitely incorporate meat-free days into my diet. (Yes I know that's vegetarian but it's a start

Yeah that's brilliant.. Every little helps the environment and your health.. And the animals of course

If you want amy suggestions reach out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

Ironically the meat Richmond sausages are terrible so the Vegan ones don't have much to live up to to compare.

Oh i can't comment on meat ones, sorry.. But having tried all the veggie +vegan ones, i can confirm richmond are the best vegan ones!

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By *TK421-Man
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Oh i can't comment on meat ones, sorry.. But having tried all the veggie +vegan ones, i can confirm richmond are the best vegan ones!

Here here.... And often are right beside the meat ones in the fridge section.... Nom nom...

Freezable too.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well I just enjoyed a beautiful meat free salad and it tasted amazing! Thanks for the input guys

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I frequently eat vegan without actually identifying it as such and even more often eat vegetarian. My vegan friends tell me that lack of vitamin B can be a problem

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I frequently eat vegan without actually identifying it as such and even more often eat vegetarian. My vegan friends tell me that lack of vitamin B can be a problem"

This gets to me ........

Like all non vegans are bursting to the brim with vitality as a result of a highly nutritious intake

B12 is easy. I get most of mine via tasty yeast flakes

Meat eaters get it cos it's artifically put into meat and grass and feed.

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over a year ago

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

Ironically the meat Richmond sausages are terrible so the Vegan ones don't have much to live up to to compare.

Oh i can't comment on meat ones, sorry.. But having tried all the veggie +vegan ones, i can confirm richmond are the best vegan ones!

Not bought Richmond ones in years. I'll get a pack of both tonight just to do a taste test.

I like pretty much all veg anyway so that won't be an issue it's the protein/meat substitutes I need to get my head around.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

all b12 is originally from bacteria which is being killed off by pesticides etc.....

EVERYONE needs to check their b12 levels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TIA"

Yeah, Quornish Pasties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

Ironically the meat Richmond sausages are terrible so the Vegan ones don't have much to live up to to compare.

Oh i can't comment on meat ones, sorry.. But having tried all the veggie +vegan ones, i can confirm richmond are the best vegan ones!

Not bought Richmond ones in years. I'll get a pack of both tonight just to do a taste test.

I like pretty much all veg anyway so that won't be an issue it's the protein/meat substitutes I need to get my head around."

Vegan protein:

*beans (lentils, chickpeas, beans)

*soy (tempeh, tofu, edammame, soy milk)

*nuts +seeds

*grains (oats, whole-wheat, quinoa)

*peas /spinach /broccoli /potatoes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

TIA

Yeah, Quornish Pasties. "

Got one on order! Thanks mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TIA

Yeah, Quornish Pasties.

Got one on order! Thanks mate "

They are not great (mushy and meh) ... But good to try i guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TIA

Yeah, Quornish Pasties.

Got one on order! Thanks mate "

Huh, I thought it was just an incredible clever pun.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

Ironically the meat Richmond sausages are terrible so the Vegan ones don't have much to live up to to compare.

Oh i can't comment on meat ones, sorry.. But having tried all the veggie +vegan ones, i can confirm richmond are the best vegan ones!

Not bought Richmond ones in years. I'll get a pack of both tonight just to do a taste test.

I like pretty much all veg anyway so that won't be an issue it's the protein/meat substitutes I need to get my head around.

Vegan protein:

*beans (lentils, chickpeas, beans)

*soy (tempeh, tofu, edammame, soy milk)

*nuts +seeds

*grains (oats, whole-wheat, quinoa)

*peas /spinach /broccoli /potatoes "

Don't forget seitan

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

TIA

Yeah, Quornish Pasties.

Got one on order! Thanks mate

Huh, I thought it was just an incredible clever pun. "

Quorn beat you to that one I’m afraid!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still struggling to find a Vegan sausage that tastes of anything other than cardboard.

I recommend the new richmond sausages (frozen or fresh)

Ironically the meat Richmond sausages are terrible so the Vegan ones don't have much to live up to to compare.

Oh i can't comment on meat ones, sorry.. But having tried all the veggie +vegan ones, i can confirm richmond are the best vegan ones!

Not bought Richmond ones in years. I'll get a pack of both tonight just to do a taste test.

I like pretty much all veg anyway so that won't be an issue it's the protein/meat substitutes I need to get my head around.

Vegan protein:

*beans (lentils, chickpeas, beans)

*soy (tempeh, tofu, edammame, soy milk)

*nuts +seeds

*grains (oats, whole-wheat, quinoa)

*peas /spinach /broccoli /potatoes "

Soy I'm a bit unsure on and I found it a bit flavourless although I appreciate it's probably the spice/seasoning which makes it pleasant. I had sunflower mince last week and it was pretty decent tbh. Been given some to try so will have a go at a M/F chilli/Bolognese.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vegan protein:

*beans (lentils, chickpeas, beans)

*soy (tempeh, tofu, edammame, soy milk)

*nuts +seeds

*grains (oats, whole-wheat, quinoa)

*peas /spinach /broccoli /potatoes

Tempeh is fab - but needs marinating... Same as tofu which used to go straight into my bin, but lately I've figured out how to press, marinate and cook it properly.. Check out Demuths Crispy Sesame Tofu

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone would like to send me some tasty vegan or veggie recipes I'd be grateful, i have looked online but it's better if it has a personal recomendation. I'd like to reduce how much meat i eat.

I was a veggie for over 10 years, probably much longer, often eating vegan anyway. It was many years ago though and it was fairly difficult then. I mostly used a variety of beans, peas and pulses.

However i don't like meat substitutes, quorn type things, nor soya except in margarine type spreads.

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If anyone would like to send me some tasty vegan or veggie recipes I'd be grateful, i have looked online but it's better if it has a personal recomendation. I'd like to reduce how much meat i eat.

I was a veggie for over 10 years, probably much longer, often eating vegan anyway. It was many years ago though and it was fairly difficult then. I mostly used a variety of beans, peas and pulses.

However i don't like meat substitutes, quorn type things, nor soya except in margarine type spreads.

Thank you

"Rachel Ama’s Cajun beer-battered oyster mushrooms can be enjoyed in many different ways"

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/plant-based-vegan-battered-mushrooms-b1908357.html

King Oyster Mushroom Curry

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmFZw_IT8R/?utm_medium=copy_link

Satay Tofu Skewers with Noodles

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRQvXFpIVLp/?utm_medium=copy_link

Crispy Sticky Tofu

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTf3NPUCR8B/?utm_medium=copy_link

Had all of these and they're very tasty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Books I use regularly are Bosh, Leon and Fast Easy Vegan.

Leon is mostly quite fancy recipes - taste amazing but can take some time. Fast Easy Vegan is brilliant for quick, cheap meals (she has a good Instagram too).

Bosh is somewhere between.

Easy meat substitute is 'seitan' - basically vital wheat gluten flour (order big packs online), blend with a bit of chickpea flour (or any flour), add in some spices, mix with water, tear into chunks & dry fry. Can then add that to pretty much any sauce - our favourite at the mo is sweet & sour.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Books I use regularly are Bosh, Leon and Fast Easy Vegan.

Leon is mostly quite fancy recipes - taste amazing but can take some time. Fast Easy Vegan is brilliant for quick, cheap meals (she has a good Instagram too).

Bosh is somewhere between.

Do you not steam yours before dry fry ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Make sure you start taking vitamins too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Books I use regularly are Bosh, Leon and Fast Easy Vegan.

Leon is mostly quite fancy recipes - taste amazing but can take some time. Fast Easy Vegan is brilliant for quick, cheap meals (she has a good Instagram too).

Bosh is somewhere between.

I'm not mad on bosch... I've not had any success

Check out Ottolenghi and also Demuths online recipes

Oo i feel like we need a recipe thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Books I use regularly are Bosh, Leon and Fast Easy Vegan.

Leon is mostly quite fancy recipes - taste amazing but can take some time. Fast Easy Vegan is brilliant for quick, cheap meals (she has a good Instagram too).

Bosh is somewhere between.

Do you not steam yours before dry fry ?"

No - I did do to begin with but turns out there's no need! I just tear them into little chunks/balls. Dry fry quickly until the outside is a little brown. Then turn down the temperature to low for maybe 8 minutes. Get on with making sauce in the meantime - then combine sauce & the seitan for a couple of minutes & that's it!

The extra flour lightens it up a bit so not too chewy.

If I want more of a chorizo type texture then I'd still do the steaming method (or sometimes boil in stock instead).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?"

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'll give that a go ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?"

Can't help with that sorry. We do a lot of running & things so big on the carbs. If anything we're normally bothered about needing to eat more

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

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I'm a dedicated omnivore. But I still eat more fresh fruit and veg than any of my vegan friends.. I absolutely love veggies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll give that a go ......

Just don't overcook. Otherwise it'll be like chewing a rubber ball

Then again some might like that

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

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I went vegan from January last year, I found that the vegan options in the shops were plentiful and on the most part pretty tasty. However heavily laden with salt.

I still have days when I use vegetarian / vegan products and normally pick those options in restaurants, mostly for the reduced fat intake.

I have gone back to chicken and fish now as my main staples as I wanted a better source of protein. I personally just did not see the results I wanted from veggie protiens

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over a year ago

"I have been Vegan for approx 5 years a little more.

Here is what I believe is the best advice I can give you.

1. All food is vegan - unless it is a dead animal or something that came from their body ( it might seem obvious but you will one day ...... f'knell Granny I get it now )

2. There is no great mystery to being a non meat eater. You just eat everything else but not the flesh of an animal or something made with animal bits.

3. Read the labels on EVERYTHING. Milk, Cream, Butter , Animal Fats , Gelatin is sneaked into nearly all foods.

4. Don't go down the 'Plant based' shit for ready meals. They are NOT healthy ( I have one every blue moon )

6. Beware the Quorn. It has egg in it. Unless you find one of the rare places that stock vegan quorn.

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I should have done this one first.

Look up which veggies contain the most proteins - I do. ( peas, beans , chickpeas etc )

Look up which greens contain the most vitamin c and b12 etc.

Eat as much as you can raw - it preserves vitamins and nutrients.

Eat your usual fave food. Curry = loads of veg in a curry sauce with grain of your choice rice etc ...... I use quinoa as it has more protein and less carb than rice.

Don't go down the tofu route cos you imagine it's what vegans do. I won't touch it with a ten foot barge pole.

And I agree with midnight. The best sausages are the Richmond ones..... the vegan ones.

Full English for me is .... Richmond sausages, Fried toms, Mushrooms, Hash brown , beans ...... ( just no egg )

Bacon substitutes are shite.

Make your own food.... Check that over the week you got enough protein and don't listen to the crackpots who think that think you have to exist on rice cakes and hummus ......

Roast Dinner ? Exactly the same as usual just don't use animal fats for the spuds.

You don't HAVE to eat stuff that is weird to you.

Gravy Granules are vegan anyway..... the Bisto ones. "

this is the best answer in this thread, im plant based myself. I would like to add on to that, that plant protein is superior to meat protein and this is fact.

second, Herbs are your best friend.

third. irish sea moss.

A gift from mother nature herself. literally a tasteless sea that you can put in everything and everything and it literally a godly multi vitamin superfood.

i take it every day and i have energy like never before. gives me glowing youthful skin and my stamina and semen supply doubled/tripled.

Mrs has on a few occasions asked me to stop taking it because she cant handle all that volume in her mouth

Fourth, you dont need supplements. plant based diet will provide you everything you need. You dont need meat. and dont need synthetic shite from holland and barret and all those pharma companies.

sincerely, former heavy meat eater and body builder, 27 years i ate that shite. rotten meat thrown on a grill passed as food......

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over a year ago

"I went vegan from January last year, I found that the vegan options in the shops were plentiful and on the most part pretty tasty. However heavily laden with salt.

I still have days when I use vegetarian / vegan products and normally pick those options in restaurants, mostly for the reduced fat intake.

I have gone back to chicken and fish now as my main staples as I wanted a better source of protein. I personally just did not see the results I wanted from veggie protiens "

Yeah ready made stuff is great for convenience, but not good everyday.. I go raw for a few days if I've over done processed food.. Let the acids /alkalines rebalance

A wholefood approach might have been a bette choice for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all b12 is originally from bacteria which is being killed off by pesticides etc.....

EVERYONE needs to check their b12 levels"

this is true, the argument about b12 from meat is moot.

you can get b12 from a plant based diet though so when meat eaters use the b12 argument it always confuses me how they havent really looked into it.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

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"I went vegan from January last year, I found that the vegan options in the shops were plentiful and on the most part pretty tasty. However heavily laden with salt.

I still have days when I use vegetarian / vegan products and normally pick those options in restaurants, mostly for the reduced fat intake.

I have gone back to chicken and fish now as my main staples as I wanted a better source of protein. I personally just did not see the results I wanted from veggie protiens

Yeah ready made stuff is great for convenience, but not good everyday.. I go raw for a few days if I've over done processed food.. Let the acids /alkalines rebalance

A wholefood approach might have been a bette choice for you?

I did a hit of both really ready made and others. I made a lot of interesting things with cauliflower and those bake in the bag type things.

The first steak I had after those 6 - 7 months though was amazing. That’s partly which chicken and fish (and the occasional filet) are back on my regular menu … I just enjoy the taste of them more than the alternatives.

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"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?"

easier than you think. let's bring it back to the most simple understanding of why we eat.

we eat to fill our body with nutrition. vitamins, minerals. protein for building. carbs and fat for energy.

vegetables contain, carbs, protein, minerals, vitamins AND fat.

Literally everything you need to survive.

this is fact. look up most greens. they contain all or minimum 3 of those main components.

all vegetables are carbs. i'll say it again. All vegetables are carbs.

low carbs. very low in carbs, depending on the veg.

high carbs are grains. my recommendation would be quinoa, spelt, wild rice.

avoid high glycemic foods aka white carbs aka rice, bread

potatoes.

i'll give you an example meal.

protein : beans ( not heinz baked )

veg: anything you want ( look what vegetables contain what vitamins and minerals, try to get a balance )

carb : quinoa

fat: nuts or avocado

fun fact: you can train your body to use either carbs or fat as energy source

look up the keto diet. ketogenic.

check this though, carbs like quinoa contain decent amounts of protein. so you get a carb protein combo.

then you can add things like spirulina or chia seeds for added protein and minerals.

the possibilities are endless. theres literally several hundreds of different vegetables out there.

hope that helps, feel free to ask me anything, ive been plant based 3 years now.

AND Stay away from processed ready meals and vegan sausages or plant based burgers and all that shite parading as plant based. its rubbish.

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over a year ago

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"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for? "

I ear lower carb all the time on medical advice. Not keto or very strictly limited carbs but definitely much lower than a "normal" diet

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"I went vegan from January last year, I found that the vegan options in the shops were plentiful and on the most part pretty tasty. However heavily laden with salt.

I still have days when I use vegetarian / vegan products and normally pick those options in restaurants, mostly for the reduced fat intake.

I have gone back to chicken and fish now as my main staples as I wanted a better source of protein. I personally just did not see the results I wanted from veggie protiens

Yeah ready made stuff is great for convenience, but not good everyday.. I go raw for a few days if I've over done processed food.. Let the acids /alkalines rebalance

A wholefood approach might have been a bette choice for you?

I did a hit of both really ready made and others. I made a lot of interesting things with cauliflower and those bake in the bag type things.

I guess it depends on your motivation for going vegan in the first place.. For me it is environment, animals, health... I'll never eat an animal again, there is no need - i have choice, flavour, nutrients in abundance

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"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

easier than you think. let's bring it back to the most simple understanding of why we eat.

we eat to fill our body with nutrition. vitamins, minerals. protein for building. carbs and fat for energy.

vegetables contain, carbs, protein, minerals, vitamins AND fat.

Literally everything you need to survive.

this is fact. look up most greens. they contain all or minimum 3 of those main components.

all vegetables are carbs. i'll say it again. All vegetables are carbs.

low carbs. very low in carbs, depending on the veg.

high carbs are grains. my recommendation would be quinoa, spelt, wild rice.

avoid high glycemic foods aka white carbs aka rice, bread

potatoes.

i'll give you an example meal.

protein : beans ( not heinz baked )

veg: anything you want ( look what vegetables contain what vitamins and minerals, try to get a balance )

carb : quinoa

fat: nuts or avocado

fun fact: you can train your body to use either carbs or fat as energy source

look up the keto diet. ketogenic.

check this though, carbs like quinoa contain decent amounts of protein. so you get a carb protein combo.

then you can add things like spirulina or chia seeds for added protein and minerals.

the possibilities are endless. theres literally several hundreds of different vegetables out there.

hope that helps, feel free to ask me anything, ive been plant based 3 years now.

AND Stay away from processed ready meals and vegan sausages or plant based burgers and all that shite parading as plant based. its rubbish.

I understand that the variety of vegetables is endless. I will take a look at your suggestions, thank you

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over a year ago

"Make sure you start taking vitamins too"

no need. absolutely not necessary, the food is the vitamins.

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over a year ago

"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for?

I ear lower carb all the time on medical advice. Not keto or very strictly limited carbs but definitely much lower than a "normal" diet"

Hmm... I think you'd defo need to get a nutritionalist advice.. It seems possible, but i don't know the wider implications.. Is it for diabetes? (don't answer if you prefer not to say)

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over a year ago

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"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for?

I ear lower carb all the time on medical advice. Not keto or very strictly limited carbs but definitely much lower than a "normal" diet

Hmm... I think you'd defo need to get a nutritionalist advice.. It seems possible, but i don't know the wider implications.. Is it for diabetes? (don't answer if you prefer not to say) "

No it's not for diabetes

. A consultant I saw fir raised cholesterol and thyroid problems advised lower carbs. A side effect of course is that I'm far less likely to develop type two diabetes.

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I wouldn't advise not taking at least a B12 supplement to somebody that's just starting out.

After a while it becomes habit to add in extra grains, greens & beans etc. to your meals but for peace of mind I'd suggest getting a daily supplement at least until you feel confident that you're getting everything you need as part of your normal diet.

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No it's not for diabetes

. A consultant I saw fir raised cholesterol and thyroid problems advised lower carbs. A side effect of course is that I'm far less likely to develop type two diabetes.

Can't speak to your thyroid problem, what I can say, I was on Statins for 10 years and I'm now completely free of them, I make sure I get my bloods checked every year as there is some familial reasons for my former high count plus a shit diet.

I've been under the average for an 50+ adult male for 2 years and I eat a carb rich diet.

*I do run a lot too.

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over a year ago

"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for?

I ear lower carb all the time on medical advice. Not keto or very strictly limited carbs but definitely much lower than a "normal" diet

Hmm... I think you'd defo need to get a nutritionalist advice.. It seems possible, but i don't know the wider implications.. Is it for diabetes? (don't answer if you prefer not to say)

No it's not for diabetes

. A consultant I saw fir raised cholesterol and thyroid problems advised lower carbs. A side effect of course is that I'm far less likely to develop type two diabetes.

Ohhhh well i would say you probably wouldn't need to worry as your cholesterol will (should) flip the other way.. Your bad C should drop and your good C, which comes from Oats. ...

Barley, whole grain, beans, aubergine, okra, nuts, avocado + fruit, should naturally rise, if you were eating correctly... You could skip high carb foods until you see some effect (but do some reseach, I'm no expert x)

I think iodine can help thyroid function, but usually after a certain level, you have no alt but to accept medical intervention

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

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"I went vegan from January last year, I found that the vegan options in the shops were plentiful and on the most part pretty tasty. However heavily laden with salt.

I still have days when I use vegetarian / vegan products and normally pick those options in restaurants, mostly for the reduced fat intake.

I have gone back to chicken and fish now as my main staples as I wanted a better source of protein. I personally just did not see the results I wanted from veggie protiens

Yeah ready made stuff is great for convenience, but not good everyday.. I go raw for a few days if I've over done processed food.. Let the acids /alkalines rebalance

A wholefood approach might have been a bette choice for you?

I did a hit of both really ready made and others. I made a lot of interesting things with cauliflower and those bake in the bag type things.

Yeah exactly for me it was purely about trying something new and seeing what it brought to my health but now I have all the options to hand so some nights I’ll take a vegan option others a meat option ! For me I just find meat a tastier option.

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"I wouldn't advise not taking at least a B12 supplement to somebody that's just starting out.

I think it's good practice to get all your vits boosted to ensure you are starting out with strong foundations

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"I went vegan from January last year, I found that the vegan options in the shops were plentiful and on the most part pretty tasty. However heavily laden with salt.

I still have days when I use vegetarian / vegan products and normally pick those options in restaurants, mostly for the reduced fat intake.

I have gone back to chicken and fish now as my main staples as I wanted a better source of protein. I personally just did not see the results I wanted from veggie protiens

Yeah ready made stuff is great for convenience, but not good everyday.. I go raw for a few days if I've over done processed food.. Let the acids /alkalines rebalance

A wholefood approach might have been a bette choice for you?

I did a hit of both really ready made and others. I made a lot of interesting things with cauliflower and those bake in the bag type things.

Every small change helps the environment and reduces animal suffering

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for?

I ear lower carb all the time on medical advice. Not keto or very strictly limited carbs but definitely much lower than a "normal" diet

Hmm... I think you'd defo need to get a nutritionalist advice.. It seems possible, but i don't know the wider implications.. Is it for diabetes? (don't answer if you prefer not to say)

No it's not for diabetes

. A consultant I saw fir raised cholesterol and thyroid problems advised lower carbs. A side effect of course is that I'm far less likely to develop type two diabetes.

Ohhhh well i would say you probably wouldn't need to worry as your cholesterol will (should) flip the other way.. Your bad C should drop and your good C, which comes from Oats. ...

I think iodine can help thyroid function, but usually after a certain level, you have no alt but to accept medical intervention "

I'm fully medicated for my thyroid problems thanks to her. My GP just didn't have the knowledge to get my dosage right and I'd been on too low a dose of thyroxine for about four years. Iodine will have an effect on your thyroid but not enough to correct a serious problem. If I need medication I will happily take it.

I'm happy with my diet as it is but I'd just like to eat fewer animal products.

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I should add that I don't think a vegan diet is for me.

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over a year ago

"How easy is it to combine low carb eating with a vegan diet?

There are plenty of resources on line, but i wonder if boredom would be the real barrier if the were high carb veggies that you exclude? How long would you do low carb for?

I ear lower carb all the time on medical advice. Not keto or very strictly limited carbs but definitely much lower than a "normal" diet

Hmm... I think you'd defo need to get a nutritionalist advice.. It seems possible, but i don't know the wider implications.. Is it for diabetes? (don't answer if you prefer not to say)

No it's not for diabetes

. A consultant I saw fir raised cholesterol and thyroid problems advised lower carbs. A side effect of course is that I'm far less likely to develop type two diabetes.

Ohhhh well i would say you probably wouldn't need to worry as your cholesterol will (should) flip the other way.. Your bad C should drop and your good C, which comes from Oats. ...

I think iodine can help thyroid function, but usually after a certain level, you have no alt but to accept medical intervention

I'm happy with my diet as it is but I'd just like to eat fewer animal products.

Lots of people take a flexitarian approach nowadays, you'll just have to test +trial what works best for you

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"I should add that I don't think a vegan diet is for me. "

I was veggie for 2 years, but I’ve had to add meat back in (but don’t tell midnight

I just didn’t feel great, and I don’t like a lot of foods that you need to eat, like beans, which made it really hard to eat a balanced and healthy diet.

I don’t think everyone can do it, so I’m eating some meat, but buying organic and good welfare meat as much as possible.

I do make sure all the products I use are

Cruelty free and environmentally friendly though. We all just do what we can don’t we.

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over a year ago

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"all b12 is originally from bacteria which is being killed off by pesticides etc.....

EVERYONE needs to check their b12 levels

this is true, the argument about b12 from meat is moot.

you can get b12 from a plant based diet though so when meat eaters use the b12 argument it always confuses me how they havent really looked into it. "

This is a quote from the vegan society website.

"In over 60 years of vegan experimentation only B12 fortified foods and B12 supplements have proven themselves as reliable sources of B12, capable of supporting optimal health. It is very important that all vegans ensure they have an adequate intake of B12, from fortified foods or supplements. This will benefit our health and help to attract others to veganism through our example."

Also, for whoever said avocado earlier in the thread.. not vegan. They have to force migrate (kill) hundreds of thousands of bees for your avos.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS
over a year ago

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Not eaten meat since i was little by choice! Lot's of alternatives of food/cruelty free products out there, Also each to their own if they eat meat or not.

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over a year ago

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"I should add that I don't think a vegan diet is for me.

I was veggie for 2 years, but I’ve had to add meat back in (but don’t tell midnight

I just didn’t feel great, and I don’t like a lot of foods that you need to eat, like beans, which made it really hard to eat a balanced and healthy diet.

I don’t think everyone can do it, so I’m eating some meat, but buying organic and good welfare meat as much as possible.

I do make sure all the products I use are

Cruelty free and environmentally friendly though. We all just do what we can don’t we. "

Exactly!

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over a year ago

"If anyone would like to send me some tasty vegan or veggie recipes I'd be grateful, i have looked online but it's better if it has a personal recomendation. I'd like to reduce how much meat i eat.

I was a veggie for over 10 years, probably much longer, often eating vegan anyway. It was many years ago though and it was fairly difficult then. I mostly used a variety of beans, peas and pulses.

However i don't like meat substitutes, quorn type things, nor soya except in margarine type spreads.

Thank you

"Rachel Ama’s Cajun beer-battered oyster mushrooms can be enjoyed in many different ways"

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/plant-based-vegan-battered-mushrooms-b1908357.html

King Oyster Mushroom Curry

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmFZw_IT8R/?utm_medium=copy_link

Satay Tofu Skewers with Noodles

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRQvXFpIVLp/?utm_medium=copy_link

Crispy Sticky Tofu

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTf3NPUCR8B/?utm_medium=copy_link

Had all of these and they're very tasty.

Thank you

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over a year ago

"Make sure you start taking vitamins too

no need. absolutely not necessary, the food is the vitamins. "

My body doesn't convert some vitamins well so i have to have at least a vit D suppliment ... regardless of eating meat, being a vegan or veggie ... i have been all and no matter what, i needed a vit D, despite spending most of my working day outside aswell

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over a year ago

"I should add that I don't think a vegan diet is for me.

I was veggie for 2 years, but I’ve had to add meat back in (but don’t tell midnight

I just didn’t feel great, and I don’t like a lot of foods that you need to eat, like beans, which made it really hard to eat a balanced and healthy diet.

I don’t think everyone can do it, so I’m eating some meat, but buying organic and good welfare meat as much as possible.

I do make sure all the products I use are

Cruelty free and environmentally friendly though. We all just do what we can don’t we. "

On a specific thread about people wanting help to be vegan it's a little triggering

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over a year ago

"I should add that I don't think a vegan diet is for me.

I was veggie for 2 years, but I’ve had to add meat back in (but don’t tell midnight

I just didn’t feel great, and I don’t like a lot of foods that you need to eat, like beans, which made it really hard to eat a balanced and healthy diet.

I don’t think everyone can do it, so I’m eating some meat, but buying organic and good welfare meat as much as possible.

I do make sure all the products I use are

Cruelty free and environmentally friendly though. We all just do what we can don’t we.

On a specific thread about people wanting help to be vegan it's a little triggering

Sorry, I didn’t mean it to be, but I think it’s important to know that not everyone can do it.

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By *acchanalian FlowersCouple
over a year ago

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Vegan for over 30 years now. It's a lot lot easier now, most people didn't know what it meant 30 years ago!

Anyway, here's my vegan recipe for you.

Get some mushrooms frying in a large pan, add some chillies. You need quite a lot of chillies as adding them this early means you will cook out a lot of their heat. When the mushrooms have lost all their water, add chopped savoy cabbage. Cook until the cabbage is no longer crunchy. Add can of chick peas and can off chopped tomatoes. Add salt. Serve with toasted granary bread.

Once you have this sorted you can mess around with it, try different veg, add mixed herbs and olives and serve with pasta, try leaving out the tomatoes and serve with short grain brown rice.

Basically once you have nailed vegan one pot wonders you can chop and change it as you wish.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm a vegan. My daughter is a VEGAN !

If she knew i'd bought a pint of milk for the builders i'd have no hands left.

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By *organ and rob zombieCouple
over a year ago

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We’ve been veggie for over 4 years now and still haven’t quite made the full switch yet for various reasons but we’ll get there so following this thread! Good luck OP

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over a year ago

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"I should add that I don't think a vegan diet is for me.

I was veggie for 2 years, but I’ve had to add meat back in (but don’t tell midnight

I just didn’t feel great, and I don’t like a lot of foods that you need to eat, like beans, which made it really hard to eat a balanced and healthy diet.

I don’t think everyone can do it, so I’m eating some meat, but buying organic and good welfare meat as much as possible.

I do make sure all the products I use are

Cruelty free and environmentally friendly though. We all just do what we can don’t we.

On a specific thread about people wanting help to be vegan it's a little triggering

Sorry, I didn’t mean it to be, but I think it’s important to know that not everyone can do it. "

Its all about where people draw their line. Even hardcore vegans have to compromise, whether they like it or not. Its impossible to live without animals dying for you. Respecting where each other draw their own lines is becoming rarer.

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over a year ago

There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

Life is about compromise as you said, it's all about were we draw that line.

I got vaccinated against covid in the full knowledge it will have been tested on animals, am I happy about this no, but on balance it was the right decision for me.

I choose not to eat meat for many reasons, among them is I don't need to, I can get all I need elsewhere, animal's don't need to be bred solely for the purpose of me eating them.

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't. "

...

"Life is about compromise "

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

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Life is about compromise

Those comments aren't mutually exclusive, I'm genuinely surprised this needs explaining.

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

Life is about compromise as you said, it's all about were we draw that line.

I got vaccinated against covid in the full knowledge it will have been tested on animals, am I happy about this no, but on balance it was the right decision for me.

I choose not to eat meat for many reasons, among them is I don't need to, I can get all I need elsewhere, animal's don't need to be bred solely for the purpose of me eating them.

Yeah. One of my vegan friends has a leather sofa. She bought it second hand and said it was ok because she wasn't directly responsible for it.

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Yeah. One of my vegan friends has a leather sofa. She bought it second hand and said it was ok because she wasn't directly responsible for it. "

That would be a non vegan.

I get it, she doesn't eat (I assume) meat products etc but veganism does extend beyond what you eat.

I initially went plant based and as I've repeated a few times this was driven by a desire to get healthy. As I progressed I began to agree more about the ethics behind it all and so buying anything of that nature whether new or used would go against those ethics.

I'll admit that I still have 2 pairs of leather shoes and a belt (I've only been vegan for 18 months) and I would see it as waste to now dispose of these items before they're worn out.

BTW I'm not here to criticise your friend at least they're thinking is heading in the right direction.

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over a year ago

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Yeah. One of my vegan friends has a leather sofa. She bought it second hand and said it was ok because she wasn't directly responsible for it.

That would be a non vegan.

I get it, she doesn't eat (I assume) meat products etc but veganism does extend beyond what you eat.

I'll admit that I still have 2 pairs of leather shoes and a belt (I've only been vegan for 18 months) and I would see it as waste to now dispose of these items before they're worn out.

BTW I'm not here to criticise your friend at least they're thinking is heading in the right direction.

Yeah I understand that. I don't criticise her either. Everyone makes compromises to suit themselves

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

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Life is about compromise

Those comments aren't mutually exclusive, I'm genuinely surprised this needs explaining.

Was intended as a light hearted joke.

But being as you're surprised at my stupidity I'll re-educate myself on the definition of 'compromise'.

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

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Life is about compromise

Those comments aren't mutually exclusive, I'm genuinely surprised this needs explaining.

Was intended as a light hearted joke.

But being as you're surprised at my stupidity I'll re-educate myself on the definition of 'compromise'.

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I'll have to edit out where I called you stupid!

The vegan compromise is for me is, I'll no longer eat foods I previously enjoyed, eg cheese, bacon, fish etc it's a long list. in exchange for that compromise I'm enjoying better health and the knowledge that I'm trying as best I can to not purchase animal products.

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"I'll have to edit out where I called you stupid! "

It's right here:

"I'm genuinely surprised this needs explaining. "

"The vegan compromise is for me is, I'll no longer eat foods I previously enjoyed, eg cheese, bacon, fish etc it's a long list. in exchange for that compromise I'm enjoying better health and the knowledge that I'm trying as best I can to not purchase animal products. "

Ironically I haven't found that to be a compromise at all. I enjoy my food more now than ever before and I get to eat a lot more of it!

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"I'll have to edit out where I called you stupid!

It's right here:

I'm genuinely surprised this needs explaining.

Ironically I haven't found that to be a compromise at all. I enjoy my food more now than ever before and I get to eat a lot more of it!

Oh ok you took that as being described as stupid, well I can't speak for how you experience things.

There's no irony in your last para, it's your experience and opinion.

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over a year ago

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

Life is about compromise as you said, it's all about were we draw that line.

I got vaccinated against covid in the full knowledge it will have been tested on animals, am I happy about this no, but on balance it was the right decision for me.

I choose not to eat meat for many reasons, among them is I don't need to, I can get all I need elsewhere, animal's don't need to be bred solely for the purpose of me eating them.

I've spoken to a vegan who told me it's OK to feed cats (obligate carnivores) a highly processed vegan diet because "they aren't natural animals"

I know from a friend of mine on here that she was asked to refrain from wearing or consuming animal products for 24 hours prior to meeting a vegan chap.

I would clas both of those at the extreme end of veganism.

I have no issues with people's food choices. Only if they do not respect my choices, as I respect theirs. Just because I draw my line in the sand elsewhere shouldn't invite abuse. (Not that I have had that on here, but plenty on other platforms)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My education continues

Don't worry, the sting won't last long.

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over a year ago

I've spoken to a vegan who told me it's OK to feed cats (obligate carnivores) a highly processed vegan diet because "they aren't natural animals"

I know from a friend of mine on here that she was asked to refrain from wearing or consuming animal products for 24 hours prior to meeting a vegan chap.

I would clas both of those at the extreme end of veganism.

Well they aren't strictly speaking the extreme end of veganism (ok maybe they are) please bear me out, in the first example what you're describing sounds to me like someone who's completely lost the plot generally, veganism is about personal choice so extending that to a creature that is a natural carnivore smacks of idiocy.

As for the next example, it's just plain fuckwittery and there's more than that as examples on this thread.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

As for the next example, it's just plain fuckwittery and there's more than that as examples on this thread. "

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over a year ago

"My education continues

Don't worry, the sting won't last long."

Oh, was that supposed to hurt?

My facetiousness was an attempt at ignoring the patronising responses.

I think there are 'hardcore vegans'. They include the those that insist on dictating what others should do based on their own motivations and practises. I think of this as fuckwittery.

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over a year ago

My facetiousness was an attempt at ignoring the patronising responses.

Oh that's how you ignore someone?

You are truly educating us all, we are indebted.

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My facetiousness was an attempt at ignoring the patronising responses.

Oh that's how you ignore someone?

You are truly educating us all, we are indebted. "

Oh that's how you patronise someone?

I'd said I had attempted to ignore the patronising responses, not the person. However I'll now do both

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"My education continues

Don't worry, the sting won't last long.

Oh, was that supposed to hurt?

My facetiousness was an attempt at ignoring the patronising responses.

I think there are 'hardcore vegans'. They include the those that insist on dictating what others should do based on their own motivations and practises. I think of this as fuckwittery. "

For my own sanity I always try and differentiate between those on plant based diets and Vegans.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Good for you Op

Let us know how it goes

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By *inkyeroticaCouple
over a year ago

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I (C) jumped straight in! Vegan almost two years, and no looking back! Since I met V she has also made the change, (that’s love that is) and she is also loving it too! Just go for it, and welcome to the club!

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over a year ago

My facetiousness was an attempt at ignoring the patronising responses.

Oh that's how you ignore someone?

You are truly educating us all, we are indebted.

Oh that's how you patronise someone?

I'd said I had attempted to ignore the patronising responses, not the person. However I'll now do both

Outstanding bollix

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

Well, I would be interested to know why Veganism is the chosen path ?

For me, it is an inappropriate WOE that does not provide all the nutrients that humans need.

I get it if it is for moral reasons, but for health it is not optimal, or even close to it.

But if youbare going to do it, make sure you add supplements and monitor yourself with regular trips to the doctor.

Good luck ??

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over a year ago

"Well, I would be interested to know why Veganism is the chosen path ?

For me, it is an inappropriate WOE that does not provide all the nutrients that humans need.

I get it if it is for moral reasons, but for health it is not optimal, or even close to it.

But if youbare going to do it, make sure you add supplements and monitor yourself with regular trips to the doctor.

Good luck ?? "

Speaking from experience presumably?

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over a year ago

Just remember all the mice and invertebrates, ground nesting birds and other animals that may get caught up in the machines when they are cutting your grass up. You may think you are doing best by animals because your not eating the ones your seeing in the supermarket shelves, but when wheat/corn etc is cut, there are plenty being caught up in the machines. Enjoys your carrots

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"Just remember all the mice and invertebrates, ground nesting birds and other animals that may get caught up in the machines when they are cutting your grass up. You may think you are doing best by animals because your not eating the ones your seeing in the supermarket shelves, but when wheat/corn etc is cut, there are plenty being caught up in the machines. Enjoys your carrots"

Actually that's a great point

May as well fuck em all then ay, in for a penny etc.

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

Not forgetting the thousands of lives taken by the insecticides and the tilling of the soil.

I saw a YT vid where an avocado farmer estimated that 50,000 lives plus untold water was lost for a field of his crops.

Makes the short but grass fed lives of 3 sheep and a couple of cows (roughly my yearly consumption) seem morally superior in a way.

Life spent always have a cute face

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

...

Life is about compromise

Those comments aren't mutually exclusive, I'm genuinely surprised this needs explaining.

Was intended as a light hearted joke.

But being as you're surprised at my stupidity I'll re-educate myself on the definition of 'compromise'.

No don't. I found it amusing too. That's because it was.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

Life is about compromise as you said, it's all about were we draw that line.

I got vaccinated against covid in the full knowledge it will have been tested on animals, am I happy about this no, but on balance it was the right decision for me.

I choose not to eat meat for many reasons, among them is I don't need to, I can get all I need elsewhere, animal's don't need to be bred solely for the purpose of me eating them.

Yeah. One of my vegan friends has a leather sofa. She bought it second hand and said it was ok because she wasn't directly responsible for it. "

I'm vegan. I own two leather three piece suites.

I owned them well before I went vegan.

I won't get rid of them. What's the point of that ?

The answer below that says a leather owner is not vegan is misinformed

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Not forgetting the thousands of lives taken by the insecticides and the tilling of the soil.

I saw a YT vid where an avocado farmer estimated that 50,000 lives plus untold water was lost for a field of his crops.

Makes the short but grass fed lives of 3 sheep and a couple of cows (roughly my yearly consumption) seem morally superior in a way.

Life spent always have a cute face "

Interesting logic

I'm interested in how you calculated your consumption of three sheep and two cows a year though?

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

My calculation is based on what I eat. The more protein and fat, the less food in total. I eat about 2-3 lbs a day. Let's say 800lbs a year.

So my calculation was on the high side, just in case. Still, few lives compared to the many consumed and discarded by arable farming.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Well you've completed the obligatory first step, telling everyone about it. Good luck.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"There's no such thing as a hard-core vegan.

You're either a vegan or you aren't.

Life is about compromise as you said, it's all about were we draw that line.

I got vaccinated against covid in the full knowledge it will have been tested on animals, am I happy about this no, but on balance it was the right decision for me.

I choose not to eat meat for many reasons, among them is I don't need to, I can get all I need elsewhere, animal's don't need to be bred solely for the purpose of me eating them.

Yeah. One of my vegan friends has a leather sofa. She bought it second hand and said it was ok because she wasn't directly responsible for it.

I'm vegan. I own two leather three piece suites.

I owned them well before I went vegan.

I won't get rid of them. What's the point of that ?

The answer below that says a leather owner is not vegan is misinformed"

Again, this is back to where people draw their line and their own definition. There is video clip from the BBC where a vegan activist met a sheep (wool) farmer and would/could not even touch wool. By one definition, oysters are classed as vegan. They have no brain or nervous system.

There are arguments both for and against veganism. Eating more veggies certainly has health benefits however much of the "faux" meat products are worse for you than actual meat. Also worse for the environment. If you are worried about cute animals, anything with palm oil in is likely displacing/ killing orangs in SE Asia.

Personally, I very rarely eat beef (worst environmentally) and choose local farm animals/dairy where possible.

I am glad to see there is far less vitriol on her than on other platforms about this topic. Might have something to do with respecting boundaries perhaps?

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

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The only reason men become vegan is he thinks women will talk to him and he can get laid.

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over a year ago

"Well, I would be interested to know why Veganism is the chosen path ?

For me, it is an inappropriate WOE that does not provide all the nutrients that humans need.

I get it if it is for moral reasons, but for health it is not optimal, or even close to it.

But if youbare going to do it, make sure you add supplements and monitor yourself with regular trips to the doctor.

Good luck ?? "

Your thinking is definitely confused /misinformed as my last health check results will testify

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over a year ago

"The only reason men become vegan is he thinks women will talk to him and he can get laid. "

Thank goodness most of them are intelligent, educated and know their own minds

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"The only reason men become vegan is he thinks women will talk to him and he can get laid. "

Slightly glib and inaccurate. If just getting laid was the goal, then surely am omnivorous male who wasn't scared of veggies/salad would have a numerical advantage?

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over a year ago

Not forgetting the thousands of lives taken by the insecticides and the tilling of the soil.

I saw a YT vid where an avocado farmer estimated that 50,000 lives plus untold water was lost for a field of his crops.

Makes the short but grass fed lives of 3 sheep and a couple of cows (roughly my yearly consumption) seem morally superior in a way.

Life spent always have a cute face "

Wait.. So you are not eating the same grains in your cereal /bread etc??

Farming practices are not pretty full stop, regardless of what is being grown or harvested ... you seem to have forgotten the badgers, foxes and crows killed, amongst others in the raising of slaughter animals.. Along with the rabbits, deer etc killed to protect crops

I guess if you had a whole sheep /cow in your freezer and ate your way through it (as one of my friends does), your argument of 3 sheep +2 cows would work.. But if you are eating a bit of a sheep weekly.. I don't think they slice a bit off and then send it back to the field, saying "thanks for only eating a bit of ne.. I'm only a little bit dead"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you tried theHeck brand?

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

Not forgetting the thousands of lives taken by the insecticides and the tilling of the soil.

I saw a YT vid where an avocado farmer estimated that 50,000 lives plus untold water was lost for a field of his crops.

Makes the short but grass fed lives of 3 sheep and a couple of cows (roughly my yearly consumption) seem morally superior in a way.

Life spent always have a cute face

Wait.. So you are not eating the same grains in your cereal /bread etc??

No. I eat nothing other than animal based products...except coffee.

If everyone shared a sheep or cow at the same time, as we did throughout evolution, then why wouldn't it work ?

As it happens, I buy a half cow or a full sheep and fill my freezer. But do buy other when on hols or elsewhere.

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over a year ago

"No. I eat nothing other than animal based products...except coffee.

If everyone shared a sheep or cow at the same time, as we did throughout evolution, then why wouldn't it work ?

As it happens, I buy a half cow or a full sheep and fill my freezer. But do buy other when on hols or elsewhere. "

You put half a cow in a freezer??!

Of course you do.

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over a year ago

"The only reason men become vegan is he thinks women will talk to him and he can get laid. "

There's another topic on this and turns out that not only do they get laid but they have better sex!

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"No. I eat nothing other than animal based products...except coffee.

If everyone shared a sheep or cow at the same time, as we did throughout evolution, then why wouldn't it work ?

As it happens, I buy a half cow or a full sheep and fill my freezer. But do buy other when on hols or elsewhere.

You put half a cow in a freezer??!

Of course you do."

Pretty sure the butcher chops it into joints/pieces first.

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By *en-xxxMan
over a year ago

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More steaks for me

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Not forgetting the thousands of lives taken by the insecticides and the tilling of the soil.

I saw a YT vid where an avocado farmer estimated that 50,000 lives plus untold water was lost for a field of his crops.

Makes the short but grass fed lives of 3 sheep and a couple of cows (roughly my yearly consumption) seem morally superior in a way.

Life spent always have a cute face

Wait.. So you are not eating the same grains in your cereal /bread etc??

No. I eat nothing other than animal based products...except coffee.

If everyone shared a sheep or cow at the same time, as we did throughout evolution, then why wouldn't it work ?

As it happens, I buy a half cow or a full sheep and fill my freezer. But do buy other when on hols or elsewhere. "

Sometimes I laugh so hard....... a)if everyone shared a sheep or a cow at the same time how many mouthfuls would each person get b) would the people eating in daylight have an advantage over those eating in the dark ? c) how many sheepses are there in a cow ?

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"No. I eat nothing other than animal based products...except coffee.

If everyone shared a sheep or cow at the same time, as we did throughout evolution, then why wouldn't it work ?

As it happens, I buy a half cow or a full sheep and fill my freezer. But do buy other when on hols or elsewhere.

You put half a cow in a freezer??!

Of course you do.

Pretty sure the butcher chops it into joints/pieces first.

Nah I'm sure he just drops 300 kilos of cow into his freezer

Mind you if he truly only eats animals then he must be pretty constipated, which I guess means he's literally full of shit

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

And why would I be constipated?

The lack of fibre ?

Fibre, which like all carbohydrate, are the only non-essential macronutrient. There are essential amino acids, essential Fats, but no carbs that we need to consume for life.

I do buy prepacked and labelled beef and I eat the organs (heart,kidneys, liver etc.) I try to minimise the waste and it is farmed in a highly sustainable way.

Next you will be saying that I will have a heart attack or something equally mis-informed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think I already said what needed to be said

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

Not sure what that was. But as long as you have said it.

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