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"Extinction Tom." Yes but not in our lifetimes | |||
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"Trying to socket to the government "  Very good  Mr TMN | |||
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"Are these the people who protest against people getting larger kitchen come dining rooms?" Conservation, Conservatories, what's the difference? | |||
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"I saw a report about this... Some of these people, and not all, stirring the pot. But what is their motive ?" Easy to find - this from Wiki.... Extinction Rebellion is a global environmental movement with the stated aim of using nonviolent civil disobedience to compel government action to avoid tipping points in the climate system, biodiversity loss, and the risk of social and ecological collapse | |||
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"Are these the people who protest against people getting larger kitchen come dining rooms?" Probably a partition wall dispute with the neighbours | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire." And the previous ice ages? | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages?" They didn’t swelter.. | |||
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"What is their cause? What do they want?" Have a look Tom, they have a website 
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"What is their cause? What do they want?" I just copied and pasted it in here, into your thread. The first one from Wiki, the second from their site. Tbh I thought you would have read this yourself given that you posted the thread? A good thread btw... it is good to question things, people, movements. | |||
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"What is their cause? What do they want?" They want to save the planet, by raising awareness of how we are damaging the environment. Global warming, pollution etc. | |||
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"They are protesting but who is listening ?" It certainly strikes a c(h)ord with me  | |||
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"They are protesting but who is listening ? It certainly strikes a c(h)ord with me "Absolutely - I think it does with most people who have children, grandchildren or are simply concerned about the way we are heading. And you do not even have to take a position for or against them - just acknowledging that they are trying to raise awareness about a really important issue of our times. Sadly, so often people and movements receive a stereotypical dismissive attitude from the very people who actually have not bothered finding out what they are about. | |||
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"They need a voice, direction and strategy. Not sure if anyone knows what they want .." Most people, not all, actually do. Especially people in the London area where most of the protests are held but also in smaller communities. Many find themselves indeed a bit inconvenienced being stopped in their cars, being delayed getting to work etc. Some will actually change their tune once they bother finding out what this is about and that it affects everybody. | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages?" Who needs science when you have whatabouterry hey…. my great grandad smoked 100 Marlboro a day since age 5 and ate lard and coal and lived till 100 so all the science about cancer and nutrition can just fuck right off. | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages? Who needs science when you have whatabouterry hey…. my great grandad smoked 100 Marlboro a day since age 5 and ate lard and coal and lived till 100 so all the science about cancer and nutrition can just fuck right off." | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages? Who needs science when you have whatabouterry hey…. my great grandad smoked 100 Marlboro a day since age 5 and ate lard and coal and lived till 100 so all the science about cancer and nutrition can just fuck right off." I think that’s more to do with genetics and body tolerance, a whole other interesting subject | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm." I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm." why can't it be both? You get to different.peoplw on different ways. | |||
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"I don’t agree or disagree with their actions, it’s everyone’s right to express themselves as long as it’s kept civil, for me, I would rather our police and emergency services deal with actual criminals rather than having to keep civil activists in line. " I hear you there. | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.why can't it be both? You get to different.peoplw on different ways. " | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. " So they’re criminals then…..With a conscience. | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages? Who needs science when you have whatabouterry hey…. my great grandad smoked 100 Marlboro a day since age 5 and ate lard and coal and lived till 100 so all the science about cancer and nutrition can just fuck right off." So the previous ice ages don't count ? | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. " Let us remember that civil disobedience in the past has been required to acquire all sorts of rights we now take for granted. Equality of the sexes/the vote; disability rights; desegregation etc. | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. So they’re criminals then…..With a conscience." No, they are certainly not "criminals" anymore than anybody else who goes out to protest. This would be a way too polarised black/white view of the work they are doing, the actions they are taking. Interestingly, a lot of policemen struggled with having to arrest some of them because deep in their hearts they were thinking about their own children and the world we are leaving to them to sort out. Do they cause problems? You bet they do. They make people late for work, they paint a few buildings (with paint that washes off so no permanent damage done) and they are definitely an inconvenience but... they are not doing it out of mischief. They are doing it to be heard. Whether or not that is the best way, I do genuinely not know. I also know that sitting back and doing armchair debates on what we "should be doing" to save the planet are even less effective. | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages? Who needs science when you have whatabouterry hey…. my great grandad smoked 100 Marlboro a day since age 5 and ate lard and coal and lived till 100 so all the science about cancer and nutrition can just fuck right off. So the previous ice ages don't count ?" the sun sets every day, bit if it suddenly set at 11am you'd ask questions... And not say the yesterday's sunset doesn't count ... You need to show the pattern was expected to use that argument. | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. Let us remember that civil disobedience in the past has been required to acquire all sorts of rights we now take for granted. Equality of the sexes/the vote; disability rights; desegregation etc. " Absolutely spot on! | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. Let us remember that civil disobedience in the past has been required to acquire all sorts of rights we now take for granted. Equality of the sexes/the vote; disability rights; desegregation etc. " That is very true, but it seems we don’t learn from the past and instead of finding better ways we always go round in circles repeating the same mistakes. What we did in the past to accomplish change, shouldn’t have to be repeated nowadays as we are all more understanding of our situations, mental health etc. | |||
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"Bunch of loonies if you ask me... Tunes .. the lot of them " I am really surprised as you posted the thread and asked what I thought was a really good question, only now to pretend you still do not know what they are about but in the same breath dismiss them. I dam struggling to understand that logic. | |||
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"Extinction Rebellion can protest as much as they like but the increasing violence only alienates the people they want to get onside. Greta Thunberg has actually made more of an impact on the politicians in a short space of time than all the ER protests that have ever happened " I would be inclined to agree that Greta has a great way, but you know there are people who find HER aggressive and are telling her to go back to school. Tricky. | |||
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"Bunch of loonies if you ask me... Tunes .. the lot of them I am really surprised as you posted the thread and asked what I thought was a really good question, only now to pretend you still do not know what they are about but in the same breath dismiss them. I dam struggling to understand that logic. " Its a fair question OP. I enjoy your surreal wild life threads but if you want a serious discussion then let's do it. | |||
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"Extinction Rebellion can protest as much as they like but the increasing violence only alienates the people they want to get onside. Greta Thunberg has actually made more of an impact on the politicians in a short space of time than all the ER protests that have ever happened I would be inclined to agree that Greta has a great way, but you know there are people who find HER aggressive and are telling her to go back to school. Tricky. " Haters will always hate, nothing will ever change there until they wise up themselves | |||
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"Clearly the climate is being affected by our efforts. The Earth won’t be destroyed just made more habitable for cockroaches etc There are more of us alive than ever. Not a bad thing as such but we must slow down our carbon dioxide creation otherwise our children will swelter ankle deep in the mire. And the previous ice ages?" Climate is cyclical and we have had extreme weather events and periods without human intervention. But at the moment we’re seeing an unprecedented rapid climate change and there is considerable evidence that points to a human cause for this. | |||
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"They'd get more respect if they did not block roads or vandalise. As a side note, blocking roads causes traffic holdups which in turn causes a risk that emergency services would get held up." From what I gather they do their best to ensure they don’t block emergency routes and do endeavour to let emergency vehicles through. But realistically the argument that people shouldn’t demonstrate because “ambulances might not get through” is a play on people’s emotions to encourage them to oppose whatever is being demonstrated. Pretty much every climate-denying paper/news channel screams about emergency vehicles being disrupted during demos with little to no evidence or even in some cases where this is shown not to be the case. | |||
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"Well why were they on the roof of underground trains stopping people from going to work I thought trains were environment friendly" A few of its members decided to initiate this action. It was not sanctioned by any “leadership”. A spokesman said they understood the protest by activists but were themselves looking to protest in less divisive ways. | |||
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"Well why were they on the roof of underground trains stopping people from going to work I thought trains were environment friendly A few of its members decided to initiate this action. It was not sanctioned by any “leadership”. A spokesman said they understood the protest by activists but were themselves looking to protest in less divisive ways. " The activists themselves said they targeted the underground lines heading towards the financial areas to highlight the endless mantra of “growth, growth, growth” in a world where endless growth is destructive to not only the habitat but humanity itself. | |||
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"Who" Either this is a mildly amusing derivative joke about “who are - because you weren’t listening, thus validating the OP’s question. OR … a clever joke responding with the acronym of the world health organisation to reply as those who are listening. Either way… | |||
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"Who Either this is a mildly amusing derivative joke about “who are - because you weren’t listening, thus validating the OP’s question. OR … a clever joke responding with the acronym of the world health organisation to reply as those who are listening. Either way… "Oh god, don’t start that rumour. I’ve already heard ER were started by George Soros “to destroy civilisation”, petroleum companies to “undermine the climate change support”, neo-Nazis to “destroy the (((globalists)j)”. | |||
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"They are the guys and gals who (whether you agree with their method of delivery or not) are trying to raise awareness of the time bomb we are sitting on e.g. global worming, climate change, environmental pollution etc. They are prepared to pay fines and go to prison for their convictions and for trying to save their and YOUR planet. I am not supporting them but before anybody wants to ridicule them, perhaps talk to one of them and find out a bit more. "Global worming? | |||
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"Well why were they on the roof of underground trains stopping people from going to work I thought trains were environment friendly A few of its members decided to initiate this action. It was not sanctioned by any “leadership”. A spokesman said they understood the protest by activists but were themselves looking to protest in less divisive ways. The activists themselves said they targeted the underground lines heading towards the financial areas to highlight the endless mantra of “growth, growth, growth” in a world where endless growth is destructive to not only the habitat but humanity itself." Of course, most of the finance people are still working from home. So once again, a swing and a miss, impacting the wrong people and pissing of the general public. Clowns | |||
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"Well why were they on the roof of underground trains stopping people from going to work I thought trains were environment friendly" It’s because they are a disorganised rabble who have been infiltrated by people who just want to cause trouble. They are doing more damage than good to their cause because they are so shambolic when it comes to their targets. Glued themselves to the dlr before, the most environmentally friendly means of transport in London. If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. | |||
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"I don’t know much about ER but I’m generally in favour of direct action , nothing of great worth was ever achieved through democracy or peaceful protest , women’s rights, gay rights, workers rights, animal rights, end to sla*ery, apartheid, etc all took people making huge personal sacrifices and often breaking the law to create awareness and change " Protesting is dead as an effective way of getting traction. Protests now just attract people who want to agitate and break the law. There have to be smarter and more positive ways to get traction on topics. Blocking streets and damaging property is just idiotic. | |||
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"Well why were they on the roof of underground trains stopping people from going to work I thought trains were environment friendly A few of its members decided to initiate this action. It was not sanctioned by any “leadership”. A spokesman said they understood the protest by activists but were themselves looking to protest in less divisive ways. " There isn’t any “leadership”. Just disorganised rabble eh fancy a ruck. | |||
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"They'd get more respect if they did not block roads or vandalise. As a side note, blocking roads causes traffic holdups which in turn causes a risk that emergency services would get held up." I agree. Deliberately interrupting people’s days and work lives is just a moronic way to try to highlight a cause. Information campaigns, positive actions instead of disruptions / damage / violence would be much better in the long run. I support the cause but there is absolutely no way I would engage in one of their so-called protests. The movement has been taken over by mindless troublemakers, as all such protest movements are these days. Time to find a smarter way to highlight causes than some prick gluing himself to a train or sitting in the middle of a street. | |||
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"Well why were they on the roof of underground trains stopping people from going to work I thought trains were environment friendly A few of its members decided to initiate this action. It was not sanctioned by any “leadership”. A spokesman said they understood the protest by activists but were themselves looking to protest in less divisive ways. The activists themselves said they targeted the underground lines heading towards the financial areas to highlight the endless mantra of “growth, growth, growth” in a world where endless growth is destructive to not only the habitat but humanity itself. Of course, most of the finance people are still working from home. So once again, a swing and a miss, impacting the wrong people and pissing of the general public. Clowns " Speaking of 'swing and miss'... that XR protest happened in Oct 2019, well before anyone was working from home during covid. That said, I agree it was a completely ridiculous protest. Even quite a lot of XR members were surprised and pissed off by it. | |||
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"Yes. Let's be serious. They are not criminals and have the right to protest. But blocking roads is an obstruction of the highway. Mind you, the Mayor does a good job of that too. Should they not just peacefully protest?" There is no such thing as peaceful protest any more. All protest movements attract people who just want to cause trouble. You could start a movement with the very best of intentions, but as soon as you take to the streets you lose control and the rabble get involved snd start causing trouble. Xr has no leadership, no strategy, and no control over the rabble that they have attracted. Pity. | |||
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"They are trying to raise awareness. I know they piss people off. But they do see this as an absolute crisis. Which I believe too. I agree with them. When I see people moaning that they couldn't get to work. My first thought is. You/your kids, won't have a work to get to in the future. I applaud them. But personally I think we're doomed. Nobody gives a shit. I have a job where I work with all types of people. Loads of different people. Nobody knows how to recycle properly. Nobody!. They all fly to holiday destinations. Drive for fun. Buy endless clothes. Waste food. Eat meat. The world is doomed. So while I applaud them. Nobody cares about their message. Because if people cared. They'd stop moaning about them and do something. Anything. " How about doing something positive and constructive to highlight their cause? Instead of disruptive, negative tactics, wasting police resources, damaging property and pissing off the general public? It’s a pretty mindless way of doing things in this day and age. | |||
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"They are trying to raise awareness. I know they piss people off. But they do see this as an absolute crisis. Which I believe too. I agree with them. When I see people moaning that they couldn't get to work. My first thought is. You/your kids, won't have a work to get to in the future. I applaud them. But personally I think we're doomed. Nobody gives a shit. I have a job where I work with all types of people. Loads of different people. Nobody knows how to recycle properly. Nobody!. They all fly to holiday destinations. Drive for fun. Buy endless clothes. Waste food. Eat meat. The world is doomed. So while I applaud them. Nobody cares about their message. Because if people cared. They'd stop moaning about them and do something. Anything. How about doing something positive and constructive to highlight their cause? Instead of disruptive, negative tactics, wasting police resources, damaging property and pissing off the general public? It’s a pretty mindless way of doing things in this day and age. " What are your great ideas? | |||
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"Extinction Rebellion can protest as much as they like but the increasing violence only alienates the people they want to get onside. Greta Thunberg has actually made more of an impact on the politicians in a short space of time than all the ER protests that have ever happened " I completely agree. Raising awareness and getting attention does not have to be based around violence, interruption, vandalism etc. And movements lose focus when they take to the streets as other causes / Movements latch themselves on and piggyback the protests. | |||
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"They are trying to raise awareness. I know they piss people off. But they do see this as an absolute crisis. Which I believe too. I agree with them. When I see people moaning that they couldn't get to work. My first thought is. You/your kids, won't have a work to get to in the future. I applaud them. But personally I think we're doomed. Nobody gives a shit. I have a job where I work with all types of people. Loads of different people. Nobody knows how to recycle properly. Nobody!. They all fly to holiday destinations. Drive for fun. Buy endless clothes. Waste food. Eat meat. The world is doomed. So while I applaud them. Nobody cares about their message. Because if people cared. They'd stop moaning about them and do something. Anything. How about doing something positive and constructive to highlight their cause? Instead of disruptive, negative tactics, wasting police resources, damaging property and pissing off the general public? It’s a pretty mindless way of doing things in this day and age. What are your great ideas?" Positive actions, information campaigns, debate, engaging positively with community and getting people to support rather than blocking their route to work. Greta has gained more traction than all of these protesters put together | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. " TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. | |||
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"Doomed lol there wankers and all the flakes are divs , this world will be here for million of years yet , calm yourselves , ben " This is a tricky one. Yes the planet will be here in millions of years but what sort of life will be left on it. Global warming is definitely a thing, give it another hundred years and our local climate will be more like Spain. Sounds great unless you live near the equator which will be almost inhabitable. We've damaged this world and we need to do something quickly to try and at least stall what we've already done. | |||
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"What are extension rebellion protesting against? Extension cables? Conservatories? Loft conversions? I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them and end up with some crusties glued to the side of the shed. " You might - and they will be swinging extension leads. If however, you are wondering about EXTINCTION REBELLION as I mentioned earlier in the thread as their correct name, you might find there will be young and old alike very attached to their mission | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. " Very well put - thank you. | |||
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"Doomed lol there wankers and all the flakes are divs , this world will be here for million of years yet , calm yourselves , ben This is a tricky one. Yes the planet will be here in millions of years but what sort of life will be left on it. Global warming is definitely a thing, give it another hundred years and our local climate will be more like Spain. Sounds great unless you live near the equator which will be almost inhabitable. We've damaged this world and we need to do something quickly to try and at least stall what we've already done. " | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. " ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame " I think if they"had ruined it all" bu their protests they would have long been gone and nobody would talk about them. They are achieving what they have set out to do, initially by getting the attention and raising the awareness, a bit like Greenpeace did when it first started. Rome was not built in a day, so there is a long road ahead and XR, Greta, David Attenborough and Greenpeace to name but some are all doing their bit. And that is not even mentioning the countless small local projects that are trying to preserve biodiversity, get away from plastic use that ends in our oceans etc. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos ??" Lobbying, publicity, information-sharing etc are all more effective than street protests. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos ??" Absolutely. | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame " How would you prefer they raise awareness to bring about the kind of expedient change needed? | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos ??" ut of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame I think if they"had ruined it all" bu their protests they would have long been gone and nobody would talk about them. They are achieving what they have set out to do, initially by getting the attention and raising the awareness, a bit like Greenpeace did when it first started. Rome was not built in a day, so there is a long road ahead and XR, Greta, David Attenborough and Greenpeace to name but some are all doing their bit. And that is not even mentioning the countless small local projects that are trying to preserve biodiversity, get away from plastic use that ends in our oceans etc." Causing trouble and then claiming that it has been a success purely because trouble has been caused is poor logic. Causing more trouble and damage would be an even greater success presumably? The language that is used by protesters, justifying violence, vandalism and criminality, is self-serving, and self-absolving. I listen to Attenborough, I do what j can in my own life, have made changes, but I can’t have anything to do with xr as a movement as they are leaderless, rudderless, out of control, and I hate their tactics. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos ?? ut of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? " Am example for effective lobbying would be Bono getting world leaders to write off billions of third world debt. Engage with leaders and governments and try to influence policy in a positive way rather than causing chaos on the streets. | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame I think if they"had ruined it all" bu their protests they would have long been gone and nobody would talk about them. They are achieving what they have set out to do, initially by getting the attention and raising the awareness, a bit like Greenpeace did when it first started. Rome was not built in a day, so there is a long road ahead and XR, Greta, David Attenborough and Greenpeace to name but some are all doing their bit. And that is not even mentioning the countless small local projects that are trying to preserve biodiversity, get away from plastic use that ends in our oceans etc. Causing trouble and then claiming that it has been a success purely because trouble has been caused is poor logic. Causing more trouble and damage would be an even greater success presumably? The language that is used by protesters, justifying violence, vandalism and criminality, is self-serving, and self-absolving. I listen to Attenborough, I do what j can in my own life, have made changes, but I can’t have anything to do with xr as a movement as they are leaderless, rudderless, out of control, and I hate their tactics. " How would you prefer they raise awareness to bring about the kind of expedient change needed?  | |||
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"They are having a lovely time, prancing around London with their pals, mostly rich kids who dont actually have to go to work for a living, grafting like the rest of us to put food on the table or pay the bills. I was working full time at 15..... they most probably have never worked a day in their lives. Or been made unemployed and will never get another decent job. No such thing as "Global warming" or "Climate Change" but I do agree with reducing pollution. "Wow - what a huge steaming pile of horse shit. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos ?? Lobbying, publicity, information-sharing etc are all more effective than street protests. " Oh they do that too.. They have a very engaged membership.. A complete slice across society I think their street protests are tremendously effective and impactful in raising awareness and getting people talking about who are ER and what are they about, why should we care and how can we get involved | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame How would you prefer they raise awareness to bring about the kind of expedient change needed?" Articles, debates, info sessions, lectures, fliers, leaflets, Attenborough, Greta, positive local initiatives ... That’s just a few ideas, and I’m sure that people who do this sort of thing for a living can come up with a much better list. All better than the embarrassing spectacle of some idiot gluing themselves to a building or a train, and all initiatives that don’t inconvenience people and turn them against the movement. | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame I think if they"had ruined it all" bu their protests they would have long been gone and nobody would talk about them. They are achieving what they have set out to do, initially by getting the attention and raising the awareness, a bit like Greenpeace did when it first started. Rome was not built in a day, so there is a long road ahead and XR, Greta, David Attenborough and Greenpeace to name but some are all doing their bit. And that is not even mentioning the countless small local projects that are trying to preserve biodiversity, get away from plastic use that ends in our oceans etc. Causing trouble and then claiming that it has been a success purely because trouble has been caused is poor logic. Causing more trouble and damage would be an even greater success presumably? The language that is used by protesters, justifying violence, vandalism and criminality, is self-serving, and self-absolving. I listen to Attenborough, I do what j can in my own life, have made changes, but I can’t have anything to do with xr as a movement as they are leaderless, rudderless, out of control, and I hate their tactics. " I completely respect your view, I honestly do but... you did say earlier "Xr has no leadership, no strategy, and no control over the rabble that they have attracted. Pity". So either they do have leadership and strategy or they do not? I applaud btw, not being sarcastic, that you state you are doing what you can in your own environment. If everybody did we would already be that much better off. | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame How would you prefer they raise awareness to bring about the kind of expedient change needed? Articles, debates, info sessions, lectures, fliers, leaflets, Attenborough, Greta, positive local initiatives ... That’s just a few ideas, and I’m sure that people who do this sort of thing for a living can come up with a much better list. All better than the embarrassing spectacle of some idiot gluing themselves to a building or a train, and all initiatives that don’t inconvenience people and turn them against the movement. " I would have expected someone so interested and vocal on this subject to be more aware that XR members are already very actively pursuing all of those avenues and more. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos ?? Lobbying, publicity, information-sharing etc are all more effective than street protests. Oh they do that too.. They have a very engaged membership.. A complete slice across society I think their street protests are tremendously effective and impactful in raising awareness and getting people talking about who are ER and what are they about, why should we care and how can we get involved" If it works for you, fine. For me, the street protests do a disservice to a well-meaning group and an important cause. I have zero time for such out-dated and tired tactics. The latest protests in London, every single person i know who was affected spoke about it as “not that lot again”. | |||
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"They are the guys and gals who (whether you agree with their method of delivery or not) are trying to raise awareness of the time bomb we are sitting on e.g. global worming, climate change, environmental pollution etc. They are prepared to pay fines and go to prison for their convictions and for trying to save their and YOUR planet. I am not supporting them but before anybody wants to ridicule them, perhaps talk to one of them and find out a bit more. "The planet doesn't need saving. Who they are really trying to save, is them. | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame How would you prefer they raise awareness to bring about the kind of expedient change needed? Articles, debates, info sessions, lectures, fliers, leaflets, Attenborough, Greta, positive local initiatives ... That’s just a few ideas, and I’m sure that people who do this sort of thing for a living can come up with a much better list. All better than the embarrassing spectacle of some idiot gluing themselves to a building or a train, and all initiatives that don’t inconvenience people and turn them against the movement. I would have expected someone so interested and vocal on this subject to be more aware that XR members are already very actively pursuing all of those avenues and more." What I am saying is to focus all energies on controlled focus positive actions and ditch the violence and vandalism. I would be far more interested in being involved with xr or supporting them if they ditched the street stuff. As it is, there is no way I would go near one of their events. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? " Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience  | |||
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"If they cut out the nuisance tactics and actually started doing something positive instead of just trying to fuck things up for people getting on with their day, they might get a bit more support. But right now they have wrecked the image of protest about climate change. TBF, a large proportion of XR members are indeed engaged upon non-protest activities aimed at improving the environment, and have been for some time. Many spend their spare time as volunteers cleaning roadsides, watercourses, beaches, etc of litter. Many volunteer to support our social services, despite having full time jobs already. Many work hard on developing and promoting more sustainable technologies such as renewables and low-load alternatives. Many also are those developing more sustainable economics which most people never even hear about - eg 'circular economy'. These are all things from which we and our kids will benefit. They are very motivated and dedicated, and tend to back their words up with their actions in their own lives and work. The vast majority of XR protesters are quite highly educated and are not there just to cause trouble - rather, they have looked at what's happening and seen that things MUST change NOW in a world where that change won't be accepted by people unless it is virtually forced upon them... nuicance tactics can be reasonable in such extremis. ... and then they go and ruin it all by having these so-called protests. Shame I think if they"had ruined it all" bu their protests they would have long been gone and nobody would talk about them. They are achieving what they have set out to do, initially by getting the attention and raising the awareness, a bit like Greenpeace did when it first started. Rome was not built in a day, so there is a long road ahead and XR, Greta, David Attenborough and Greenpeace to name but some are all doing their bit. And that is not even mentioning the countless small local projects that are trying to preserve biodiversity, get away from plastic use that ends in our oceans etc. Causing trouble and then claiming that it has been a success purely because trouble has been caused is poor logic. Causing more trouble and damage would be an even greater success presumably? The language that is used by protesters, justifying violence, vandalism and criminality, is self-serving, and self-absolving. I listen to Attenborough, I do what j can in my own life, have made changes, but I can’t have anything to do with xr as a movement as they are leaderless, rudderless, out of control, and I hate their tactics. I completely respect your view, I honestly do but... you did say earlier "Xr has no leadership, no strategy, and no control over the rabble that they have attracted. Pity". So either they do have leadership and strategy or they do not? I applaud btw, not being sarcastic, that you state you are doing what you can in your own environment. If everybody did we would already be that much better off. "Thanks for the note. Yes, I feel that xr do not have effective leadership, and there is no focus on message, scope etc, as is evidenced but the fringe groups that attach themselves to their protests. Street protests, where anyone can turn up and about their own message, dilute the clarity of the message and embarrass the movement . | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience "Thank you - so they did not really inconvenience anybody and while raising awareness, they managed to keep an acceptable profile - just as I thought and have witnessed myself. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience "That was one event. In other events, almost 500 protestors have been arrested. What a sad and disgraceful waste of our scarce police resources. Xr should be ashamed of themselves | |||
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"I think the main problem is that a group like Extinction Rebellion are going about things the wrong way, unless the governments act quickly and the major pipeline holding conglomerates accept they have to make money some other way, then no acts of stopping traffic, blocking pedestrians and governments buildings will have any effect other than a custodian sentence for the members of Extinction Rebellion. Greats Thunberg is doing a good enough job at 18 to make the governments stop and think and she uses words above action that cause harm.I agree with you, there are probably better ways to try and achieve their objectives. ER would argue, in fact they do argue this way, that in order to be heard they need to be a bit more drastic. I went to a couple of their meetings a couple of years ago because I wanted to find out more. I didnt want to be part of a group dismissing them without having ever spoken or listened to them. From what I could see there was a wide cross section of society; intelligent people who were prepared to accept personal sacrifice like imprisonment, a criminal record and fines to fight for something they saw worthy of fighting for. They are trying to achieve their objective through civil disobedience. Not violence, just disobedience. That said, for me some of the action was a step too far even though I had a lot of admiration for them and for the sacrifices they were prepared to make. So they’re criminals then…..With a conscience. No, they are certainly not "criminals" anymore than anybody else who goes out to protest. This would be a way too polarised black/white view of the work they are doing, the actions they are taking. Interestingly, a lot of policemen struggled with having to arrest some of them because deep in their hearts they were thinking about their own children and the world we are leaving to them to sort out. Do they cause problems? You bet they do. They make people late for work, they paint a few buildings (with paint that washes off so no permanent damage done) and they are definitely an inconvenience but... they are not doing it out of mischief. They are doing it to be heard. Whether or not that is the best way, I do genuinely not know. I also know that sitting back and doing armchair debates on what we "should be doing" to save the planet are even less effective." And the police are having to be there to watch them, meanwhile, granny's doors been kicked off and all her savings have been pulled out of her wardrobe because she doesn't trust banks, 23 people have been robbed or stabbed and the emergency lines are getting further and further backed up with people unable to get help. | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience Thank you - so they did not really inconvenience anybody and while raising awareness, they managed to keep an acceptable profile - just as I thought and have witnessed myself. "That’s one event. They should get a medal for behaving themselves for one event, should they? Meanwhile , 500 arrests for other acts | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience
That was one event. In other events, almost 500 protestors have been arrested. What a sad and disgraceful waste of our scarce police resources. Xr should be ashamed of themselves "Gosh i mean we could compare it to football if we are going to start on wasting police resources But i agree in principle that people pushing their own frustrations and agendas and deliberately enciting violence and vandalism have no place at protests... But then i wonder are they actually truly extinction Rebellion supporters.. Or just troublesome louts either looking for a convenient cause or deliberately trying to undermine the movement?? I love that you are doing all you can personally... I needs us all to take personal responsibility to succeed... I am vegan, try to minimise use of my car by walking 10km a day to the shops /gym or cycling, grow my own and recycle.... Reliance on gas heating and pet food are my next challenges according to the environmental calculator | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience
That was one event. In other events, almost 500 protestors have been arrested. What a sad and disgraceful waste of our scarce police resources. Xr should be ashamed of themselves
Gosh i mean we could compare it to football if we are going to start on wasting police resources
But i agree in principle that people pushing their own frustrations and agendas and deliberately enciting violence and vandalism have no place at protests... But then i wonder are they actually truly extinction Rebellion supporters.. Or just troublesome louts either looking for a convenient cause or deliberately trying to undermine the movement??
I love that you are doing all you can personally... I needs us all to take personal responsibility to succeed... I am vegan, try to minimise use of my car by walking 10km a day to the shops /gym or cycling, grow my own and recycle.... Reliance on gas heating and pet food are my next challenges according to the environmental calculator "Trouble-makers piggy-backing the street protest movement: I completely agree. That is why it is better to have a more controlled and managed movement, where trouble-makers can be excluded. The fact that xr haven’t done that speaks volumes. They disown the worst of the troublemakers in statements, but not in actions. Secretly, they clearly condone their activities, feeling that all publicity is good publicity. It isn’t | |||
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"I think they are amazing.. I stand in awe of people prepared to take action and stand up and be counted.. I'd love to join one of their protests They were targetting Barclays this week in my town centre, raising awareness Barclays are Europe's biggest financer of fossil fuels and have paid over £104bn towards fossil fuels since the Paris agreement. The Extinction Rebellion are highlighting their continued contribution to climate chaos Out of interest, did they stop anybody from going about their business? What did their "lobbying" look like - I am curious because I think the term may be misunderstood as different from their ordinary protests. As far as I have seen they use similar tactics wherever they go? Oh sure.. So they arranged themselves in a socially distanced 'line'.. They had one 'somber' drum to accompany the procession.. And they moved in silence. Some carried banners + placards, but they didn't obstruct or annoy anyone The public were able to go through the procession and indeed they regularly cut through it to get to shops Nobody was stopped, intimidated or prevented from doing whatever they were there to do. There was no chanting or shouting. The drum was very minimal (deep and low) They streamed it live via fb and provided a commentary on line for the audience
That was one event. In other events, almost 500 protestors have been arrested. What a sad and disgraceful waste of our scarce police resources. Xr should be ashamed of themselves
Gosh i mean we could compare it to football if we are going to start on wasting police resources
But i agree in principle that people pushing their own frustrations and agendas and deliberately enciting violence and vandalism have no place at protests... But then i wonder are they actually truly extinction Rebellion supporters.. Or just troublesome louts either looking for a convenient cause or deliberately trying to undermine the movement??
I love that you are doing all you can personally... I needs us all to take personal responsibility to succeed... I am vegan, try to minimise use of my car by walking 10km a day to the shops /gym or cycling, grow my own and recycle.... Reliance on gas heating and pet food are my next challenges according to the environmental calculator
Trouble-makers piggy-backing the street protest movement: I completely agree.
That is why it is better to have a more controlled and managed movement, where trouble-makers can be excluded.
The fact that xr haven’t done that speaks volumes. They disown the worst of the troublemakers in statements, but not in actions. Secretly, they clearly condone their activities, feeling that all publicity is good publicity. It isn’t "Perhaps, i am not close enough to them to know | |||
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"They are trying to raise awareness. I know they piss people off. But they do see this as an absolute crisis. Which I believe too. I agree with them. When I see people moaning that they couldn't get to work. My first thought is. You/your kids, won't have a work to get to in the future. I applaud them. But personally I think we're doomed. Nobody gives a shit. I have a job where I work with all types of people. Loads of different people. Nobody knows how to recycle properly. Nobody!. They all fly to holiday destinations. Drive for fun. Buy endless clothes. Waste food. Eat meat. The world is doomed. So while I applaud them. Nobody cares about their message. Because if people cared. They'd stop moaning about them and do something. Anything. How about doing something positive and constructive to highlight their cause? Instead of disruptive, negative tactics, wasting police resources, damaging property and pissing off the general public? It’s a pretty mindless way of doing things in this day and age. What are your great ideas? Positive actions, information campaigns, debate, engaging positively with community and getting people to support rather than blocking their route to work. Greta has gained more traction than all of these protesters put together " Well that's all very general. Be specific | |||
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"They are protesting but who is listening ?" Is this the group that's against all permitted developments in our neighbourhood? | |||
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