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"As I said the last time this came up... I know just where I was. In the middle of the opening day of the pub I was working in. We didn't have a telly in there at the time, so when someone came in and said what was happening the boss went and got his from upstairs. Switched in just in time to see the 2nd tower hit. I fainted. Then spent the rest of the day waiting for a call that never came. For someone somewhere it must have achieved something. But for too many all it achieved was heartbreak and loss." Yep . This . Totally | |||
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"Can anyone explain what this awfull attack actually achieved? " The Washington Post estimates that the cost of invading Afghanistan (as that's where the US were convinced Bin Laden was hiding out after 'masterminding the attacks') at US$2.3 trillion. Thats US$2,300,000,000,000.00 Civilian casualties: According to the Watson Institute 71,000 The Costs of War makes for sobering reading. Search Watson Brown education as it's a University. The total long term costs of the Afghanistan adventure is reckoned by Watson Brown to be closer to US$8 trillion when long term care of the wounded, corruption and everything else is taken into account. Military casualties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan | |||
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"I have told my story before…. I am sure a lot of the people who have been here for a while know… I was in New York until 2 days before… and September 11 was my first day working in my new job at American Express There was an announcement at 2pm asking if anyone who had New York relatives to go to a room… they told us a plane had crashed into WTC, and they would let us know more when they did… 15 minutes later they pulled us all aside, let us know a 2nd one had crashed, and anyone who wanted to go home could….. wired thing was most of us stayed but an office where you would here telephones ringing constantly went deafly silent Then they told us all to go home… just go home! It was when we asked what had happened they told us of collapse 1…. I had friends who worked in both buildings… I had relatives who worked just a few blocks up! And then for some reason I became almost the point person for everyone I knew to find out if everyone was safe…. The weird thing is that because the tv and radio antennas were at the top of WTC1 basically a lot of people in New York couldn’t get information, but me here could…. So it’s me with 2 phones trying to find out who was where, if people were okay ect My relatives were okay… they left their buildings after the first one hit and basically ended up having to walk all the way up Manhattan and over the bridge into queens before they managed to get lifts Not everyone I knew got out, I lost 6 damn good friends that day… 3 worked for cantor Fitzgerald, 3 worked for Morgan Stanley So on Saturday, I’ll do what I always do on that day… go to my church in the morning and light 6 little candles…." | |||
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"I have told my story before…. I am sure a lot of the people who have been here for a while know… I was in New York until 2 days before… and September 11 was my first day working in my new job at American Express There was an announcement at 2pm asking if anyone who had New York relatives to go to a room… they told us a plane had crashed into WTC, and they would let us know more when they did… 15 minutes later they pulled us all aside, let us know a 2nd one had crashed, and anyone who wanted to go home could….. wired thing was most of us stayed but an office where you would here telephones ringing constantly went deafly silent Then they told us all to go home… just go home! It was when we asked what had happened they told us of collapse 1…. I had friends who worked in both buildings… I had relatives who worked just a few blocks up! And then for some reason I became almost the point person for everyone I knew to find out if everyone was safe…. The weird thing is that because the tv and radio antennas were at the top of WTC1 basically a lot of people in New York couldn’t get information, but me here could…. So it’s me with 2 phones trying to find out who was where, if people were okay ect My relatives were okay… they left their buildings after the first one hit and basically ended up having to walk all the way up Manhattan and over the bridge into queens before they managed to get lifts Not everyone I knew got out, I lost 6 damn good friends that day… 3 worked for cantor Fitzgerald, 3 worked for Morgan Stanley So on Saturday, I’ll do what I always do on that day… go to my church in the morning and light 6 little candles…." Sending so much love J x | |||
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"I have told my story before…. I am sure a lot of the people who have been here for a while know… I was in New York until 2 days before… and September 11 was my first day working in my new job at American Express There was an announcement at 2pm asking if anyone who had New York relatives to go to a room… they told us a plane had crashed into WTC, and they would let us know more when they did… 15 minutes later they pulled us all aside, let us know a 2nd one had crashed, and anyone who wanted to go home could….. wired thing was most of us stayed but an office where you would here telephones ringing constantly went deafly silent Then they told us all to go home… just go home! It was when we asked what had happened they told us of collapse 1…. I had friends who worked in both buildings… I had relatives who worked just a few blocks up! And then for some reason I became almost the point person for everyone I knew to find out if everyone was safe…. The weird thing is that because the tv and radio antennas were at the top of WTC1 basically a lot of people in New York couldn’t get information, but me here could…. So it’s me with 2 phones trying to find out who was where, if people were okay ect My relatives were okay… they left their buildings after the first one hit and basically ended up having to walk all the way up Manhattan and over the bridge into queens before they managed to get lifts Not everyone I knew got out, I lost 6 damn good friends that day… 3 worked for cantor Fitzgerald, 3 worked for Morgan Stanley So on Saturday, I’ll do what I always do on that day… go to my church in the morning and light 6 little candles…. " According to the documentaries on the telly this week, the emegergy command centres were also in the towers too (can anyone confirm this first hand?) and that took out any hope off joined up coms. The police fire brigade and the ambulances couldn't share information on the fly. Also that programme mentioned that the towers were supposed to have 6 stairwells, but only three were built, as the planning rules had changed recently and that meant more space to rent out. This felt like a pair of upright Titanics. Thousands of people trapped with so little chance of escape. A perfect storm of bad politics, pure evil, bad disaster advice and total and utter chaos and politicians at all levels, never, ever learning from history. If only America stopped destabilsing other stable countries, then maybe, just maybe all those people might have gone home on that day, alive. RIP to those who died. | |||
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"I was at work a mate rang me turned on the TV and was just stunned at what I was seeing. Same as the morning I got home at 6ish from the gym and saw grenfell ablaze poor people " I had a letter from my social housing landlord, telling all residents to stay put if there was a fire in a neighbouring property. Err, I'm just going to ignore that advice, as I don't feel comfortable waiting to die for no reason. If upstairs was to burn, then all of the foam and or water would flood my place too. It's these decisions that kill people, evacuation exists for a reason. Who exactly chose that particular cladding? As the fire brigade said once. "Get out Get us out And stay out!" Wise words indeed. | |||
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" According to the documentaries on the telly this week, the emegergy command centres were also in the towers too (can anyone confirm this first hand?) and that took out any hope off joined up coms. The police fire brigade and the ambulances couldn't share information on the fly. Also that programme mentioned that the towers were supposed to have 6 stairwells, but only three were built, as the planning rules had changed recently and that meant more space to rent out. This felt like a pair of upright Titanics. Thousands of people trapped with so little chance of escape. A perfect storm of bad politics, pure evil, bad disaster advice and total and utter chaos and politicians at all levels, never, ever learning from history. If only America stopped destabilsing other stable countries, then maybe, just maybe all those people might have gone home on that day, alive. RIP to those who died." Yep… the state and federal emergency services unit were based in the basement of WTC1 | |||
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"Well, it destabilised the Middle East. Again And got good ol' Dubya to give the world its greatest ever acronym with The War Against Terror " This in a nutshell. We should keep out of the middle east. It's tribal always has been always will. | |||
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"Well, it destabilised the Middle East. Again And got good ol' Dubya to give the world its greatest ever acronym with The War Against Terror This in a nutshell. We should keep out of the middle east. It's tribal always has been always will. " Other than what they did… what do you think they should have done? I don’t think anyone had a problem with the initial reaction.. the problem was the duration Anyway that’s all my political points for today…. Today is about honouring the 3000 people who died on this day 20 years ago | |||
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"I can't believe its nearly 20 years ago! I can remember the exact place / spot I was driving through when the news broke. Can anyone explain what this awfull attack actually achieved? " it achieved exactally what al queda wanted global jihad,probably done more to swell there numbers than anything else could | |||
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"I can't believe its nearly 20 years ago! I can remember the exact place / spot I was driving through when the news broke. Can anyone explain what this awfull attack actually achieved? " On a personal basis, all it achieved was my mate getting killed while serving in Afghanistan | |||
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"The USA and probably half of the world accused Osama Bin Laden of being the mastermind of this attack and you have to ask why? His father was worth over €5 billion ! So why did he have this mindset?? " good programe on the other night called road to bin laden,one of his mujahadeen commanders reakon he became like he did after they defeated the russians he then fell in with the muslim brotherhood from eygpt and others from pakistan,apparently up until that point he didnt hold those beleifs and was just a fighter helping to defeat the russians | |||
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